Religions > Atheism > Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club
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Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club |
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as
Gay Club
FARMINGTON, September 12, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Thomas More
Law Center, a national public interest law firm today announced that
United States District Judge Victoria A. Roberts has entered a
permanent injunction granting equal rights to a Bible club and its
members at Farmington High School in Farmington, Michigan.
The Law Center represents ALIVE, a voluntary student Bible club, its
president and co-founder, Aaron Grider, and his parents. In 2006,
Grider had requested that ALIVE be recognized by the school as a
noncurriculum-related student group and receive the same treatment and
benefits that other noncurriculum-related student groups receive at
Farmington High School. In the past, Farmington High School has
recognized several noncurriculum-related student groups, including the
Gay Straight Alliance, R.E.A.C.H. (a diversity club), and S.A.D.D.
(Students Against Drunk Driving).
School officials denied Aaron's request. Unlike recognized
noncurriculum-related student clubs, school officials allowed ALIVE to
meet informally before school, but did not allow ALIVE to advertise
over the school's public address system, on the school's bulletin
boards, on the school's website, in the school's yearbook, or over the
school's internal television network, and they did not allow the club
to use the school's photocopying machines.
The Law Center filed a lawsuit in federal court in Detroit, Michigan,
and raised claims that school officials had violated plaintiffs'
rights under the Federal Equal Access Act, the Michigan Equal Access
Act, and the federal constitution.
Before the start of the school year, which began on September 4, 2007,
plaintiffs filed motions seeking a court injunction to ensure that
ALIVE and its members would be treated the same as other noncurriculum-
related groups are treated at Farmington High School. Last week, Judge
Roberts issued a permanent injunction in favor of plaintiffs and
required school officials to provide ALIVE the same benefits,
treatment, and privileges enjoyed by other noncurriculum-related
student clubs.
According to Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the
Thomas More Law Center, "The judge's order should highlight to all
school officials in Michigan and in other states that once a public
high school allows one noncurriculum-related student club to meet on
campus, they cannot discriminate against a Bible club. A Bible club
must be permitted the same rights as other student clubs."
Judge Roberts determined that plaintiffs were likely to succeed on the
merits of their claims under the Federal and Michigan Equal Access
Acts, and, therefore, she did not need to consider the constitutional
claims. Judge Roberts stated that "it appears clear that ALIVE has
been treated differently than other student groups 'on the basis of'
the religious content of their speech."
Judge Roberts also determined that because plaintiffs have been denied
equal access to the school in violation of the Federal Equal Access
Act, based on plaintiffs' religious viewpoint since at least October
2006, that the plaintiffs would be irreparably harmed this school year
without an injunction to ensure that their rights as a club are
protected.
Commented Edward L. White III, trial counsel for the Thomas More Law
Center handling the case: "Judge Roberts's permanent injunction will
protect the rights of ALIVE and its members this school year and
thereafter. These students will be able to enjoy all the benefits
that other noncurriculum-related student clubs enjoy at Farmington
High School."
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13 Sep 2007 06:27:23 AM |
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"J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
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Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene? The ACLU doesn't just jump into a
case that they are not asked or petitioned to jump into. That has already
been explained to you several times, liar Young.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club |
13 Sep 2007 01:12:52 AM |
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"J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1189660937.934903.50550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
I guess they are singing "The Gambler" now.
"You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk
away, know when to run."
Nice to know that the government is honoring more than gay sectarian use of
public buildings.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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13 Sep 2007 03:06:15 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1189660937.934903.50550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
I guess they are singing "The Gambler" now.
You can't even guess which way to look for the sunrise.
"You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk
away, know when to run."
Nice to know that the government is honoring more than gay sectarian use of
public buildings.
Of course, you're sucking up to Usenet's most compulsive troll...and you're
quoting a hit that was made a hit by native Houstonian Kenny Rogers.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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13 Sep 2007 09:51:19 AM |
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On Sep 13, 2:12 am, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
"J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1189660937.934903.50550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
I guess they are singing "The Gambler" now.
"You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk
away, know when to run."
Nice to know that the government is honoring more than gay sectarian use of
public buildings.
The ACLU doesn't get involved in cases unless they're asked. If the
bible clue wanted help from the ACLU, they should have asked.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as Gay Club |
13 Sep 2007 06:51:37 PM |
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In article <1189660937.934903.50550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> J Young <younginsights@aol.com> writes:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Notice that the ACLU was not asked to give assistance.
Notice that the ACLU does not kick down your door and
take your case at gunpoint if you do not invite them in.
Notice where all this has been explained to you before.
Notice your contempt for facts.
-- cary
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| User: "Martin" |
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13 Sep 2007 03:07:38 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as
Gay Club
Now we stand by for the howls of agony when the first Wiccan/Pagan
meetings are held in the school, when there is a meeting of students for
"Freedoms Used for Choice and Knowlege" - the local pro-choice group,
when the Muslims hold a meeting in the school ...
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| User: "" |
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13 Sep 2007 11:38:21 AM |
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On Sep 13, 4:07 am, Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as
Gay Club
Now we stand by for the howls of agony when the first Wiccan/Pagan
meetings are held in the school, when there is a meeting of students for
"Freedoms Used for Choice and Knowlege" - the local pro-choice group,
when the Muslims hold a meeting in the school ...
If there was no howl of agony at the gay group then chances are there
will none for any of those other groups.
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| User: "Martin" |
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13 Sep 2007 12:44:01 PM |
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On Sep 13, 4:07 am, Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Court Forces Michigan High School to Give Bible Club Same Benefits as
Gay Club
Now we stand by for the howls of agony when the first Wiccan/Pagan
meetings are held in the school, when there is a meeting of students for
"Freedoms Used for Choice and Knowlege" - the local pro-choice group,
when the Muslims hold a meeting in the school ...
If there was no howl of agony at the gay group then chances are there
will none for any of those other groups.
A year or so ago (I think it was) Young was gloating about some school
where a court had ruled that one of the local chrtian groups be allowed
to put a flyer in the childrens "going home" pack, where previously they
had all been banned.
A few weeks later the same poster was having a rant and howling when the
local Wiccan group put a flyer in the childrens "going home" pack.
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13 Sep 2007 12:46:12 AM |
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On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Ah... the usual reliable, balanced and unbiased source...
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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13 Sep 2007 01:14:13 AM |
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<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a case.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Ah... the usual reliable, balanced and unbiased source...
Since you said so, VERBATIM!
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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13 Sep 2007 06:30:06 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ww4Gi.58368$t9.18958@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
They have also presented many cases FOR religious groups. The free speech
rights of the street preachers in California comes to mind as only one of
many such cases.
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Which only shows your total ignorance of what the ACLU does, and how they
operate. Educate yourself, village idiot.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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13 Sep 2007 05:41:27 PM |
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"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
They have also presented many cases FOR religious groups. The free speech
rights of the street preachers in California comes to mind as only one of
many such cases.
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Which only shows your total ignorance of what the ACLU does, and how they
operate. Educate yourself, village idiot.
So, their lack of dissent in this matter can be counted as a plus for them?
Isn't that what you are telling me?
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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13 Sep 2007 05:49:23 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
They have also presented many cases FOR religious groups. The free
speech rights of the street preachers in California comes to mind as only
one of many such cases.
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Which only shows your total ignorance of what the ACLU does, and how they
operate. Educate yourself, village idiot.
So, their lack of dissent in this matter can be counted as a plus for
them?
Isn't that what you are telling me?
On what grounds would they issue a dissent if they were not called upon to
join the case? The ACLU has no power to enter or initiate cases that they
have not been invited to enter or initiate.individuals with a clear interest
and cause for doing so. The ACLU does not generally issue opinions, either
of dissent or of agreement in cases in which they have no interest.
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13 Sep 2007 06:53:08 PM |
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In article <ww4Gi.58368$t9.18958@bignews7.bellsouth.net> "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a case.
Oh?
The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) filed a a motion to submit a
friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of Olivia Turton, a second-grade
student who was forbidden from singing 'Awesome God' in a voluntary,
after-school talent show. The only restriction on the student's
selection for the talent show was that it be 'G-rated.' The case, filed
in federal court, is Turton, et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School , et al.
The ACLU of Oregon (2004-05) filed suit on behalf of high school
basketball players from an Adventist school against the Oregon School
Activities Association, which administers competitive athletic and
artistic competitions in Oregon high schools. The ACLU argued that the
Adventist basketball players who have made it to the state tournament
should not be required to play tournament games on Saturday, their
Sabbath. The case, argued in Oregon courts, is Nakashima v. Board Of
Education.
The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (1999) secured a favorable settlement for a
nurse, Miki M. Cain, who was fired for wearing a cross-shaped lapel pin
on her uniform.
The ACLU of Nevada (2004) represented a Mormon high school student, Kim
Jacobs, who school authorities suspended and then attempted to expel for
not complying with the school dress code and wearing T-shirts with
religious messages. Jacobs won a preliminary victory in court where the
judge ruled the school could not expel her for not complying with the
dress code. The First Amendment issue of student expression is before
the Ninth Circuit.
The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) intervened on behalf of a group of
students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing
candy canes and a religious message in school. The ACLU succeeded in
having the suspensions revoked and filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit
brought on behalf of the students against the school district. Students
who were suspended include Daniel S. Souza, Stephen J. Grabowski, Sharon
L. Sitler and Paul Sitler.
The ACLU of Michigan (1999) obtained a favorable settlement on behalf
of Crystal Seifferly with Lincoln Park High School . As part of the
settlement, the school changed its policy prohibiting the wearing of
pentagrams, a symbol of the Wicca religion, of which Seifferly is an
adherent. The school deleted the policy's provision that stated that
pagans and witches are inappropriate in a school setting.
Rhode Island ACLU (2006) filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of
an inmate who was barred from preaching during Christian religious
services, something he had done for the past seven years under the
supervision and support of prison clergy. The prisoner, Wesley Spratt,
believes his preaching is a calling from God. Prison officials cited
vague and unsubstantiated security reasons for imposing the preaching
ban on Mr. Spratt. The ACLU argued that the ban violates Mr. Spratt's
religious freedoms guaranteed to prisoners under federal law.
The ACLU of Oklahoma (2000) filed a federal lawsuit against Union Public
School District No. 9 on behalf of 15-year-old Brandi Blackbear, a
Wiccan who was accused by school officials of making a teacher sick by
casting a hex. School authorities suspended Brandi, an honor student,
for 15 days for allegedly casting spells, 19 days for the content of
personal writings, and forbade her from wearing or drawing any symbols
related to the Wicca religion.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) (in conjunction with Americans United)
in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District won a Federal court case on
behalf of parents of public school children against the school district
that had attempted to impose religious beliefs on those who did not
share them. The parents objected that the religious beliefs, under the
guise 'intelligent design' as an alternative to the theory of evolution,
violated their religious liberty by promoting particular religious
beliefs to their children under the guise of science education.
The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free
speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of
the Strip in Las Vegas .
The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) joined forces with the American Family
Association to succeed in freeing a preacher, Shawn Miller, from the
Roosevelt County jail, where he was held for 109 days for street
preaching. The ACLU became involved at the request of Miller's wife,
Theresa.
The ACLU of Michigan (2005) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Joseph
Hanas, a Catholic, who was criminally punished for not completing a drug
rehabilitation program run by the Pentecostal group. Part of the
program required reading the Bible for seven hours a day, proclaiming
one's salvation at the alter, and being tested on Pentecostal
principles. Staff confiscated Mr. Hanas's rosary and told him
Catholicism was witchcraft.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) filed suit against the Department of
Corrections on behalf of a Mormon inmate, Norman Sanders, who was denied
the right to practice his religion by being denied access to religious
texts, including The Book of Mormon, and Mormon religious services.
'Mormons should receive the same accommodation of their beliefs as do
individuals of other faiths,' said Joe Cook, Executive Director, ACLU of
Louisiana. 'Fair and equal treatment means they deserve the right to a
place to meet, have a minister and discuss their beliefs like other groups.'
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) won a battle against Turtle Creek
Borough that repeatedly denied an occupancy permit to a predominantly
African-American church, Ekklesia, which had purchased the church
building from a predominantly white parish. The case is Ekklesia Church
v. Borough of Turtle Creek. The case was settled.
The ACLU of Washington (2004) reached a favorable settlement on behalf
of Donald Ausderau, a Christian minister, who wanted to preach to the
public on Plaza sidewalks.
The ACLU of Virginia (2004) interceded with local authorities on behalf
of Baptist preachers who were refused permission to perform baptisms in
the river in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County .
The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (2004) filed suit against the city of
Scottsburg for their repeated threats of arrest and/or citation against
members of the Old Paths Baptist Church for demonstrating regarding
various subjects dealing with their religious beliefs.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) won a battle against Turtle Creek
Borough that repeatedly denied an occupancy permit to a predominantly
African-American church, Ekklesia, which had purchased the church
building from a predominantly white parish. The case is Ekklesia Church
v. Borough of Turtle Creek. The case was settled. With the help of the
ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (2004), the Church Army,
an Episcopal social service group, was able to keep its program of
feeding the homeless running. The ACLU convinced the County Health
Department to reverse a decision that meals served to homeless people in
a church must be cooked on the premises, as opposed to individual
homes. Had the decision not been reversed, the ministry would have been
forced to cease the program.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) was victorious in its arguments that
government had to accommodate Amish drivers who used highly reflective
gray tape on their buggies instead of orange triangles, to which the
Amish objected for religious reasons.
The ACLU of New Jersey (2004) appeared as amicus curaie in opposition to
a prosecutor's act of striking potential jurors from a jury pool based
on the fact that the prosecutor perceived those individuals to be
'demonstrative about their religion.' One potential juror was a
missionary; the other juror was wearing Muslim religious garb, including
a skull cap. The ACLU-NJ argued that such an action violates the
religion clauses of both the United States and New Jersey Constitutions.
It also argued that not only is it inappropriate for jurors to be struck
because they are demonstrable about their religion but, in addition,
such a basis will often amount to a removal based upon a particular
religious belief or affiliation and will lead to discrimination against
identifiable religious minorities. The case is State v. Fuller (NJ SCt
2004).
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) settled a lawsuit on behalf of Second
Baptist Church of Homestead, a predominantly African-American church
that had been denied a zoning permit to operate in a church building
purchased by a white congregation. The occupancy permit was awarded in
2002, and in 2004, the Borough of West Mifflin agreed to pay damages and
compensate the church for its loses. The case is Second Baptist Church
of Homestead v. Borough of West Mifflin.
The ACLU of Rhode Island (2003) interceded on behalf of an
interdenominational group of carolers who were denied the opportunity to
sing Christmas carols on Christmas Eve to inmates at the women's prison
in Cranston , Rhode Island .
The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) publicly supported a group of
Christian students who filed a lawsuit against Davenport Schools
asserting their right to distribute religious literature during
non-instructional time. The ICLU filed a friend-of-the-court brief in
the suit on behalf of the students.
The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of
the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of
Christmas and promoting Christianity as the 'one true religion' after
the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority refused to allow the paid
advertisements to be posted and to sell additional advertising space to
the church.
The ACLU of Virginia (2002) joined the Rev. Jerry Falwell in winning a
lawsuit arguing the Virginia Constitution's provision that bans
religious organizations from incorporating is unconstitutional.
The ACLU of Michigan (beginning in 2001) represented Abby Moler, a
student at Sterling Heights Stevenson High School , whose yearbook entry
was deleted because of its religious content.
The ACLU of Massachusetts (2000) defended inmate Peter Kane's right to
exercise his religious beliefs when prison officials confiscated his
rosary beads. The rosary beads were black and white and prison rules
allow only solid-colored beads.
The ACLU of Virginia (2000) represented Charles D. Johnson, a street
preacher who was convicted under Richmond 's noise ordinance. The
Virginia Court of Appeals reversed his conviction in 2000. The case is
Johnson v. City of Richmond, 2000 WL 1459848 (Va. App. 2000).
The ACLU of Virginia (1999) filed suit against the Department of Defense
and the Office of Personnel Management on behalf of Michelle Hall, a
Jehovah's Witness who was fired from her job as a produce worker at Ft.
Belvoir commissary because she refused to sign a loyalty oath. Ms. Hall
objected to a phrase in the oath, that she would 'bear true faith and
allegiance to' the Constitution, because it contradicts her undivided
allegiance and faithfulness to Jehovah. The ACLU argued the oath
violated Ms. Hall's freedom of religion and speech rights. In a
settlement, Ms. Hall was reinstated and given back pay.
The ACLU of Virginia (1997-1999) represented Rita Warren and her mission
to erect a crèche on Fairfax County government space that had been set
aside as a public forum. The ACLU argued restricting the use of the
public forum to county residents only was an unreasonable restriction.
The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the ACLU.
The ACLU of Iowa (1997) represented Conservative Christians in Clarke
County and won the right to force a county referendum on gambling.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) represented
Carlyn Kline, a fundamentalist Christian woman who challenged the
legality of a mandatory divorce-counseling program conducted by Catholic
Charities. Her religious beliefs prohibited her from attending
'non-Christian' counseling.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) intervened on
behalf of a Mennonite nurse and prevented his firing for refusing to
shave his beard for religious reasons. The employer demanded the nurse
shave his beard so the state-issued mask to guard against tuberculosis
would fit tightly despite the employee's offer to purchase a more
expensive mask that would is approved for work with T.B. patients and
that would fit properly with his beard intact. After receiving
telephone calls and letters from the ACLU, the state employer agreed to
accommodate the nurse's religion.
Amish farmers benefited from the ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh
Chapter's letter threatening a lawsuit if the Elk Lick Township rescind
a municipal ordinance that prohibited farm tractors with steel wheels
from traveling on or over the township's roads. Amish religious beliefs
dictate that they maintain steel wheels on their tractors and the
ordinance prevented Amish farmers from moving their tractors from one
farm to another, and in some cases from one part of their property to
another. The township rescinded the ordinance in 1995 and dropped all
charges against the various persons charged under the ordinance.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) represented a
17-year-old foster child who was being forced to attend her foster
family's church. The foster child was Methodist and the church she was
being forced to attend was not of the Methodist faith. After the ACLU
threatened to sue the county allowed the child to attend a Methodist
church and placed her in a different foster home.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) secured the
right of a minister from the United Methodist Church to hold meetings in
the Harmony Township Borough building that was open for use by community
groups.
Iowa affiliate of the ACLU (1995) represented and vindicated the free
speech and religious expression of a conservative Christian activist,
Elaine Jaquith of Waterloo , who had been denied access to broadcast her
message on public television.
The ACLU of Texas (beginning in1995) represented Catholic and Mormon
Santa Fe High School students who opposed the proselytizing prayers
offered by the school's student council chaplain over the public address
system prior to home football games. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed
that public schools should not be used to proselytize on behalf of
religion. Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000)
The ACLU of Vermont (1994-95) represented evangelical Christians Freda
and Perry Hollyer, who were denied Medicaid and food stamp benefits
because they refused to obtain social security numbers for their
children. The Hollyers believed that obtaining social security numbers
for their children ran contrary to their understanding of the Book of
Revelations. The ACLU appealed the denial to the state's Human Services
Board. The Board ruled in favor of the Hollyers holding that the
state's legitimate interests in preventing fraud could be achieved
without use of a social security number. The Board's ruling is on file
with the ACLU's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.
The ACLU of Utah (1990s) represented an evangelical Christian ministry
that had been evicted and denied future access as a vendor at a state
fair because fair-goers objected to the religious content of the message.
Non-Christian religions:
The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) represented Muammar Ali, a Muslim football
player for New Mexico State , who was released from play following
repeated questioning about al-Qaida.
The ACLU of North Carolina (2005) filed a lawsuit challenging the
state's practice of refusing to allow non-Christians from taking an oath
in court using a religious text other than the Bible.
In response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU of Colorado (2005), the
Department of Corrections agreed to resume providing kosher meals to
Timothy Sheline, a Jewish prisoner, whose kosher diet was revoked for
one year as punishment for allegedly violating a dining hall rule by
taking two packages of butter and two packages of salad dressing and
placing them in his pocket to remove them from the dining hall.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) sued on behalf of a devout Muslim
firefighter, Curtis DeVeaux, for suspending the Muslim for refusing to
shave his beard as required by city regulations.
The ACLU of Wisconsin (2005) filed suit on behalf of Cynthia Rhouni, a
practicing Muslim woman, who was required to remove her headscarf in
front of male prison guards in order to visit her husband at the
Columbia Correctional Institution. Ms. Rhouni offered to remove her
headscarf and be searched by a female guard, but the prison would not
accommodate her request and respect her religious belief that her head
should not be uncovered in the presence of unrelated males.
The ACLU of Northern California (2005) filed a lawsuit in federal court
challenging restrictions on an asylum seeker's right to wear a religious
head covering. The plaintiff, Harpal Singh Cheema, is a devout Sikh,
imprisoned since 1997 while awaiting a decision on his asylum
application. The Sikh faith requires men to cover their heads at all
times, but Yuba County jail authorities will not permit Mr. Cheema to
leave his bed with his head covered.
The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) settled with the New Jersey Department of
Corrections on behalf of Patrick Pantusco, an inmate who practices Wicca
who was denied religious books and other religious items while in
prison. Persons of other religions were permitted to obtain religious
books and items specific to their religious practice. The prison's
denial of Mr. Pantusco's requests was based on the fact that the prison
refused to recognize Wicca as a legitimate religion. In the settlement,
the state agreed to permit Mr. Pantusco access to all requested items
and pay damages. The case is Pantusco v. Moore , et al. (D.N.J.).
The ACLU of Washington (2005) represented The Islamic Education Center
of Seattle, which was denied a conditional land use permit by the city
of Mountlake Terrace . The Center is a small nonprofit membership
organization founded primarily by Farsi-speaking (Iranian & Afghani)
Muslims living in the greater Seattle area. It holds prayer services on
Friday and Saturday evenings, sponsors educational programs like poetry
reading and language training, and holds various cultural and
traditional observances. The City denied the Center's land use permit
even though the property next door to the Center was a Christian church
that had received a similar permit. With the aid of the ACLU, the
Center was eventually awarded the necessary permit to allow it to operate.
The ACLU of Nebraska (2004) filed a suit against the city of Omaha on
behalf of Lubna Hussein, a practicing Muslim woman who wears a headscarf
and long sleeves for religious reasons, who was twice denied entry to
Deer Ridge pool property to watch her children swim for refusing to wear
a swimsuit. She did not intend on entering the pool to swim. The city
has since changed its policy allowing for medical and religious
exceptions to the swimsuit policy.
The ACLU of Virginia (2003) represented and filed suit on behalf of
Cynthia Simpson, a Wiccan who county leaders refused to add to a list of
religious leaders who could be invited to offer invocations at meetings
of the Chesterfield County board of Supervisors. The reason given for
refusing to add her to the list was that her religion was not of the
Judeo-Christian tradition. A federal magistrate judge found restricting
the invocations to Judeo-Christian prayers violated the constitutionally
required separation of church and state.
The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) brought suit on behalf of two
sophomore students and their parents against the Woodbine Community
School District challenging the district's decision to have the school
choir sing the Lord's Prayer at the graduation ceremony. The
sophomores, Donovan and Ruby Skarin, are members of the choir and do not
want to be forced to 'sing praise to a God that we don't even believe in.'
The ACLU of Maryland (2000) called on the Baltimore Police Department to
rescind grooming rules prohibiting dreadlocks and reinstate Rastafarian
police officer Antoine Chambers who was suspended for refusing to cut
off his dreadlocks, which violates his religious beliefs.
The ACLU of New Jersey (1999), the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty,
and the Anti-Defamation League won a lawsuit on behalf of Muslim police
officers who were barred by department grooming standards from
maintaining their beards, as required by their religious beliefs. The
officers, Faruq Abdul-Aziz and Shakoor Mustafa, are devout Sunni
Muslims. The case is Fraternal Order of Police Newark Lodge No. 12 v.
City of Newark, 170 F.3d 359 (3d Cir. 1999).
The ACLU of Oregon (1996-present) filed suits on behalf of Portland
student Remington Powell and his parents against the Portland School
District for allowing The Boy Scouts, a religious organization, to
recruit in public schools during school hours. The first case alleged
constitutional and statutory violations of the separation of church and
state. The second case alleged violation of state anti-discrimination
laws based on public schools allowing the Boy Scouts to recruit in
school despite the organization's history of religious and
sexual-orientation discrimination.
-- cary
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14 Sep 2007 07:03:22 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:53:08 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <ww4Gi.58368$t9.18958@bignews7.bellsouth.net> "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a case.
Oh?
The ACLU of Michigan (1999) obtained a favorable settlement on behalf
of Crystal Seifferly with Lincoln Park High School . As part of the
settlement, the school changed its policy prohibiting the wearing of
pentagrams, a symbol of the Wicca religion, of which Seifferly is an
adherent. The school deleted the policy's provision that stated that
pagans and witches are inappropriate in a school setting.
AHA!! See, they ARE a wicked, evil, nefarious, subversive,
anti-Christian, Un-American bunch of commie perverts! They only help the
Christians every now and then to cover their tracks, but I'M onto them!
They'll all burn in HELL, and I'll sit in Heaven, sipping the excellent
lemonade that the virgin women make, laughing, and urinating on them!!!
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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13 Sep 2007 03:31:41 AM |
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On 13 sep, 08:14, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a case.
Lying as usual, Wentzky?
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
The ACLU is fully engaged in defending a broad range of constitutional
rights, including rights related to freedom of religion and belief. It
is sometimes wrongly imagined that the ACLU does not vigorously
protect rights of freedom of religion, particularly of Christians. The
following recent cases illustrate just how wrong these misconceptions
are. Although the cases listed below are under the categories of
"Christians" and "non-Christian" (representing the religious beliefs
of those who were defended), constitutional rights belong to everyone
and not only to people of particular religious faiths. The ACLU is
also proud of its work defending the rights of everyone by ensuring
that the Establishment Clause is fully respected.
....
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Ah... the usual reliable, balanced and unbiased source...
Since you said so, VERBATIM!
You're obviously too stupid to know what "irony" is...
The fact that a fascist (J Young) and a convicted pervert (you)
systematically attack the ACLU speaks volumes about your respect for
freedom of speech in the USA and the principles on which your country
is built. Why do you hate your country so much, convict Wentzky?
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13 Sep 2007 05:40:11 PM |
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<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189672301.996181.104550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 08:14, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Lying as usual, Wentzky?
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
The ACLU is fully engaged in defending a broad range of constitutional
rights, including rights related to freedom of religion and belief. It
is sometimes wrongly imagined that the ACLU does not vigorously
protect rights of freedom of religion, particularly of Christians. The
following recent cases illustrate just how wrong these misconceptions
are. Although the cases listed below are under the categories of
"Christians" and "non-Christian" (representing the religious beliefs
of those who were defended), constitutional rights belong to everyone
and not only to people of particular religious faiths. The ACLU is
also proud of its work defending the rights of everyone by ensuring
that the Establishment Clause is fully respected.
...
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Ah... the usual reliable, balanced and unbiased source...
Since you said so, VERBATIM!
You're obviously too stupid to know what "irony" is...
Is that why if you put what you typed in affidavit form it would be you who
substantiated the truthfulness of a site you seemingly are against?
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13 Sep 2007 06:58:30 PM |
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In article <e%iGi.42440$wN3.14195@bignews2.bellsouth.net> "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189672301.996181.104550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 08:14, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Lying as usual, Wentzky?
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
What year did which one occur?
He provided you with a link to 47 different cases in which the ACLU
acted on behalf of religious litigants, cases over a range of
ten years.
Which of those 47 different cases are you asking about?
-- cary
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14 Sep 2007 12:32:42 AM |
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189672301.996181.104550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 08:14, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189662372.150564.249100@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 13 sep, 07:22, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Notice the omission of the ACLU from this article.
Has the ACLU been asked to intervene?
How often do we have to tell you how ACLU works?
Are you stupid or do you just play stupid for our entertainment?
Who would ask them after they presented so many cases against religious
groups?
Their reputation doesn't exactly beg for them to be invited in such a
case.
Lying as usual, Wentzky?
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
It occur? It seems as though you think there was only one case. Didn't
you read the cite given? No, after all it is you that tried to *****
your way through. If you had read the cite you would have found there
were 39 Christian cases and 15 non-Christian cases in the list extending
back to 1995. What a fucking hopeless hunk of ***** you are.
The ACLU is fully engaged in defending a broad range of constitutional
rights, including rights related to freedom of religion and belief. It
is sometimes wrongly imagined that the ACLU does not vigorously
protect rights of freedom of religion, particularly of Christians. The
following recent cases illustrate just how wrong these misconceptions
are. Although the cases listed below are under the categories of
"Christians" and "non-Christian" (representing the religious beliefs
of those who were defended), constitutional rights belong to everyone
and not only to people of particular religious faiths. The ACLU is
also proud of its work defending the rights of everyone by ensuring
that the Establishment Clause is fully respected.
...
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07091203.html
Ah... the usual reliable, balanced and unbiased source...
Since you said so, VERBATIM!
You're obviously too stupid to know what "irony" is...
Is that why if you put what you typed in affidavit form it would be you who
substantiated the truthfulness of a site you seemingly are against?
Is it possible for you to translate your last paragraph into something
resembling English. At present it appears to be something typed by a
monkey.
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Bernard
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13 Sep 2007 07:27:27 PM |
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
Too drunk to click the link?
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
The next time somebody tells you to get a clue, answer back with: "Mrs. Peacock. The
wrench. In the library."
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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14 Sep 2007 07:06:09 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:27:27 -0400, Dionisio wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
Too drunk to click the link?
LOL! It reminds me of Randi's comment on L. Ron Hubbard: "I met the man
twice. Both times, he was drunk."
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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14 Sep 2007 07:16:10 AM |
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"MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.09.14.12.06.07.696254@nowhere.com...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:27:27 -0400, Dionisio wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
Too drunk to click the link?
LOL! It reminds me of Randi's comment on L. Ron Hubbard: "I met the man
twice. Both times, he was drunk."
He was? Did you take a blood alcohol level or do a sobriety test? How do
you know he was drunk?
He could be diabetic for all you know, or be taking medication.
Do you just go around and make assumptions like this, without actually
knowing?
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14 Sep 2007 10:06:49 AM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.09.14.12.06.07.696254@nowhere.com...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:27:27 -0400, Dionisio wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
Too drunk to click the link?
LOL! It reminds me of Randi's comment on L. Ron Hubbard: "I met the man
twice. Both times, he was drunk."
He was? Did you take a blood alcohol level or do a sobriety test?
How do you know he was drunk?
He could be diabetic for all you know, or be taking medication.
Do you just go around and make assumptions like this, without actually
knowing?
On the contrary, do you know how to distinguish between quotes and
statements? MarkA quoted Randi's comment about L. Ron Hubbard as
a joke, and Dionisio made a wisecrack about Wentzky (who it seems
is waiting for his trial on a DUI / resisting arrest / assaulting
a police officer thing).
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14 Sep 2007 10:06:28 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:877imt8ewm.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.09.14.12.06.07.696254@nowhere.com...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:27:27 -0400, Dionisio wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res20060824.html
ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom
Ok, so what year did that occur?
Too drunk to click the link?
LOL! It reminds me of Randi's comment on L. Ron Hubbard: "I met the
man
twice. Both times, he was drunk."
He was? Did you take a blood alcohol level or do a sobriety test?
How do you know he was drunk?
He could be diabetic for all you know, or be taking medication.
Do you just go around and make assumptions like this, without actually
knowing?
On the contrary, do you know how to distinguish between quotes and
statements?
My mistake, and I apologize to Mark.
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14 Sep 2007 12:21:20 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
My mistake, and I apologize to Mark.
You might consider using a newsreader (Gnus, the one I use has
this capability) that color codes quoted text based on the number
of '>' and similar symbols at the start of a line. It makes it
easier to tell who said what without having to count '>' symbols,
which can be error prone when the level of quotes of quotes is
high.
The color coding is done locally by the newsreader, and works with
regular text - it is not an HTML thing.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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14 Sep 2007 12:23:56 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87tzpxqi27.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
My mistake, and I apologize to Mark.
You might consider using a newsreader (Gnus, the one I use has
this capability) that color codes quoted text based on the number
of '>' and similar symbols at the start of a line.
Thanks, I might take that advice. The problem is, sometimes I'm doing a few
things at one time when reading some of these postings and I go through them
so fast. Not to make excuses, that's my fault.
It makes it
easier to tell who said what without having to count '>' symbols,
which can be error prone when the level of quotes of quotes is
high.
The color coding is done locally by the newsreader, and works with
regular text - it is not an HTML thing.
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| User: "Gwenyth Bennet" |
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14 Sep 2007 01:51:08 PM |
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On Sep 14, 12:23 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"No One" <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87tzpxqi27.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> writes:
My mistake, and I apologize to Mark.
You might consider using a newsreader (Gnus, the one I use has
this capability) that color codes quoted text based on the number
of '>' and similar symbols at the start of a line.
Thanks, I might take that advice. The problem is, sometimes I'm doing a few
things at one time when reading some of these postings and I go through them
so fast. Not to make excuses, that's my fault.
So then it's your carelessness -- not your newsreader -- that needs a
change.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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15 Sep 2007 08:42:29 AM |
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In article <1189795868.218473.105010@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Gwenyth Bennet <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 14, 12:23 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"No One" <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87tzpxqi27.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> writes:
My mistake, and I apologize to Mark.
You might consider using a newsreader (Gnus, the one I use has
this capability) that color codes quoted text based on the number
of '>' and similar symbols at the start of a line.
Thanks, I might take that advice. The problem is, sometimes I'm doing a few
things at one time when reading some of these postings and I go through them
so fast. Not to make excuses, that's my fault.
So then it's your carelessness -- not your newsreader -- that needs a
change.
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
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15 Sep 2007 09:42:18 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded? I tried a google search, but there were so many
people dumping on him that it wasn't worth the time to try to figure out
what he might have done. Was it work related or did it have something
to do with the New York Times or both?
Larry Craig should have filed his guilty plea on usenet - then with
all the ranting, nobody would be able to find it. :-)
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15 Sep 2007 12:51:33 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87abrooulv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> writes:
He is all excuses. His carelessness also got him in trouble at work.
If he had been forthcoming, instead of making excuses and trying the
blame two others, (one of whom was not even there at the time) he might
not have been reprimanded.
How was he reprimanded?
Thank you!
Finally, someone asked.
Fact:
I was never reprimanded for anything No One.
Barnes has made up this very long story, and it's all fabricated.
I tried a google search, but there were so many
people dumping on him that it wasn't worth the time to try to figure out
what he might have done. Was it work related or did it have something
to do with the New York Times or both?
Larry Craig should have filed his guilty plea on usenet - then with
all the ranting, nobody would be able to find it. :-)
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