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18 Mar 2007 09:42:02 PM |
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consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
On Mar 16, 1:49 pm, classicliberal2 <classicliber...@operamail.com>
wrote in Re: Vegetative woman awakens, again, from vegetative state:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:34:19 -0800, 3198 Dead
<zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
Terri Schiavo's brain was not "liquefied."
Does anyone here think Terri *didn't* feel pain while
being dehydrated to death?
If they do, they're misinformed. Having no cerebral
cortex (among many other relevant problems), the
remains of Terri Schiavo had no means to feel or
process pain--experiencing pain was, in fact,
physically impossible.
Do you see any incorrect claims below?
They weren't so much "incorrect" as "delusional"
And in the case of Hammesfahr and Law, outright liars
and charlatans.
Details?
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.820440.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Also, Michael lied in alleging that....
iv. Michael lied at....
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September 2002 William Hammesfahr report (Hammesfahr was "nominated"
for a Nobel by a congressman, not by a Nobel committee)
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3aq5f3F6dhsi9U1%40individual.net
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a
Terri nursing home from March 1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3am3raF6b8ckoU1%40individual.net
March 2004 affidavit of Heidi Law
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3b14leF6hsrb0U1%40individual.net
23 March 2005 William Cheshire affidavit: someone is there; Terri can
anticipate and feel pain
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3ak2l1F6att0vU1%40individual.net
August 2003 Alexander Gimon affidavit
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3am219F6b8bn7U1%40individual.net
December 2003 Carla Sauer Iyer, who
worked from April 1995 to 11 August 1996
where Terri was
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3al49lF6ajhdbU1%40individual.net
9 May 2001 Trudy Capone re: pre-Feb-1993 malpractice settlement
timeframe and after the settlement
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3aldurF67edg6U1%40individual.net
August 2003 C. Johnson re: about 1993, post-settlement
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3aqd2vF6bflpbU1%40individual.net
2005 Nora Wagner: Terri Feels Pain
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504091947.7ef10df3%40posting.google.com
Michael Schiavo ex-girlfriend Cindy speaks
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504151723.4c0b915e%40posting.google.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
19 Mar 2007 12:11:23 PM |
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In article <1174272122.154136.31070@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
dford3@gl.umbc.edu says...
On Mar 16, 1:49 pm, classicliberal2 <classicliber...@operamail.com>
wrote in Re: Vegetative woman awakens, again, from vegetative state:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:34:19 -0800, 3198 Dead
<zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
Terri Schiavo's brain was not "liquefied."
Does anyone here think Terri *didn't* feel pain while
being dehydrated to death?
If they do, they're misinformed. Having no cerebral
cortex (among many other relevant problems), the
remains of Terri Schiavo had no means to feel or
process pain--experiencing pain was, in fact,
physically impossible.
Do you see any incorrect claims below?
They weren't so much "incorrect" as "delusional"
And in the case of Hammesfahr and Law, outright liars
and charlatans.
Details?
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, I consider him a hero, and her parents and brother scumbags.
BDK
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
19 Mar 2007 10:09:37 PM |
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On Mar 19, 1:11 pm, BDK <B...@twilight-express.com> wrote:
In article <1174272122.154136.31...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu:
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, I consider him a hero, and her parents and brother scumbags.
"I consider him a hero"
For doing what?
"I consider... her parents and brother scumbags"
For doing what?
Do you see someone you consider "a hero" mentioned below?
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported
the killing of Baby Knauer?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
19 Mar 2007 02:22:58 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2007 19:42:02 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 16, 1:49 pm, classicliberal2 <classicliber...@operamail.com>
wrote in Re: Vegetative woman awakens, again, from vegetative state:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:34:19 -0800, 3198 Dead
<zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
Terri Schiavo's brain was not "liquefied."
Does anyone here think Terri *didn't* feel pain while
being dehydrated to death?
If they do, they're misinformed. Having no cerebral
cortex (among many other relevant problems), the
remains of Terri Schiavo had no means to feel or
process pain--experiencing pain was, in fact,
physically impossible.
Do you see any incorrect claims below?
They weren't so much "incorrect" as "delusional"
And in the case of Hammesfahr and Law, outright liars
and charlatans.
Details?
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, but I consider *you* one.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
19 Mar 2007 10:12:55 PM |
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On Mar 19, 3:22 am, John Baker <n...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 18 Mar 2007 19:42:02 -0700, wrote:
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, but I consider *you* one.
Concerning what subject(s)?
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Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "classicliberal2" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
19 Mar 2007 10:36:25 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:22:58 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, but I consider *you* one.
No one can know what's in someone else's heart, but it's
a fact that there's absolutely nothing in the record that
remotely suggests Michael Schiavo was anything other
than an honorable man trying, at INCREDIBLE personal
disadvantage, to do what he thought was the right
thing. The Evil Mike caricature offered to the world by
the Schindlers makes them a disgrace to the human race.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: consider Michael Schiavo a liar? |
20 Mar 2007 06:57:50 AM |
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On Mar 19, 11:36 am, classicliberal2 <classicliber...@operamail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:22:58 -0400, John Baker <n...@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Do you consider Michael Schiavo an "outright lia[r]"?
No, but I consider *you* one.
No one can know what's in someone else's heart, but it's
a fact that there's absolutely nothing in the record that
remotely suggests Michael Schiavo was anything other
than an honorable man trying, at INCREDIBLE personal
disadvantage, to do what he thought was the right
thing. The Evil Mike caricature offered to the world by
the Schindlers makes them a disgrace to the human race.
"there's absolutely nothing in the record that remotely suggests
Michael Schiavo was anything other than an honorable man"
If Terri had been killed in 1995, how much money would Michael have
received?
"there's absolutely nothing in the record that remotely suggests
Michael Schiavo was anything other than an honorable man"
Suppose Michael refused to allow antibiotic treatment for a bacterial
infection that Terri had contracted, the result being that Terri died
of the infection. In that scenario, would Michael be "an honorable
man," in your view?
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Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.820440.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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