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"J Young" |
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17 Oct 2005 10:13:38 PM |
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Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban |
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban
Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio communities that want to ban convicted sex offenders
from living in an area now have a new enforcement tool: the right to evict
those who don't abide by the restriction.
While some states, including Minnesota and Colorado, turned away from such
laws after commissioning studies, Ohio is among 16 that have embraced the
broad approach.
Local officials were given the authority this year to evict offenders who
don't voluntarily move, a provision now being felt in Ohio courts.
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18 Oct 2005 01:18:08 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:eoqdnQSLFfFW9cneRVn-iA@giganews.com:
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban
And what the ***** does that have to do with atheism, dickwad?
Stop spamming off-topic ***** in alt.atheism, *****-for-brains.
Keep american political ***** in its newsgroups . **It's what they're
there for.**
JESUS!
ps If you find your brain, my cat wants to bury it after pissing on it.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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18 Oct 2005 08:23:54 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eoqdnQSLFfFW9cneRVn-iA@giganews.com...
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban
Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio communities that want to ban convicted sex offenders
from living in an area now have a new enforcement tool: the right to evict
those who don't abide by the restriction.
What does this have to do with homosexuality?
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| User: "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" |
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19 Oct 2005 07:51:52 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Peacenik:
"J Young" wrote...
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban
Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio communities that want to ban convicted sex
offenders from living in an area now have a new enforcement tool: the
right to evict those who don't abide by the restriction.
What does this have to do with homosexuality?
Jon/IBen's delusions?
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban |
17 Oct 2005 11:26:06 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote in message news:<eoqdnQSLFfFW9cneRVn-iA@giganews.com>...
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in Columbus.
Guess again, J Young/IBen.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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17 Oct 2005 10:49:46 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
able to support their position rationally.
Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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| User: "Harry Flynt" |
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| Title: Re: Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban |
17 Oct 2005 11:47:08 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
able to support their position rationally.
Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you could
prevent it, we all know you would.
Harry
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| User: "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" |
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19 Oct 2005 06:33:10 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Harry Flynt:
Adam H. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" wrote:
I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
Columbus.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
able to support their position rationally.
Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you
could prevent it, we all know you would.
So you think gays are pedophiles, or vice versa? Wrong. Most pedos are
straight white males, and most gays prefer adults, or at least anyone old
enough to shave.
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Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "• Ninure Saunders" |
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18 Oct 2005 07:50:59 AM |
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In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>, (Harry
Flynt) wrote:
-Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
-> wrote:
->
-> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
-> >Columbus.
-> >
-> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> >
->
-> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
-> able to support their position rationally.
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-> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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-i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you could
-prevent it, we all know you would.
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-Harry
Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false and
inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with the newstory.
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• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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My Yahoo Group
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| User: "Krustys Mom" |
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| Title: Re: Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban |
18 Oct 2005 08:23:17 PM |
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"• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in message
news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>, (Harry
Flynt) wrote:
-Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
-> wrote:
->
-> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
-> >Columbus.
-> >
-> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> >
->
-> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
-> able to support their position rationally.
->
-> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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-i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you
could
-prevent it, we all know you would.
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-Harry
Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false and
inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with the newstory.
--
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=11002
Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports
May 30, 2001
By Ken Walker
Baptist Press
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--A social researcher who has studied sexual behavior
for 24 years believes the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) has sound reasons for
maintaining its prohibition against gay scoutmasters.
A homosexual cannot automatically be considered a child molester, said
Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education in suburban
Louisville, Ky.
But with 17-24 percent of boys being abused by age 18, nearly as many as the
25 percent of girls, there is cause for concern, she said.
Since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a
group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times
greater than heterosexuals, she said.
"You're looking at a much higher rate of abuse," said Reisman, a former
university research professor who recently completed a study titled,
"Crafting Gay Children." "The Department of Justice just released data and
the rate of abuse are off the charts."
BSA's policy has been the subject of constant attacks from gay activists,
who have convinced a number of school boards to oust the Scouts from board
property.
In a story that aired Apr. 1 on CBS, "60 Minutes" also questioned its
validity. After California congressman Dana Rohrabacher called the
prohibition common sense, reporter Lesley Stahl remarked that common sense
turns out to be a myth.
According to the FBI and several clinical studies published in reputable
journals, gay men aren't more likely to sexually abuse boys, she said.
"In fact, the largest database of child molesters in the country shows that
those who molest boys are over three times more likely to be heterosexual in
their adult relationships than homosexual," she said.
But Reisman points to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S.
Department of Commerce.
It showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a
ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men. However, 6-8 million boys were abused by
age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every
gay adult.
Questioned about Reisman's claims, CBS stuck by its story.
Spokesman Kevin Tedesco said "60 Minutes" staffers spoke with leading
sources of information on child molestation, including the FBI, American
Psychological Association and several clinical researchers.
The database was assembled by psychologist Dr. Gene Able, director of the
Behavioral Sciences Institute in Atlanta, he added.
However, Reisman also cites a past study by Able to bolster her contention
that BSA has reason to fear admitting homosexuals to the scoutmaster ranks.
It found that 150 boys are abused by one male homosexual offender, compared
to 19.8 girls by heterosexual offenders.
In a study published in 1987 in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, Able
said homosexuals sexually molest young boys with an incidence five times
greater than the molestation of girls. (Calls to Able seeking further
comment were not returned.)
"We looked at the leading gay travel guide," Reisman said of her research.
"Forty-seven percent of the 139 nations they talked about identified places
to find boys. The average heterosexual travel guide is not concerned with
finding children."
Crime statistics also pose concerns. Figures released last summer by the
Justice Department reveal that adults are not the primary victims of sexual
assault, she said.
They showed that 67 percent of all reported sex abuse victims are children
and 64 percent of forcible sodomy victims are boys under 12.
Two analysts with Washington-based, pro-family organizations agree that
homosexuals pose a greater risk to boys.
Tim Daily of the Family Research Council questioned "60 Minutes" claim that
adults who molest boys can even be called heterosexual.
"I guess you determine someone's sexual orientation by their relationships,"
said Dailey, who wrote a paper on pedophilia in the fall of 1999.
"If a man is married and has sexual relations with boys, he's obviously a
combination. To say he's heterosexual is an outrage. Overall he's a
pedophile. Whether you call it omni-sexual or pan-sexual, he's
indiscriminate...in relationships."
"Who cares if a guy is married?" echoed Peter LaBarbera, senior policy
analyst for the Culture and Policy Institute, a division of Concerned Women
of America. "If he's into molesting boys, that's homosexual behavior. It's
academic nonsense to talk about these people as heterosexuals."
Editor of the monthly Lambda Report, LaBarbera has been following the
homosexual movement for a decade. He said it is disproportionately involved
in pedophilia, as shown by the large number of males among sexual abuse
victims.
"The homosexual movement is shameless," he said. "Gay activists are the ones
who are trying to bring down (the Boy Scouts), a venerated institution which
has very little to do with sexuality. They're making it seem those who are
against homosexuals are the problem."
Among the reasons Dailey cited for being concerned about the potential for
homosexual molestation of boys:
-- Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men and
significant numbers of victims are males. In 1996, the journal Adolescence
reported several studies indicate that up to one-third of all sex crimes
against children are committed against boys.
-- Even homosexual activists don't try to hide the connection with
pedophilia. In The Gay Report -- a book published back in 1979 -- authors
Karla Jay and Allen Young found that 73 percent of those surveyed had had
sexual relations with males 16 to 19 or younger.
-- A 1999 article in the Journal of Homosexuality by Helmut Graupner argued
that same-sex relations with minors should be considered a gay rights issue.
The article argued that children wouldn't necessarily be harmed by sexual
contact with adults.
This debate flared up in New Jersey when a column by Toni Meyer, senior
research analyst with the New Jersey Family Policy Council, appeared in
several newspapers around the state.
Citing Reisman's research, she wrote, "We must speak up in support of the
Boy Scouts to our community leaders and not allow them to be unfairly and
unethically pressured to go against their standards.
"To allow them to be denied the support they need or public privileges they
are entitled because of that stance would be a total disservice to, and a
potentially dangerous decision, for society and our local communities."
That brought an angry response from New York's Glennda Testone, northern
regional media manager for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
(GLAAD).
"The incorrect stereotype of the gay man as a pedophile is one that has been
medically and scientifically debunked," she said. "Heterosexual men were
responsible for 74 percent of assaults on male victims and 77 percent of
assaults on female victims, according to an American Academy of Pediatrics
study (July 1994)."
However, Meyer says those statistics only prove her point -- a small number
of the population is responsible for 26 percent of the assaults on boys.
"She overlooks there are a lot more heterosexuals than homosexuals," Meyer
told Baptist Press. "People don't understand. You have to balance these
numbers by overall population to see there's a greater incidence of abuse by
gay men."
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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18 Oct 2005 08:23:05 PM |
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In News 43559f17$0$26904$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net,, Krusty's
Mom at krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com, typed this:
"• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in
message
news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>,
(Harry Flynt) wrote:
-Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> -> wrote:
->
-> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
-> >Columbus.
-> >
-> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> >
->
-> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who
aren't -> able to support their position rationally.
->
-> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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-i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if
you could
-prevent it, we all know you would.
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-Harry
Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false and
inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with
the newstory. --
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=11002
Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports
LOL! Reisman *****.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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18 Oct 2005 11:33:14 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL5@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Zdh5f.16333$vw6.15850@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
In News 43559f17$0$26904$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net,, Krusty's
Mom at krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com, typed this:
"• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in
message
news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>,
(Harry Flynt) wrote:
-Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> -> wrote:
->
-> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
-> >Columbus.
-> >
-> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> >
->
-> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who
aren't -> able to support their position rationally.
->
-> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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-i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if
you could
-prevent it, we all know you would.
-
-Harry
Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false
and inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with
the newstory. --
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=11002
Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports
LOL! Reisman *****.
Wow you convinced me. All you had to do was say "Reisman *****" and his
entire study is discredited.
Well done.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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19 Oct 2005 06:02:42 AM |
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In News 4355cb9c$0$74666$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net,, Krusty's
Mom at krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL5@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Zdh5f.16333$vw6.15850@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
In News 43559f17$0$26904$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net,,
Krusty's Mom at krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com, typed this:
"• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in
message
news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>,
(Harry Flynt) wrote:
-Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> -> wrote:
->
-> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade"
in -> >Columbus.
-> >
-> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> >
->
-> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who
aren't -> able to support their position rationally.
->
-> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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-i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if
you could
-prevent it, we all know you would.
-
-Harry
Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's
false and inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with
the newstory. --
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=11002
Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports
LOL! Reisman *****.
Wow you convinced me.
I could care less about convincing you. Do you actually believe that
stupid Reisman ***** has never been posted before? If you want to
believe in it, go right ahead. We'll all just laugh at your stupidity.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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19 Oct 2005 02:36:00 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:33:14 -0400, "Krusty's Mom"
<krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com> wrote in message
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Wow you convinced me. All you had to do was say "Reisman *****" and his
entire study is discredited.
Well done.
That, and the fact that the author of the "study" makes the erroneous
presupposition that any male that molests a little boy is automatically a
homosexual.
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"Lesbian recruiters do kill the husbands of women they recruit. Sometimes the
recruiter and the wife does it together. They try to make it look like an
accident. Usually the fattest one falls on the man and smothers him to death."
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19 Oct 2005 07:52:19 AM |
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In article <43559f17$0$26904$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
"Krusty's Mom" <krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com> wrote:
-"• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in message
-news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
-> In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>, (Harry
-> Flynt) wrote:
->
-> -Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
-> -> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
-> -> wrote:
-> ->
-> -> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
-> -> >Columbus.
-> -> >
-> -> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
-> -> >
-> ->
-> -> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
-> -> able to support their position rationally.
-> ->
-> -> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
-> -
-> -i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you
-> could
-> -prevent it, we all know you would.
-> -
-> -Harry
->
-> Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false and
-> inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with the newstory.
-> --
-> Pax Christi,
-> • Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
-Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports
Would You Speak Wickedly For God?
Job 13:7-9
Will you speak wickedly on God's behalf?
Will you speak deceitfully for him?
Will you show him partiality?
Will you argue the case for God?
Would it turn out well if he would examine you?
Or as one deceives a man would you deceive him?
It is a shame as well as a crime against humanity that people like you
feel the need to lie, especially since your lies actually HELP peodphiles
to molest even more chilcren.
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-A review of empirical studies conducted as the University of California
(follows).
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
Historically, lynchings of Black men who were falsely accused of raping
White women have been common. And Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of
murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. In a similar
fashion, gay people are often portrayed as a threat to society's most
vulnerable members.
When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to repeal a Dade County
(FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her
organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly
deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children"
(Bryant, 1977, p. 114).
The number of Americans who believe the accusation that gay men and women
are child molesters appears to be decreasing. For example, Gallup poll
data i n 1992 indicated that 41% of Americans would allow gay
people to be elementary school teachers, compared to 27% in 1977
(Colasanto, 1989). Nevertheless, many of the remaining 59% probably
continued to accept the stereotype.
Whenever we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is
complicated by several problems. One problem involves sampling. Most
studies in this area have been conducted only with convicted perpetrators,
so they exclude child molesters who were not prosecuted or convicted. As a
result, any profile that we try to construct of child molesters may not
necessarily describe molesters who have not been caught.
A second problem concerns terminology. Sexual abuse of male children by
adult men1 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation," which implies
that the perpetrator is himself gay or has a homosexual
orientation.
Usually, however, the adjectives "homosexual" and "heterosexual" really
refer to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator, not
to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.
The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation of
perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never developed
the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men
or women. Recognizing this fact, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposedthat
discussions of the sexual attractions of perpetrators should be
conceptualized along a continuum ranging in degrees from exclusive
interest in children to exclusive interest in adult partners.
Similarly, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) categorized child molesters as either
fixated or regressed (see also Groth, Hobson, & Gary, 1982). Fixated
offenders never developed an adult sexual orientation of any sort, whereas
regressed molesters have done so. Thus, regressed molesters can be adult
homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals. But it is meaningless to speak
of fixated molesters in these terms they are attracted to children, not to
men or women.
Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
175 adult males in their sample all of whom were convicted in
Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child had an exclusively
homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified
as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult
heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult
bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their
adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as
with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their
preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually
attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).
Another researcher took a different perspective. Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed
352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen
in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children'shospital
during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30,1992). The molester
was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269 casesin which an adult
molester could be identified (less than 1% of the cases).
Do Any Studies Show That Homosexuals Are More Likely To Molest Children?
One individual has claimed to have data that prove homosexuals to be child
molesters at a higher rate than heterosexuals. In a 1985 article published
in Psychological Reports, Paul Cameron purported to review published data
to answer the question, "Do those who commit homosexual acts
disproportionately incorporate children into their sexual practices?" (p.
1227). He concluded that "at least one-third of the sexual attacks upon
youth are homosexual" (p. 1228) and that "those who are bi- to homosexual
are proportionately much more apt to molest youth" than are heterosexuals
(p. 1231).
Cameron's findings are based on his assumption that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals. Moreover, a careful reading of
Cameron's paper reveals several false statements about the literature he
claimed to have reviewed.
For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned
previously as evidencing a 3 2 ratio of "heterosexual" (i.e., female
victim) to "homosexual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted
that "54% of all the molestations in this study were performed by bisexual
or homosexual practitioners" (p. 1231). However, Groth and Birnbaum
reported that none of the men in their sample had an exclusively
homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that none of the 22 bisexual men
were more attracted to adult males than to adult females. Cameron's 54%
statistic does not appear anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978)
article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation.
It also is noteworthy that, although Cameron assumed that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals, he assumed that not all
male-female molestations were committed by heterosexuals. He
incorporated a "bisexual correction" into his data manipulations to
increase further his estimate of the risk posed to children by
homosexual/bisexual men. In the latter half of his paper, Cameron
considered whether
"homosexual teachers have more frequent sexual interaction with their
pupils" (p. 1231). Based on 30 instances of sexual contact between a
teacher and pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920
and 1982, Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more
likely to
be sexually assaulted by a homosexual practitioner" (p. 1232); the ratio
rose to 100 times when Cameron added his bisexual correction.
This ratio is meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the
actual sexual orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron
assumed that male-male contacts were perpetrated by homosexuals.
Furthermore, Cameron's rationale for selecting particular sources appears
to have been completely arbitrary. He described no systematic method for
reviewing the literature, and apparently never reviewed the
voluminous literature on the sexual development of children and
adolescents. His final choice of sources appears to have slanted his
findings toward what Cameron described as "the relative absence in the
scientific literature of heterosexual teacher-pupil sexual events coupled
with persistent, albeit infrequent, homosexual teacher-pupil sexual
interactions" (p. 1232).
A subsequent paper by Cameron and others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn, Forde,
Larson, & Cameron, 1986)described data collected in a door-to-door survey
in seven U.S. cities and towns, and generally repeated the conclusions
reached in Cameron (1985). As before, male-male sexual assaults were
referredto as "homosexual" molestations (e.g., Abstract, p.327) and the
perpetrators' sexual orientation apparently was not assessed.
This study also suffers from severe methodological problems The sampling
methods were not adequately described; the representativeness of the
sample is highly doubtful; the locations for data collection (Omaha
[NE], Los Angeles [CA], Denver [CO], Washington [DC], Louisville [state
not specified], Bennett [NE], and Rochester [NY]) appear to have been
selected solely on the basis of convenience (see Brown & Cole, 1985, for a
detailed critique). In addition, because the response rate appears to have
been unacceptably low, the sample does not permit generalizations from the
data to any larger population
In summary, the findings reported in the papers by Cameron et al. cannot
be considered valid. The work is too methodologically flawed.
Conclusion
The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of
children does not show that gay men are any more likely than heterosexual
men to molest children. This is not to suggest that molestations of
children by adult homosexual men never occur. They do. But molesting
children has nothing to do with whether a man is heterosexual or
homosexual.
Note
1. Sexual abuse by women appears to be uncommon. It has most often been
documented in cases of a female accomplice assisting a male perpetrator in
procuring victims, or an adult woman seducing a young male (Erickson,
Walbek, & Seely, 1988; Finkelhor, 1984; Johnson & Shrier, 1987). Perhaps
it is not surprising, therefore, that the child molester stereotype is
applied more often to gay men than to lesbians.
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If you know of a child being molested, call the National Center for
Missing & Exploited Children's Cybertipline at: 1 - 800 - 843-5678
*or* 1 - 703 - 235-3900
Give the operator the victim's description, name, age, and the molester's
description, name, address, & phone number.
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| Title: Re: Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban |
19 Oct 2005 12:03:54 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:23:17 -0400, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Krusty's Mom" <krustysmom@mytrailerpark.com> wrote:
| "• Ninure Saunders" <Ninurenohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in message
| news:Ninurenohate-1810050814540001@h-68-164-0-110.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
| > In article <20051018004708.338$TT@newsreader.com>, (Harry
| > Flynt) wrote:
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| > -Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:
| > -> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
| > -> wrote:
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| > -> >I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in
| > -> >Columbus.
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| > -> >http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
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| > -> Guilt by faulty association is a tactic employed by those who aren't
| > -> able to support their position rationally.
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| > -> Of course, we knew you fit in that pigeonhole.
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| > -i bet you wouldn't want a sex offender living next to you. and if you
| > could
| > -prevent it, we all know you would.
| > -
| > -Harry
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| > Ummmm maybe you didn't notice that objection here is to Young's false and
| > inflamatory linking of Gays with pedophilia....not with the newstory.
| > --
| > Pax Christi,
| > • Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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| May 30, 2001
| By Ken Walker
| Baptist Press
People in glass houses......
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:13:38 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
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I guess that cancells next years scheduled "Gay Pride Parade" in Columbus.
I guess we can kick the Catholic Church out of LA now.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12919132.htm
Communities now have eviction power in pedophile ban
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