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Date: 21 Dec 2004 08:24:21 PM
Object: Conservative Students Fight Back
And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.
Ya gotta just love it!
LN
http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue
Conservative students sue over academic freedom
At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.
In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are
pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.
And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.
The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.
Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or
administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions and
teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking
academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to a
classroom free from indoctrination.
In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them
around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of
"diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now,
conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a
greater openness to their viewpoints.
Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to
protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with teachers
about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by
conservative students who support the war in Iraq.
To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest
chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what
they don't want to be taught.
"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early
'70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former
president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas
Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.
Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal
dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing
students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid
exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part of
education.
Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off
criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even if
they represent inferior scholarship.
"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems
and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political
science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two colleagues
targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."
Conservatives say a chill is in order.
A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated
that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide,
Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields
it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers whose
workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign were
the University of California system and Harvard University.
Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a
recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of
Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little
intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some
professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was outside
the subject matter.
Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they
needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good
grade.
Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with
chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time
liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts
student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias
and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in classes,
such as literature, in which it's off-topic.
Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly
opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only
getting half the story."
Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in
class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.
"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do these
things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who
recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the
University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming
students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to
campus.
"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he said.
So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the students
lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word "required"
in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs'
main objection).
In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an "academic
bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities agreed
to adopt its principles.
At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe after
a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the
episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the academic
bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well as
in up to 20 other states.
At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an
advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate
students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli
political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him by
asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded
this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students complaints.
In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom
first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University Professors.
The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set
forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many
teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their) own
opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is
teaching students "to think for themselves."
Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals
in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment to
real diversity and student rights.
But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic one.
"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so
strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian who
has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're
saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'
Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than
it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from
most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades to
conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.
Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior
Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism
in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the U.S.
invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview, Wolfe
vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of
support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she
had found nothing wrong with the course.
Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little sympathy
when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.
"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single day.
What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."
.

User: "Brian Westley"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 08:56:13 PM
<needham@syix.com> writes:

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.
Ya gotta just love it!

What, rightwing idiots who have convinced themselves that
it's illegal to be offended?

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue
Conservative students sue over academic freedom
At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.

I think the court will issue a "too-fucking-bad" ruling.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 10:43:19 PM
On 22 Dec 2004 02:56:13 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> said in
alt.atheism:

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue
Conservative students sue over academic freedom
At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.

I think the court will issue a "too-fucking-bad" ruling.

In the bible belt? Let's hope so, but ...
--
"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
- The theistic majority
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.


User: "JTEM"

Title: Conservative Students Seek Conflict 21 Dec 2004 10:40:40 PM
<needham@syix.com> wrote

In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group
publicizes student allegations of left-wing bias by
professors. Faculty get hate mail and are pictured in
mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.

"....And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman
taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery,
in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that
such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said,
tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus
stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as
though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking
him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, stone the *****!
8 Kill the *****! 9 Let he amongst you with a stone hand me
as much and I shall kill the douche bag myself."
--From The Compassionate Conservative Bible
.

User: "Ike"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 09:12:49 PM
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.
.
User: "cd"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 09:38:46 PM
Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with the
ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.
"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:RC5yd.6380$9j5.1262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...


<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.

.
User: "Dale"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 10:31:24 PM
"cd" <seriouslycomplicated@aol.com> wrote in message
news:10shr258k3dn758@corp.supernews.com...

Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with the
ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.

Did you ever wonder why most people, especially most seasoned newsgroup
users, post at the bottom instead of at the top?

"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:RC5yd.6380$9j5.1262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...


<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of

the

radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.



.
User: "The Pretzel"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 12:35:39 AM
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
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"cd" <seriouslycomplicated@aol.com> wrote in message
news:10shr258k3dn758@corp.supernews.com...

Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with the
ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.


Did you ever wonder why most people, especially most seasoned newsgroup
users, post at the bottom instead of at the top?

"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:RC5yd.6380$9j5.1262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...


<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of

the

radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.

Is that why you don't?
.

User: "Jingo."

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 12:33:58 AM

Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with the
ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.


Did you ever wonder why most people, especially most seasoned newsgroup
users, post at the bottom instead of at the top?

My biggest gripe is when people don't TRIM! It's an epidemic even with many
'seasoned' NG users.
Jingo.

.


User: ""

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 09:48:55 PM
"cd" <seriouslycomplicated@aol.com> wrote in message
news:10shr258k3dn758@corp.supernews.com...

Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with the
ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.


"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:RC5yd.6380$9j5.1262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...


<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of
the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.

Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't yet
had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree with the
final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who will be
having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome that day and
their overt display of insane intolerance.
LN
Conservative students sue over academic freedom
At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.
In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are
pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.
And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.
The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.
Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or
administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions and
teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking
academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to a
classroom free from indoctrination.
In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them
around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of
"diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now,
conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a
greater openness to their viewpoints.
Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to
protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with teachers
about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by
conservative students who support the war in Iraq.
To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest
chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what
they don't want to be taught.
"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early
'70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former
president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas
Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.
Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal
dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing
students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid
exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part of
education.
Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off
criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even if
they represent inferior scholarship.
"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems
and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political
science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two colleagues
targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."
Conservatives say a chill is in order.
A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated
that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide,
Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields
it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers whose
workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign were
the University of California system and Harvard University.
Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a
recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of
Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little
intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some
professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was outside
the subject matter.
Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they
needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good
grade.
Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with
chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time
liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts
student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias
and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in classes,
such as literature, in which it's off-topic.
Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly
opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only
getting half the story."
Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in
class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.
"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do these
things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who
recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the
University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming
students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to
campus.
"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he said.
So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the students
lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word "required"
in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs'
main objection).
In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an "academic
bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities agreed
to adopt its principles.
At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe after
a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the
episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the academic
bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well as
in up to 20 other states.
At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an
advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate
students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli
political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him by
asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded
this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students complaints.
In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom
first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University Professors.
The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set
forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many
teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their) own
opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is
teaching students "to think for themselves."
Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals
in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment to
real diversity and student rights.
But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic one.
"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so
strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian who
has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're
saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'
Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than
it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from
most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades to
conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.
Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior
Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism
in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the U.S.
invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview, Wolfe
vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of
support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she
had found nothing wrong with the course.
Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little sympathy
when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.
"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single day.
What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."
.
User: "Larry Hewitt"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 11:13:13 AM
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"cd" <seriouslycomplicated@aol.com> wrote in message
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Exactly....
Conservatives engage in mind-control over the weak. Anyone else with

the

ability to see thru the ***** is labeled.


"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
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And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of
the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

The only problem with this story is the fact that everyone who doesn't
submit to neo-fascist mind control is labeled a liberal and harrassed.
--
Chinese accordions suck.



Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't

yet

had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree with the
final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who will be
having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome that day and
their overt display of insane intolerance.

Actually, the North Carolina story is very old. It was a reading assignment
BEFORE the start of the 2003 school year. Chirstian legal organizations
decided to sue, not the students.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2178067.stm
Strangely, the objection was that the course and the book were not
comprehensive enough:
"It added that the book does not present a full picture of Islam as it does
not contain passages cited by Islamic militants as justification for acts of
terror. " So they really objected for political reasons to any course that
protrayed Islamists as people, not terrorists.
The objections were resolved - despite your lie that this has not gone to
court. The three students were allowed to remain stupid and instead wrote a
paper about why they wanted to remain stupid and not read the book.
The Columbia Universsity situation, while recent, is of the same vein. Right
wing activist organizations and news organizations are flogging this story,
not the students.
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1373
"Columbia University is the locus of a growing controversy over accusations
that three professors in the university's Middle East and Asian language and
culture department used their classes to brashly intimidate students that
supported Israeli policy. These charges are presented in a short documentary
by the pro-Israel group the David Project, titled "Columbia Unbecoming," and
in a series of articles and editorials in the conservative New York Sun.
These are grave charges, ___but they should be viewed with skepticism___
(emphasis added). The recent spate of right-wing smear campaigns against
academics who support opposing positions on foreign affairs, especially
related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, should give us pause in
evaluating the accusations at Columbia. In fact, the available evidence
lends itself to the supposition that it is the professors - and by extension
other academics with similar political perspectives - who are the ones being
subjected to intimidation. "
To emphasize, the evidence shows that it is the professors who are being
intimidated by the right wing activists.
And even your article notes that in the "third case", the vague Indiana and
Colorado incidents, it is the teachers who are getting the hate mail and
threats.
So, all I can cnlculde is that htis is more of the right wing's smear
campaign against academics. Especially when you include a situation that is
more than a year and a half old.
Larry
"

LN



Conservative students sue over academic freedom

At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.
In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are
pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.

The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.



Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or
administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions

and

teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking
academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to

a

classroom free from indoctrination.

In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them
around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of
"diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now,
conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a
greater openness to their viewpoints.

Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to
protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with

teachers

about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by
conservative students who support the war in Iraq.

To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this

latest

chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate

what

they don't want to be taught.

"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early
'70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former
president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas
Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal
dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing
students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid
exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part

of

education.

Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off
criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even

if

they represent inferior scholarship.

"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems
and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political
science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two

colleagues

targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."

Conservatives say a chill is in order.

A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated
that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide,
Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields
it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers

whose

workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign

were

the University of California system and Harvard University.

Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a
recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of
Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little
intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some
professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was

outside

the subject matter.

Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they
needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good
grade.

Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with
chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time
liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts
student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias
and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in

classes,

such as literature, in which it's off-topic.

Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly
opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only
getting half the story."

Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in
class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.

"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do

these

things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who
recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the
University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming
students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to
campus.

"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he

said.


So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the

students

lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word

"required"

in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs'
main objection).

In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an

"academic

bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities

agreed

to adopt its principles.

At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe

after

a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the
episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the

academic

bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well

as

in up to 20 other states.

At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an
advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate
students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli
political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him

by

asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded
this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students

complaints.


In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom
first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University

Professors.


The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set
forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many
teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their)

own

opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is
teaching students "to think for themselves."

Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals
in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment

to

real diversity and student rights.

But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic

one.


"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so
strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian

who

has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're
saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'

Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than
it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from
most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades

to

conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.

Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior
Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism
in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the

U.S.

invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview,

Wolfe

vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of
support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she
had found nothing wrong with the course.

Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little

sympathy

when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.

"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single

day.

What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."



.

User: "XeNO"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 01:03:54 AM


Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't
yet had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree with
the final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who will be
having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome that day and
their overt display of insane intolerance.

LN

The problem is that I have yet to meet a self-labeled conservative that has
an open mind.
I look at it like this, in a couple years when I'm in my pharmacology
doctorate program, I don't want to hear a classmate all of a sudden stating
"my god, god just made this cell immune to this penicillin!"
All jokes aside though, conservatives are much less likely to be approving
of other points of view, and this is always used on liberals conversly--that
we don't allow a conservative point of view. That really is up to the
individual to decide, I happen to believe that in any decision the good of
all parties must be considered, whereas the conservative has "moral"
concerns that must be met first. Selfishness is the way of conservatism, at
least with liberals by and large you have people that want to openly help
other people. (Socialized medicine, etc...)
Well all i need to look at is the stock index to realize that america is far
from being controlled by a liberal element.
Where the problem lies is that as time marches on, conservatives are getting
more conservative, and we liberals are the ones to blame.
Even on comedy central, on their year in review show... all you hear is
negativity... especially pay attention to Colin's section...
We show america all the bad parts of our society and that makes
conservatives more conservative. Nothing ever gets shown of the GOOD that
happens, and that is our biggest weakness. America IS slowly marching
towards a corporate theocracy and it will be brought in by the masses that
don't care about people at large, just themselves.
I know I've said alot, and especially at that last statement, am ready to
defend it.
--
"For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law
of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret
that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected
with this. "--Albert Einstein
XeNO
Order of the 8th dIgIt
aa# 1901
In order to email me privately, you must remove god from my email address,
and follow the links to get past my spam sheild.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 07:04:39 AM
"XeNO" <xeno6696@god.cox.net> wrote in message
news:309yd.3145$2_4.2359@okepread06...



Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't
yet had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree
with the final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who
will be having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome that
day and their overt display of insane intolerance.

LN



The problem is that I have yet to meet a self-labeled conservative that
has an open mind.

I look at it like this, in a couple years when I'm in my pharmacology
doctorate program, I don't want to hear a classmate all of a sudden
stating "my god, god just made this cell immune to this penicillin!"

All jokes aside though, conservatives are much less likely to be approving
of other points of view, and this is always used on liberals
conversly--that we don't allow a conservative point of view. That really
is up to the individual to decide, I happen to believe that in any
decision the good of all parties must be considered, whereas the
conservative has "moral" concerns that must be met first. Selfishness is
the way of conservatism, at least with liberals by and large you have
people that want to openly help other people. (Socialized medicine,
etc...)

Well all i need to look at is the stock index to realize that america is
far from being controlled by a liberal element.

Where the problem lies is that as time marches on, conservatives are
getting more conservative, and we liberals are the ones to blame.

Even on comedy central, on their year in review show... all you hear is
negativity... especially pay attention to Colin's section...

We show america all the bad parts of our society and that makes
conservatives more conservative. Nothing ever gets shown of the GOOD that
happens, and that is our biggest weakness. America IS slowly marching
towards a corporate theocracy and it will be brought in by the masses that
don't care about people at large, just themselves.

After wading through all the fluff you laid out, the above statement seems
to be your concluding beef. You state you that your ultimate concern/fear is
America is becoming a "Corporate/Theocracy" and you are well equipped to
defend that position....
Well do tell since that's is your claim. I can't see how you are going to
prove such a ludicrous assertion, but go ahead, let's hear your case with
cited credible evidence and proof....
LN

I know I've said alot, and especially at that last statement, am ready to
defend it.



--
"For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law
of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open
secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely
connected with this. "--Albert Einstein
XeNO
Order of the 8th dIgIt
aa# 1901
In order to email me privately, you must remove god from my email address,
and follow the links to get past my spam sheild.




.
User: "ouroboros rex"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 01:19:00 PM
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
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"XeNO" <xeno6696@god.cox.net> wrote in message
news:309yd.3145$2_4.2359@okepread06...



Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't
yet had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree
with the final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who
will be having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome
that day and their overt display of insane intolerance.

LN



The problem is that I have yet to meet a self-labeled conservative that
has an open mind.

I look at it like this, in a couple years when I'm in my pharmacology
doctorate program, I don't want to hear a classmate all of a sudden
stating "my god, god just made this cell immune to this penicillin!"

All jokes aside though, conservatives are much less likely to be
approving of other points of view, and this is always used on liberals
conversly--that we don't allow a conservative point of view. That really
is up to the individual to decide, I happen to believe that in any
decision the good of all parties must be considered, whereas the
conservative has "moral" concerns that must be met first. Selfishness is
the way of conservatism, at least with liberals by and large you have
people that want to openly help other people. (Socialized medicine,
etc...)

Well all i need to look at is the stock index to realize that america is
far from being controlled by a liberal element.

Where the problem lies is that as time marches on, conservatives are
getting more conservative, and we liberals are the ones to blame.

Even on comedy central, on their year in review show... all you hear is
negativity... especially pay attention to Colin's section...

We show america all the bad parts of our society and that makes
conservatives more conservative. Nothing ever gets shown of the GOOD
that happens, and that is our biggest weakness. America IS slowly
marching towards a corporate theocracy and it will be brought in by the
masses that don't care about people at large, just themselves.


After wading through all the fluff you laid out, the above statement seems
to be your concluding beef. You state you that your ultimate concern/fear
is America is becoming a "Corporate/Theocracy" and you are well equipped
to defend that position....

Well do tell since that's is your claim. I can't see how you are going to
prove such a ludicrous assertion, but go ahead, let's hear your case with
cited credible evidence and proof....

This, from needle-ham? roflmao
.


User: "Daniel Kolle"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 12:54:50 PM
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:03:54 -0600, "XeNO" <xeno6696@god.cox.net>
thought hard and said:



Actually the only problem with the story is these conservatives haven't
yet had their day in court. But when they do and if liberals disagree with
the final decision, the revealed fascist will be puke liberals who will be
having the tizzy fit and going out of their minds. I welcome that day and
their overt display of insane intolerance.

LN



The problem is that I have yet to meet a self-labeled conservative that has
an open mind.

Obviously you are not looking around enough.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
.





User: "Larry Hewitt"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 10:47:28 AM
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.
In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are
pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.

Yep. These students sued over the academic freedom to remain stupid.
Incoming freshmen were to read an interpretation of the Koran as part of a
lesson in diversity and human cultures. Readin about a religoin other than
their own was "offemnsive". Yet these same students have no problem foisting
their religion off on others.
Let 'em stay stupid. They don;t have to go to college.
Larry

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.

The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.



Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or
administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions

and

teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking
academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to

a

classroom free from indoctrination.

In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them
around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of
"diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now,
conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a
greater openness to their viewpoints.

Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to
protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with

teachers

about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by
conservative students who support the war in Iraq.

To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this

latest

chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate

what

they don't want to be taught.

"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early
'70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former
president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas
Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal
dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing
students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid
exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part

of

education.

Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off
criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even

if

they represent inferior scholarship.

"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems
and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political
science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two

colleagues

targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."

Conservatives say a chill is in order.

A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated
that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide,
Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields
it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers

whose

workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign

were

the University of California system and Harvard University.

Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a
recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of
Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little
intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some
professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was

outside

the subject matter.

Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they
needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good
grade.

Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with
chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time
liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts
student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias
and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in

classes,

such as literature, in which it's off-topic.

Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly
opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only
getting half the story."

Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in
class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.

"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do

these

things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who
recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the
University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming
students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to
campus.

"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he

said.


So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the

students

lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word

"required"

in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs'
main objection).

In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an

"academic

bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities

agreed

to adopt its principles.

At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe

after

a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the
episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the

academic

bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well

as

in up to 20 other states.

At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an
advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate
students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli
political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him

by

asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded
this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students

complaints.


In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom
first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University

Professors.


The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set
forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many
teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their)

own

opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is
teaching students "to think for themselves."

Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals
in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment

to

real diversity and student rights.

But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic

one.


"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so
strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian

who

has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're
saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'

Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than
it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from
most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades

to

conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.

Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior
Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism
in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the

U.S.

invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview,

Wolfe

vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of
support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she
had found nothing wrong with the course.

Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little

sympathy

when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.

"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single

day.

What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."





.

User: "The Pretzel"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 21 Dec 2004 09:56:11 PM
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:pV4yd.1678$yV1.1224@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

LN

Cool.
Let it get worse and worse LooN.
We should NEVER have fought that damn civil war. You idiots know nothing of
reason, progressive thought or critical thinking. Keep praying to the lord.
Start faith based healing. With all of your neocon ideas you guys will have
dropped your life expectancy down to about 40 years of age average. Your
"Science" will have turned to ***** 'cause every conceived law in scientific
THEORY will have the words "Then a miracle occurs" inserted among the rest of
your Rightarded Christian postulates. You guys want to race toward the
stone-age?
FINE.
Who are we to stop you? I don't want to be forced along....

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.
In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are
pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.

The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.



Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or
administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions and
teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking
academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to a
classroom free from indoctrination.

In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them
around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of
"diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now,
conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a
greater openness to their viewpoints.

Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to
protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with teachers
about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by
conservative students who support the war in Iraq.

To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest
chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what
they don't want to be taught.

"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early
'70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former
president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas
Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal
dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing
students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid
exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part of
education.

Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off
criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even if
they represent inferior scholarship.

"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems
and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political
science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two colleagues
targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."

Conservatives say a chill is in order.

A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated
that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide,
Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields
it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers whose
workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign were
the University of California system and Harvard University.

Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a
recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of
Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little
intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some
professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was outside
the subject matter.

Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they
needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good
grade.

Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with
chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time
liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts
student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias
and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in classes,
such as literature, in which it's off-topic.

Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly
opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only
getting half the story."

Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in
class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.

"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do these
things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who
recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the
University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming
students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to
campus.

"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he said.

So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the students
lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word "required"
in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs'
main objection).

In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an "academic
bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities agreed
to adopt its principles.

At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe after
a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the
episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the academic
bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well as
in up to 20 other states.

At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an
advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate
students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli
political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him by
asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded
this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students complaints.

In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom
first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University Professors.

The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set
forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many
teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their) own
opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is
teaching students "to think for themselves."

Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals
in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment to
real diversity and student rights.

But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic one.

"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so
strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian who
has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're
saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'

Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than
it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from
most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades to
conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.

Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior
Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism
in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the U.S.
invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview, Wolfe
vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of
support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she
had found nothing wrong with the course.

Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little sympathy
when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.

"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single day.
What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."





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User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: Conservative Students Fight Back 22 Dec 2004 01:49:01 PM
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
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And they do so using the left's own tactics and also in the spirit of the
radical left wing.

Ya gotta just love it!

What? More Reich wing propaganda and lies?
"The left's own tactics" = using the courts and the Constitution to fight
for one's civil rights?
It's ironic that the right, whaich ALWAYS does its best to bypass and
ignoire the Constitution, should now USE the (left tactics) OF the
Constitution to defend THEIR "rights".


LN

http://courttv.com/news/2004/1220/students_ap.html#continue


Conservative students sue over academic freedom

At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a
reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.

????????????????
Evolution?
Obviously what is missed (as it always is in Reich wing propaganda) ... what
is brought UP in a law suit means little --- it is how the actino is SETTLED
that means everything.
BTW .. the students who are suing ... are they using those demonized (by the
same Reich wing) "trial lawyers" to do their dirty work?

In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student
allegations of left-wing bias by professors.

"publicizes" does NOT equal FACT!
Faculty get hate mail and are

pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher
received a death threat.

Now THAT is more like the actions of the Reich wing!!!!!

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that
teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of
administrators.

Again ... what is FACT - and what is mere Reiech wing propaganda.
You'll never know from THIS pile or propaganda.

The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of
growing prominence on college campuses.

The Reich wing is ever expanding it's propaganda, and its fanatical,
deragned, misuse of reality to gain more power and influence.
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 21 Dec 2004 11:56:11 PM
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, during the Nuremberg trial
http://icasualties.org/oif/
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AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec aka

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1324 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "The Last Liberal"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 25 Dec 2004 05:19:57 PM
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking
AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering, during
the Nuremberg trial

http://icasualties.org/oif/

All those deaths and maimings.... because a homicidal
schizophrenic heard a voice telling him to kill. Until the year
Bush2 started his killing spree, I had thought Western
civilization was finally beyond the ability for despots to take
over a country.

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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec aka



The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1324 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

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"I ***** flaming napalm upon your straw man." -- Curtis Johnson
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User: "Fredric L. Rice"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 26 Dec 2004 11:30:15 AM
(The Last Liberal) wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking
AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering, during
the Nuremberg trial
http://icasualties.org/oif/

All those deaths and maimings.... because a homicidal
schizophrenic heard a voice telling him to kill.

Bush has said a number of times that the Christian gods told him to invade
Iraq. The mass murdering butcher said that it was his Christian duty to
invade and slaughter innocent people -- half of them kids under 18.
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"rightards". Very nice of your liberal sorry fucked
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disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 22 Dec 2004 05:23:56 PM
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting
*****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yet another yang fabrication.
The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****

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User: "Kyle Daulton"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 22 Dec 2004 07:14:27 PM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting
*****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:


Yet another yang fabrication.

The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.

Really? In which page(s) of the report can I find that?
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User: "Edw"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 22 Dec 2004 07:43:45 PM
"Kyle Daulton" <KDaulton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting
*****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:


Yet another yang fabrication.

The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.


Really? In which page(s) of the report can I find that?

Nice. You shut him up.



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User: "The Last Liberal"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 25 Dec 2004 05:23:12 PM
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:14:27 GMT, "Kyle Daulton"
<KDaulton@yahoo.com> wrote:

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:gf0ks0prgggd94ipf2mfir29gsq5394b7s@4ax.com...

The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.

Really? In which page(s) of the report can I find that?

The page that "Duke" pulled out of his *****.
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 23 Dec 2004 04:37:33 AM
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:14:27 GMT, "Kyle Daulton" <KDaulton@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yet another yang fabrication.
The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.

Really? In which page(s) of the report can I find that?

I don't know. I just heard what they said.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****

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User: "Kyle Daulton"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 23 Dec 2004 04:46:00 AM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:14:27 GMT, "Kyle Daulton" <KDaulton@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Yet another yang fabrication.


The 911 commission cleared him of any lies.


Really? In which page(s) of the report can I find that?


I don't know. I just heard what they said.

Really? Which members said it? When? What were the words?
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: 1325th GI Killed BY AWOL's Big Lie. Mission Accomplished! 23 Dec 2004 04:53:07 PM
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:46:00 GMT, "Kyle Daulton" <KDaulton@yahoo.com> wrote:


"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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