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26 Aug 2006 10:32:15 PM |
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Comparative Contributions to Society |
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel Guy
web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&video_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the video
addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers of the
day who also happen to be Christian?
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: Comparative Contributions to Society |
26 Aug 2006 11:02:27 PM |
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"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156649535.826152.53510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel Guy
web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&video_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the video
addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers of the
day who also happen to be Christian?
Christopher Parkening, a (imho and his too) great classical guitarist. In
both volumnes of his guitar technique books he devotes one page near the end
to his religious beliefs, but the rest is good stuff - including a nice
transcription to guitar of Beethoven's Fur Elise.
Also should mention the hospitals and other charities begun by religious
groups.
But, I think the best of CHristianity are those who contribute to society
not to promote their beliefs but because of the beliefs. The silent many
whose faith motivates them to better the world in which they find
themselves. And there are many of these people, generally not
Fundamentalists nor in these groups who preach with their lives rather than
their mouths.
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Terrell D Lewis
http://www.epigramz.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Aug 2006 03:41:35 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:02:27 GMT, "SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156649535.826152.53510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel Guy
web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&video_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
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Also should mention the hospitals and other charities begun by religious
groups.
I'm real suspicious of religious 'charity.'
But, I think the best of CHristianity are those who contribute to society
not to promote their beliefs but because of the beliefs.
Those beliefs aren't necessary to contribute to society.
The silent many whose faith motivates them to better the world in which they find
themselves. And there are many of these people, generally not
Fundamentalists nor in these groups who preach with their lives rather than
their mouths.
Those with 'faith' always have in the back of their minds aiming for
'heaven.' Doesn't matter if they're vocal or silent. That said, the
Christians I have respect for are those who treat their faith as the
valued private matter it is, and should be, and render assistance when
they can.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?e1do9nP2ZXZlcn0=?=" |
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26 Aug 2006 11:53:41 PM |
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Dave wrote:
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
First of all, how many people outside of clergy members, TV
evangelists, and politicians announce that they are Christian to the
general public if it doesn't directly affect their profession?
Secondly, I can think of a few in the above category that fit:
C.S. Lewis (author, philosopher)
O. Tacheeni Scott (first Native American to receive a PhD in
Microbiology, genetic and botanical researcher - he was also one of my
professors my senior year of college)
George Washington Carver (botanist, agriculturist)
Eric Liddell (Scottish athlete, Olympic Bronze and Gold Medalist, 400
meter world record holder)
David Livingstone (Scottish explorer, adventurer)
George Frideric Handel (German musician, composer)
Bill W. (aka Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous)
Dr. Bob (aka Dr. Bob Smith, co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous)
R.G. LeTourneau (inventor of earthmoving equipment, holder of over 300
patents in earthmoving industry, founder of LeTourneau University - a
technical college in Longview, TX)
Catherine Marshall (author of the novel Christy)
J.R.R. Tolkien (author of The Hobbit)
There are more I'm sure, but these are the ones I could remember off
the top of my head.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the video
addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers of the
day who also happen to be Christian?
"Great" performers?
Those considered "great" in the entertainment industry aren't usually
Christian. The following is a list of what could be considered
well-known (some greats are included) and easily recognized Christian
performers, entertainers, and athletes:
Willie Aames (Eight is Enough)
Kathie Lee Gifford (Regis and Kathie Lee)
Kirk Cameron (Growing Pains)
Rosie Grier (NFL, TV movies)
Lenny Wilkens (former NBA coach, player)
Kurt Warner (NFL)
Deezer D (ER)
Tom Landry (former Dallas Cowboys coach)
Bono (U-2)
Anne B. Davis (Brady Bunch)
Clifton Davis (Amen)
A.C. Green (NBA)
Noel Paul Stookey (Peter, Paul, and Mary)
Rosalyn Sumners (US Olympics Team Ice Skater)
Evander Holyfield (professional boxer)
Philip Bailey (Earth Wind & Fire)
Charlie Daniels (country music artist)
Barbara Mandrell (award-winning country singer/songwriter)
Donna Douglas (Beverly Hillbillies)
Dean Jones (numerous Disney movies of the 60's and 70's)
Gavin McLeod (The Mary Tyler-Moore Show, The Love Boat)
Mark Farmer (Grand Funk Railroad)
Randy Travis (award-winning country singer/songwriter)
Chuck Norris (Walker, Texas Ranger)
John Elefante (70's band "Kansas")
Kerry Livgren (70's band "Kansas")
Ben Vereen (Roots)
Leon Patillo (Santana)
Donna Summer (70's & 80's disco singer)
Lisa Whelchel (The Facts of Life)
Johnny Whitaker (Family Affair)
Jody Benson (Broadway star, voice of Disney's "The Little Mermaid")
George Foreman (heavyweight boxing champion)
Tom Hanks (Academy Award winner, actor, director, producer)
Jane Russell (movie actress)
Robert Duvall (Academy Award winner, actor, director, producer)
Again, I'm sure this list is incomplete but I think it answers your
question.
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| Title: Re: Comparative Contributions to Society |
27 Aug 2006 08:25:43 AM |
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"{Whösöever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| "Great" performers?
| Bono (U-2)
Can I ask a question please?
Bono is a devout Catholic per all reports I have read. In fact he, along
with the drummer, almost didn't stay in the group because they weren't sure
if being in a rock band conflicted with their religion. After visiting
Africa on numerous occasions and seeing the carnage wrought by AIDS on that
continent, do you think Bono thinks the RCC is correct in saying condom use
is sinful?
Just curious.
In my opinion, I don't understand how he stays a Catholic with the homicidal
policies of the RCC still in place. The RCC has the blood of millions on
their hands for their criminal prudery (to use a word Sam Harris did in this
context).
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sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Comparative Contributions to Society |
27 Aug 2006 12:30:20 PM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
"{Wh=F6s=F6ever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| "Great" performers?
| Bono (U-2)
Bono is all ego and no talent, and is using charity purely to promote
his own image. When asked to actually, you know, pay taxes in Eire, he
left.
Can I ask a question please?
Bono is a devout Catholic per all reports I have read. In fact he, along
with the drummer, almost didn't stay in the group because they weren't su=
re
if being in a rock band conflicted with their religion. After visiting
Africa on numerous occasions and seeing the carnage wrought by AIDS on th=
at
continent, do you think Bono thinks the RCC is correct in saying condom u=
se
is sinful?
Just curious.
In my opinion, I don't understand how he stays a Catholic with the homici=
dal
policies of the RCC still in place. The RCC has the blood of millions on
their hands for their criminal prudery (to use a word Sam Harris did in t=
his
context).
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around t=
he
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, T=
hD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in t=
he
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?e1do9nP2ZXZlcn0=?=" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:19:16 PM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
Can I ask a question please?
Bono is a devout Catholic per all reports I have read. In fact he, along
with the drummer, almost didn't stay in the group because they weren't sure
if being in a rock band conflicted with their religion.
Okay, so Bono is Catholic. All I know is that in the early 80's when
the band first became internationally known that Bono proclaimed
himself a born-again Christian. Catholic or no, publically proclaiming
Jesus as His personal savior makes him a Believer and a member of the
family of God.
After visiting
Africa on numerous occasions and seeing the carnage wrought by AIDS on that
continent, do you think Bono thinks the RCC is correct in saying condom use
is sinful?
Just curious.
As someone who has been to Africa, I am personally aware of the effect
of AIDS on that continent. But let me ask you this: how in the world
could I possibly know what Bono thinks?
Just curious.
In my opinion, I don't understand how he stays a Catholic with the homicidal
policies of the RCC still in place. The RCC has the blood of millions on
their hands for their criminal prudery (to use a word Sam Harris did in this
context).
Sounds like you might have a personal problem with the RCC; a former
Catholic, perhaps?
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| Title: Re: Comparative Contributions to Society |
27 Aug 2006 02:55:26 PM |
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"{Whösöever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Lizzardwoman wrote:
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| > In my opinion, I don't understand how he stays a Catholic with the
homicidal
| > policies of the RCC still in place. The RCC has the blood of millions
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| > their hands for their criminal prudery (to use a word Sam Harris did in
this
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| Sounds like you might have a personal problem with the RCC; a former
| Catholic, perhaps?
I have a problem with imaginary crimes called "sin" that are getting people
killed for no reason.
sharon
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27 Aug 2006 03:06:23 PM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
I have a problem with imaginary crimes called "sin" that are getting people
killed for no reason.
I don't disagree with you. But to hold one person responsible for
stupid rules made up by a seperate governing body is a little harsh, in
my estimation.
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| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
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27 Aug 2006 03:10:38 PM |
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"{Whösöever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Lizzardwoman wrote:
| > I have a problem with imaginary crimes called "sin" that are getting
people
| > killed for no reason.
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| I don't disagree with you. But to hold one person responsible for
| stupid rules made up by a seperate governing body is a little harsh, in
| my estimation.
I'm not saying there aren't plenty of cafeteria Catholics. In fact there is
likely nothing but cafeteria types. But when a public person openly
identifies with a particular religion, they are obliged to apologize for it
if they otherwise claim to be doing good works. Otherwise they appear
openly schizophrenic.
It is contradictory for Bono, as a Catholic to be stomping around asking to
relieve one category of human suffering while simultaneously agreeing with
other church-caused suffering. It's a credibility issue for me.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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27 Aug 2006 03:13:29 PM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
It is contradictory for Bono, as a Catholic to be stomping around asking to
relieve one category of human suffering while simultaneously agreeing with
other church-caused suffering. It's a credibility issue for me.
Okey-doke.
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27 Aug 2006 04:56:48 AM |
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On 26 Aug 2006 21:53:41 -0700, "{Whösöever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net>
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George Frideric Handel (German musician, composer)
Off by a few centuries there...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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29 Aug 2006 09:20:50 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 26 Aug 2006 21:53:41 -0700, "{Wh=F6s=F6ever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.net>
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George Frideric Handel (German musician, composer)
Off by a few centuries there...
Not really. American history is only a few hours old compared to the
rest of the world's countries and civilizations. America is not a good
yardstick for anything - including what it old and what is not.
Besides, Handel's "Messiah" is performed more worldwide during
Christmas and Easter than any other composition in history - therefore
it's influence on society, religion, and the arts is timeless and very
current.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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30 Aug 2006 03:47:37 AM |
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{Wh=F6s=F6ever} wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 26 Aug 2006 21:53:41 -0700, "{Wh=F6s=F6ever}" <ontheskagit@verizon.n=
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George Frideric Handel (German musician, composer)
Off by a few centuries there...
Not really. American history is only a few hours old compared to the
rest of the world's countries and civilizations. America is not a good
yardstick for anything - including what it old and what is not.
Besides, Handel's "Messiah" is performed more worldwide during
Christmas and Easter than any other composition in history - therefore
it's influence on society, religion, and the arts is timeless and very
current.
But one hardly has to be a devout believer to write great religious
music.
Just look ad Verdi Requiem.
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30 Aug 2006 09:16:21 AM |
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Lucifer wrote:
But one hardly has to be a devout believer to write great religious
music. Just look ad Verdi Requiem.
Not the point. There are many great contributions to society by people
of all faiths (and those with a lack of it), but the subject of this
thread was to list Christians who have made a contribution to society.
Handel was a professed devout Christian. His music in "The Messiah"
reflects that. His music has made a great contribution to society.
End of story.
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30 Aug 2006 10:16:24 AM |
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{Wh=F6s=F6ever} wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
But one hardly has to be a devout believer to write great religious
music. Just look ad Verdi Requiem.
Not the point. There are many great contributions to society by people
of all faiths (and those with a lack of it), but the subject of this
thread was to list Christians who have made a contribution to society.
Handel was a professed devout Christian. His music in "The Messiah"
reflects that. His music has made a great contribution to society.
End of story.
Actually, what I said is relevant, and that is though christians have
made good contributions to society, it's not because they are
christian. Hence the fact that Verdi, who never bothered to go to
church, was able to write one of the greatest pieces of religious
music, is relevant.
If this is purely about xianity, then why is it on an atheist newsgroup
anyway?
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26 Aug 2006 11:59:51 PM |
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Dave wrote:
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
The following link has a number of Christians listed as being
contributors to modern science:
http://www.rae.org/influsci.html
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27 Aug 2006 07:17:11 AM |
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On 26 Aug 2006 21:59:51 -0700, "{Whösöever}"
<ontheskagit@verizon.net> spake thusly:
Dave wrote:
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
The following link has a number of Christians listed as being
contributors to modern science:
http://www.rae.org/influsci.html
I thought you might find the following interesting. I wrote
the first part, but Dr. D. James Kennedy wrote the part that
includes the names of scientists who were actually Christians.
Not just those who claim to be, but bow to evolution, but
actual, six day, Bible believing Creationists.
Are the Atheists Right?
The atheists...
They love to tell you how Christians prevent science.
Harvard, Yale, etc., were all set up by six day, Bible
believing Creationists for the advancement of science.
They love to tell you how the church was after those who believed
the Earth was round. In reality, it was "scientists", who, like
them, could never admit they were wrong.
They love to tell you how Christianity has taken more lives than
anything else. This is NOT TRUE! Atheistic nations have caused
more deaths than any nation that was faithful to Christ!
1) It is not "Christian" to murder people because they do not
believe in Christ as Savior.
2) Stop looking at what fallible man does and then turn around
and blame Christianity. Man killing people and doing it in the
name of Christ, does not mean that there is a problem with
Christianity. It means that there is a problem with man.
The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists, love to ask
the following question...
"If there's a God, how come there is so many bad things happening
in the world?". If you want to know the answer to that, why
don't you look in the mirror? Man loves to do evil and then
blame God for the results! Here is the whole issue, summed up,
because you see, the atheist actually likes to ask a question
that has a "no win" situation. Let me explain...
1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do, that is called
"free will" and the atheist complains. He says, "If God really
existed and loved us, He wouldn't allow all of this evil to
exist!".
2) If God stopped all evil from happening, then man (if he
could), would point his finger at God and say, "If you loved me,
you would let me make my own decisions and learn from my
own mistakes!".
You see what I mean? The atheist asks a rigged question and
tries to stack the deck. Thus, his/her question is not honest to
begin with.
As far as Creation and evolution, they love to say the following:
"Creation is NOT science and no REAL scientist believes in
Creation! It does not offer any testable theory!"
Yet that is not correct. Both creation and evolution considers
the available evidence to be evidence for their side and both
sides perform tests.
What the atheist wants, is absolute proof of God. Yet, when
it comes to evolution and they can't prove it, they tell us that
"science isn't about proof".
They want you to positively prove God and then demand that
you prove that evolution did not happen. Yet if you say that
they need to prove that God does not exist, they claim that
the burden of proof is on you and you shouldn't ask them
to prove a negative, never wanting to understand that you
asked them to prove that God does not exist, to show them
how dumb their demand is that you prove that evolution
did not happen. They want proof from you, but claim that
it isn't reasonable to ask them for any. Huh?!? :)
They have a double standard and yet, claim that only they are
the unbiased ones. Yea, okay, right! :)
They also love to compare it to gravity, yet, Sir Isaac Newton
was a six day Creationist!
They also love to say that if you don't believe in evolution
as a scientific fact, how do you explain using your computer,
which is based on evolutionary science?
Huh?! That isn't anywhere NEAR being true! It is NOT based
on "evolutionary science", nor is evolution even science
In fact, the inventors of computer science and electronics,
were six day Creationists!
The next time someone tells you that "Creation scientists are not
real scientists", you provide them with this message, which shows
that not only was the founder of the scientific method a
creationist, but many of the branches of science, were invented
by creationists, who all believed in a literal six day creation.
To deny evolution is not to deny God, nor nature, nor science.
In fact, to deny evolution, is to uphold science, the truth of
God and the nature that God created. And the greatest scientists
in the world knew that.
Here is some information, for those who are interested in
THE TRUTH...
From: The Root of the Problem - Dr. James Kennedy
WHAT IS TRUE?
Let us take a little deeper look. First of all, who invented
science? It was Francis Bacon, who is credited with having
been the inventor of the scientific method, that combination
of induction and deduction, of hypothesis and proof
(empirical proof). Bacon was a devout Christian. He believed
in God. He believed in Christ, he believed in the Bible, and
he believed in Creation. He said that God had given us two
books. He has given us the book of nature to understand
the world, and the book of Scriptures-and we are to read
both of them, said the founder of science. Wasn't a Christian?
Hardly.
Who was the greatest scientist that ever lived? A poll taken
of scientists just a few years ago concluded that the greatest
scientist that ever lived was Sir Isaac Newton. If you read
a list of the things that he discovered, it is awesome. The
mathematical laws of gravity are just one piece of that huge
puzzle from this gigantic intellect. He was, also, among
other things, the co-discoverer of calculus. Sir Isaac Newton.
Newton believed in God, he believed in Christ, he believed in
the Bible, and he believed in creation. To the utter chagrin
of modern evolutionary scientists, he wrote more books on
theology than he did on science. He still became the greatest
scientist that has ever lived, according to them.
CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS
If the scientific method was invented by a Christian and the
greatest scientist that ever lived was a Christian, what about
the people that gave us all of the various branches of science?
Who were they? Let me tell you about them. They were all
men that believed in God, believed in Christ, believed in the
Bible, and believed in creation. Not an evolutionist among them.
Who were they:
The inventor of Antiseptic Surgery was Joseph Lister, who was
all of the above.
Bacteriology - Louis Pasteur - all of the above.
Calculus - Sir Isaac Newton, as I've said.
Celestial Mechanics - Johann Kepler, who said that science
was thinking God's thoughts after Him.
Chemistry - Robert Boyle, who left a large sum of money
in his will that a series of lectures should be taught in his
university in England defending the Christian faith.
An unbeliever? Hardly.
Comparative Anatomy - Georges Cuvier.
Computer Science - Charles Babbage.
Dimensional Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.
Dynamics - Isaac Newton.
Electrodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.
Electromagnetics - Michael Faraday, who had about twenty-two
honorary doctorates. He was being given a huge award by
the king at a banquet on a Wednesday night. After the banquet,
the people talked for a while, and then he was called up to
receive his award, and they found that he had slipped out
to go to prayer meeting. That is what you would have done,
isn't it? After all, what is an award from the king compared
to worshiping God.
Electronics - Ambrose Fleming.
Energetics - Lord Kelvin, a great Christian.
Entomology of Living Insects - Henri Fabre.
Field Theory - Michael Faraday.
Fluid Mechanics - George Stokes.
Galactic Astronomy - William Herschel.
Gas Dynamcs - Robert Boyle.
Genetics - Gregor Mendel.
Glacial Geology - Louis Agassiz of Harvard, a great
Christian man.
Gynecology - James Simpson
Hydraulics - Leonardo da Vinci
Hydrography - Matthew Maury
Hydrostatics - Blaise Pascal.
Ichthyology - Louis Agassiz.
Isotopic Chemistry - William Ramsay.
Model Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.
Natural History - John Ray.
Non-Euclidean Geometry - Bernhard Riemann.
Oceanography - Matthew Maury.
Optical Mineralogy - David Brewster.
Paleontology - John Woodward.
Pathology - Rudolph Virchow.
Physical Astronomy - Johann Kepler.
Reversible Thermodynamics - James Joule.
Statistical Thermodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.
Stratigraphy - Nicholas Steno.
Systematic Biology - Carolus Linnaeus.
Thermodynamics - Lord Kelvin.
Thermokinetics - Humphrey Davy.
Vertebrate Paleontology - George Cuvier.
They were Christians, all believers in creation. We actually had
an evolutionist in a debate here many years ago who made this
astounding statement: "Creation is not scientific, and therefore,
anyone who believes in creation is not a scientist". How's that
again? He had better go back and read a little of his own
history to find out if that is true.
So Dr. Kennedy sums it up pretty nicely. And personally,
I just love this quote from the TV show, "Friends"! :)
"Wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world
believed that the world was flat? And up until like what,
50 years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest
thing, until you split it open and this like, whole mess of
crap came out. Now, are you telling me that you are so
unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a
teeny tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?"
- Phoebe from Friends, regarding evolution
And with that, I will leave this discussion. I normally don't
even let the responses get cross posted into those groups
any more. I have my reader set to respond only in the group
I see it in, but I didn't know which group you were in and
I thought you might appreciate this. :)
I don't have discussions with them anymore. They have been
beaten over and over again and refuse to admit it and keep
claiming victory, when in reality, all they have is circular
arguments and microevolution, which is a fact of science.
But they haven't any examples of macroevolution and they
know it, so they keep trying to redefine macroevolution,
to include examples of microevolution.
They don't even know that there are six types of evolution.
I had to educate them about that as well. These guys are
a joke! (: I hope one day the Lord saves them, but I won't
entertain their circular arguments, that are filled with insults,
especially since I got drawn into responding in kind a few
times and I don't believe that conversing with these people
is fruitful any longer and I kill file atheists and proponents
of evolution now. I am here to discuss Biblical truths, not
to see a thousand messages from God haters cross posted
into the Christian news groups that I subscribe to. And
yes, they are the cause of the strife. Once I started kill
filing the, the number of posts per day in the groups I
download, has gone from hundreds, to about 20-30.
What does that tell you?
So my dear friend, you may do what you wish, but for me,
I'm done with them, having already spent years debunking
their fantasies which are built on faith in the intelligence of
mindless matter.
They claim to be "free thinkers", but in reality, they are bound
by the chains of fruitless thought that worships self and nature.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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27 Aug 2006 09:16:24 AM |
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{Wh=F6s=F6ever} wrote:
Dave wrote:
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
The following link has a number of Christians listed as being
contributors to modern science:
http://www.rae.org/influsci.html
My hope was that this would turn into a substantive thread, and I am
gratified that this appears to be the case...I'll be putting something
together to post Tuesday night, which is when I am next available for
substantive Usenet participation.
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Aug 2006 04:58:00 PM |
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On 27 Aug 2006 07:16:24 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
{Whösöever} wrote:
Dave wrote:
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
The following link has a number of Christians listed as being
contributors to modern science:
http://www.rae.org/influsci.html
My hope was that this would turn into a substantive thread, and I am
gratified that this appears to be the case...I'll be putting something
together to post Tuesday night, which is when I am next available for
substantive Usenet participation.
There's no reason for it not to be a substantive thread. I'll discuss
darn near anything, as will most folks here. What isn't taken kindly to
is mindless drooling by Christian lunatics. That stuff is mindnumbingly
boring and it's the same lunacy ad nauseum.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Aug 2006 09:03:13 PM |
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On 26 Aug 2006 20:32:15 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel Guy
web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&video_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
No idea.
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher, or
other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
I'm not one that tracks a persons stance with regard to superstition.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the video
addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers of the
day who also happen to be Christian?
See above. Further, one persons 'great performer' is another persons'
eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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27 Aug 2006 01:04:38 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dave (horndw@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel
Guy web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&vid
eo_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher,
or other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the
video addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers
of the day who also happen to be Christian?
Thank you Dave. I'm sure there are many more Christian contributers to
the worlds of science, philosophy and technology, simply because there
are 9 times as many Christians in this society as there are atheists.
Not all of them are in prison... :-)
Here are some recent examples of my works - not submitted to any gods,
mind you, since I am aware that this life is the only life we have.
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M1.mp3
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M2.mp3
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M3.mp3
Enjoy.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Aug 2006 05:07:54 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:04:38 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dave (horndw@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
[]
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the
video addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers
of the day who also happen to be Christian?
Thank you Dave. I'm sure there are many more Christian contributers to
the worlds of science, philosophy and technology, simply because there
are 9 times as many Christians in this society as there are atheists.
Not all of them are in prison... :-)
Here are some recent examples of my works - not submitted to any gods,
mind you, since I am aware that this life is the only life we have.
Neat stuff, Vic! :thumbsup:
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Aug 2006 02:00:50 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:04:38 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <Xns982BEAC05E379vicman@216.196.97.136>
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dave (horndw@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
I invite the readership to view this video, courtesy of the Infidel
Guy web site:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=download_stream&vid
eo_id=80
Consider what is being said by the producer of the video. I'm not an
atheist, but I have to say that it looks like atheists have made some
good contributions to society and the world, at large. Particularly
within the last 100 years, how many Christians can we list to compare
with the lists from the video?
I'm not going to pretend that I didn't know that atheists have always
made great contributions to the world, but I have to confess that I'm
having a problem thinking of any *Christian* scientist, philosopher,
or other truly useful contributor to modern society in terms of
technology, philosophy, or science.
I'm much less concerned about the entertainment industry, but the
video addresses that, so let's consider: Who are the great performers
of the day who also happen to be Christian?
Thank you Dave. I'm sure there are many more Christian contributers to
the worlds of science, philosophy and technology, simply because there
are 9 times as many Christians in this society as there are atheists.
Not all of them are in prison... :-)
Pity about that.
The genocidal supporting bastards SHOULD be.
Here are some recent examples of my works - not submitted to any gods,
mind you, since I am aware that this life is the only life we have.
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M1.mp3
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M2.mp3
http://home.inreach.com/vicman/EL_1M3.mp3
Enjoy.
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