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"Auric Hellman" |
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25 Jan 2005 05:54:47 AM |
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Contaminated Stem Cells |
This continuing obsession by certain members of the science
establishment that experimenting with human stem cells will somehow
benefit crippled people is both ghoulish and repugnant. Frankenstein
was a myth, so is stem cell research.
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Contaminated Stem Cells
Mon 01-24-2005 , 5:03 pm
UW researchers say California study results are no surprise
A new study released by scientists at the University of California -
San Diego says all of the existing federally funded stem cell lines are
contaminated, but UW researchers say this is no surprise. According to
Terry Devitt, UW director of research and communications, the human
embryonic stem cells are grown in a culture that includes animal cells.
He says the presence of animal cells compromises the use of these stem
cell lines in treating humans, but these cell lines were developed for
research, never intended for use in humans.
''It's always been known that new lines would need to be derived and
grown in the absence of animal cells for those to be useful in the
clinic.'' Devitt says.
He adds, they are working on a way to grow human stem cells without the
animal cells, but it is just one of the challenges ahead.
Researchers say they will need new, uncontaminated stem cell lines for
the clinical studies, but that won't happen for at least five years.
The Bush administration in 2001 limited federal funding for new stem
cells, but Devitt says the research can still be done with private
funds.
This type of stem cell research is controversial because human embryos
have to be destroyed to harvest the cells. Researchers say stem cells
may hold the cure to many health problems, including Parkinson's
disease, alzheimers, diabetes and spinal cord injuries.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 03:15:33 AM |
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On 24 Jan 2005 21:54:47 -0800, "Auric Hellman"
<adhellman@volcanomail.com> said in alt.atheism:
This type of stem cell research is controversial because human embryos
have to be destroyed to harvest the cells.
Embryos that will be destroyed whether their stem cells are put to use
or not.
Researchers say stem cells
may hold the cure to many health problems, including Parkinson's
disease, alzheimers, diabetes and spinal cord injuries.
And cretinists want to make sure that if such science DOES come to
pass the US will have to pay other countries to benefit from it.
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| User: "old hoodoo" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 03:49:33 AM |
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Here's the deal: If you want to ban stem cell research, ban abortion.
If you can't ban abortion, don't ban stem cell
research....to many people may benefit enormously and its an unfortunate
bi product of a sleazy, but legal practice.
I find stem cell research terribly offensive, as I find abortion
terribly offensive, but what I find more offensive is not permitting
stem cell research when stem cells are available.
I don't have religious scruples about abortion, I just have certain
absolutes...why should women be permitted to kill
children because they were too ignorant, lazy, or stupid to take the
pill? Cry me a river. I have listened to women whine about how they
aren't "ready" for such a burden....abstinence is a choice, or take some
responsibility for your own body for Christsake...OOPs.
If a woman wants privacy she should take the pill and not tell anyone
about it...that is a right to privacy...not killing your baby.
Life should have consequences. If the women don't want the children
give them up.,,or maybe use some common sense.
Ok, rape victims, etc. have a valid point and of course should be
permitted a choice. Sometimes a choice has to be made and the victim
should be the one to make it.
I know it is just my opinion, but I don't think an unresonable one.
Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Jan 2005 21:54:47 -0800, "Auric Hellman"
<adhellman@volcanomail.com> said in alt.atheism:
This type of stem cell research is controversial because human embryos
have to be destroyed to harvest the cells.
Embryos that will be destroyed whether their stem cells are put to use
or not.
Researchers say stem cells
may hold the cure to many health problems, including Parkinson's
disease, alzheimers, diabetes and spinal cord injuries.
And cretinists want to make sure that if such science DOES come to
pass the US will have to pay other countries to benefit from it.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 04:46:52 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:49:33 -0600, old hoodoo
<alflags@cox-internet.com> said in alt.atheism:
Here's the deal: If you want to ban stem cell research, ban abortion.
If you can't ban abortion, don't ban stem cell
research.
Why? Stem cells can be obtained without abortions.
I don't have religious scruples about abortion, I just have certain
absolutes...why should women be permitted to kill
children because they were too ignorant, lazy, or stupid to take the
pill?
How about pregnancies occurring WITH the pill (and a condom)?
Women who have had their tubes tied have later conceived.
Women have gotten pregnant, then have found out that the pregnancy was
threatening their health or life.
Cry me a river. I have listened to women whine about how they
aren't "ready" for such a burden....abstinence is a choice
So is having sex. Neither one should carry any inherent burden.
If a woman wants privacy she should take the pill and not tell anyone
about it.
And if she gets pregnant anyway?
Life should have consequences.
What 'consequences' should sex have for a man?
If the women don't want the children give them up.
And if a woman doesn't want pregnancy?
Ok, rape victims, etc. have a valid point and of course should be
permitted a choice.
Then you're NOT against killing a fetus, you're against women having
the right to have sex without fear of pregnancy if birth control
fails.
I know it is just my opinion, but I don't think an unresonable one.
If you're not a pregnant woman, trying to be part of the decision
about abortion is unreasonable.
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"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
25 Jan 2005 06:41:22 AM |
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On 24 Jan 2005 21:54:47 -0800, "Auric Hellman"
<adhellman@volcanomail.com> wrote:
This continuing obsession by certain members of the science
establishment that experimenting with human stem cells will somehow
benefit crippled people is both ghoulish and repugnant. Frankenstein
was a myth, so is stem cell research.
And yet it'll be fatasses like you begging for the miracle of medical
science when too many HoHos clog up your veins....
http://www.wkowtv.com/$spindb.!query.1listnews.storeview.13907.news
Contaminated Stem Cells
Mon 01-24-2005 , 5:03 pm
UW researchers say California study results are no surprise
A new study released by scientists at the University of California -
San Diego says all of the existing federally funded stem cell lines are
contaminated, but UW researchers say this is no surprise. According to
Terry Devitt, UW director of research and communications, the human
embryonic stem cells are grown in a culture that includes animal cells.
He says the presence of animal cells compromises the use of these stem
cell lines in treating humans, but these cell lines were developed for
research, never intended for use in humans.
''It's always been known that new lines would need to be derived and
grown in the absence of animal cells for those to be useful in the
clinic.'' Devitt says.
He adds, they are working on a way to grow human stem cells without the
animal cells, but it is just one of the challenges ahead.
Researchers say they will need new, uncontaminated stem cell lines for
the clinical studies, but that won't happen for at least five years.
The Bush administration in 2001 limited federal funding for new stem
cells, but Devitt says the research can still be done with private
funds.
This type of stem cell research is controversial because human embryos
have to be destroyed to harvest the cells. Researchers say stem cells
may hold the cure to many health problems, including Parkinson's
disease, alzheimers, diabetes and spinal cord injuries.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1372 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 03:16:19 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:22 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And yet it'll be fatasses like you begging for the miracle of medical
science when too many HoHos clog up your veins....
We ought to pass a law that Luddites can't take advantage of the
science they hate.
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"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 06:34:23 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:16:19 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:22 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And yet it'll be fatasses like you begging for the miracle of medical
science when too many HoHos clog up your veins....
We ought to pass a law that Luddites can't take advantage of the
science they hate.
I agree.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1379 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Auric Hellman" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 05:40:53 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:16:19 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:22 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking
AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And yet it'll be fatasses like you begging for the miracle of
medical
science when too many HoHos clog up your veins....
We ought to pass a law that Luddites can't take advantage of the
science they hate.
I agree.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1379 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
Adult stem cells are one thing, creepy as that sounds, but embryonic
stem cells are another matter. To create life only so that we may kill
it for science is barbaric in it's reasoning. I'll leave it for the
sages to dispute whether these lives constitute the definition of
"human being". We all have to die from something; killing to pro-long
the life of a sick person is itself sick.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
26 Jan 2005 08:39:16 PM |
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On 26 Jan 2005 09:40:53 -0800, "Auric Hellman"
<adhellman@volcanomail.com> said in alt.atheism:
Adult stem cells are one thing, creepy as that sounds, but embryonic
stem cells are another matter. To create life only so that we may kill
it for science is barbaric in it's reasoning.
The government prohibits funding for stem cell research if the cells
derive from embryos that are going to be destroyed whether stem cells
are harvested or not (in vitro fertilization usually results in more
embryos than are wanted), so the reason the embryos exist and their
eventual fate don't change in the slightest whether stem cells are
harvested or not.
The ONLY choice is do we destroy the entire embryo or do we first
harvest the stem cells and then destroy the rest of the embryo. Not
harvesting the stem cells before destroying the embryo is sheer
stupidity - something this administration is exceptionally good at.
Stem cell harvesting should be REQUIRED, unless the donors
specifically request that it not be done. (I think stem cell
harvesting of umbilical cord blood should also be mandatory when
practical, with the same provision.)
We all have to die from something; killing to pro-long
the life of a sick person is itself sick.
Using science to turn a sick person into a healthy person isn't,
especially if, as in the case of harvesting embryonic stem cells from
in vitro fertilization, nothing is being killed IN ORDER TO treat the
sick person, but feel free to never use medical science again if you
think doing so is sick.
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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Contaminated Stem Cells |
27 Jan 2005 02:05:17 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:54:47 -0800, Auric Hellman wrote:
This continuing obsession by certain members of the science establishment
that experimenting with human stem cells will somehow benefit crippled
people is both ghoulish and repugnant. Frankenstein was a myth, so is stem
cell research.
I'm guessing here, but I suspect that you don't hold a PhD in Molecular
Biology?
Whether or not you find it "ghoulish and repugnant", stem cell research
could lead to new treatments for diseases that would make the invention of
antibiotics and public sanitation pale in comparison. Of course, you
could always just pray for miracles.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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