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Contraception: Why It's Wrong |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1803121/posts
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
Catholic Culture ^ | 3/15/2007 | Dr. Jeff Mirus
Posted on 03/19/2007 5:46:55 AM PDT by markomalley
The recent debate over contraception between Fr. Thomas Euteneuer of
Human Life International and nationally syndicated talk-show host Sean
Hannity has brought to center stage an issue which most Americans-and
most Catholics-simply do not understand. Let's review what's wrong
with contraception.
The intrinsic moral issue of artificial contraception is a marriage
issue. Contraception has little or no intrinsic moral relevance
outside of marriage. This contributes to the difficulty our culture
has in understanding the problem, because our culture doesn't
understand marriage either. After all, only about half of all couples
are formally married. For this reason, it is perhaps best to start
with what we might call the extrinsic moral issues associated with
contraception, which apply to all sexual relations.
The Consequences of Contraception
I am using the word "extrinsic" to apply to the consequences of
contraception as opposed to its own essential moral character.
Catholics are not consequentialists, and we don't determine the
morality of an act by attempting to foresee all its consequences. But
we do determine the prudence of an act by assessing its potential
consequences. For this reason, it is highly instructive to examine the
extrinsic moral issues associated with contraception.
Even morally neutral acts can have good or bad consequences and should
be selected or avoided accordingly. It is a morally neutral act, for
example, to dam a river, but one wants to be pretty sure of the
consequences before one builds the dam. So too, many moralists have
argued (I believe correctly) that contraception is morally neutral in
itself when considered outside of marriage. But contraception
suppresses the natural outcome of sexual intercourse, and in so doing
it has two immediate and devastating consequences.
First, it engenders a casual attitude toward sexual relations. An
action which, because of the possibility of conceiving a child, makes
demands on the stability of the couple is stripped by contraception of
its long-term meaning. The mutual commitment of a couple implied by
the very nature of this intimate self-giving is now overshadowed by
the fact that the most obvious (though not necessarily the most
important) reason for that commitment has been eliminated. This
clearly contributes to the rise of casual sex, and the rise of casual
sex has enormous implications for psychological and emotional well-
being, personal and public health, and social cohesion.
Second, it shifts the emphasis in sexual relations from fruitfulness
to pleasure. Naturally-speaking, the sexual act finds its full meaning
in both emotional intimacy and the promise of offspring. For human
persons, sex is clearly oriented toward love and the creation of new
life. By eliminating the possibility of new life and the permanent
bonding it demands, contraception reduces the meaning of human
sexuality to pleasure and, at best, a truncated or wounded sort of
commitment. Moreover, if the meaning of human sexuality is primarily a
meaning of pleasure, then any sexual act which brings pleasure is of
equal value. It is no surprise that pornography and homosexuality have
mushroomed, while marriage has declined, since the rise of the
"contraceptive mentality". Abortion too has skyrocketed as a backup
procedure based on the expectation that contracepton should render sex
child-free. All of this, too, is psychologically, emotionally and
physically damaging, as well as destructive of the social order.
The Intrinsic Evil of Contraception
Now all of these evil consequences apply both inside and outside of
marriage. Within marriage, however, there is an intrinsic moral
problem with contraception quite apart from its horrendous
consequences. Outside of marriage, sexual relations are already
disordered. They have no proper ends and so the frustration of these
ends through contraception is intrinsically morally irrelevant.
Outside of marriage, contraception is to be avoided for its
consequences (consequences surely made worse by the difficulty of
psychologically separating contraception from its marital meaning).
But within marriage, the context changes and the act of contraception
itself becomes intrinsically disordered.
Within the context of marriage, the purposes of sexual intercourse are
unitive and procreative (as Pope Paul VI taught in his brilliant and
prophetic encyclical Humanae Vitae). It is worth remembering that
there is no proper context for sexual intercourse apart from marriage;
this is why it is impossible for human persons to psychologically
separate contraception from the marital context. But the point here is
that marriage has certain ends (the procreation of children, the
stability of society, the mutual happiness of the couple, and their
mutual sanctification) and so does sex within marriage. The purposes
of the marital act are the procreation of children and the progressive
unification of the spouses. These two purposes are intimately related,
for it is through marriage that a man and a woman become "two in one
flesh", both through sexual relations and, literally, in their
offspring.
It is intrinsically immoral to frustrate either of these purposes. Let
me repeat this statement. It is immoral to choose deliberately to
frustrate either the unitive or the procreative ends of marital
intercourse. It is immoral to make of your spouse an object of your
pleasure, to coerce your spouse, or to engage in sexual relations in a
manner or under conditions which communicate callousness or contempt.
These things frustrate the unitive purpose. It is also immoral to take
deliberate steps to prevent an otherwise potentially fruitful coupling
from bearing fruit. This frustrates the procreative purpose.
Related Issues
Because it causes so much confusion, it is necessary to state that it
is not intrinsically immoral to choose to engage in sexual relations
with your spouse at times when these relations are not likely to be
fruitful. The moral considerations which govern this decision revolve
around the obligation married couples have to be genuinely open to
children insofar as they can provide for their material well-being and
proper formation. There is nothing in this question of timing that
frustrates the purposes of a particular marriage act.
Statistically, couples who avoid contraception find that their
marriages are strengthened, their happiness increased, and their
health improved. Some of these considerations are topics for another
day. But Fr. Euteneuer is clearly correct and Sean Hannity is clearly
wrong. Contraception is a grave evil within marriage and has grave
consequences not only within marriage but outside of marriage as well.
Both individual couples and society as a whole will mature into deeper
happiness by freeing themselves from the false promises of
contraception, and from its moral lies.
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01 Apr 2007 10:17:06 AM |
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In article <r07v035n9i2vcpoupu20bp1r0fjbdu812m@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:01:17 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
There's always a onesie or twosie. All Christians know that God gives us
what
we need, in prayer, and not what we want.
How do you know this? You can't even prove a god exists.
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
the same "all evidence" that you can produce or cite none of, right?
*smirk*
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01 Apr 2007 10:25:54 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:49:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<r07v035n9i2vcpoupu20bp1r0fjbdu812m@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:01:17 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
There's always a onesie or twosie. All Christians know that God gives us what
we need, in prayer, and not what we want.
How do you know this? You can't even prove a god exists.
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does.
What you know is irrelevant. You have asserted a god exists. Prove
it.
All
evidence demands that.
What evidence? Do not include any ambiguities.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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01 Apr 2007 12:41:34 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:01:17 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
There's always a onesie or twosie. All Christians know that God gives us what
we need, in prayer, and not what we want.
How do you know this? You can't even prove a god exists.
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Question for duke: Why does god hate amputees? (Re: Contraception: It's Wrong? Why??) |
01 Apr 2007 12:59:56 PM |
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On 01 Apr 2007 17:41:34 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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01 Apr 2007 01:41:56 PM |
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In article <2osv03lvsfiuncmmhmgv8f03vsgl393no3@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
is this the same "evidence" which you are unable to provide?
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01 Apr 2007 04:00:10 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:41:56 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
is this the same "evidence" which you are unable to provide?
Oh, I provide it on a regular basis.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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01 Apr 2007 07:04:55 PM |
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In article <m9701392voie0n5odmlkf5e8fg3lv7uhti@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:41:56 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
is this the same "evidence" which you are unable to provide?
Oh, I provide it on a regular basis.
you'll need to confess that lie, dukie.
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01 Apr 2007 06:08:33 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:00:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<m9701392voie0n5odmlkf5e8fg3lv7uhti@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:41:56 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
is this the same "evidence" which you are unable to provide?
Oh, I provide it on a regular basis.
Reference please. Be specific.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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01 Apr 2007 03:17:19 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:59:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<2osv03lvsfiuncmmhmgv8f03vsgl393no3@4ax.com> wrote:
On 01 Apr 2007 17:41:34 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
What evidence? Please exclude ambiguities.
Do you know what that means?
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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01 Apr 2007 04:01:47 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:17:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
What evidence? Please exclude ambiguities.
Do you know what that means?
To you, the truth.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 06:10:00 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:01:47 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<3d7013lq1flo5301effujvhnlnh22l31n6@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:17:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
What evidence? Please exclude ambiguities.
Do you know what that means?
To you, the truth.
You *don't* know what it means! Amusing.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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02 Apr 2007 10:23:45 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:17:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
What evidence? Please exclude ambiguities.
Do you know what that means?
To you, the truth.
Nice evasion.
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01 Apr 2007 05:08:53 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
All evidence proves that you're a liar. So why should we believe the
irrational babblings of a known liar?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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01 Apr 2007 01:48:16 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:2osv03lvsfiuncmmhmgv8f03vsgl393no3@4ax.com:
On 01 Apr 2007 17:41:34 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does.
All evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
There, you just lied again Puke. You keep claiming this same kind of bs
but you have NEVER provided any of this non-existent "evidence" you
continue to spout-off about. You are a fool as well as a liar.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 04:01:14 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:48:16 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
There, you just lied again Puke. You keep claiming this same kind of bs
but you have NEVER provided any of this non-existent "evidence" you
continue to spout-off about.
Of course I have.
You are a fool as well as a liar.
Not a chance.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 07:01:32 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:tb701394vg0j3hlh2qr79i25enmpcv06a4@4ax.com:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:48:16 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
All evidence demands the existence of God.
There, you just lied again Puke. You keep claiming this same kind of
bs
but you have NEVER provided any of this non-existent "evidence" you
continue to spout-off about.
Of course I have.
Liar.
You are a fool as well as a liar.
Not a chance.
Fool.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Apr 2007 10:26:41 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 01 Apr 2007 17:41:34 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence
shows that you're a *****-minded liar who follows the
teaching of pederasts.
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01 Apr 2007 01:43:19 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 01 Apr 2007 17:41:34 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
I don't have to be able to prove his existence to know that he does. All
evidence demands that.
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
False.
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01 Apr 2007 04:00:39 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:43:19 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.con> wrote:
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
False.
There is NO evidence for the non existence of almighty God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 04:10:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:43:19 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.con> wrote:
I don't have to prove that you're a liar. All the evidence shows it.
All evidence demands the existence of God.
False.
There is NO evidence for
the existence of "god".
Right.
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31 Mar 2007 01:28:22 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 30 Mar 2007 16:05:32 -0700, "Rudy Canoza" <notgenxagain@yahoo.com> wrote:
People who have lost limbs pray to have their intact limb back, or to
grow a new one.
You're kidding............right?
No, duck, I'm not.
No, you can't possibly be serious.
Yes, puke, I am serious,
No, you can't be serious.
Completely serious, puke.
You've never met a person that did that.
How would you know, puke?
We *both* know that at some time, an amputee prayed sincerely to be
whole again.
There's always a
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
It is impossible that "god" would consider some cancer
victims to "need" to be cured of cancer, but would
never consider any amputees "need" to be made whole
again. Impossible.
You lied, and now your empty ***** sophistry has
been demolished.
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01 Apr 2007 06:50:28 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:28:22 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.con> wrote:
We *both* know that at some time, an amputee prayed sincerely to be
whole again.
There's always a
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
2. Christians know that God gives us what we need.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 02:40:02 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:28:22 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.con>
wrote:
We *both* know that at some time, an amputee prayed sincerely to be
whole again.
There's always a
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
Satan is a construct of YOUR mythology.
Satan does not exist outside of your fevered imagination.
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Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
2. Christians know that God gives us what we need.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 04:02:46 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:40:02 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
Satan is a construct of YOUR mythology.
Satan does not exist outside of your fevered imagination.
Thank God, who I believe in.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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01 Apr 2007 06:52:39 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:40:02 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
Satan is a construct of YOUR mythology.
Satan does not exist outside of your fevered imagination.
Thank God, who I believe in.
You thank god for creating Satan?
You're madder than we thought.
Smiler,
The godless one
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02 Apr 2007 12:02:53 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:40:02 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what ***** I'll try.
Right.
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02 Apr 2007 10:23:24 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:40:02 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
Satan is a construct of YOUR mythology.
Satan does not exist outside of your fevered imagination.
Thank God, who I believe in.
....irrationally.
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02 Apr 2007 02:49:43 PM |
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"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.con> wrote in message
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:40:02 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com>
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LOTS of amputees have prayed to be whole again, puke.
Millions, in fact. You lied.
1. Atheists don't, unless they prayed to satan.
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
You are the fool who makes false claims and lies about atheists.
You've just doen it aboe, yet you will still continue to lie and claim that
you haven't.
Your a remarkable piece of work, duke, an absolute poster child for lying
Christian fundamentalists.
Satan is a construct of YOUR mythology.
Satan does not exist outside of your fevered imagination.
Thank God, who I believe in.
...irrationally.
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Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Question for duke: Why does god hate amputees? (Re: Contraception: It's Wrong? Why??) |
02 Apr 2007 04:34:13 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:49:43 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
You are the fool who makes false claims and lies about atheists.
Nope, a fool says there is no God.
Happy holidays.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Question for duke: Why does god hate amputees? (Re: Contraception: It's Wrong? Why??) |
02 Apr 2007 05:39:25 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:34:13 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<7kt213tnh0co750q8ceupo8psu4b79vsms@4ax.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:49:43 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
Why would an atheist pray Satan, moron?
There's no telling what drives you fools. BTW, happy holiday.
You are the fool who makes false claims and lies about atheists.
Nope, a fool says there is no God.
A fool says what he cannot support.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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