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"Jd" |
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08 Sep 2007 08:20:50 PM |
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Congress goes "Beyond Einstein" and Newton... to JDEM |
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
JDEM in the following stands for "Joint Dark Energy Mission" (which is a strong hint that
scientists have a strong desire to find out more about these black holes).... and the remainder of
the following shows that not only are scientists heavily involved, but your Congress is, the Dept.
of Energy is, as well as NASA.
"Prompted by Congress and the Office of Science and Technology Policy, NASA and DOE asked the
committee to assess the five proposed mission areas and recommend one for first development and
launch. NASA's Beyond Einstein program, set to begin in 2009, is comprised of two astronomical
observatories, Constellation-X and LISA, as well as a series of probes: the Inflation Probe (IP),
the Black Hole Finder Probe (BHFP), and JDEM."
"All of the mission areas in the Beyond Einstein program have the potential to fundamentally alter
our understanding of the universe," said committee co-chair Charles F. Kennel, distinguished
professor and director of the Environment and Sustainability Initiative at the University of
California, San Diego. "But JDEM will provide direct insight into a key Beyond Einstein science
question, and is the most technically feasible option for immediate development."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070906140741.htm
These things have been known for quite some time among the scientific community worldwide....
"General relativity and quantum theory are the two undisputed pillars supporting the magnificent
construction of contemporary physics, but on small space-time scales and at high energies they do
not get along. For reconciliation, an even bolder theory is necessary."
"String theory and quantum geometry (also known as loop quantum gravity) are the names
of the two competitors. They follow the goal in different fashions and with different
results. Hundreds of most gifted physicists worldwide have joined this project" (The Duel: Strings
versus Loops - Rüdiger Vaas)
More detail on Newton. His work was in error because he 'assumed' the existance of a fixed,
permanent background space in order for his mathematics to work wrt an observation of physics known
as "acceleration".
"Newton introduced the idea of physical space as an independent entity because he needed it for his
dynamical theory. In order for his second law of motion to make any sense, acceleration must make
sense. Newton assumed that there is a physical background space with respect to which acceleration
is defined. The Newtonian picture of the world is therefore a background space on which matter
moves."
However, the background was found to not actually be "space" but "fields" which themselves were
capable of movement...
"Faraday and Maxwell introduced a novel object that could move in space. This object was called the
field, and Faraday visualized it as a set of lines that fill space.The lines start and end on
electric charges, but they can exist and have independent dynamics even when no charges are present.
In this latter case the field lines have no ends, and therefore form closed loops. Maxwell then
translated Faraday’s intuition into equations, in which these lines and loops became the electric
and magnetic fields."
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
The very origins of the universe itself have come into question insomuch as the "Big Bang" theory
itself has become outdated and is ready to be trashed (even though educators in your public schools
will probably not mention this to your kids\grandkids for another 20 or 30 years)
"New discoveries have been made about another universe whose collapse appears to have given birth to
the one we live in today. They will be announced in the early on-line edition of the journal Nature
Physics on 1 July 2007 and will be published in the August 2007 issue of the journal's print
edition. "My paper introduces a new mathematical model that we can use to derive new details about
the properties of a quantum state as it travels through the Big Bounce, which replaces the classical
idea of a Big Bang as the beginning of our universe," said Martin Bojowald, assistant professor of
physics at Penn State."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
Best I can tell, the big bucks began to flow against Einstein and Newton about 6 years ago....
October 2001 "New Center for Gravitational Wave Physics established at Penn State"
"A multi-million-dollar, multi-year grant from the National Science Foundation (NSF), along with
significant support from Penn State, has created the Center for Gravitational Wave Physics at the
University--funded at $1 million a year for each of the next five years and led by Lee Samuel Finn,
associate professor of physics and astronomy and astrophysics."
"The center supports an interdisciplinary team of scientists at Penn State and eight other
participating institutions in the United States, Scotland, Canada, and Germany. The researchers are
poised to explore the mysteries hidden in the first signals ever detected from gravitational waves
generated by the most massive and violent objects in the universe--which they anticipate will be
collected beginning next year by new gravitational-wave detectors in the U.S., Europe, and Japan,
plus by a space-based detector to be launched later this decade."
Since the "Beyond Einstein" program is scheduled to be launched in 2009... I'd say they've
discovered the imminent need for yet another "theory". And that has come about in order to resolve
the split which has come about in the physics community over string theory vs. quantum gravity
theory.
The implications are enormous. Basically what you will end up with in my opinion is a theory which
will encompass the notion of an "eternity" of unfolding universes as opposed to the start of just
one (currently known as the "Big Bang").
Jd
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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08 Sep 2007 11:39:10 PM |
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"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:hvp6e39mvi66o4eor73qo3s99oe6e16006@4ax.com...
Cretin.
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| User: "Jd" |
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11 Sep 2007 07:30:51 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:hvp6e39mvi66o4eor73qo3s99oe6e16006@4ax.com...
Cretin.
Brilliant reply. It would be quite ignorant to challenge what I wrote unless you knew somthing about
quantum gravity, string theory, Einsteins theory of relativity... etc..
And so now let's see how/if you will open up the normal tit for tat nonsense seculars usually resort
to...
Thanks,
Jd
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| User: "Darwin123" |
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14 Sep 2007 01:22:51 PM |
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On Sep 8, 9:20 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinianrelativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
The gravitational field started out earlier than the light.
Therefore, the gravitational field had a head start on the light beam.
The black hole formed long ago, and the dynamical process that
formed it sent out a gravitational potential that traveled no faster
than the speed of light. However, it started earlier. A static
gravitational field developed far away from the center of the black
hole. The light beam was turned around or stopped by the static
gravitational field, that was already there. Nothing at the center of
the black hole could effect the light beam once it was sent out.
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| User: "Jd" |
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18 Sep 2007 08:04:43 PM |
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Darwin123 wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:20 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinianrelativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
The gravitational field started out earlier than the light.
Therefore, the gravitational field had a head start on the light beam.
The black hole formed long ago, and the dynamical process that
formed it sent out a gravitational potential that traveled no faster
than the speed of light. However, it started earlier. A static
gravitational field developed far away from the center of the black
hole. The light beam was turned around or stopped by the static
gravitational field, that was already there. Nothing at the center of
the black hole could effect the light beam once it was sent out.
So are you saying Einstein was right or that Einstein was wrong?
If the latter please explain the need for JDEM.
Jd
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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11 Sep 2007 09:32:18 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
JDEM in the following stands for "Joint Dark Energy Mission" (which is a strong hint that
scientists have a strong desire to find out more about these black holes).... and the remainder of
the following shows that not only are scientists heavily involved, but your Congress is, the Dept.
of Energy is, as well as NASA.
"Prompted by Congress and the Office of Science and Technology Policy, NASA and DOE asked the
committee to assess the five proposed mission areas and recommend one for first development and
launch. NASA's Beyond Einstein program, set to begin in 2009, is comprised of two astronomical
observatories, Constellation-X and LISA, as well as a series of probes: the Inflation Probe (IP),
the Black Hole Finder Probe (BHFP), and JDEM."
"All of the mission areas in the Beyond Einstein program have the potential to fundamentally alter
our understanding of the universe," said committee co-chair Charles F. Kennel, distinguished
professor and director of the Environment and Sustainability Initiative at the University of
California, San Diego. "But JDEM will provide direct insight into a key Beyond Einstein science
question, and is the most technically feasible option for immediate development."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070906140741.htm
These things have been known for quite some time among the scientific community worldwide....
"General relativity and quantum theory are the two undisputed pillars supporting the magnificent
construction of contemporary physics, but on small space-time scales and at high energies they do
not get along. For reconciliation, an even bolder theory is necessary."
"String theory and quantum geometry (also known as loop quantum gravity) are the names
of the two competitors. They follow the goal in different fashions and with different
results. Hundreds of most gifted physicists worldwide have joined this project" (The Duel: Strings
versus Loops - Rüdiger Vaas)
More detail on Newton. His work was in error because he 'assumed' the existance of a fixed,
permanent background space in order for his mathematics to work wrt an observation of physics known
as "acceleration".
"Newton introduced the idea of physical space as an independent entity because he needed it for his
dynamical theory. In order for his second law of motion to make any sense, acceleration must make
sense. Newton assumed that there is a physical background space with respect to which acceleration
is defined. The Newtonian picture of the world is therefore a background space on which matter
moves."
However, the background was found to not actually be "space" but "fields" which themselves were
capable of movement...
"Faraday and Maxwell introduced a novel object that could move in space. This object was called the
field, and Faraday visualized it as a set of lines that fill space.The lines start and end on
electric charges, but they can exist and have independent dynamics even when no charges are present.
In this latter case the field lines have no ends, and therefore form closed loops. Maxwell then
translated Faraday’s intuition into equations, in which these lines and loops became the electric
and magnetic fields."
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
The very origins of the universe itself have come into question insomuch as the "Big Bang" theory
itself has become outdated and is ready to be trashed (even though educators in your public schools
will probably not mention this to your kids\grandkids for another 20 or 30 years)
"New discoveries have been made about another universe whose collapse appears to have given birth to
the one we live in today. They will be announced in the early on-line edition of the journal Nature
Physics on 1 July 2007 and will be published in the August 2007 issue of the journal's print
edition. "My paper introduces a new mathematical model that we can use to derive new details about
the properties of a quantum state as it travels through the Big Bounce, which replaces the classical
idea of a Big Bang as the beginning of our universe," said Martin Bojowald, assistant professor of
physics at Penn State."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
Best I can tell, the big bucks began to flow against Einstein and Newton about 6 years ago....
October 2001 "New Center for Gravitational Wave Physics established at Penn State"
"A multi-million-dollar, multi-year grant from the National Science Foundation (NSF), along with
significant support from Penn State, has created the Center for Gravitational Wave Physics at the
University--funded at $1 million a year for each of the next five years and led by Lee Samuel Finn,
associate professor of physics and astronomy and astrophysics."
"The center supports an interdisciplinary team of scientists at Penn State and eight other
participating institutions in the United States, Scotland, Canada, and Germany. The researchers are
poised to explore the mysteries hidden in the first signals ever detected from gravitational waves
generated by the most massive and violent objects in the universe--which they anticipate will be
collected beginning next year by new gravitational-wave detectors in the U.S., Europe, and Japan,
plus by a space-based detector to be launched later this decade."
Since the "Beyond Einstein" program is scheduled to be launched in 2009... I'd say they've
discovered the imminent need for yet another "theory". And that has come about in order to resolve
the split which has come about in the physics community over string theory vs. quantum gravity
theory.
The implications are enormous. Basically what you will end up with in my opinion is a theory which
will encompass the notion of an "eternity" of unfolding universes as opposed to the start of just
one (currently known as the "Big Bang").
That is the nature of science. As observations become available, and
these observations lie outside the predictions of current theories,
then theories are developed, changed or adapted to accomodate them.
Jd
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Sep 2007 12:55:20 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:32:18 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
You add a dose of "I understand both Einstein and Hawking" assertion
to a total lack of understanding of both.
I guess the concept that man can travel faster than Earth, but can't
jump off it, escapes him.
--
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Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. BCE
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| User: "Jd" |
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12 Sep 2007 09:04:57 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:32:18 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
You add a dose of "I understand both Einstein and Hawking" assertion
to a total lack of understanding of both.
I guess the concept that man can travel faster than Earth, but can't
jump off it, escapes him.
I guess the concept that E does not = mC2 escapes you.
Jd
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| User: "Jd" |
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12 Sep 2007 09:04:56 PM |
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William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Jd
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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13 Sep 2007 11:21:19 AM |
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In article <11che3piv9minsjjaubttschqstidk7p97@4ax.com> Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> writes:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Actually the picture is this: matter (or energy) warp space; and a
density of matter sufficient to form a black hole warps the space around it
completely, to form a self-contained system, entirely
shut off (except gravitationally) from the universe it formed in.
Light inside this closed and closed-off system continues to move
normally, it's just that there's no path to the "outside".
Actually, Stephen Hawking, bringing quantum mechanics into the
picture (in particular, the Uncertainty Principle), theorizes that
matter CAN "evaporate" from a black hole via a rather complicated
mechanism involving spontaneous pair-formation very near the
event horizon. If he's right, very very small black holes
could evaporate quite quickly.
Others disagree.
I hope Hawking's right, because we're probably going to
be manufacturing tiny black holes just as soon as the
Large Hadron Collider at CERN goes online.
-- cary
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13 Sep 2007 08:35:50 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <11che3piv9minsjjaubttschqstidk7p97@4ax.com> Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> writes:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Actually the picture is this: matter (or energy) warp space; and a
density of matter sufficient to form a black hole warps the space around it
completely, to form a self-contained system, entirely
shut off (except gravitationally) from the universe it formed in.
Light inside this closed and closed-off system continues to move
normally, it's just that there's no path to the "outside".
Actually, Stephen Hawking, bringing quantum mechanics into the
picture (in particular, the Uncertainty Principle), theorizes that
matter CAN "evaporate" from a black hole via a rather complicated
mechanism involving spontaneous pair-formation very near the
event horizon. If he's right, very very small black holes
could evaporate quite quickly.
Others disagree.
I can see why.... he would be suggesting that a long held premise of physics is wrong i.e. "matter
can be neither created nor destroyed".
I hope Hawking's right, because we're probably going to
be manufacturing tiny black holes just as soon as the
Large Hadron Collider at CERN goes online.
-- cary
And if he is right in that he will also be showing strong evidence for the notion of an "eternity"
whereby the laws of physics of the current universe do not necceassarily apply in former universes.
At any rate we all have a good excuse to disagree, but a better excuse to do so civilly since none
of us knows everything at the present moment.
Jd
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14 Sep 2007 11:27:01 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <11che3piv9minsjjaubttschqstidk7p97@4ax.com> Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> writes:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Actually the picture is this: matter (or energy) warp space; and a
density of matter sufficient to form a black hole warps the space around it
completely, to form a self-contained system, entirely
shut off (except gravitationally) from the universe it formed in.
Light inside this closed and closed-off system continues to move
normally, it's just that there's no path to the "outside".
Actually, Stephen Hawking, bringing quantum mechanics into the
picture (in particular, the Uncertainty Principle), theorizes that
matter CAN "evaporate" from a black hole via a rather complicated
mechanism involving spontaneous pair-formation very near the
event horizon. If he's right, very very small black holes
could evaporate quite quickly.
Others disagree.
I can see why.... he would be suggesting that a long held premise of physics is
wrong i.e. "matter can be neither created nor destroyed".
No, and on more than one count: for a century now that's been
that the total amount of mass plus energy of a system cannot
be changed, not just mass.
Further, the Uncertainty Principle says can you can violate even this, for
suitably short periods of time.
I hope Hawking's right, because we're probably going to
be manufacturing tiny black holes just as soon as the
Large Hadron Collider at CERN goes online.
-- cary
And if he is right in that he will also be showing strong evidence for the notion
of an "eternity" whereby the laws of physics of the current universe do not
necceassarily apply in former universes.
There is much speculation that this could be true, yes. Or that they
have not been the same for the history of our own universe, or that
they may differ in different parts of our universes, or that other
universes are constantly being created, perhaps with different laws.
All of these might prove useful for proving this or dealing with
that, but all of it is pure blue-sky speculation at this point.
There is physical evidence that certain fundamental constants
could not have changed more than a certain amount over the
history of our universe, but beyond that, it's hard to see
how we could find out.
At any rate we all have a good excuse to disagree, but a better
excuse to do so civilly since none of us knows everything at the present moment.
-- cary
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18 Sep 2007 08:04:40 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <11che3piv9minsjjaubttschqstidk7p97@4ax.com> Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> writes:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Actually the picture is this: matter (or energy) warp space; and a
density of matter sufficient to form a black hole warps the space around it
completely, to form a self-contained system, entirely
shut off (except gravitationally) from the universe it formed in.
Light inside this closed and closed-off system continues to move
normally, it's just that there's no path to the "outside".
Actually, Stephen Hawking, bringing quantum mechanics into the
picture (in particular, the Uncertainty Principle), theorizes that
matter CAN "evaporate" from a black hole via a rather complicated
mechanism involving spontaneous pair-formation very near the
event horizon. If he's right, very very small black holes
could evaporate quite quickly.
Others disagree.
I can see why.... he would be suggesting that a long held premise of physics is
wrong i.e. "matter can be neither created nor destroyed".
No, and on more than one count: for a century now that's been
that the total amount of mass plus energy of a system cannot
be changed, not just mass.
Further, the Uncertainty Principle says can you can violate even this, for
suitably short periods of time.
I hope Hawking's right, because we're probably going to
be manufacturing tiny black holes just as soon as the
Large Hadron Collider at CERN goes online.
-- cary
And if he is right in that he will also be showing strong evidence for the notion
of an "eternity" whereby the laws of physics of the current universe do not
necceassarily apply in former universes.
There is much speculation that this could be true, yes. Or that they
have not been the same for the history of our own universe, or that
they may differ in different parts of our universes, or that other
universes are constantly being created, perhaps with different laws.
All of these might prove useful for proving this or dealing with
that, but all of it is pure blue-sky speculation at this point.
There is physical evidence that certain fundamental constants
could not have changed more than a certain amount over the
history of our universe, but beyond that, it's hard to see
how we could find out.
True. Like I tell my hunting pals every winter when we get together on our camping adventures....
"getting there is half the fun".
Perhaps "the means justify the ends" in the final analysis.
Jd
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14 Sep 2007 01:00:15 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
All of these might prove useful for proving this or dealing with
that, but all of it is pure blue-sky speculation at this point.
There is physical evidence that certain fundamental constants
could not have changed more than a certain amount over the
history of our universe, but beyond that, it's hard to see
how we could find out.
Create our own universe in a way that we could take measurements
inside it. (There was a story to that effect once - we were the
created universe.)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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18 Sep 2007 08:04:41 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
All of these might prove useful for proving this or dealing with
that, but all of it is pure blue-sky speculation at this point.
There is physical evidence that certain fundamental constants
could not have changed more than a certain amount over the
history of our universe, but beyond that, it's hard to see
how we could find out.
Create our own universe in a way that we could take measurements
inside it. (There was a story to that effect once - we were the
created universe.)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
Yet even ole Carl yearned for a science based "religion".....
"A religion old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe
as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of
reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or
later, such a religion will emerge." —Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot (1994)
Jd
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| User: "Darwin123" |
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14 Sep 2007 01:28:51 PM |
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On Sep 12, 10:04 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton's second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In generalrelativitythere are no fields on space- time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space-time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativitydoes not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Jd
You cheated! You already loaded the answer to the question when
you said that "I raised my arms above my head and caused your
flashlight beam to turn around." In your analogy, you are at the
CENTER of the black hole and the light beam turned around at the EDGE.
There is no causal connection between the center of the black hole and
the edge once the black hole has formed.
No one said that it was the gravity at the CENTER of the black
hole that turned the light beam around. The gravity that turned the
light beam around was at the EDGE of the black hole. The black hole
had been there a long time. The gravity at the edge had a head start
over the light beam.
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18 Sep 2007 08:04:42 PM |
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Darwin123 wrote:
On Sep 12, 10:04 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton's second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In generalrelativitythere are no fields on space- time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space-time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativitydoes not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
Jd
You cheated! You already loaded the answer to the question when
you said that "I raised my arms above my head and caused your
flashlight beam to turn around." In your analogy, you are at the
CENTER of the black hole and the light beam turned around at the EDGE.
There is no causal connection between the center of the black hole and
the edge once the black hole has formed.
No one said that it was the gravity at the CENTER of the black
hole that turned the light beam around. The gravity that turned the
light beam around was at the EDGE of the black hole. The black hole
had been there a long time. The gravity at the edge had a head start
over the light beam.
Well of course I cheated. Something "cheated" Einstein afterall didn't it?
Jd
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13 Sep 2007 07:53:04 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:04:56 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Common sense does not hold one is good stead when it comes to
relativity and quantum physics. I will only admit to a cursory
understanding of their principles as I've had my pee-pee whacked by
others far more qualified than I am when I've ventured into this realm
before. My understanding is that the gravitational field within a
black hole is so strong, meaning that the space-time is so warped by
the mass inherent to a black hole, that there is no path that light
can travel that will result in it appearing outside the event horizon.
It is not that light has been chased down by something faster than it,
but that the properties of the medium in which it is traveling simply
do not provide the possibility of escape.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
No, I wouldn't. I'd figure you just walked ahead of me and interrupted
the beam with a mirror and reflected it back at me. The portion of the
beam that left before you got ahead of me would continue
uninterrupted.
Jd
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"We ask for nothing, except what is right and just"
Red Cloud, Oglala Lakota Warrior/Statesman
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14 Sep 2007 01:36:38 PM |
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On Sep 13, 8:53 am, (William Wingstedt)
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:04:56 GMT, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton's second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In generalrelativitythere are no fields on space- time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space-time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of GeneralRelativitydoes not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Common sense does not hold one is good stead when it comes torelativityand quantum physics. I will only admit to a cursory
understanding of their principles as I've had my pee-pee whacked by
others far more qualified than I am when I've ventured into this realm
before. My understanding is that the gravitational field within a
black hole is so strong, meaning that the space-time is so warped by
the mass inherent to a black hole, that there is no path that light
can travel that will result in it appearing outside the event horizon.
It is not that light has been chased down by something faster than it,
but that the properties of the medium in which it is traveling simply
do not provide the possibility of escape.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
No, I wouldn't. I'd figure you just walked ahead of me and interrupted
the beam with a mirror and reflected it back at me. The portion of the
beam that left before you got ahead of me would continue
uninterrupted.
Actually, a was there a few days ago and saw him place a the mirror
ahead of the area we all knew you would be. When you arrived, he
walked behind you but the mirror was still there. When you turned on
the flashlight, he raised his arms. However, that was not what caused
the beam to turn around. The mirror which was already ahead of you
turned the beam around, and would have done so whether or not he
raised his arms.
An old magicians trick. He set the stage before you came in. And
the same can be said about black holes. The black hole set the
gravitational field before the light beam was sent out.
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13 Sep 2007 08:35:49 PM |
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William Wingstedt wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:04:56 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:20:50 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Here is the shortest and most concise explanation I've found concerning Newton and Einsteins errors,
and speaks to the root cause of the great rift which has developed in the world of physicists:
"The acceleration in Newton’s second law is not with respect to an absolute background space, but
with respect to the surrounding gravitational field. Newton had mistaken the surrounding
gravitational field for a fixed entity. In general relativity there are no fields on space– time,
just fields on fields. As long as we stay within the classical regime, rather than the quantum one,
the gravitational field defines a 4D continuum. We can therefore still think of the field as a sort
of space–time, albeit one that bends, oscillates and obeys field equations.However, once we bring
quantum mechanics into the picture this continuum breaks down."
Physics World, November 2003 (physicsweb.org)
Basically speaking Einsteins theory has been shown to predict a state of zero volume and infinite
mass at the beginning of the "Big Bang".... and this has been found to be unacceptable.....
"As described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the origin of the Big Bang is a
mathematically nonsensical state -- a "singularity" of zero volume that nevertheless contained
infinite density and infinitely large energy"
"Einstein's Theory of General Relativity does not include the quantum physics that you must have in
order to describe the extremely high energies that dominated our universe during its very early
evolution"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070702084231.htm
For you out there who ascribe more to common sense than to quantum physics and general Einsteinian
relativity, think of it like this.... if Einstein was correct and nothing is faster than the speed
of light, why can't light escape from "black holes"?
How does light not escaping from a black hole require something to be
faster than it?
Anyone who ascribes to the common sense approach would agree that if light cannot escape a "black
hole" then obviouly... something in the black hole has caught the light and stopped it.
Common sense does not hold one is good stead when it comes to
relativity and quantum physics. I will only admit to a cursory
understanding of their principles as I've had my pee-pee whacked by
others far more qualified than I am when I've ventured into this realm
before. My understanding is that the gravitational field within a
black hole is so strong, meaning that the space-time is so warped by
the mass inherent to a black hole, that there is no path that light
can travel that will result in it appearing outside the event horizon.
It is not that light has been chased down by something faster than it,
but that the properties of the medium in which it is traveling simply
do not provide the possibility of escape.
Like if I were standing behind you when you turned on you're flashlight... and I suddenly raised my
arms above my head and caused your flashlight beam to turn around and hit you directly in your eyes.
You would wonder how I got ahead of that beam and turned it 180 degress wouldn't you?
No, I wouldn't. I'd figure you just walked ahead of me and interrupted
the beam with a mirror and reflected it back at me. The portion of the
beam that left before you got ahead of me would continue
uninterrupted.
Fair enough. Afterall the "JDEM" project has been setup to study the concept of what is called "dark
energy" and to answer questions that Einsteinian relativity and quantum physics cannot...
"All of the mission areas in the Beyond Einstein program have the potential to fundamentally alter
our understanding of the universe," said committee co-chair Charles F. Kennel, distinguished
professor and director of the Environment and Sustainability Initiative at the University of
California, San Diego. "But JDEM will provide direct insight into a key Beyond Einstein science
question, and is the most technically feasible option for immediate development."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070906140741.htm
Jd
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