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Date: 14 Jan 2008 08:17:13 AM
Object: congratulations to you atheists !
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that 'this is a pen', for the
opposite person to say, 'it is not a pen', he should know what is the
definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise
or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is
not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an
atheist to say 'there is no God', he should at least know the concept
of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in
which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got
human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god.
Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false
gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with
something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights
to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense
that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has
a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the
correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful
religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible
with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about
Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every
Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha
Allah not refuse.
(You may refer to my article, 'Concept of God in Islam', for more
details)
QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material
provided in the 'Concept of God in Islam' to an atheist may satisfy
some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I
agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use
scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove
the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur'an is a
revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen
or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a
question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to
provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little
bit of thinking, he will reply, 'the creator of that object.' Some may
say 'the producer' while others may say 'the manufacturer.' What ever
answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always
be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of
the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don't
grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be
same, therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN: for details on this subject
please refer to my book, 'THE QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE - COMPATIBLE
OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as 'Theory of Probability'. If
you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the
chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the
two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly
if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50%
(1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances
that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half.
But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half
multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50%
which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that
you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8
or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12 1/2%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number
between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If
you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will
be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36.
If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three
guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is
less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur'an, and assume that
a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the
Qur'an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability
of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people thought the world was
flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It
could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,
heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur'an rightly says
it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being
correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The
Qur'an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the
chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is
reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur'an also mentions every living thing is made of water.
Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper,
aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water,
cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur'an
rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess,
the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of
all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is
reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is
1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur'an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men
at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .
0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the
hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them
being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single
wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses
without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a
logical person that the origin of the Qur'an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR'AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned
all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered,
is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any
person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able
to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the 'CREATOR', the
producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In
the English language He is 'God', or more appropriate in the Arabic
language, 'ALLAH'.
QUR'AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur'an is not a book of Science, 'S-C-I-E-N-
C-E' but a book of Signs 'S-I-G-N-S' i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur'an
contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. 'signs', out of which more than
a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the
Qur'an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick
because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is
being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur'an is the Furqan
i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick
which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the
ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a
times takes 'U' turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only
to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not
scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick
of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur'an is the
word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his
yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur'an was revealed
1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same
conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible
with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little
knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of
science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating
models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this
into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a
small 'g' that is fake god) but God (with a capital 'G').
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the
earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that
this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all
things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
Reference: http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm
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User: "Lisbeth Andersson"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 16 Jan 2008 05:22:36 AM
"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74c980f3-9f66-478d-8c44-b7615f31306f@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.c
om:
I've snipped a lot of stuff that I'm sure you'll have gotten a lot of
comments on, but this part is far enough down that I don't know if
anybody has commented on yet and it needs a special mention.
<...>

Further, the Qur'an also mentions every living thing is made of
water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone,
copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen,
hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say
about 10,000. The Qur'an rightly says that everything is made up
of water.

<...>
Wonderful! Oxygen and hydrogen counts as wrong choices, while water is
the right choice! Also nitrogen is wrong, What about coal?
Chemistry and biology are not your strong points, are they?
Lisbeth.
----
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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User: "George Ricker"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 16 Jan 2008 09:35:13 AM
In article <Xns9A2786599DDD0lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:

"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74c980f3-9f66-478d-8c44-b7615f31306f@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.c
om:

I've snipped a lot of stuff that I'm sure you'll have gotten a lot of
comments on, but this part is far enough down that I don't know if
anybody has commented on yet and it needs a special mention.


<...>

Further, the Qur'an also mentions every living thing is made of
water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone,
copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen,
hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say
about 10,000. The Qur'an rightly says that everything is made up
of water.

<...>


Wonderful! Oxygen and hydrogen counts as wrong choices, while water is
the right choice! Also nitrogen is wrong, What about coal?

Chemistry and biology are not your strong points, are they?

Then again, maybe they are. It would explain a lot.
--
George Ricker
The books "mere atheism" and "Godless in America" by George Ricker
are now available at online book sellers like amazon.com and most
book retailers. Go to http://www.godlessinamerica.com for more information.
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User: "Sanitys Little Helper"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 03:10:58 AM
"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74c980f3-9f66-478d-8c44-b7615f31306f@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com to
alt.atheism on 14 Jan 2008:



Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH'

You and I are both atheists. I just disbelieve in one more god than you.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
The monkeys are loose in the library again. They're gibbbering something
about "Answers In Genesis".

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User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 08:36:57 AM
"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in news:74c980f3-
9f66-478d-8c44-b7615f31306f@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Previously refuted twaddle.
http://tinyurl.com/2rs5kh
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User: "bob young"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 20 Jan 2008 10:25:02 PM
"christ.loover@gmail.com" wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God.

Rubbish. If someone claims they have a sky pixie who wakes him up every
morning
there is no need to evaluate Sky Pixies.
You know why you put together such long posts? Because in some strange
way you think they prove your god exists.
They prove nothing but they do show how insecure you are
You can do it in one line and at the same time have every atheist there
ever was disappear in a puff of smoke.
Simply have your god appear as 'he' appeared to Moses.:
I am waiting.

If I hold a book and say that 'this is a pen', for the
opposite person to say, 'it is not a pen', he should know what is the
definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise
or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is
not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an
atheist to say 'there is no God', he should at least know the concept
of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in
which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got
human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god.
Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false
gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with
something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights
to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense
that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has
a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the
correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful
religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible
with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about
Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every
Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha
Allah not refuse.

(You may refer to my article, 'Concept of God in Islam', for more
details)

QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material
provided in the 'Concept of God in Islam' to an atheist may satisfy
some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I
agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use
scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove
the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur'an is a
revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen
or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a
question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to
provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little
bit of thinking, he will reply, 'the creator of that object.' Some may
say 'the producer' while others may say 'the manufacturer.' What ever
answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always
be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of
the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don't
grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be
same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN: for details on this subject
please refer to my book, 'THE QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE - COMPATIBLE
OR INCOMPATIBLE?

THEORY OF PROBABILITY

In mathematics there is a theory known as 'Theory of Probability'. If
you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the
chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the
two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly
if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50%
(1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances
that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half.
But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half
multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50%
which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that
you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8
or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12 1/2%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number
between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If
you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will
be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36.
If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three
guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is
less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur'an, and assume that
a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the
Qur'an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability
of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people thought the world was
flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It
could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,
heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur'an rightly says
it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being
correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The
Qur'an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the
chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is
reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur'an also mentions every living thing is made of water.
Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper,
aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water,
cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur'an
rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess,
the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of
all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is
reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is
1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur'an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men
at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .
0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the
hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them
being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single
wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses
without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a
logical person that the origin of the Qur'an is Divine.

CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR'AN

The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned
all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered,
is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any
person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able
to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the 'CREATOR', the
producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In
the English language He is 'God', or more appropriate in the Arabic
language, 'ALLAH'.

QUR'AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE

Let me remind you that the Qur'an is not a book of Science, 'S-C-I-E-N-
C-E' but a book of Signs 'S-I-G-N-S' i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur'an
contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. 'signs', out of which more than
a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the
Qur'an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick
because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is
being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur'an is the Furqan
i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick
which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the
ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a
times takes 'U' turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only
to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not
scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick
of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur'an is the
word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his
yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur'an was revealed
1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same
conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible
with it.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little
knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of
science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating
models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this
into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a
small 'g' that is fake god) but God (with a capital 'G').

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the
earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that
this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all
things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

Reference: http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm

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User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 20 Jan 2008 11:16:15 PM
On 20 Jan 2008 22:25:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:


replying to "christ.loover@gmail.com":

You know why you put together such long posts? Because in some strange
way you think they prove your god exists.

Spot on, I believe.
All these long-winded twats suffer from not having a clue what "evidence" means, but thinking
that every word from their horror literature is "evidence". So, the longer the gratuitous
quote, the surer the "proof". I think most can't even read what they post, but merely copy it.
And I still want to know what this one is doing to Christ when he "looves" him.


They prove nothing but they do show how insecure you are

You can do it in one line and at the same time have every atheist there
ever was disappear in a puff of smoke.

Simply have your god appear as 'he' appeared to Moses.:

I am waiting.

--
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--
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User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 04:05:32 PM
wrote:



LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

Oxymoron.
With the emphasis on the moron.
--
Uncle Vic
2011
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User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 07:21:27 PM
wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our way.
Gosh, what ever shall we do? Convert?
NOT!
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 09:09:37 AM
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:ndet55-ems2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...

christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.

WHAT?!?!?!?!
How DARE you! <revs up wand>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 09:32:28 AM
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <

> wrote in message
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christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.


WHAT?!?!?!?!

How DARE you! <revs up wand>

Now now Robyn, calm your self. Have some more tea and relax.
You know what I mean when I use that phrase with the fundy trash
we get. :-P
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor

A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 11:37:05 AM
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.


WHAT?!?!?!?!

How DARE you! <revs up wand>

Now now Robyn, calm your self. Have some more tea and relax.

Grrrrrrr!


You know what I mean when I use that phrase with the fundy trash
we get. :-P

But it's an insult to witches!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 12:10:05 PM
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <

> wrote in message
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christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.


WHAT?!?!?!?!

How DARE you! <revs up wand>

Now now Robyn, calm your self. Have some more tea and relax.


Grrrrrrr!

Now now, think about stroking one of your cats.



You know what I mean when I use that phrase with the fundy trash
we get. :-P


But it's an insult to witches!

Yes, but it is an even BIGGER insult to delusional fundies, that like
to preach against witches.
I like insulting fundies don't ya know. :-D
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor

A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 12:24:51 PM
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:ndet55-ems2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...

christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.


WHAT?!?!?!?!

How DARE you! <revs up wand>

Now now Robyn, calm your self. Have some more tea and relax.


Grrrrrrr!

Now now, think about stroking one of your cats.



You know what I mean when I use that phrase with the fundy trash
we get. :-P


But it's an insult to witches!

Yes, but it is an even BIGGER insult to delusional fundies, that like
to preach against witches.

Well, yeah, I suppose...........


I like insulting fundies don't ya know. :-D

True 'dat! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "bob young"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 20 Jan 2008 10:27:02 PM
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:

Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:c90v55-t01.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...

Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <

> wrote in message
news:ndet55-ems2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...

christ.loover@gmail.com wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Oh look. The spell casting witch is back, with more spells thrown our
way.


WHAT?!?!?!?!

How DARE you! <revs up wand>

Now now Robyn, calm your self. Have some more tea and relax.


Grrrrrrr!

Now now, think about stroking one of your cats.

.....Eeeerm is that ......cat's or '*****' ?




You know what I mean when I use that phrase with the fundy trash
we get. :-P


But it's an insult to witches!

Yes, but it is an even BIGGER insult to delusional fundies, that like
to preach against witches.

I like insulting fundies don't ya know. :-D

--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor



A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob

Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________

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User: "Don Martin"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 21 Jan 2008 08:42:52 AM
On 20 Jan 2008 22:27:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

Now now, think about stroking one of your cats.


....Eeeerm is that ......cat's or '*****' ?

Either might appreciate a nice stroking from time to time.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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User: "Geoff"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 09:33:15 AM
wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Dealing with a moron:
*plonk*
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User: "Mr. B"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 08:54:41 AM
Listen, you are clearly confused about this, but this is an atheism group,
and we don't believe that any gods exist. Trying to convince us that your
specific god does exist will not go very far around here. That doesn't
mean that we all completely reject religion, it just means that we approach
religion rationally. If you were here talking about such a rational
approach to Islam, like taking lessons on life from the Qu'ran or
understanding the Islamic perspective on morality, you would get a much
warmer reception.
By posting about how Allah is real and how we should all look to him as the
ultimate power in our lives will get you a very harsh response from the
people who frequent this NG. I'm sure you have noticed this by now, but I
just wanted to make sure that you understand that there is no hope of
anyone here thinking that Allah is real, and therefore no hope of anyone
here converting to Islam as a result of your posts. A better way to spend
your time might be to read a book on atheism to understand why you will
have no success with these posts; I recommend The God Delusion by Richard
Dawkins, although you can find many others in your local book store (mine
has an entire subsection for them).
-- B
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User: "Conspiracy of Doves"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 09:53:48 AM
On Jan 14, 9:54 am, "Mr. B" <u...@dis.closed> wrote:

Listen, you are clearly confused about this, but this is an atheism group,
and we don't believe that any gods exist. Trying to convince us that your
specific god does exist will not go very far around here. That doesn't
mean that we all completely reject religion, it just means that we approach
religion rationally. If you were here talking about such a rational
approach to Islam, like taking lessons on life from the Qu'ran or
understanding the Islamic perspective on morality, you would get a much
warmer reception.

He would?
Well, no one (that I know of) has ever tried that approach in aa so I
don't know.
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User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 11:53:11 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:54:41 -0500, "Mr. B" <un@dis.closed> wrote:

Listen, you are clearly confused about this, but this is an atheism group,
and we don't believe that any gods exist. Trying to convince us that your
specific god does exist will not go very far around here. That doesn't
mean that we all completely reject religion, it just means that we approach
religion rationally. If you were here talking about such a rational
approach to Islam, like taking lessons on life from the Qu'ran or
understanding the Islamic perspective on morality, you would get a much
warmer reception.

By posting about how Allah is real and how we should all look to him as the
ultimate power in our lives will get you a very harsh response from the
people who frequent this NG. I'm sure you have noticed this by now, but I
just wanted to make sure that you understand that there is no hope of
anyone here thinking that Allah is real, and therefore no hope of anyone
here converting to Islam as a result of your posts. A better way to spend
your time might be to read a book on atheism to understand why you will
have no success with these posts; I recommend The God Delusion by Richard
Dawkins, although you can find many others in your local book store (mine
has an entire subsection for them).

-- B

Just to point out, your parting suggestion appears to rely on that someone selling such a book
in the neighborhood you refer to would not be beheaded by the over-zealous .
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
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User: ""

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 15 Jan 2008 12:22:18 PM
On 14 jan, 15:17, "christ.loo...@gmail.com" <christ.loo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

=A0CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.

Congratulations to you too!
You are surely at least 50% right!
What about this model:
God is a genetical engineer, who has invented DNA
He tests his work by allowing it to breed freely
When the result is dissatisfying he makes whole genera become extict.
He doesn't mind flushing the children because of the sins of their
fathers,
and ends up with only those individuals that comply to his standards.
Can you disprove that one?
Peter van Velzen
January 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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User: ""

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 08:27:40 AM
On Jan 14, 2:17=A0pm, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

tl;dr
.

User: "Hatter"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 10:02:44 AM
On Jan 14, 9:17=A0am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.

Special Pleading is lot logical.
Hatter
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User: "Hatter"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 01:26:19 PM
On Jan 14, 11:02=A0am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 14, 9:17=A0am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"



<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST


Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.


My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.


Special Pleading is not logical.

Hatter- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -correction typo

.


User: ""

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 01:20:21 PM
On Jan 14, 9:17=A0am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?"

Why? You're the one that believes in it, you define it. Otherwise, go
play with your tinfoil hat elsewhere.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.

User: "les_on_usenet"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 08:55:49 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST


Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian,

yer yer we already know.

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?"

We do not define gods that's what believers do.

For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God.

Precisely that is why we do not say that.
All we know about gods are that they are claimed by others. Claims
that are never substantiated.

If I hold a book and say that 'this is a pen', for the
opposite person to say, 'it is not a pen', he should know what is the
definition of a pen,

yer yer, we know, we wern't born yesterday you know.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with
something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights
to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense
that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has
a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the
correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful
religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible
with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about
Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

You also missed censorship, intolerance of dissent, religious Police
and courts to enforce 'correct' behavoir and barbaric punishment.
Unelected leaders dictating how we should live an behave
Christianity as it used to be. We spent cenuries gaining our
precious freedoms and democracy. We would be mad to abandon all that
for yet another authoritative religion.
Reality disagrees.

(You may refer to my article, 'Concept of God in Islam', for more
details)

Can't be bothered.
Your post has already got boring. Rest snipped
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County>
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 09:58:55 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'.

And if the creed ended there, the world would be a much better place.
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
.

User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 08:18:51 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
What a fucking moron.
.

User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 11:56:27 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com>
wrote:

'La ilaaha'

..sig!
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
.

User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 11:49:48 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com>
wrote:
I **don't believe** a word of your posting.
In so not doing, I haven't denied a single thing (except I've denied you undeserved
credibility.) If you'd trouble yourself to learn what an atheist is, you wouldn't be compelled
to post non sequitur into a Usenet group.
If you really had such a thing as a "god" it'd be your responsibility to make a credible case
that it isn't just fantasy, before any issue of "denying its existence" could logically arise.
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: congratulations to you atheists ! 14 Jan 2008 10:10:08 AM
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:17:13 -0800,
wrote:

QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
BAAWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
Hey, Skippy, we don't believe *you* any more than we believe the
Christians.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“It is one of the Christian delusions that Christianity
brought charity into the world. It did no such thing.
There were plenty of agencies for taking care of the
poor and helpless long before Christianity was heard
of, and even before Judaism. Both Christianity and
Judaism have converted charity into a sort of pious racket.”
- H. L. Mencken
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