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21 Apr 2006 10:16:09 PM |
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Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in San Diego
federal court after the principal at Poway High School refused to let the
student attend class wearing a T-shirt scrawled with the message
"homosexuality is shameful."
Harper was a sophomore at Poway High in 2004 when he wore the T-shirt the
day after a group called the Gay-Straight Alliance held a "Day of Silence"
to protest intolerance of gays and lesbians. The year before, the campus was
disrupted by protests and conflicts between students over the Day of
Silence.
After Harper refused to take off the T-shirt, Poway High School's principal
kept Harper out of class and assigned him to do homework in a conference
room for the rest of the day. He was not suspended from school
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J Young
youngopinions@aol.com
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21 Apr 2006 10:56:28 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
Usually in this sort of case, the ACLU gets involved after someone
asks the organization for help. Did his parents do that? Also, the
court seemed to have ruled based on other precedents - that's what
"unlikely to prevail" indicates.
But out of curiosity, what is J. Young's opinion on mandatory school
uniforms and would he want kids going into school with tee shirts that
said, "women are sex objects" (perhaps worded more crudely)?
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:35:03 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3bquuw9l1.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely
to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his
First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
Usually in this sort of case, the ACLU gets involved after someone
asks the organization for help. Did his parents do that? Also, the
court seemed to have ruled based on other precedents - that's what
"unlikely to prevail" indicates.
But out of curiosity, what is J. Young's opinion on mandatory school
uniforms and would he want kids going into school with tee shirts that
said, "women are sex objects" (perhaps worded more crudely)?
aren't they?
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:41:03 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Reudnd-zN6RHAtTZ4p2dnA@giganews.com...
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing
a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely
to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his
First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
i dunno about shameful, but definitely funny!
Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in San Diego
a kid with a ***** name wearing an anti-***** shirt. haha! tyler the
picklechugger!
federal court after the principal at Poway High School refused to let the
student attend class wearing a T-shirt scrawled with the message
"homosexuality is shameful."
Harper was a sophomore at Poway High in 2004 when he wore the T-shirt the
day after a group called the Gay-Straight Alliance held a "Day of Silence"
by the way, there's no such thing as a "gay-straight" alliance. it's really
a "closet fag-openly fag" alliance.
to protest intolerance of gays and lesbians. The year before, the campus
was
disrupted by protests and conflicts between students over the Day of
Silence.
After Harper refused to take off the T-shirt, Poway High School's
principal
kept Harper out of class and assigned him to do homework in a conference
room for the rest of the day. He was not suspended from school
the little ***** should have worn a shirt with a funny punchline. faggots
exist for the sole purpose of making us laugh, doesn't this little publicly
edumacated ***** know that?
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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22 Apr 2006 01:33:31 AM |
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*The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
*line' are denied their freedom of expression.
*
*http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shi...
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*SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from
wearing a
*T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
*dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
*could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
Why do you systematically protect racists, homophobic, bigots?
Why do your sense of "freedom of expression" doesn't allow to call Bush
an ***** in class?
What would you say to someone with a tee-shirt that says "The USA
deverve more 9 / 11"?
Why don't you answer these questions? Because you're an hypocrite...
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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21 Apr 2006 10:26:51 PM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the lib=
eral
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Like Rush Limbaugh? Oh, oops. The ACLU is helping him.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. =97 Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh (search) probably=
=20
never expected the American Civil Liberties Union (search) to become one =
of his staunch supporters.
But the privacy rights group was on his side Monday when its Florida=20
branch filed a "friend-of-court" motion on behalf of Limbaugh arguing=20
state officials were wrong in seizing his medical records for their drug =
probe.
and
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/14969prs20040112.html
PALM BEACH, FL - In a motion filed today, the American Civil Liberties=20
Union of Florida said state law enforcement officers violated Rush=20
Limbaugh's privacy rights by seizing the conservative radio talk show=20
host's medical records as part of a criminal investigation involving=20
alleged "doctor-shopping."
You see, the ACLU protects freedom of speech, it does not protect the=20
right of a teacher to lie about groups of people.
--=20
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "Torture has never been a reliable means of *
* extracting information.... One wonders why it *
* is still practiced." --Jean-Luc Picard *
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| User: "Thrasher Remailer" |
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22 Apr 2006 02:40:56 AM |
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The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Like Rush Limbaugh? Oh, oops. The ACLU is helping him.
One never needs a plumber until, well,
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| User: "" |
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22 Apr 2006 08:26:52 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Like Rush Limbaugh? Oh, oops. The ACLU is helping him.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh (search) probably
never expected the American Civil Liberties Union (search) to become one
of his staunch supporters.
But the privacy rights group was on his side Monday when its Florida
branch filed a "friend-of-court" motion on behalf of Limbaugh arguing
state officials were wrong in seizing his medical records for their drug
probe.
and
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/14969prs20040112.html
PALM BEACH, FL - In a motion filed today, the American Civil Liberties
Union of Florida said state law enforcement officers violated Rush
Limbaugh's privacy rights by seizing the conservative radio talk show
host's medical records as part of a criminal investigation involving
alleged "doctor-shopping."
You see, the ACLU protects freedom of speech, it does not protect the
right of a teacher to lie about groups of people.
Had the teacher worn a t-shirt saying "I am ashamed of being gay", the
ACLU would have defended him, because that would have been true.
VV
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:08:49 PM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter
had her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's
in fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her
fucking pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
warning her next time to send my child home before she takes her pants
away from her. I even threatened civil action.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Member, Earthquack's 666 club
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:38:09 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:sMKdndJhTPO3MdTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing
a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
haha! jesus /is/ a *****! he's also a fucking ***** who had 12 guys
*****-raping him and drinking his blood.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter had
her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's in
fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her fucking
pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take a
look.
warning her next time to send my child home before she takes her pants
away from her. I even threatened civil action.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Member, Earthquack's 666 club
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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22 Apr 2006 01:04:55 AM |
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Jeff White wrote:
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take a
look.
Forwarded to
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Member, Earthquack's 666 club
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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23 Apr 2006 03:43:10 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:U6CdnXWwc-nCWtTZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff White wrote:
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take
a look.
Forwarded to
forward all you want, but comcast won't give a flying *****. you're *****
under the corporate heel, little prole.
by the way, the fact that you haven't posted a picture yet tells me that
your daughter is probably fat and dumpy, so a pre-emptive thank you for
/not/ posting her picture.
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22 Apr 2006 12:35:22 AM |
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Jeff White wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:sMKdndJhTPO3MdTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing
a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
haha! jesus /is/ a *****! he's also a fucking ***** who had 12 guys
*****-raping him and drinking his blood.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter had
her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's in
fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her fucking
pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take a
look.
*****!!! I just nominated you for an AQOTM nomination, and now I'm sorry
I did, you fucking pedophile. People like you give atheism a bad name,
you SICK *****!!!
<PLONK>
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Member, Earthquack's 666 club
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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23 Apr 2006 03:39:36 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:D8SdnaTTx_fvXdTZ4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Jeff White wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:sMKdndJhTPO3MdTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from
wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
haha! jesus /is/ a *****! he's also a fucking ***** who had 12 guys
*****-raping him and drinking his blood.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter
had her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's
in fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her
fucking pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take
a look.
*****!!! I just nominated you for an AQOTM nomination, and now I'm sorry I
did, you fucking pedophile. People like you give atheism a bad name, you
SICK *****!!!
<PLONK>
now i'm a pedophile? you never mentioned how old your daughter is, you only
stated that she is younger. i assumed she was of breeding age.
you know how it goes, if she has tits and fuzz, it isn't pedophilia, unless
you're clinging to this arbitrary religious notion that anything that is a
picosecond or more less than 18 years is "pedophilia." unfortunately by age
18, most of a woman's perk is already spent.
so much for your fucking objectivity. by the way, you never mentioned if
you'd bang her. it's ok to answer, there's no god that's going to punish
you.
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22 Apr 2006 01:40:47 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Jeff White wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:sMKdndJhTPO3MdTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing
a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high
school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the
school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
haha! jesus /is/ a *****! he's also a fucking ***** who had 12 guys
*****-raping him and drinking his blood.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter had
her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's in
fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her fucking
pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
i'll drink to that! many of these girls in ripped pants should take them
off. have you seen their hot fucking asses?
btw is your daughter hot and would you bang her if you had the chance? if
she is hot, post a picture of her in her ripped pants so we can all take a
look.
*****!!! I just nominated you for an AQOTM nomination, and now I'm sorry
I did, you fucking pedophile. People like you give atheism a bad name,
you SICK *****!!!
Maybe not a pedophile. Probably a troll. Definitely an *****.
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| User: "Bonnie B" |
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22 Apr 2006 04:45:40 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:08:49 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com>
somewhoringtroll@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter
had her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's
in fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her
fucking pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
warning her next time to send my child home before she takes her pants
away from her. I even threatened civil action.
Uhm, not to be nosy, but I'm assuming she was given replacement pants
to wear, right?
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22 Apr 2006 03:29:02 PM |
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Bonnie B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:08:49 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com>
somewhoringtroll@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter
had her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's
in fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her
fucking pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
warning her next time to send my child home before she takes her pants
away from her. I even threatened civil action.
Uhm, not to be nosy, but I'm assuming she was given replacement pants
to wear, right?
Gym shorts from her locker, of course...
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Member, Earthquack's 666 club
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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| User: "Bonnie B" |
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22 Apr 2006 04:32:02 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:29:02 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com>
Bonnie B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:08:49 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com>
somewhoringtroll@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
I hate dress codes. I think it's discrimination. My younger daughter
had her pants taken away from her because they had rips in them. That's
in fashion these days! Well, screw the discrimination, they took her
fucking pants away from her! I shot the principal a terse E-mail
warning her next time to send my child home before she takes her pants
away from her. I even threatened civil action.
Uhm, not to be nosy, but I'm assuming she was given replacement pants
to wear, right?
Gym shorts from her locker, of course...
Get out!
The pants were bad, but those revealing gym shorts were ok? What
flavor of crack was that ***** principal smoking, because I want to
avoid it.
I hope you sue the ***** out of 'em.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Apr 2006 11:42:00 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Uncle Vic in episode
<sMKdndJhTPO3MdTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com>...
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from
wearing a T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his
high school's dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals
court ruled the school could restrict what students wear to prevent
disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
Imagine how Young would defend the right of a student to wear a T-shirt
with commentary on "priestly butt pirates."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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28 Apr 2006 03:04:59 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
The difference is though that Jesus is a fictional character who can
hardly be offended by it.
RS
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| User: "thomas p" |
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29 Apr 2006 10:50:17 AM |
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On 28 Apr 2006 01:04:59 -0700, "Richard Smol" <richard.smol@gmail.com>
wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
I suppose I can agree with that one. Imagine the disruption if someone
wore a "Jesus is a *****" T-Shirt to school.
The difference is though that Jesus is a fictional character who can
hardly be offended by it.
RS
And, even if he was real, how could an all-powerful god be offended?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Fester" |
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22 Apr 2006 10:58:48 AM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in San Diego
federal court after the principal at Poway High School refused to let the
student attend class wearing a T-shirt scrawled with the message
"homosexuality is shameful."
Harper was a sophomore at Poway High in 2004 when he wore the T-shirt the
day after a group called the Gay-Straight Alliance held a "Day of Silence"
to protest intolerance of gays and lesbians. The year before, the campus was
disrupted by protests and conflicts between students over the Day of
Silence.
After Harper refused to take off the T-shirt, Poway High School's principal
kept Harper out of class and assigned him to do homework in a conference
room for the rest of the day. He was not suspended from school
I think that Bill Clinton got it right (yes, that's right, I said that)
in terms of advocating school uniforms for public schools. Schools are
not the place for unrestricted expression, they are there for children
to learn. Students do not have the same rights as adults, in that the
school is acting as their guardian during the school day. We should not
tolerate displays that detract from the school's mission.
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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22 Apr 2006 06:08:42 AM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
It's not legal to wear, say, or otherwise display a message that could
pose a threat to public safety. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater!
WK
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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22 Apr 2006 12:24:38 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:42 GMT, Wunderkind <a@b.com> wrote in
message <_8o2g.74206$dW3.3145@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
It's not legal to wear, say, or otherwise display a message that could
pose a threat to public safety. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater!
WK
J.Young/IBen suggests that students should be able to speechify during
class, too, I suppose. If they were prohibited from doing so, and
forced, say, to pay attention to their teacher and learn something, it
would violate their "freedom of speech."
It's a school. Kids do not have full rights in schools. They are,
for example, subject to certain rules designed to ensure the
institution as a whole operates smoothly and safely. Promulgation of
religious hate is not protected speech, no matter how they spin it.
How about a t-shirt saying "Black is shameful."
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
22 Apr 2006 01:57:54 PM |
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Boy Toy wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:42 GMT, Wunderkind <a@b.com> wrote in
message <_8o2g.74206$dW3.3145@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
It's not legal to wear, say, or otherwise display a message that could
pose a threat to public safety. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater!
J.Young/IBen suggests that students should be able to speechify during
class, too, I suppose. If they were prohibited from doing so, and
forced, say, to pay attention to their teacher and learn something, it
would violate their "freedom of speech."
It's a school. Kids do not have full rights in schools. They are,
for example, subject to certain rules designed to ensure the
institution as a whole operates smoothly and safely. Promulgation of
religious hate is not protected speech, no matter how they spin it.
Hate speech usually is protected outside of K-12 settings. The only
additional circumstances which warrant restrictions in K-12 (Tinker -
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=393&invol=503)
are words which would substantially interfere with 1) school discipline
or 2) the rights of others. Hate speech may or may not qualify
depending on the details - and it is the details that make this ruling
controversial.
How about a t-shirt saying "Black is shameful."
If it disrupted school discipline, it is not protected. Otherwise, it
is not clear if it violates the "rights of others".
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Lady Carrigaholt" |
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| Title: Re: Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
22 Apr 2006 01:12:07 AM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060420-1304-ca-bannedt-shirt.html
SAN FRANCISCO - A suburban San Diego teenager who was barred from wearing a
T-shirt with anti-gay rhetoric to class lost a bid to have his high school's
dress code suspended Thursday after a federal appeals court ruled the school
could restrict what students wear to prevent disruptions.
The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
addressed only the narrow issue of whether the dress code should be
unenforced pending the outcome of the student's lawsuit.
A majority of judges said, however, that Tyler Chase Harper was unlikely to
prevail on claims that the Poway Unified School District violated his First
Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion for keeping him out of
class when he wore a shirt with the message "homosexuality is shameful."
Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in San Diego
federal court after the principal at Poway High School refused to let the
student attend class wearing a T-shirt scrawled with the message
"homosexuality is shameful."
Harper was a sophomore at Poway High in 2004 when he wore the T-shirt the
day after a group called the Gay-Straight Alliance held a "Day of Silence"
to protest intolerance of gays and lesbians. The year before, the campus was
disrupted by protests and conflicts between students over the Day of
Silence.
After Harper refused to take off the T-shirt, Poway High School's principal
kept Harper out of class and assigned him to do homework in a conference
room for the rest of the day. He was not suspended from school
I am sure that the Christian Right would prtest if I, as a Catholic, sent my
children to school with a famous quote of Cardinal Ratzinger's on their
shirts:"Fundamentalism is a form of Intellectual Suicide"
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:52:46 PM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
That's because the "Liberty Council", a KKKristian law firm
specialising in "freedom of religion" issues, stepped in first and is
representing the student.
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
21 Apr 2006 10:52:27 PM |
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wrote:
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the liberal
line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Has the student requested ACLU help? They can't very well defend him
without his consent. I'd be surprised if they didn't file an amicus
curiae brief, though.
[]
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| User: "Thrasher Remailer" |
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22 Apr 2006 04:07:10 AM |
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The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Generally you have to first call them before they will even consider
a case. Make any sense moron?
I have an idea, since the ACLU always seems to be missing-in-action when
it comes to the right wingers rights, why don't you people start your
own ACLU??
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
22 Apr 2006 05:16:36 AM |
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"Thrasher Remailer" <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:04RFQANX38829.7133101852@reece.net.au...
I have an idea, since the ACLU always seems to be missing-in-action when
it comes to the right wingers rights, why don't you people start your
own ACLU??
Civil liberty for right wingers is about as productive as freedom for a
prisoner..
Ask the Christian Coalition (www.cc.org).
They provide legal and even financial assistance to people who kill doctors,
bomb clinics, and such.
When the Abu Ghraib terrorists were charged for their crimes - the Coalition
was all over it - volunteering any way they could.
They used to have non-profit status.
They got it by calling themselves a christian ministry or church or
somesuch.
About 20 yrs ago, they were reclassified when the courts were notified that
they were not a church.
That's why you don't hear much about right-wing defenders of civil
liberties.
They are morally opposed to civil liberties - and end up losing their own.
You might just as well move to Bush's Afghanistan for it's religious
freedom.
--
NeoChristians and al Quaedans don't respond to torture.
NeoChristians and al Quaedans don't respond to diplomacy.
They can only be stopped through seizure and destruction of their property
and lives.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Court says high school can bar anti-gay T-shirt |
22 Apr 2006 11:40:14 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Thrasher Remailer in episode
<04RFQANX38829.7133101852@reece.net.au>...
The ACLU never seems to be around when Americans who 'don't tow the
liberal line' are denied their freedom of expression.
Generally you have to first call them before they will even consider a
case. Make any sense moron?
I have an idea, since the ACLU always seems to be missing-in-action when
it comes to the right wingers rights, why don't you people start your own
ACLU??
They did. Who do you think's behind this flap? It's called the "Alliance
Defense Fund" and it's over here:
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/main/default.aspx
Founded by people such as D. "is Dominionist" James "Down with the
Constitution" Kennedy and James "Show your penis to your son" Dobson.
This is just another one of their little staged events, dressed up to look
like a "civil rights" fight, on the way to establishing a theocratic
state. And, no, I'm not exaggerating. Dominionists really ought to be on a
FBI watch list as they're pretty open that they intend to essentially
overthrow our current government.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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