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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Kant"
Date: 15 Sep 2005 10:45:00 PM
Object: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation
Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of organism
imitates or "mimics" another type.
Most examples of mimicry are found among insects, although other animals and
even some plants exhibit this capability.The extraordinary perfection of
mimicry among insects is so great that it can successfully deceive a skilled
naturalist who is watching for that very thing.In fact, it is often so
perfect that it can bamboozle other insects being mimicked to the extent
that the mimic can live among his enemies undetected!For example, spiders
can disguise themselves as ants.While this may not sound particularly
impressive at first, it is actually quite clever because spiders have eight
legs whereas ants only have six legs and two antennae.To fool the ants,
the spider holds his front pair of legs over his forehead and wiggles them
like antennae.To further authenticate the deception, the spider also
imitates the jerky gait and feed movements of the ants.Some spiders have
even been observed carrying the skeletons of ants over their bodies to
disguise themselves.
The caterpillar of the Lobster moth of Britain is another fascinating
example of mimicry.It has modified it's legs to hang down like the scales of
the surrounding buds of the beech tree.Luckily (or so the evolutionists
imagines) they are the proper number, length, color, and shape for this very
purpose!When this larva is attacked it lowers flaps on it's sides,which
uncover black "wounds" that trick the attacker into thinking that it has
already fallen victim to another parasite.Disappointed,the enemy
departs.Such precise, intricate, and carefully reasoned mimicry leaves the
evolutionist completely speechless and dumbfounded.Some mimics fool their
predators by resembling stinging or bad tasting models, which the predators
naturally avoid.For example, many species of butterflies mimic monarchs or
other unpalatable butterflies, or moths.Some species of flies mimic bees or
hornets.Equally bewildering to the evolutionist is the fact that sometimes
only one sex of a species will mimic while the other will not. Sometimes the
predator rather than prey becomes the mimic.One species of desert lizard
entices insects to their death by using the corner of it's mouth, which when
opened resembles a small desert flower.Similarly,the angler fish dangles a
wormlike structure in front of itself to tempt other fish in reach of it's
hungry mouth.Certain female fireflies mimic flashes of females of other
species, and when their excited would-be suitors arrive,they eat them.The
cuckoo of Europe and the cowbird of the United States both lay their eggs in
the nests of other birds and successfully manage to have their young raised
by the unsuspecting foster parents.Incidentally, the ungrateful foster
nestlings eliminate all of the legitimate members of the family by pushing
them out of the nest.
Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.The abundance, variety,
perfection, and resourcefulness of mimicry observed in nature almost defy
comprehension or description.Evolutionary "thinking" is completely devoid
and incapable of explaining the origin, development, or perfection of such
mimicry,especially when it is accompanied by the concomitant imitation of
shape,color,habit, and so on.Without question,mimicry is indeed one of the
most persuasive arguments out of thousands against evolution and for special
creation.
Next up--convergence
--
"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane
history."
Sir Isaac Newton [1642-1727]
.

User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 12:01:35 AM
"Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com> wrote in news:0drWe.64$w76.13359@news.uswest.net:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of
organism imitates or "mimics" another type.
Most examples of mimicry are found among insects, although other animals
and even some plants exhibit this capability.

A very good example of natural selection at work. Guess what, there is even
peer reviewed scientific literature on the subject. Here's a couple of
examples.
Benson, W. W., 1972, Natural selection for Mllerian mimicry in Heliconus
erato in Costa Rica: Science, v. 176, p. 936-939.
Kingsland, S., 1978, Abbott Thayer and the protective coloration debate:
Journal of the History of Biology, v. 11, p. 233-244.
Hey Mr Can't, do you have anything that hasn't already been refuted? I'm
getting a bit tired from laughing so hard.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
.

User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 12:21:30 AM
Cometh the hour, cometh "Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of organism
imitates or "mimics" another type.

Strong evidence, in fact, of evolution.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cthulhu says "tortured souls are tough and taste rather sour. Be happy, die happy, make me a happy eater.
:-)
.

User: "Humpty Dumptys personal Chef-de-partie"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 01:06:42 AM
Cometh the hour, cometh "Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

The
cuckoo of Europe and the cowbird of the United States both lay their eggs in
the nests of other birds and successfully manage to have their young raised
by the unsuspecting foster parents.Incidentally, the ungrateful foster
nestlings eliminate all of the legitimate members of the family by pushing
them out of the nest.
Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.

`To be sure I was!' Humpty Dumpty said gaily as she turned it round
for him. `I thought it looked a little queer. As I was saying, that
seems to be done right -- though I haven't time to look it over
thoroughly just now -- and that shows that there are three hundred and
sixty-four days when you might get un-birthday presents --'
`Certainly,' said Alice.
`And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'
`I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I
tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice
objected.
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
`it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so
many different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master --
that's all.'
------------------------------------------------
"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 07:45:06 PM
In a message sent 'round the world, Kant poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
[ snip the biology lesson ]

Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.

< chuckle! >
You explain the advantages of mimicry, and then imply that they have no
evolutionary advantage.
Methinks you need to rent yourself a clue.

The abundance, variety,
perfection, and resourcefulness of mimicry observed in nature almost defy
comprehension or description.

This says more about your cognitive abilities than about anything else.

Evolutionary "thinking" is completely devoid
and incapable of explaining the origin, development, or perfection of such
mimicry,especially when it is accompanied by the concomitant imitation of
shape,color,habit, and so on.Without question,mimicry is indeed one of the
most persuasive arguments out of thousands against evolution and for special
creation.

LOL !
Regards,
Josef
Evolution is cleverer than you are.
-- Francis Crick
.

User: "Ben Kaufman"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 17 Sep 2005 08:11:03 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:45:00 -0700, "Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com> wrote:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of organism
imitates or "mimics" another type.

<SNIP>

Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.The abundance, variety,
perfection, and resourcefulness of mimicry observed in nature almost defy
comprehension or description.Evolutionary "thinking" is completely devoid
and incapable of explaining the origin, development, or perfection of such
mimicry,especially when it is accompanied by the concomitant imitation of
shape,color,habit, and so on.Without question,mimicry is indeed one of the
most persuasive arguments out of thousands against evolution and for special
creation.
Next up--convergence

I think you should pay more attention to the relationship between the decline
of pirates on the high seas and global warming. Why do you think the "creator"
did this?
Ben
.

User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 15 Sep 2005 11:16:35 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:45:00 -0700, "Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com> wrote:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of organism
imitates or "mimics" another type.
Most examples of mimicry are found among insects, although other animals and
even some plants exhibit this capability.The extraordinary perfection of
mimicry among insects is so great that it can successfully deceive a skilled
naturalist who is watching for that very thing.In fact, it is often so
perfect that it can bamboozle other insects being mimicked to the extent
that the mimic can live among his enemies undetected!For example, spiders
can disguise themselves as ants.While this may not sound particularly
impressive at first, it is actually quite clever because spiders have eight
legs whereas ants only have six legs and two antennae.To fool the ants,
the spider holds his front pair of legs over his forehead and wiggles them
like antennae.To further authenticate the deception, the spider also
imitates the jerky gait and feed movements of the ants.Some spiders have
even been observed carrying the skeletons of ants over their bodies to
disguise themselves.
The caterpillar of the Lobster moth of Britain is another fascinating
example of mimicry.It has modified it's legs to hang down like the scales of
the surrounding buds of the beech tree.Luckily (or so the evolutionists
imagines) they are the proper number, length, color, and shape for this very
purpose!When this larva is attacked it lowers flaps on it's sides,which
uncover black "wounds" that trick the attacker into thinking that it has
already fallen victim to another parasite.Disappointed,the enemy
departs.Such precise, intricate, and carefully reasoned mimicry leaves the
evolutionist completely speechless and dumbfounded.Some mimics fool their
predators by resembling stinging or bad tasting models, which the predators
naturally avoid.For example, many species of butterflies mimic monarchs or
other unpalatable butterflies, or moths.Some species of flies mimic bees or
hornets.Equally bewildering to the evolutionist is the fact that sometimes
only one sex of a species will mimic while the other will not. Sometimes the
predator rather than prey becomes the mimic.One species of desert lizard
entices insects to their death by using the corner of it's mouth, which when
opened resembles a small desert flower.Similarly,the angler fish dangles a
wormlike structure in front of itself to tempt other fish in reach of it's
hungry mouth.Certain female fireflies mimic flashes of females of other
species, and when their excited would-be suitors arrive,they eat them.The
cuckoo of Europe and the cowbird of the United States both lay their eggs in
the nests of other birds and successfully manage to have their young raised
by the unsuspecting foster parents.Incidentally, the ungrateful foster
nestlings eliminate all of the legitimate members of the family by pushing
them out of the nest.
Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.The abundance, variety,
perfection, and resourcefulness of mimicry observed in nature almost defy
comprehension or description.Evolutionary "thinking" is completely devoid
and incapable of explaining the origin, development, or perfection of such
mimicry,especially when it is accompanied by the concomitant imitation of
shape,color,habit, and so on.Without question,mimicry is indeed one of the
most persuasive arguments out of thousands against evolution and for special
creation.
Next up--convergence

Why do any of these examples 'disallow' explanation in evolutionary
terms? If anything, all your examples only bolster the case for
evolution.
.
User: "Humpty Dumptys personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 12:28:20 AM
Cometh the hour, cometh Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:45:00 -0700, "Kant" <Kantis@Hell.com> wrote:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of organism
imitates or "mimics" another type.
Most examples of mimicry are found among insects, although other animals and
even some plants exhibit this capability.The extraordinary perfection of
mimicry among insects is so great that it can successfully deceive a skilled
naturalist who is watching for that very thing.In fact, it is often so
perfect that it can bamboozle other insects being mimicked to the extent
that the mimic can live among his enemies undetected!For example, spiders
can disguise themselves as ants.<etc, etc, etbloodycet.>
Next up--convergence

Can't wait <yawn>


Why do any of these examples 'disallow' explanation in evolutionary
terms? If anything, all your examples only bolster the case for
evolution.

Because this bozo says they do. Ever read Alice through the looking
glass? Still, eggs, omelettes... ;-)
------------------------------------------------
"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion. The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
.


User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 16 Sep 2005 10:56:27 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Kant"
<Kantis@Hell.com> in <0drWe.64$w76.13359@news.uswest.net> wrote:
[snip]

Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also
disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation.The abundance, variety,
perfection, and resourcefulness of mimicry observed in nature almost defy
comprehension or description.Evolutionary "thinking" is completely devoid
and incapable of explaining the origin, development, or perfection of such
mimicry,especially when it is accompanied by the concomitant imitation of
shape,color,habit, and so on.Without question,mimicry is indeed one of the
most persuasive arguments out of thousands against evolution and for special
creation.
Next up--convergence

Please give me the design explanation for this. Explain to me how
design explains spiders looking like ants and such.
--
Matt Silberstein
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User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Countless other examples of ingenious mimicry could be mentioned that also disallow any sort of evolutionary explanation 15 Sep 2005 11:02:37 PM
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Kant (Kantis@Hell.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:

Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature in which one type of
organism imitates or "mimics" another type.

Evolution in action. You are in denial. I pity you.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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