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"quibbler" |
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24 Dec 2004 07:49:34 PM |
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Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
Has anyone else seen all these annoying xian morons attempting to
reinterpret the "Star of Bethlehem" as the "conjunction" of two or more
astronomical bodies? I've seen several shows and articles in this last
few weeks where xian apologist idiots have offered various and sundry
baseless and contradictory speculation on what the star "really was".
Since the alleged "divinely-inspired" gospel writers didn't have any
fucking clue what a "star" was, it becomes trivial for opportunistic
xian conmen to reinterpret this object as anything from a meteor to a
comet or a supernova.
But the fashion of late seems to have been for some xian jackass to
belatedly figure out how to run "Starry Night" for Windows and promptly
amaze himself with the fact that two objects can appear close together
in the sky on certain days. I've seen at least a half a dozen different
breathless suggestions about how the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus,
or Jupiter and the Moon, or Jupiter Mars and Venus, or Jupiter and the
Star Regulus, all represent "proof" of the divinity of Jebus.
It really is quite laughable to see the intellectual bankruptcy of what
passes for xian "scholarship" with these ridiculous claims. For
example, conjunctions between Jupiter and Venus happen about three times
per year. Furthermore, celestial conjunctions are obviously not a
single object, as any attentive observer can see that these are separate
objects that slowly come together and then slowly separate.
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
It's not like there was a tradition beforehand that the messiah would be
born under a bright star. Mithras was predicted to have been born under
a bright star, but that's a different legend altogether, and one that
predates xianity. That doesn't mean that I'm any more likely to believe
it, or even the similar claims about bright stars announcing the birth
of Alexander the Great. But if this is all the better that xians can do
with their own mythology then they might as well give up now.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 07:38:55 AM |
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Notice that those pseudo-scientific and pseudo-history
shows usually do not come to any resolution, but keep repeating
a provocative question: "Was the star of Bethlehem really an
alignment of planets?" or "Can the 12 plagues be attributed to
a volcano?"
By the way, for Christians, the "infallible word of God"
says it was a star, not a planet, a comet, or a mixed group of
cosmic phenomena.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
24 Dec 2004 07:48:51 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c36751deea91cc7989792@news.individual.net...
Has anyone else seen all these annoying xian morons attempting to
reinterpret the "Star of Bethlehem" as the "conjunction" of two or more
astronomical bodies? I've seen several shows and articles in this last
few weeks where xian apologist idiots have offered various and sundry
baseless and contradictory speculation on what the star "really was".
Since the alleged "divinely-inspired" gospel writers didn't have any
fucking clue what a "star" was, it becomes trivial for opportunistic
xian conmen to reinterpret this object as anything from a meteor to a
comet or a supernova.
But the fashion of late seems to have been for some xian jackass to
belatedly figure out how to run "Starry Night" for Windows and promptly
amaze himself with the fact that two objects can appear close together
in the sky on certain days. I've seen at least a half a dozen different
breathless suggestions about how the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus,
or Jupiter and the Moon, or Jupiter Mars and Venus, or Jupiter and the
Star Regulus, all represent "proof" of the divinity of Jebus.
It really is quite laughable to see the intellectual bankruptcy of what
passes for xian "scholarship" with these ridiculous claims. For
example, conjunctions between Jupiter and Venus happen about three times
per year. Furthermore, celestial conjunctions are obviously not a
single object, as any attentive observer can see that these are separate
objects that slowly come together and then slowly separate.
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
It's not like there was a tradition beforehand that the messiah would be
born under a bright star. Mithras was predicted to have been born under
a bright star, but that's a different legend altogether, and one that
predates xianity. That doesn't mean that I'm any more likely to believe
it, or even the similar claims about bright stars announcing the birth
of Alexander the Great. But if this is all the better that xians can do
with their own mythology then they might as well give up now.
These kind of shows are bizarre, because they think they're lending credence
to the miracles of the bible by describing how they're not miracles at all.
Who's the audience for these idiotic speculations? Not the Christians, who
believe the events WERE miracles, and not the atheist who reasonably
determines that a list of mundane events doesn't establish anything unusual.
Weird.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 01:44:35 AM |
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In article <vYCdnTFntsKcWlHcRVn-1Q@io.com>,
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c36751deea91cc7989792@news.individual.net...
Has anyone else seen all these annoying xian morons attempting to
reinterpret the "Star of Bethlehem" as the "conjunction" of two or more
astronomical bodies? I've seen several shows and articles in this last
few weeks where xian apologist idiots have offered various and sundry
baseless and contradictory speculation on what the star "really was".
Since the alleged "divinely-inspired" gospel writers didn't have any
fucking clue what a "star" was, it becomes trivial for opportunistic
xian conmen to reinterpret this object as anything from a meteor to a
comet or a supernova.
But the fashion of late seems to have been for some xian jackass to
belatedly figure out how to run "Starry Night" for Windows and promptly
amaze himself with the fact that two objects can appear close together
in the sky on certain days. I've seen at least a half a dozen different
breathless suggestions about how the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus,
or Jupiter and the Moon, or Jupiter Mars and Venus, or Jupiter and the
Star Regulus, all represent "proof" of the divinity of Jebus.
It really is quite laughable to see the intellectual bankruptcy of what
passes for xian "scholarship" with these ridiculous claims. For
example, conjunctions between Jupiter and Venus happen about three times
per year. Furthermore, celestial conjunctions are obviously not a
single object, as any attentive observer can see that these are separate
objects that slowly come together and then slowly separate.
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
It's not like there was a tradition beforehand that the messiah would be
born under a bright star. Mithras was predicted to have been born under
a bright star, but that's a different legend altogether, and one that
predates xianity. That doesn't mean that I'm any more likely to believe
it, or even the similar claims about bright stars announcing the birth
of Alexander the Great. But if this is all the better that xians can do
with their own mythology then they might as well give up now.
These kind of shows are bizarre, because they think they're lending credence
to the miracles of the bible by describing how they're not miracles at all.
Who's the audience for these idiotic speculations? Not the Christians, who
believe the events WERE miracles, and not the atheist who reasonably
determines that a list of mundane events doesn't establish anything unusual.
Weird.
Why I can't stand these shows is that they start out as if they were
going to be an objective scientific study of some aspect in the bible.
They then proceed to drag in any evidence, no matter how cheesy, to
prove the bible version of the story and ignore any negative evidence or
try to explain it away with even cheesier explanations.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Loiskelly1" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
24 Dec 2004 09:43:39 PM |
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Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
My daughter was born when the Hale-Bopp comet visited our undistinguished
planet. Maybe I should start a new religion and cash in on all the rubes.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 03:29:52 PM |
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On 25 Dec 2004 03:43:39 GMT, (Loiskelly1) wrote:
Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
My daughter was born when the Hale-Bopp comet visited our undistinguished
planet. Maybe I should start a new religion and cash in on all the rubes.
The 'organization' would take a *very* dim view of your trying to
muscle in on their territory.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 06:01:44 AM |
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On 25 Dec 2004 03:43:39 GMT, (Loiskelly1) wrote:
Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
My daughter was born when the Hale-Bopp comet visited our undistinguished
planet. Maybe I should start a new religion and cash in on all the rubes.
You know what happened to the people who followed it.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 06:06:31 AM |
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In article <MPG.1c36751deea91cc7989792@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
Considering that the only mention of a star comes in Matthew, and it
says that the bloody thing moved around and led the "three king" morons
to the actual address they needed to go to, you'd have to go with
something not connected with the sky. Matt 2:9,10
My bet is on Tinkerbell.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 01:49:56 AM |
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In article <MPG.1c36751deea91cc7989792@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Has anyone else seen all these annoying xian morons attempting to
reinterpret the "Star of Bethlehem" as the "conjunction" of two or more
astronomical bodies? I've seen several shows and articles in this last
few weeks where xian apologist idiots have offered various and sundry
baseless and contradictory speculation on what the star "really was".
Since the alleged "divinely-inspired" gospel writers didn't have any
fucking clue what a "star" was, it becomes trivial for opportunistic
xian conmen to reinterpret this object as anything from a meteor to a
comet or a supernova.
But the fashion of late seems to have been for some xian jackass to
belatedly figure out how to run "Starry Night" for Windows and promptly
amaze himself with the fact that two objects can appear close together
in the sky on certain days. I've seen at least a half a dozen different
breathless suggestions about how the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus,
or Jupiter and the Moon, or Jupiter Mars and Venus, or Jupiter and the
Star Regulus, all represent "proof" of the divinity of Jebus.
It really is quite laughable to see the intellectual bankruptcy of what
passes for xian "scholarship" with these ridiculous claims. For
example, conjunctions between Jupiter and Venus happen about three times
per year. Furthermore, celestial conjunctions are obviously not a
single object, as any attentive observer can see that these are separate
objects that slowly come together and then slowly separate.
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
It's not like there was a tradition beforehand that the messiah would be
born under a bright star. Mithras was predicted to have been born under
a bright star, but that's a different legend altogether, and one that
predates xianity. That doesn't mean that I'm any more likely to believe
it, or even the similar claims about bright stars announcing the birth
of Alexander the Great. But if this is all the better that xians can do
with their own mythology then they might as well give up now.
The ancient religious wackos, and maybe some even today, were very big
on astrology. They were always looking for 'signs' in the heavens. I
wonder how many more times the planets aligned, bright stars (novae,
supernovae) appeared, or comets shone and nothing of importance happened?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Conjunction of Christian Head With ***** |
25 Dec 2004 09:48:11 AM |
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quibbler wrote:
Has anyone else seen all these annoying xian morons attempting to
reinterpret the "Star of Bethlehem" as the "conjunction" of two or more
astronomical bodies? I've seen several shows and articles in this last
few weeks where xian apologist idiots have offered various and sundry
baseless and contradictory speculation on what the star "really was".
Since the alleged "divinely-inspired" gospel writers didn't have any
fucking clue what a "star" was, it becomes trivial for opportunistic
xian conmen to reinterpret this object as anything from a meteor to a
comet or a supernova.
Yes, morons all. A sign of ignorance.
There was no star. It was a made up myth
by Matthew, no star, no wise men in Luke.
The teeth grinding stupidity of people just
amazes me.
A bunch of supposed astrologers.
People really are such unthinking, incapable
fools, but those who should no better, those who run
planetariums and other places that put on xmas shows
should be lined up and shot for encouraging stupidness.
But the fashion of late seems to have been for some xian jackass to
belatedly figure out how to run "Starry Night" for Windows and promptly
amaze himself with the fact that two objects can appear close together
in the sky on certain days. I've seen at least a half a dozen different
breathless suggestions about how the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus,
or Jupiter and the Moon, or Jupiter Mars and Venus, or Jupiter and the
Star Regulus, all represent "proof" of the divinity of Jebus.
It really is quite laughable to see the intellectual bankruptcy of what
passes for xian "scholarship" with these ridiculous claims. For
example, conjunctions between Jupiter and Venus happen about three times
per year. Furthermore, celestial conjunctions are obviously not a
single object, as any attentive observer can see that these are separate
objects that slowly come together and then slowly separate.
Anyway, why is it that theist retards, who couldn't tell the difference
between their ***** and *****-tronomy, imagine that natural conjunctive
events in the sky would prove anything about Jesus? Even if the
astronomical event took place, that doesn't prove that Jesus was
actually born during that event or that the event was a reference
announcing his birth. Clearly there must have been many important
people born or other momentous events that occurred at the same time for
which the astronomical signs could just as easily portend instead.
It's not like there was a tradition beforehand that the messiah would be
born under a bright star. Mithras was predicted to have been born under
a bright star, but that's a different legend altogether, and one that
predates xianity. That doesn't mean that I'm any more likely to believe
it, or even the similar claims about bright stars announcing the birth
of Alexander the Great. But if this is all the better that xians can do
with their own mythology then they might as well give up now.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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