Religions > Atheism > Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club
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Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club |
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as
Gay Club
FARMINGTON, September 12, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Thomas More
Law Center, a national public interest law firm today announced that
United States District Judge Victoria A. Roberts has entered a
permanent injunction granting equal rights to a Bible club and its
members at Farmington High School in Farmington, Michigan.
The Law Center represents ALIVE, a voluntary student Bible club, its
president and co-founder, Aaron Grider, and his parents. In 2006,
Grider had requested that ALIVE be recognized by the school as a
noncurriculum-related student group and receive the same treatment and
benefits that other noncurriculum-related student groups receive at
Farmington High School. In the past, Farmington High School has
recognized several noncurriculum-related student groups, including the
Gay Straight Alliance, R.E.A.C.H. (a diversity club), and S.A.D.D.
(Students Against Drunk Driving).
School officials denied Aaron's request. Unlike recognized
noncurriculum-related student clubs, school officials allowed ALIVE to
meet informally before school, but did not allow ALIVE to advertise
over the school's public address system, on the school's bulletin
boards, on the school's website, in the school's yearbook, or over the
school's internal television network, and they did not allow the club
to use the school's photocopying machines.
The Law Center filed a lawsuit in federal court in Detroit, Michigan,
and raised claims that school officials had violated plaintiffs'
rights under the Federal Equal Access Act, the Michigan Equal Access
Act, and the federal constitution.
Before the start of the school year, which began on September 4, 2007,
plaintiffs filed motions seeking a court injunction to ensure that
ALIVE and its members would be treated the same as other noncurriculum-
related groups are treated at Farmington High School. Last week, Judge
Roberts issued a permanent injunction in favor of plaintiffs and
required school officials to provide ALIVE the same benefits,
treatment, and privileges enjoyed by other noncurriculum-related
student clubs.
According to Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the
Thomas More Law Center, "The judge's order should highlight to all
school officials in Michigan and in other states that once a public
high school allows one noncurriculum-related student club to meet on
campus, they cannot discriminate against a Bible club. A Bible club
must be permitted the same rights as other student clubs."
Judge Roberts determined that plaintiffs were likely to succeed on the
merits of their claims under the Federal and Michigan Equal Access
Acts, and, therefore, she did not need to consider the constitutional
claims. Judge Roberts stated that "it appears clear that ALIVE has
been treated differently than other student groups 'on the basis of'
the religious content of their speech."
Judge Roberts also determined that because plaintiffs have been denied
equal access to the school in violation of the Federal Equal Access
Act, based on plaintiffs' religious viewpoint since at least October
2006, that the plaintiffs would be irreparably harmed this school year
without an injunction to ensure that their rights as a club are
protected.
Commented Edward L. White III, trial counsel for the Thomas More Law
Center handling the case: "Judge Roberts's permanent injunction will
protect the rights of ALIVE and its members this school year and
thereafter. These students will be able to enjoy all the benefits
that other noncurriculum-related student clubs enjoy at Farmington
High School."
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18 Sep 2007 12:29:04 PM |
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On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>:
In a simple experiment reported todayin the journal Nature
Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show
that political orientation is related to differences in how
the brain processes information.
...
Participants were college students whose politics ranged from
"very liberal" to "very conservative." They were instructed to
tap a keyboard when an M appeared on a computer monitor and to
refrain from tapping when they saw a W.
...
Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than
conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals
and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M.
I.e., liberals are in tune with the "real world" and conservatives
tend to see what they want to see. Osprey is quite evidently a
conservative. :-)-
Liberal study rigged
As I said, liberals are dishonest..and now, they rig their own
studies.
You moron - it was published in a highly respected peer-reviewed
journal. The "brain activity" was measured.
Also check out
<http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nn1979.html>.
It's absolutely ludicrous to believe that someone is smarter than
anyone else, simply based on their political preference. Then again,
liberals are so desperate that I can see why they are rigging studies
and grasping on to things like this.
Idiot - they did not measure intelligence. They measured brain
activity using an electroencephalograph. They simply claimed that
liberals and conservatives show physiological differences in how
their brains function when performing simple tasks.
http://www.slate.com/id/2173965/?GT1=10436
Liberal Interpretation
Rigging a study to make conservatives look stupid.
[Author sums this up nicely]
In fact, that's exactly what you've done in this study: You've
manufactured a tiny world of letters, half-seconds, and button-
pushing, so you can catch us in clear errors and keep out the part of
life where our tendencies correct yours. And now you feel great about
yourselves. Congratulations. You haven't told us much about our way
of
thinking. But you've told us a lot about yours.
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
and you responded
with an article by a hack whose claim to fame is being a writer and
the author of "Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War."
I.e., some guy with no background in neuroscience.
Well, that tells us a lot about you, Osprey, and is just another
reason why we all consider you to be an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It was RIGGED....
You're a fool if you think someone is smarter than others, based
solely on their political preference.
I know a LOT of conservatives that would run circles around you in the
area of intelligence and IQ.
You're not that bright.
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| User: "Tom S." |
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18 Sep 2007 06:20:12 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:29:04 -0700, osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>:
In a simple experiment reported todayin the journal Nature
Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show
that political orientation is related to differences in how
the brain processes information.
...
Participants were college students whose politics ranged from
"very liberal" to "very conservative." They were instructed to
tap a keyboard when an M appeared on a computer monitor and to
refrain from tapping when they saw a W.
...
Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than
conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals
and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M.
I.e., liberals are in tune with the "real world" and conservatives
tend to see what they want to see. Osprey is quite evidently a
conservative. :-)-
Liberal study rigged
As I said, liberals are dishonest..and now, they rig their own
studies.
You moron - it was published in a highly respected peer-reviewed
journal. The "brain activity" was measured.
Also check out
<http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nn1979.html>.
It's absolutely ludicrous to believe that someone is smarter than
anyone else, simply based on their political preference. Then again,
liberals are so desperate that I can see why they are rigging studies
and grasping on to things like this.
Idiot - they did not measure intelligence. They measured brain
activity using an electroencephalograph. They simply claimed that
liberals and conservatives show physiological differences in how
their brains function when performing simple tasks.
http://www.slate.com/id/2173965/?GT1=10436
Liberal Interpretation
Rigging a study to make conservatives look stupid.
[Author sums this up nicely]
In fact, that's exactly what you've done in this study: You've
manufactured a tiny world of letters, half-seconds, and button-
pushing, so you can catch us in clear errors and keep out the part of
life where our tendencies correct yours. And now you feel great about
yourselves. Congratulations. You haven't told us much about our way
of
thinking. But you've told us a lot about yours.
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
What are his credentials?? Other than being a conservative author.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
Nope. Disagreeing with the results you would have liked to see is not
an indicator that it was rigged.
and you responded
with an article by a hack whose claim to fame is being a writer and
the author of "Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War."
I.e., some guy with no background in neuroscience.
Well, that tells us a lot about you, Osprey, and is just another
reason why we all consider you to be an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It was RIGGED....
Everybody was given the same test. All responses were recorded and
included in the final analysis. The scoring was uniform throughout
the test.
Nope. It wasn't rigged.
You're a fool if you think someone is smarter than others, based
solely on their political preference.
THAT is exactly what the study did not show, Bobby. Are you having
trouble with your reading comprehension today?? Did you even bother
to read the study?
I know a LOT of conservatives that would run circles around you in the
area of intelligence and IQ.
So what? This was not an intelligence test.
You're not that bright.
Neither are you, Bobby. Neither are you.
Tom S.
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| User: "No One" |
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18 Sep 2007 03:23:33 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie. It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test. Then, using some electronics,
they found differences in brain activity - which parts of the brain
are active. Being able to tie differences in political philosophy
to physiologically measurable differences in brain function is an
interesting result. That's all they did.
and you responded
with an article by a hack whose claim to fame is being a writer and
the author of "Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War."
I.e., some guy with no background in neuroscience.
Well, that tells us a lot about you, Osprey, and is just another
reason why we all consider you to be an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
It was RIGGED....
Why don't you send a letter to the heads of their departments at NYU
and UCLA claiming that they rigged their research. If they actually
think that someone might take your claim seriously, you'll have done a
wonderful job of setting yourself up to be the defendent in a libel
suit.
You're a fool if you think someone is smarter than others, based
solely on their political preference.
I know a LOT of conservatives that would run circles around you in the
area of intelligence and IQ.
ROTFLMAO - the researchers said *nothing* about the intelligence of
these individuals. That's something you made up for a simple reason:
you are an idiot.
Even funnier, your inability to process new information is a perfect
illustration of the phenomena these researchers studied. So you really
are shooting yourself in the foot.
And your claims about my "intelligence and IQ" would make anyone who
knows me personally LOL at you.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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18 Sep 2007 03:26:21 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87k5qnvi2i.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie.
No, it's the truth and you're desperate to think you're smarter than
everyone else.
It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test.
What were the variables?
Control group?
Come on, are you this stupid to think based on a persons political
preference they have a higher IQ?
O.k., so someone has conservatives views one day and the next day he or she
has liberal views...suddenly his or her IQ just sky rocketed?
Or what about those conservatives who have some liberal view points?
This whole idea and test is nothing but a JOKE.
YOU'RE A JOKE
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| User: "No One" |
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18 Sep 2007 05:53:01 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87k5qnvi2i.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie.
No, it's the truth and you're desperate to think you're smarter than
everyone else.
LOL. Nearly all of us are smarter than you, and it is usually the
person with some inadequacy who behaves as you do.
It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test.
What were the variables?
Control group?
It's described in the paper. Why don't you read it?
Come on, are you this stupid to think based on a persons political
preference they have a higher IQ?
O.k., so someone has conservatives views one day and the next day he
or she has liberal views...suddenly his or her IQ just sky rocketed?
Or what about those conservatives who have some liberal view points?
This whole idea and test is nothing but a JOKE.
YOU'RE A JOKE
What you are is an idiot! The authors of this paper did not say one
word about IQ.
They reported a measurable difference in brain function, and did not
in any sense consider one superior to the other. In the words of the
authors, "Although a liberal orientation was associated with better
performance on the response-inhibition task examined here,
conservatives would presumably perform better on tasks in which a more
fixed response style is optimal."
And the final sentence in the paper is, "More broadly, this research
demonstrates how integration across multiple levels of analysis can
begin to elucidate how abstract, seemingly ineffable constructs, such
as ideology, are reflected in the human brain."
Now, precisely what do you or your conservative "friend" find so
objectionable in this work? All you've done is confirm what their
results by providing an example, in your case a pigheaded reaction to
the facts in which you could not recognize what was clearly right in
front of your face. You know, just like the more conservative guys in
the study who would not react to the 'W' cases in a stream of 'M' cases.
[Note - both quotes hand typed from a paper copy.]
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| User: "Osprey" |
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18 Sep 2007 07:22:08 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87lkb37fch.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87k5qnvi2i.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie.
No, it's the truth and you're desperate to think you're smarter than
everyone else.
LOL. Nearly all of us are smarter than you,
Not even close, and I doubt you will ever figure out why.
and it is usually the
person with some inadequacy who behaves as you do.
It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test.
What were the variables?
Control group?
It's described in the paper. Why don't you read it?
In other words you know nothing about the subject you are praising.
Come on, are you this stupid to think based on a persons political
preference they have a higher IQ?
O.k., so someone has conservatives views one day and the next day he
or she has liberal views...suddenly his or her IQ just sky rocketed?
Or what about those conservatives who have some liberal view points?
This whole idea and test is nothing but a JOKE.
YOU'RE A JOKE
What you are is an idiot!
I'm not the one who believes that someone is more intelligent than someone
else simply based on their political view points.
I also noticed, you answered not one of my questions.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
18 Sep 2007 08:51:21 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87lkb37fch.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87k5qnvi2i.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie.
No, it's the truth and you're desperate to think you're smarter than
everyone else.
LOL. Nearly all of us are smarter than you,
Not even close, and I doubt you will ever figure out why.
Oh, we've figured out why it is "not even close" as most of us are
way smarter than you are.
and it is usually the
person with some inadequacy who behaves as you do.
It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test.
What were the variables?
Control group?
It's described in the paper. Why don't you read it?
In other words you know nothing about the subject you are praising.
In other words, there is no reason for me to do your homework for you.
Just look it up on the Nature web site.
YOU'RE A JOKE
What you are is an idiot!
I'm not the one who believes that someone is more intelligent than
someone else simply based on their political view points.
Osprey, nobody ever said what you are implying. Read the paper.
Don't make things up to cover up the fact that you made a fool
of yourself once again.
I also noticed, you answered not one of my questions.
Why should I waste time posting what is already on the web for you
to read when you will do what you always do and ignore it? Even
the description in the newspaper article is good enough to see what
they were doing, and the paper itself is only 2 pages long.
But you, of course, are exhibiting just the behavior these
researchers noted - a tendency to produce a fixed response
regardless of any new data.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?R3d5bmXw?=" |
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18 Sep 2007 04:42:34 PM |
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On Sep 18, 3:26 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"No One" <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87k5qnvi2i.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 11:16 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 18, 1:51 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
Dishonset as usual, Osprey altered the URL immediately below to make
it difficult for people to find the original article. Here it is
again --
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
The Actual URL (which Osprey's post munged again) is
<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337....>
Your author doesn't know what he is talking about.
He is dead on. It bothers you.
No, he is simply a guy who writes for a living and who has never
done any scientific research. He really doesn't know what he
is talking about, only that he doesn't like the results.
The reserchers
observed a difference in response in a simple repetitive task and
found there were corresponding differences in brain activity in
specific portions of the brain. They made no comment at all about
innate intelligence.
I gave you a reference to some legitimate rsearch
"rigged" research.
That'a s lie.
No, it's the truth and you're desperate to think you're smarter than
everyone else.
It is an easy-to-reproduce, very simple experiment.
They did a simple test and found that liberals and conservatives
respond differently in that test.
What were the variables?
Control group?
Come on, are you this stupid to think based on a persons political
preference they have a higher IQ?
O.k., so someone has conservatives views one day and the next day he or she
has liberal views...suddenly his or her IQ just sky rocketed?
Or what about those conservatives who have some liberal view points?
This whole idea and test is nothing but a JOKE.
YOU'RE A JOKE
Look who's talking.
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16 Sep 2007 07:20:44 PM |
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Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:46ed85b6$0$14106$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Osprey <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
Osprey <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"No One" <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
"David W. Barnes" <davbar...@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at
work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying
the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time)
he
might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded?
Thank you!
Finally, someone asked.
Fact:
I was never reprimanded for anything No One.
Fact:
Robert Heishman is a habitual and regular liar and seldom more so
than
when he tries to inflate his accomplishments or excuse his
screwups.
If you can provide proof for Barnes claims,
*****, obviously you're not smart enough to understand.
I understand perfectly well.
No, you don't.
a) He has made specific claims
b) He has failed to support those claims
You are the liar so YOU are the one that needs to provide the proof.
So using YOUR theory, anyone can make any claim..and it's up to you to
prove
it true or not.
No, dumbshit, YOU are the liar. YOU, Robert "*****" Heishman, are a
liar. You lie about others, you lie about yourself, you lie about the
facts. Now that means that YOU have to provide the proof because
everybody knows that your word cannot be trusted.
You have earned your reputation as a dishonest moron and now you have
to live with the consequences.
Waa..waa..waa
Grow up.
Liberals support other liberals who lie.
Save the bigotry for your next klan rally, *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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15 Sep 2007 11:03:57 AM |
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In article <87abrooulv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>, No One
<noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded? I tried a google search, but there were so many
people dumping on him that it wasn't worth the time to try to figure out
what he might have done. Was it work related or did it have something
to do with the New York Times or both?
Larry Craig should have filed his guilty plea on usenet - then with
all the ranting, nobody would be able to find it. :-)
Yeah - There is nothing on the Internet about it (that I know of) - it
was no big deal. Osprey isn't important at all out there in Delaware.
A couple of years ago Osprey was actually stalking me, to a certain
degree. He was apparently printing out comments I made out here and
showing them to his coworkers. My posts at that time had my actual
email address on them. (They do not now.)
One of them, and then later another, apparently at the request or
advice of the first, emailed me and told me how Osprey was known for
being rather lazy (he played on the computers at the prison any chance
he could during work hours). They told me about many things, including
that Osprey lived in a trailer, that he owned an online Internet
business that failed, and that he and his father (who recently died)
has gone bankrupt.
During the conversations (by email) one mentioned that Osprey was
reprimanded and that he had once tried to get an actual law enforcement
job with the Sheriffs Office but was turned down as unqualified. I
suspect, but don't know, those reprimands caught up with him. I was
able to verify some of what Osprey's coworkers said once I had that
information, so I have no reason to believe any of it is a lie.
Everything I found was public information, but it took some work.
Osprey emailed me at one time asking that I lay off him, but I don't
feel I owe him anything considering how he has made up lies about me
being a child molester and Patrick being a drug dealer. He brags about
how he apologizes when appropriate but has never done so in these
instances, which are clearly defamatory. I feel certain that if his
office knew the kind of shame his comments bring upon Delaware
employees they would reprimand him further for his activity out here -
or at least I would like to think they have standards high enough that
they would do so. Perhaps, if they have any self respect, they would
fire him (although that is difficult since he is protected by his
union.)
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
15 Sep 2007 01:14:35 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
In article <87abrooulv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>, No One
<noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded? I tried a google search, but there were so many
people dumping on him that it wasn't worth the time to try to figure out
what he might have done. Was it work related or did it have something
to do with the New York Times or both?
Larry Craig should have filed his guilty plea on usenet - then with
all the ranting, nobody would be able to find it. :-)
Yeah - There is nothing on the Internet about it (that I know of) - it
was no big deal. Osprey isn't important at all out there in Delaware.
A couple of years ago Osprey was actually stalking me, to a certain
degree. He was apparently printing out comments I made out here and
showing them to his coworkers. My posts at that time had my actual
email address on them. (They do not now.)
One of them, and then later another, apparently at the request or
advice of the first, emailed me and told me how Osprey was known for
being rather lazy (he played on the computers at the prison any chance
he could during work hours). They told me about many things, including
that Osprey lived in a trailer, that he owned an online Internet
business that failed, and that he and his father (who recently died)
has gone bankrupt.
During the conversations (by email) one mentioned that Osprey was
reprimanded and that he had once tried to get an actual law enforcement
job with the Sheriffs Office but was turned down as unqualified. I
suspect, but don't know, those reprimands caught up with him. I was
able to verify some of what Osprey's coworkers said once I had that
information, so I have no reason to believe any of it is a lie.
Everything I found was public information, but it took some work.
Osprey emailed me at one time asking that I lay off him, but I don't
feel I owe him anything considering how he has made up lies about me
being a child molester and Patrick being a drug dealer. He brags about
how he apologizes when appropriate but has never done so in these
instances, which are clearly defamatory. I feel certain that if his
office knew the kind of shame his comments bring upon Delaware
employees they would reprimand him further for his activity out here -
or at least I would like to think they have standards high enough that
they would do so. Perhaps, if they have any self respect, they would
fire him (although that is difficult since he is protected by his
union.)
I don't expect Heishman to ever apologize for his statements, and I will
expect his tactics to remove him from the general public. (At least he'll
always have a friend in South Carolina.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
15 Sep 2007 12:51:30 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:150920070903579684%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <87abrooulv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>, No One
<noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded? I tried a google search, but there were so many
people dumping on him that it wasn't worth the time to try to figure out
what he might have done. Was it work related or did it have something
to do with the New York Times or both?
Larry Craig should have filed his guilty plea on usenet - then with
all the ranting, nobody would be able to find it. :-)
Yeah - There is nothing on the Internet about it (that I know of) - it
was no big deal. Osprey isn't important at all out there in Delaware.
A couple of years ago Osprey was actually stalking me, to a certain
degree. He was apparently printing out comments I made out here and
showing them to his coworkers. My posts at that time had my actual
email address on them. (They do not now.)
One of them, and then later another, apparently at the request or
advice of the first, emailed me and told me how Osprey was known for
being rather lazy (he played on the computers at the prison any chance
he could during work hours).
Absolute total *****.
They told me about many things, including
that Osprey lived in a trailer,
Odd, since I was the one who said I had once lived in a trailer after my
Grandfather passed away and I took over his trailer until my house was
built.
that he owned an online Internet
business that failed,
More *****.
and that he and his father (who recently died)
has gone bankrupt.
Absolute *****.
During the conversations (by email) one mentioned that Osprey was
reprimanded and that he had once tried to get an actual law enforcement
job with the Sheriffs Office but was turned down as unqualified.
More *****.
I
suspect, but don't know, those reprimands caught up with him. I was
able to verify some of what Osprey's coworkers said once I had that
information, so I have no reason to believe any of it is a lie.
Everything I found was public information, but it took some work.
Osprey emailed me at one time asking that I lay off him,
Absolute and total *****. You did make up an e-mail...funny thing when
you tried to pass it off...you wouldn't show any headers.
but I don't
feel I owe him anything considering how he has made up lies about me
being a child molester and Patrick being a drug dealer. He brags about
how he apologizes when appropriate but has never done so in these
instances, which are clearly defamatory. I feel certain that if his
office knew the kind of shame his comments bring upon Delaware
employees they would reprimand him further for his activity out here -
or at least I would like to think they have standards high enough that
they would do so. Perhaps, if they have any self respect, they would
fire him (although that is difficult since he is protected by his
union.)
Everything you have said in this posting, is absolute 100% GRADE A *****
and lies.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
15 Sep 2007 02:15:45 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:150920070903579684%davbarnes@gmail.com...
A couple of years ago Osprey was actually stalking me, to a certain
degree. He was apparently printing out comments I made out here and
showing them to his coworkers. My posts at that time had my actual
email address on them. (They do not now.)
One of them, and then later another, apparently at the request or
advice of the first, emailed me and told me how Osprey was known for
being rather lazy (he played on the computers at the prison any chance
he could during work hours).
Absolute total *****.
<snip>
Perhaps, if they have any self respect, they would
fire him (although that is difficult since he is protected by his
union.)
Everything you have said in this posting, is absolute 100% GRADE A
***** and lies.
You can call what Barnes posted "***** and lies" but I know as a
fact that some of it is at least partially true. Once, when you were
ranting about me, I fed your IP address into 'whois' and it reported
that it belonged to the state of Delaware, fairly convincing proof
that you were posting from work using government facilities. Most if
not all states have a policy forbidding the use of government
resources for personal use. Whether that is a firing offense or
merely grounds for some disciplinary action (even a mere warning) is
an internal matter. But don't try to claim "100% ... ***** and
lies" when we all know it isn't.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 01:04:46 AM |
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On Sep 15, 3:15 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> writes:
"David W. Barnes" <davbar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:150920070903579684%davbarnes@gmail.com...
A couple of years ago Osprey was actually stalking me, to a certain
degree. He was apparently printing out comments I made out here and
showing them to his coworkers. My posts at that time had my actual
email address on them. (They do not now.)
One of them, and then later another, apparently at the request or
advice of the first, emailed me and told me how Osprey was known for
being rather lazy (he played on the computers at the prison any chance
he could during work hours).
Absolute total *****.
<snip>
Perhaps, if they have any self respect, they would
fire him (although that is difficult since he is protected by his
union.)
Everything you have said in this posting, is absolute 100% GRADE A
***** and lies.
You can call what Barnes posted "***** and lies" but I know as a
fact that some of it is at least partially true. Once, when you were
ranting about me, I fed your IP address into 'whois' and it reported
that it belonged to the state of Delaware, fairly convincing proof
that you were posting from work using government facilities.
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no time
have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me, but
some in this newsgroup, have failed.
At no time have I EVER received any reprimands by DOC.
His claim is a lie.
Most if
not all states have a policy forbidding the use of government
resources for personal use. Whether that is a firing offense or
merely grounds for some disciplinary action (even a mere warning) is
an internal matter. But don't try to claim "100% ... ***** and
lies" when we all know it isn't.
It is 100% ***** and lies, every one of his claims.
If you can find a reprimand, by all means do so.
But you will not, and he will never provide proof. It's up to you if
you wish to believe him. BUT...let me say this.
Anyone wishing to believe his claims, can NEVER EVER say they base
their opinions on facts.
It's totally up to you..you can ask him for proof and you will see he
can not provide it.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 01:40:05 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 15, 3:15 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
You can call what Barnes posted "***** and lies" but I know as a
fact that some of it is at least partially true. Once, when you were
ranting about me, I fed your IP address into 'whois' and it reported
that it belonged to the state of Delaware, fairly convincing proof
that you were posting from work using government facilities.
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to <http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such as
listening to music or watching video, and downloading
of music and video files are specifically forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
Most if not all states have a policy forbidding the use of
government resources for personal use. Whether that is a firing
offense or merely grounds for some disciplinary action (even a
mere warning) is an internal matter. But don't try to claim "100%
... ***** and lies" when we all know it isn't.
It is 100% ***** and lies, every one of his claims.
If you can find a reprimand, by all means do so.
I don't care if anyone can find a reprimand. I'm merely pointing out
that, nationwide, government agencies typically do not like personal
use of computers, and your own state has an explicit policy that you
might be violating (and to even use an internet connection at all for
personal use requires the *explicit* authorization of your
management).
But you will not, and he will never provide proof. It's up to you if
you wish to believe him. BUT...let me say this.
Anyone wishing to believe his claims, can NEVER EVER say they base
their opinions on facts.
It's totally up to you..you can ask him for proof and you will see he
can not provide it.
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 04:51:41 AM |
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On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 15, 3:15 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
You can call what Barnes posted "***** and lies" but I know as a
fact that some of it is at least partially true. Once, when you were
ranting about me, I fed your IP address into 'whois' and it reported
that it belonged to the state of Delaware, fairly convincing proof
that you were posting from work using government facilities.
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to <http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such as
listening to music or watching video, and downloading
of music and video files are specifically forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
Most if not all states have a policy forbidding the use of
government resources for personal use. Whether that is a firing
offense or merely grounds for some disciplinary action (even a
mere warning) is an internal matter. But don't try to claim "100%
... ***** and lies" when we all know it isn't.
It is 100% ***** and lies, every one of his claims.
If you can find a reprimand, by all means do so.
I don't care if anyone can find a reprimand. I'm merely pointing out
that, nationwide, government agencies typically do not like personal
use of computers, and your own state has an explicit policy that you
might be violating (and to even use an internet connection at all for
personal use requires the *explicit* authorization of your
management).
But you will not, and he will never provide proof. It's up to you if
you wish to believe him. BUT...let me say this.
Anyone wishing to believe his claims, can NEVER EVER say they base
their opinions on facts.
It's totally up to you..you can ask him for proof and you will see he
can not provide it.
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 10:19:03 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to <http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such as
listening to music or watching video, and downloading
of music and video files are specifically forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
It's totally up to you..you can ask him for proof and you will see he
can not provide it.
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
You didn't answer the question. Try quoting the actual policy
that your department has that overrides the default set by the
state, preferably with a URL so it can be easily cross checked.
The problem is that, if you quote that policy, then someone (not
me) just might contact some public officials and ask why they
authorised prison guards to post on newsgroups associated with
various political causes (gay rights and abortion as examples)
when the state policy clearly forbids authorizing you to promote
political causes using state facilities.
The policy is quite clear and was quoted above from an official
State of Delaware web site, with the URL given so anyone can
cross check it.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 01:03:59 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87bqc2mye0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to <http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such as
listening to music or watching video, and downloading
of music and video files are specifically forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
As I said before, I'm in a much better position than you are to know what I
can and can't do, and I am not violating anything.
Now, I must ask you..are you in my chain of command?
That answer of course would be no.
Do I owe you or anyone an explanation? No I do not.
This is nothing more than your attempt to divert.
You did ask Barnes yesterday to show you proof of any reprimand.
Suddenly, you want to drop it.
It's totally up to you..you can ask him for proof and you will see he
can not provide it.
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
I don't care if you do or not.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 02:01:33 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87bqc2mye0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to <http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such as
listening to music or watching video, and downloading
of music and video files are specifically forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
As I said before, I'm in a much better position than you are to know
what I can and can't do, and I am not violating anything.
Now, I must ask you..are you in my chain of command?
That answer of course would be no.
Do I owe you or anyone an explanation? No I do not.
I think the State of Delaware's policy regarding the use of state-owned
computers and internet connections is pretty clear, and was stated
above. And I'll note tht you have no answer to the fact that 'whois'
will report who owns the IP address assigned to you when the posts
in question were made.
This is nothing more than your attempt to divert.
You did ask Barnes yesterday to show you proof of any reprimand.
Suddenly, you want to drop it.
Why should I care about what Barnes said about a reprimand when I was
merely quoting your state's policy and noting the fact that you
sometimes use (or used) state-owned networks (and maybe computers) to
post usenet articles? Are you trying to divert attention?
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
I don't care if you do or not.
Then why are you replying and squealing so much? :-)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
16 Sep 2007 03:51:14 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87zlzmjuya.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87bqc2mye0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to get at
me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to
<http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when authorized
by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business
and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or
promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this code
or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services such
as
listening to music or watching video, and
downloading
of music and video files are specifically
forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
As I said before, I'm in a much better position than you are to know
what I can and can't do, and I am not violating anything.
Now, I must ask you..are you in my chain of command?
That answer of course would be no.
Do I owe you or anyone an explanation? No I do not.
I think the State of Delaware's policy regarding the use of state-owned
computers and internet connections is pretty clear, and was stated
above.
Read what I have already said.
And I'll note tht you have no answer to the fact that 'whois'
will report who owns the IP address assigned to you when the posts
in question were made.
This is nothing more than your attempt to divert.
You did ask Barnes yesterday to show you proof of any reprimand.
Suddenly, you want to drop it.
Why should I care about what Barnes said about a reprimand when I was
merely quoting your state's policy and noting the fact that you
sometimes use (or used) state-owned networks (and maybe computers) to
post usenet articles? Are you trying to divert attention?
Actually, you're trying to divert.
You originally asked him to show you proof.
Barnes failed to do that, in fact he ignored your request.
Then you changed the subject.
Suddenly, like the liberal you are, you want to ignore his unsupported
claims.
Isn't that just like a liberal?
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
I don't care if you do or not.
Then why are you replying and squealing so much? :-)
Why do you lie when you claimed you base things on facts and not hearsay?
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
17 Sep 2007 10:03:59 AM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87zlzmjuya.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87bqc2mye0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to
get at >> > > me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to >> >
<http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when
authorized >> > by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business
and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or
promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this
code >> > or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State. (Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services
such >> > as
listening to music or watching video, and >> >
downloading
of music and video files are specifically >> >
forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
As I said before, I'm in a much better position than you are to know
what I can and can't do, and I am not violating anything.
Now, I must ask you..are you in my chain of command?
That answer of course would be no.
Do I owe you or anyone an explanation? No I do not.
I think the State of Delaware's policy regarding the use of state-owned
computers and internet connections is pretty clear, and was stated
above.
Read what I have already said.
You basically said to trust you, and there is no reason to do that when
we have a copy of the State of Delaware's policy to base our opinions
on.
And I'll note tht you have no answer to the fact that 'whois'
will report who owns the IP address assigned to you when the posts
in question were made.
This is nothing more than your attempt to divert.
You did ask Barnes yesterday to show you proof of any reprimand.
Suddenly, you want to drop it.
Why should I care about what Barnes said about a reprimand when I was
merely quoting your state's policy and noting the fact that you
sometimes use (or used) state-owned networks (and maybe computers) to
post usenet articles? Are you trying to divert attention?
Actually, you're trying to divert.
You originally asked him to show you proof.
That's simply a lie on your part. I asked him what the repridmand
he talked about was for, due to difficulty in finding the post
using a google search (too much clutter).
Barnes failed to do that, in fact he ignored your request.
Then you changed the subject.
Suddenly, like the liberal you are, you want to ignore his unsupported
claims.
Isn't that just like a liberal?
So, you were caught and are now blaiming liberals. Grow up.
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
I don't care if you do or not.
Then why are you replying and squealing so much? :-)
Why do you lie when you claimed you base things on facts and not hearsay?
Osprey, stop acting like a child who is trying to explain why he
wasn't trying to take a cookie when he was caught with his hand in the
cookie jar.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: My apology to MarkA. |
17 Sep 2007 10:06:39 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:873axdz63k.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87zlzmjuya.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87bqc2mye0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On Sep 16, 2:40 am, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> writes:
We have a policy, and we are entitled certain entitlements. At
no
time have I violated DOC policy. Which is why attempts to
get at >> > > me,
but some in this newsgroup, have failed. At no time have I
EVER
received any reprimands by DOC. His claim is a lie.
According to >> >
<http://dti.delaware.gov/pdfs/DTIAcceptableUsePolicy.pdf>,
Personal Use
While State systems are intended for primarily
business/instructional purposes, limited (incidental and
occasional) personal use may be permissible when
authorized >> > by
your management and it does not:
Interfere with your work responsibilities or
business/instructional operations.
Involve interests in personal outside business
and/or
other non-authorized organizations and activities
(which may include, but is not limited to selling
personal property/items or soliciting for or
promoting
commercial ventures, charitable, religious or
political activities or causes).
Violate any of the standards contained in this
code >> > or
other State of Delaware policies.
Lead to inappropriate costs to the State.
(Excessive
personal surfing, utilizing streaming services
such >> > as
listening to music or watching video, and >> >
downloading
of music and video files are specifically >> >
forbidden.)
Some of your posts seem to be promoting political causes.
I'm certain sir, that I'm in a better position than you are to know
what I can and can not do, and I'm also certain sir that I know
more
about where I am posting from than you do.
I sure as hell can tell when you are posting using an IP address
that
is assigned to the State of Delaware because 'whois' reports it and
I have seen you use such an address. You just don't use one
consistently.
As I said before, I'm in a much better position than you are to know
what I can and can't do, and I am not violating anything.
Now, I must ask you..are you in my chain of command?
That answer of course would be no.
Do I owe you or anyone an explanation? No I do not.
I think the State of Delaware's policy regarding the use of state-owned
computers and internet connections is pretty clear, and was stated
above.
Read what I have already said.
You basically said to trust you,
This is a huge problem with you liberals, you put words in peoples mouths.
I never said that to you.
and there is no reason to do that when
we have a copy of the State of Delaware's policy to base our opinions
on.
And I'll note tht you have no answer to the fact that 'whois'
will report who owns the IP address assigned to you when the posts
in question were made.
This is nothing more than your attempt to divert.
You did ask Barnes yesterday to show you proof of any reprimand.
Suddenly, you want to drop it.
Why should I care about what Barnes said about a reprimand when I was
merely quoting your state's policy and noting the fact that you
sometimes use (or used) state-owned networks (and maybe computers) to
post usenet articles? Are you trying to divert attention?
Actually, you're trying to divert.
You originally asked him to show you proof.
That's simply a lie on your part. I asked him what the repridmand
he talked about was for, due to difficulty in finding the post
using a google search (too much clutter).
There was never any reprimand, period.
It was a lie on his part..made up...fiction..part of his obsession.
Barnes failed to do that, in fact he ignored your request.
Then you changed the subject.
Suddenly, like the liberal you are, you want to ignore his unsupported
claims.
Isn't that just like a liberal?
So, you were caught and are now blaiming liberals. Grow up.
Caught?
Caught at what?
Well, can you point to a some authorization from your management
specifically allowing you to use state-owned computers and
networks
for what you are posting on usenet?
Read what I already said above.
ROTFLMAO - What you said essentially is that we should trust you.
I don't care if you do or not.
Then why are you replying and squealing so much? :-)
Why do you lie when you claimed you base things on facts and not hearsay?
Osprey, stop acting like a child who is trying to explain why he
wasn't trying to take a cookie when he was caught with his hand in the
cookie jar.
<snicker>
You got issues..:o)
Keep chasing though, you're just a liberal and we can't expect much.
As I have said before, liberals lie. Liberals support other liberals who
lie. Liberals make up standards for others, but they don't expect themselves
or other liberals to be held to those standards. And..liberals will simply
ignore other liberals who lie and never ever ask another liberal to support
his or her claim.
Those things have been proven.
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