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Religions > Atheism |
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"dogna" |
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18 Dec 2004 05:37:36 AM |
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common wealth |
Why not simply re-build/re-define any/every known economic system into a
commonwealth...?
What is a commonwealth?
A society where one commonality is that all are as wealthy as they want
to be...for free.
How?
Flood the free market with free money for all.
All will be wealthy. All will have something in common. All will be
vested in freedom, with free money for all. All will be given
opportunity to prosper/grow...all for free.
War for profit will end.
Poverty for profit will end.
Crime for profit will end.
Disease for profit will end.
The free money free market economy will prosper. Everyone will have a
job. Everyone will work at doing what they love/want/need/desire/choose
to do...all for free.
Even bean counting control freaks will be able to count their count of
beans, earning as much green paper as each bean counter wants...for free.
Politicians can still politic all they want...all for free.
Religionists can still preach all they want...all for free.
Fraternalists can still lie all they want.....all for free.
Criminals can still steal all they want.......all for free.
Any questions about/regarding the commonwealth...?
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| User: "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton?" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
18 Dec 2004 05:55:54 PM |
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"dogna" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41C41680.30002@ak.net...
Why not simply re-build/re-define any/every known economic system into a
commonwealth...?
What is a commonwealth?
A society where one commonality is that all are as wealthy as they want
to be...for free.
How?
Flood the free market with free money for all.
All will be wealthy. All will have something in common. All will be
vested in freedom, with free money for all. All will be given
opportunity to prosper/grow...all for free.
War for profit will end.
Poverty for profit will end.
Crime for profit will end.
Disease for profit will end.
The free money free market economy will prosper. Everyone will have a
job. Everyone will work at doing what they love/want/need/desire/choose
to do...all for free.
Even bean counting control freaks will be able to count their count of
beans, earning as much green paper as each bean counter wants...for free.
Politicians can still politic all they want...all for free.
Religionists can still preach all they want...all for free.
Fraternalists can still lie all they want.....all for free.
Criminals can still steal all they want.......all for free.
Any questions about/regarding the commonwealth...?
You didn't do very well in economics class did you?
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 10:26:03 AM |
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Why not simply re-build/re-define any/every known economic system into
a
commonwealth...?
What is a commonwealth?
A society where one commonality is that all are as wealthy as they
want
to be...for free.
Really? The British Commonwealth includes the entire Anglo-Saxon world
except the United States, plus more former members of the Empire.
Australians go through the same economic process as Americans.
I suspect you ought to rethink your ideas.
~Iain
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| User: "Alex fisher" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 11:20:43 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:26, Iain wrote:
Why not simply re-build/re-define any/every known economic system into
a
commonwealth...?
What is a commonwealth?
A society where one commonality is that all are as wealthy as they
want
to be...for free.
Really? The British Commonwealth includes the entire Anglo-Saxon world
except the United States, plus more former members of the Empire.
Australians go through the same economic process as Americans.
I suspect you ought to rethink your ideas.
~Iain
I guess this is as good a time as any to point out that the "-wealth" part of
"commonwealth" as nothing to do with "Wealth" in the sense of assets,
possessions and/or money. It is in fact an archaic word meaning "welfare;
prosperity; good" according to Websters online.A commonwealth exists to further
"The common weal", or to put it into slightly more modern English, "...the
common good." or "...the common welfare". (In fact, "welfare" comes from the
same root - [OE. welthe, from wele; cf. D. weelde].
Once again the original poster (most likely dogna, I didn't dee any of his posts
since he resides in my twit filter) shows that he has no idea of what he's
dribbling about.
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Alex Fisher MM
Lodge Caledonian No. 14
United Grand Lodge of Queensland
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| User: "David Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
28 Dec 2004 11:26:41 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2004 08:26:03 -0800, "Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> typed
furiously:
Why not simply re-build/re-define any/every known economic system into
a
commonwealth...?
What is a commonwealth?
A society where one commonality is that all are as wealthy as they
want
to be...for free.
Really? The British Commonwealth includes the entire Anglo-Saxon world
except the United States, plus more former members of the Empire.
Australians go through the same economic process as Americans.
I suspect you ought to rethink your ideas.
~Iain
What do you mean "rethink"? He hasn't thought anything yet.
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Regards
David Simpson (Remove "farook" to reply)
(Unattached MM)
Bad manners should not be a capital crime ...
for a first offence.
Paraphrasing Robert Heinlein,
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
18 Dec 2004 07:25:49 AM |
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In our last episode <41C41680.30002@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the bushes
shouting:
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
18 Dec 2004 01:02:10 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C41680.30002@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the bushes
shouting:
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Marcus Collie" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
18 Dec 2004 01:23:16 PM |
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"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the first
paragraph "What is money".
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
I am rich on this island, and can barter with the other inhabitants to do my
bidding as I can supply them with the things they require (ie coconuts).
Next week a ship sinks a mile offshore, with it's cargo of coconuts washing
to shore.
There are enough coconuts for everyone to survive for the rest of their
lives, without needing my tree.
I no longer hold importance on this island.
That is the effect of inflation - just look at Turkey, WWII Germany and
Poland to see it's effects for real
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
19 Dec 2004 12:12:29 PM |
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Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the first
paragraph "What is money".
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
what did you do in order to originally possess (own) the coconut tree
did you create it...or kill for it (get my point?)
before you "owned" it...what was the barter instrument by which you acquired it
and how did you acquire the barter instruments to acquire it?
I am rich on this island, and can barter with the other inhabitants to do my
bidding as I can supply them with the things they require (ie coconuts).
Next week a ship sinks a mile offshore, with it's cargo of coconuts washing
to shore.
There are enough coconuts for everyone to survive for the rest of their
lives, without needing my tree.
I no longer hold importance on this island.
and well deserved
because you're most likely a selfish and greedy piece of *****
That is the effect of inflation - just look at Turkey, WWII Germany and
Poland to see it's effects for real
Poland's downfall was orchestrated by Germany by intention
your point is?
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| User: "dogna" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
19 Dec 2004 10:36:54 PM |
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Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the first
paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
What/who gives you the right to own an in-common need?
I am rich on this island, and can barter with the other inhabitants to do my
bidding as I can supply them with the things they require (ie coconuts).
What/who made you God?
Next week a ship sinks a mile offshore, with it's cargo of coconuts washing
to shore.
There are enough coconuts for everyone to survive for the rest of their
lives, without needing my tree.
You should consider yourself lucky not to pelted to death with free
coconuts after your greed-based monopolistic coconut cartel was broken.
I no longer hold importance on this island.
Do you have an ego problem? The only importance you had was based in/on
your greed/fear/control issues.
That is the effect of inflation - just look at Turkey, WWII Germany and
Poland to see it's effects for real
Lovers of money thinking nothing of destroying entire civilizations.
Quite a model you got going there.
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| User: "justice-for-all" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
19 Dec 2004 10:40:25 PM |
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dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the
first
paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food
available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
What/who gives you the right to own an in-common need?
I am rich on this island, and can barter with the other inhabitants
to do my
bidding as I can supply them with the things they require (ie
coconuts).
What/who made you God?
Next week a ship sinks a mile offshore, with it's cargo of coconuts
washing
to shore.
There are enough coconuts for everyone to survive for the rest of
their
lives, without needing my tree.
You should consider yourself lucky not to pelted to death with free
coconuts after your greed-based monopolistic coconut cartel was
broken.
I no longer hold importance on this island.
Do you have an ego problem? The only importance you had was based
in/on
your greed/fear/control issues.
That is the effect of inflation - just look at Turkey, WWII Germany
and
Poland to see it's effects for real
Lovers of money thinking nothing of destroying entire civilizations.
Quite a model you got going there.
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 03:18:16 AM |
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dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the first
paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree?
would you wage war against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
What/who gives you the right to own an in-common need?
I am rich on this island, and can barter with the other inhabitants to do my
bidding as I can supply them with the things they require (ie coconuts).
What/who made you God?
Next week a ship sinks a mile offshore, with it's cargo of coconuts washing
to shore.
There are enough coconuts for everyone to survive for the rest of their
lives, without needing my tree.
You should consider yourself lucky not to pelted to death with free
coconuts after your greed-based monopolistic coconut cartel was broken.
I no longer hold importance on this island.
Do you have an ego problem? The only importance you had was based in/on
your greed/fear/control issues.
That is the effect of inflation - just look at Turkey, WWII Germany and
Poland to see it's effects for real
Lovers of money thinking nothing of destroying entire civilizations.
Quite a model you got going there.
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| User: "dogna" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 12:45:48 AM |
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Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can find.
You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of the first
paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island.
I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree?
would you wage war against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 07:02:22 AM |
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In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of
the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island. I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war against
them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 02:32:46 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the systemic
failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of
the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island. I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war against
them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
20 Dec 2004 06:10:28 PM |
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In our last episode <41C736EE.4FB4DC71@undeniable.net>, Truth lept out of
the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of
the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island. I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war
against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
Why is Joe giving them away?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "dogna" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
21 Dec 2004 01:07:26 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C736EE.4FB4DC71@undeniable.net>, Truth lept out of
the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one of
the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food available.
Five other people live on the island. I own the only coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war
against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
Why is Joe giving them away?
sharing begets sharing
greed begets greed
which would you choose?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
21 Dec 2004 06:39:17 AM |
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In our last episode <41C7CBAE.3020201@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C736EE.4FB4DC71@undeniable.net>, Truth lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one
of the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food
available. Five other people live on the island. I own the only
coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war
against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
Why is Joe giving them away?
sharing begets sharing
greed begets greed
which would you choose?
I'm afraid I am unmoved. Particularly by trite slogans. Sorry, I'm firmly
in Dawkins' camp. Life is selfish. All life. All human acts are selfish,
sharing and altruism included. We are the descendants of people who asked
"what's in it for me?" The others died. Without offspring.
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with individual
interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do so will fail.
Often quite violently.
You want people to be "unselfish," you have to set things up so its in
their best interests to do so...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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22 Dec 2004 12:05:45 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C7CBAE.3020201@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C736EE.4FB4DC71@undeniable.net>, Truth lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you can
find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section one
of the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food
available. Five other people live on the island. I own the only
coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war
against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
Why is Joe giving them away?
sharing begets sharing
greed begets greed
which would you choose?
I'm afraid I am unmoved. Particularly by trite slogans. Sorry, I'm firmly
in Dawkins' camp. Life is selfish. All life. All human acts are selfish,
sharing and altruism included. We are the descendants of people who asked
"what's in it for me?" The others died. Without offspring.
Sorry to read that you have such a poor/bleak outlook on life and what
it means to be alive. I would suggest you ask yourself a question. Ask,
what can "I" do that would help break this bleak outlook "I" find myself
defending? In other words, what can YOU do that might help YOU get a
fresher, more positive perspective that can be applied to YOUR life? Why
not identify what has caused YOU to feel this way regarding YOUR life?
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been taught?
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with individual
interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do so will fail.
Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being more
important than societal[collective] interests. When societal interests
become more important than individual freedoms, said societies die,
often violently.
You want people to be "unselfish," you have to set things up so its in
their best interests to do so...
I agree. A good/fair/just way to accomplish this I believe, is to
abolish the power of money in order to promote unselfishness while at
the same time enhancing freedom for the individual which will, as a
natural by-product, enhance collective/societal freedom[s] as well.
A friendly hint offered...The answers you seek are all based in freedom
FROM monied evil.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Dec 2004 07:40:02 AM |
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In our last episode <41C90EB9.3060600@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C7CBAE.3020201@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C736EE.4FB4DC71@undeniable.net>, Truth lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41C6751C.9080406@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Truth wrote:
dogna wrote:
Marcus Collie wrote:
"Truth" <Truth@undeniable.net> wrote in message
news:41C47EB2.EC865C2@undeniable.net...
Flood the free market with free money for all.
That's been tried. And every nation that's tried it
collapsed...
please elaborate when it was tried
by what country
and why did it collapse?...outside intervention?...or by the
systemic failure?
Please go and read the most simplistic economics text book you
can find. You will find the answer there. Normally under section
one of the first paragraph "What is money".
Money is a tool to sell monied evil, monied crime, monied poverty,
monied war, monied lies, monied greed, monied sin, etc...
To give you a simplified version:
I live on an island.
Coconuts are valuable as they are the only source of food
available. Five other people live on the island. I own the only
coconut tree.
what would happen
if someone else had their own coconut tree? would you wage war
against them
and attempt to destroy their coconut tree?
or would you make an alliance
to standardize how many fig leafs equal one coconut
Excellent idea.
To take the idea one step further, why not make an alliance with all
coconut growers to ensure that all coconuts would remain free for
all?
Why would they go along with it?
ask yourself another question
why pay for someone's coconut
when Joe Blow is giving them out for free
Why is Joe giving them away?
sharing begets sharing
greed begets greed
which would you choose?
I'm afraid I am unmoved. Particularly by trite slogans. Sorry, I'm
firmly in Dawkins' camp. Life is selfish. All life. All human acts are
selfish, sharing and altruism included. We are the descendants of people
who asked "what's in it for me?" The others died. Without offspring.
Sorry to read that you have such a poor/bleak outlook on life and what it
means to be alive.
Who says I do? Besides, "feelings" are irrelevant. Reality is what it is.
I would suggest you ask yourself a question. Ask, what
can "I" do that would help break this bleak outlook "I" find myself
defending? In other words, what can YOU do that might help YOU get a
fresher, more positive perspective that can be applied to YOUR life? Why
not identify what has caused YOU to feel this way regarding YOUR life?
What caused me to "feel this way" is something we call "science." Heard of
it? Try "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins.
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You're missing what I'm saying. It's *not a learned trait. It's how life
works. All life.
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with individual
interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do so will fail.
Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being more
important than societal[collective] interests. When societal interests
become more important than individual freedoms, said societies die, often
violently.
You're contradicting yourself.
You want people to be "unselfish," you have to set things up so its in
their best interests to do so...
I agree. A good/fair/just way to accomplish this I believe, is to abolish
the power of money in order to promote unselfishness while at the same
time enhancing freedom for the individual which will, as a natural
by-product, enhance collective/societal freedom[s] as well.
A friendly hint offered...The answers you seek are all based in freedom
FROM monied evil.
You can't reconcile "unselfishness" and "freedom for the individual." That
makes no *sense. Individualism *is selfish...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
22 Dec 2004 02:34:20 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:40:02 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <41C90EB9.3060600@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41C7CBAE.3020201@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
[]
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with individual
interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do so will fail.
Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being more
important than societal[collective] interests. When societal interests
become more important than individual freedoms, said societies die, often
violently.
You're contradicting yourself.
Dogma has that tendency.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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22 Dec 2004 12:49:32 AM |
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dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years pass before
they begin to learn to share and years more before they *may* learn to do so
in an unselfish manner.
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with
individual interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do
so will fail. Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being more
important than societal[collective] interests. When societal interests
become more important than individual freedoms, said societies die,
often violently.
But no society based even on part of your ideas have ever been successful.
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| User: "dogna" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
22 Dec 2004 01:48:48 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years pass before
they begin to learn to share and years more before they *may* learn to do so
in an unselfish manner.
Nonsense. Children are taught/conditioned to exhibit/choose bad behavior
by/through societal [so-called]norms/standards/practices. The culprit
when traced to the root, is monied life/death and all ITs trappings that
direct children to become selfish adults.
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with
individual interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do
so will fail. Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being more
important than societal[collective] interests. When societal interests
become more important than individual freedoms, said societies die,
often violently.
But no society based even on part of your ideas have ever been successful.
And this is reason to accept monied social ills that brainwash
children/adults to be blind/obedient automatons/drones to monied evil?
The reason I believe freedom FROM monied evil has not worked worldwide
in the past is because monied evil has a vested interest in
keeping/maintaining monied control and will use any/all forms of
violence against humanity in order to retain said control.
I say its time to break the monied cartel intent on destroying humanity.
How?
Stop buying what monied evil sells.
Start with abolishing usury.
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
d
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Dec 2004 07:45:00 AM |
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In our last episode <41C926E0.3020709@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years pass
before they begin to learn to share and years more before they *may*
learn to do so in an unselfish manner.
Nonsense. Children are taught/conditioned to exhibit/choose bad behavior
by/through societal [so-called]norms/standards/practices. The culprit when
traced to the root, is monied life/death and all ITs trappings that direct
children to become selfish adults.
You have *obviously never helped raise nor spent any real time around
small children. They are utterly self-centered and self-involved. It takes
work to channel that into socially acceptable behavior. And you can't if
you don't work to show them its in their SELF interest to "behave."
If you think humans are not innately selfish, you have NEVER spent the
afternoon with a two year old...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
22 Dec 2004 02:32:56 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:45:00 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <41C926E0.3020709@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the
bushes shouting:
Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years pass
before they begin to learn to share and years more before they *may*
learn to do so in an unselfish manner.
Nonsense. Children are taught/conditioned to exhibit/choose bad behavior
by/through societal [so-called]norms/standards/practices. The culprit when
traced to the root, is monied life/death and all ITs trappings that direct
children to become selfish adults.
You have *obviously never helped raise nor spent any real time around
small children. They are utterly self-centered and self-involved. It takes
work to channel that into socially acceptable behavior. And you can't if
you don't work to show them its in their SELF interest to "behave."
If you think humans are not innately selfish, you have NEVER spent the
afternoon with a two year old...
Dogma *is* a mental two year old.
Give give give and me me me.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
22 Dec 2004 03:20:39 AM |
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dogna wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years
pass before they begin to learn to share and years more before they
*may* learn to do so in an unselfish manner.
Nonsense. Children are taught/conditioned to exhibit/choose bad
behavior by/through societal [so-called]norms/standards/practices.
The culprit when traced to the root, is monied life/death and all ITs
trappings that direct children to become selfish adults.
As I said, you don't rememeber your childhood and have not spent time around
children.
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with
individual interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do
so will fail. Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being
more important than societal[collective] interests. When societal
interests become more important than individual freedoms, said
societies die, often violently.
But no society based even on part of your ideas have ever been
successful.
And this is reason to accept monied social ills that brainwash
children/adults to be blind/obedient automatons/drones to monied evil?
YOU said that a successful society embraces freedom, etc. There are not and
never have been any socitey based on even part of your idea that has been a
success.
You do the math.
The reason I believe freedom FROM monied evil has not worked worldwide
in the past is because monied evil has a vested interest in
keeping/maintaining monied control and will use any/all forms of
violence against humanity in order to retain said control.
I say its time to break the monied cartel intent on destroying
humanity.
How?
Stop buying what monied evil sells.
You admit that you don't do that and demonstrate it by posting here which
means you don't even practice that part of your ideas that you could follow.
You don't have to have a computer, pay for phone lines or internet services.
You just talk about what others should do.
Stop buying and you will soon starve to death.
Start with abolishing usury.
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
Your stop buying idea has less validity than the get rich quick schemes
shown on TV ( of course you don't own one if you believe what you say.)
They, at least, will work for a small percentage of the population.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
22 Dec 2004 07:46:37 AM |
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In our last episode <H%ayd.1726$wZ2.85@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, Mike
Painter lept out of the bushes shouting:
YOU said that a successful society embraces freedom, etc. There are not
and never have been any socitey based on even part of your idea that has
been a success.
You do the math.
I don't even know how you'd base anything on what he's saying. He's
talking out of both sides of his mouth with "unselfishness" and
"individual freedom." Individualism is selfish. How the hell do you get
these two ideas to even rest easy in the same *sentence?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "dogna" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
23 Dec 2004 02:17:46 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
dogna wrote:
Selfishness is a learned trait. Why not un-learn what you have been
taught?
You obviously do not remember your childhood or spent any time with
children.
Selfishness is something that is inherent in the child and years
pass before they begin to learn to share and years more before they
*may* learn to do so in an unselfish manner.
Nonsense. Children are taught/conditioned to exhibit/choose bad
behavior by/through societal [so-called]norms/standards/practices.
The culprit when traced to the root, is monied life/death and all ITs
trappings that direct children to become selfish adults.
As I said, you don't rememeber your childhood and have not spent time around
children.
Wrong on both assertions. Why not address what is written above?
Successful societies find ways to align social interests with
individual interests as close as possible. Societies that don't do
so will fail. Often quite violently.
Successful societies embrace freedom for the individual as being
more important than societal[collective] interests. When societal
interests become more important than individual freedoms, said
societies die, often violently.
But no society based even on part of your ideas have ever been
successful.
And this is reason to accept monied social ills that brainwash
children/adults to be blind/obedient automatons/drones to monied evil?
YOU said that a successful society embraces freedom, etc. There are not and
never have been any socitey based on even part of your idea that has been a
success.
You do the math.
Look at any indigenous society/tradition and you will find they
prospered in freedom from monied evil...before monied evil invaded and
stole what did not belong to monied evil-doer's. Simply put, monied evil
is in the business of assimilation in order to further the cause of
monied evil.
The reason I believe freedom FROM monied evil has not worked worldwide
in the past is because monied evil has a vested interest in
keeping/maintaining monied control and will use any/all forms of
violence against humanity in order to retain said control.
I say its time to break the monied cartel intent on destroying
humanity.
How?
Stop buying what monied evil sells.
You admit that you don't do that and demonstrate it by posting here which
means you don't even practice that part of your ideas that you could follow.
You don't have to have a computer, pay for phone lines or internet services.
You just talk about what others should do.
Stop buying and you will soon starve to death.
Attempting to paint me as a hypocrite is a well-worn tactic of low brow
drones who cannot/willnot address issues raised.
Yes, I am forced to purchase some things with monies that I am forced to
earn in order to pay for basic services. I would prefer to enjoy FREE
basic in-common goods/services. Wouldn't you?
We are all slaves to one degree or another to those engaged in selling
monied evil at our expense. Another question you should be asking
yourself is are you content to remain a slave to monied evil or would
you prefer freedom FROM monied evil?
Start with abolishing usury.
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
Your stop buying idea has less validity than the get rich quick schemes
shown on TV ( of course you don't own one if you believe what you say.)
They, at least, will work for a small percentage of the population.
Get rich quick schemes are nothing but desperation greed sold as growth
to/for a few desperate souls embracing greed at the expense of their
souls/freedom and is not a viable answer, as pyramid schemes often are not.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
23 Dec 2004 06:25:22 AM |
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In our last episode <41CA7F2A.20509@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the bushes
shouting:
Look at any indigenous society/tradition and you will find they prospered
Don't you even try co-opting American native traditions for your little
ideology. That really irritates the crap out of me. Not to mention I
seriously doubt you have any real understanding of tribalism...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
23 Dec 2004 02:10:44 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:25:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <41CA7F2A.20509@ak.net>, dogna lept out of the bushes
shouting:
Look at any indigenous society/tradition and you will find they prospered
Don't you even try co-opting American native traditions for your little
ideology. That really irritates the crap out of me. Not to mention I
seriously doubt you have any real understanding of tribalism...
I seriously doubt if it has an understanding of anything.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: common wealth |
23 Dec 2004 06:49:56 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:17:46 -0900, dogna <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Look at any indigenous society/tradition and you will find they
prospered in freedom from monied evil...before monied evil invaded and
stole what did not belong to monied evil-doer's. Simply put, monied evil
is in the business of assimilation in order to further the cause of
monied evil.
The do what those indigenous society/tradition does: barter for your
goods, live a subsistence life and die around 40 yrs of age of [very]
old age. If you're lucky enough to live that long, that is.
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