Religions > Atheism > Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
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Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
The original intent of the Founding Fathers was upheld this week by an
appeals court in Minnesota, reports the Pioneer Press of St. Paul. The
ruling blocked a "gay" teacher's attempt to sue the Christian
school that discharged him because of his homosexuality.
"This was clear-cut," said Robert Knight, director of Concerned
Women for America's (CWA's) Culture & Family Institute: "If a
church school can't tell a teacher not to flout Biblical morality,
the school might as well go out of business, which is what the ACLU and
other God-haters are really trying to accomplish. The court rejected
the activist role that other courts have taken, and wisely upheld the
First Amendment rights of the Lutherans to determine their own
standards."
The teacher, referred to as John FR Doe in the court's ruling, was
ordained as a minister by Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod in 1973.
According to court documents, he served as campus pastor to the
Lutheran High School of Greater Minnesota in Bloomington from 1976 to
1979. He returned to that position in 1993. His duties included
conducting school chapel services and counseling students. When his
homosexuality became known to the bishop of Doe's synod, Doe was
asked to resign. He then sued the high school and the Lutheran
Church-Missouri Synod for discrimination.
The Lutheran High School of Greater Minnesota is affiliated with the
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. Lutheran schools make up the largest
Protestant parochial school system in the United States.
The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod has taken an unequivocal stance
against homosexuality. According to court documents, the synod in 1973
called homosexual behavior "intrinsically sinful." In 1999 it
published a document titled "A plan for Ministry to Homosexuals and
Their Families," which describes homosexuality as "the tragic
result of original sin."
The Minnesota State Court of Appeals on Tuesday upheld a district
court's decision that hearing Doe's suit would violate the
separation of church and state.
"We all talk about the separation of church and state. This is what
it's all about," said the school's attorney William Hart to the
Pioneer Press. "People don't have the right to challenge church
doctrine in court. Otherwise, the state would define what religions
could and could not believe."
The Supreme Court's 1971 decision Lemon v. Kurtzman set the standard
for determining if a state action violates the First Amendment.
According to the so-called Lemon test, the government's action must
have a secular purpose, must not advance or inhibit religion and must
not excessively entangle government with religion. If the action meets
these three criteria, it is constitutional.
In accordance with this precedent, the Minnesota Court of Appeals ruled
that it may not decide whether or not Doe's discharge was
discriminatory. His lawsuit would force the court to conduct a
"searching inquiry" into a church's doctrine and administration.
This would violate the Lemon test's third criteria of avoiding
"excessive entanglement."
Doe also argued the high school's actions violated the Minnesota
Human Rights Act, which prohibits discharge based on "sexual
orientation." Religious associations, however, are exempt from this
prohibition. The court rejected Doe's argument that the high school
and the synod do not qualify for the exemption.
In making this determination, the court relied on a 2004 case involving
a mailroom employee discharged from the Billy Graham Evangelistic
Association. That decision established that the Minnesota Human Rights
Act exemption also applied to nonprofit religious organizations engaged
in a religious business activity.
It is not yet known if Doe will appeal the decision.
Reflecting on the court's decision, David Strand, Director of Public
Affairs for the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, said, "Of course
we're sad that someone lost their job, but we're very relieved the
court upheld our First Amendment rights."
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
12 Sep 2005 06:40:46 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
I don't make the facts, I just observe that they are what they are.
No, you don't. Sunday is the Christian Sabbath
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
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12 Sep 2005 09:31:54 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
I don't make the facts, I just observe that they are what they are.
No, you don't. Sunday is the Christian Sabbath
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
The Bible isn't a dictionary, dimwit. If you don't even know what the
words mean then you shouldn't be trying to argue.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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13 Sep 2005 03:43:07 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Ray Fischer:
Dionisio wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
I don't make the facts, I just observe that they are what they are.
No, you don't. Sunday is the Christian Sabbath
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
The Bible isn't a dictionary, dimwit. If you don't even know what the
words mean then you shouldn't be trying to argue.
OK, this is all very cute and ironic, but can the people occupying the same
side of this argument stop attacking each other now?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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13 Sep 2005 06:20:26 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
The Bible isn't a dictionary, dimwit. If you don't even know what the
words mean then you shouldn't be trying to argue.
Only one of us appears to consider the possibility of the Bible being a
dictionary. And since I know better...
Come now, surely you can peruse the book which Christianity is
supposedly based on and come up with a historic command, precedent, or
other item in support of your position... Say, something passed on by
God, Jesus, or one of the prophets.
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Sep 2005 11:31:07 AM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
The Bible isn't a dictionary, dimwit. If you don't even know what the
words mean then you shouldn't be trying to argue.
Only one of us appears to consider the possibility of the Bible being a
dictionary.
You.
And since I know better...
If you supposedly know better then why are you asking for the Bible
definition of the word "sabbath"? Because you're an idiot?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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13 Sep 2005 07:55:42 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
If you supposedly know better then why are you asking for the Bible
definition of the word "sabbath"? Because you're an idiot?
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was changed
from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth. (That is your
claim after all. One assumes you've got something a little more
formidable than "because I say so" to back it up.) Naturally, if you can
cite Bible verse, you'll get extra points. I've heard that God is
supposed to be a tripartite deity, but never realized He also fostered
the tripartite "day-ity." Surely there is some historic explanation. The
faithful didn't just suddenly get hedonistic and decide to change things
"just for the Hell of it," did they?
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
13 Sep 2005 10:59:42 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
If you supposedly know better then why are you asking for the Bible
definition of the word "sabbath"? Because you're an idiot?
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was changed
from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth.
The "first" day of a cycle liek the beginning of a circle is a silly notion.
(That is your
claim after all.
I made no such claim.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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14 Sep 2005 06:13:27 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
(That is your
claim after all.
I made no such claim.
Now, now, you're on record as stating that the Jews claim Saturday as
the Sabbath, the Muslims Friday, and the Christians Sunday.
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Sep 2005 03:53:11 AM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was changed
from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth.
The "first" day of a cycle like the beginning of a circle is a silly notion.
(That is your
claim after all.
I made no such claim.
Now, now,
You lied about what I wrote.
you're on record as stating that the Jews claim Saturday as
the Sabbath,
Which has nothing to do with changing the Sabbath.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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15 Sep 2005 08:19:32 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
You lied about what I wrote.
So you didn't state that Christians observe the Sabbath on Sunday, and
the Muslims observe it on Friday? Fascinating.
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Sep 2005 09:26:25 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
You lied about what I wrote.
So you didn't state
No.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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16 Sep 2005 11:21:20 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
You lied about what I wrote.
So you didn't state
No.
Poor dear, not able to set the "X-noarchive" attribute.
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Sep 2005 11:33:47 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
not able to set the "X-noarchive" attribute.
Whine to somebody who cares.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "V.O. here@there" |
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14 Sep 2005 05:04:00 AM |
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Dionisio wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
If you supposedly know better then why are you asking for the Bible
definition of the word "sabbath"? Because you're an idiot?
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was changed
from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth. (That is your
claim after all. One assumes you've got something a little more
formidable than "because I say so" to back it up.) Naturally, if you can
cite Bible verse, you'll get extra points. I've heard that God is
supposed to be a tripartite deity, but never realized He also fostered
the tripartite "day-ity." Surely there is some historic explanation. The
faithful didn't just suddenly get hedonistic and decide to change things
"just for the Hell of it," did they?
It's way, way, way over your head.
Your statement above has all the intellect of an eight year old trying
to tell his buddies about his 18 year old's sister,s algebra and trying
to sound intelligent. He is very convincing to the other 8 year olds
because he uses a few words even if out of context. They are very
impressed and form a club with him as the leader.
BRRRAAHAHHAAAAA snicker snicker
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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14 Sep 2005 06:17:00 AM |
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V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was
changed from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth.
(That is your claim after all. One assumes you've got something a
little more formidable than "because I say so" to back it up.)
Naturally, if you can cite Bible verse, you'll get extra points. I've
heard that God is supposed to be a tripartite deity, but never
realized He also fostered the tripartite "day-ity." Surely there is
some historic explanation. The faithful didn't just suddenly get
hedonistic and decide to change things "just for the Hell of it," did
they?
It's way, way, way over your head.
I've admitted that I don't understand it. I've been open in seeking to
discover the explanation. Can you shed some light on it?
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Jenn" |
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13 Sep 2005 08:48:07 PM |
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In article <iyKVe.21828$uD6.2804@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
If you supposedly know better then why are you asking for the Bible
definition of the word "sabbath"? Because you're an idiot?
Actually, I'm asking for your explanation of why the Sabbath was changed
from the 7th day of the week to the first and the fifth.
Don't forget the third day, set aside for Bingo.
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| User: "V.O. here@there" |
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12 Sep 2005 07:22:36 PM |
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Dionisio wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
I don't make the facts, I just observe that they are what they are.
No, you don't. Sunday is the Christian Sabbath
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up your
assertion?
It's the next verse after where it states that "Saturday" is Sabbath.
Can you state which moon and the relation to the Nile flooding after
which adjustment for constellation position was the first "Sabbath"
celebrated after Moses came down from the mountain?
What happened to the "day" count on the day the earth stood still?
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There is an
explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
There are actually answers to the above.
Anxiously waiting.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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13 Sep 2005 06:13:37 AM |
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V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up
your assertion?
It's the next verse after where it states that "Saturday" is Sabbath.
Hmm... Given your track record, you'll naturally pardon my asking you to
cite which verse you had in mind.
Can you state which moon and the relation to the Nile flooding after
which adjustment for constellation position was the first "Sabbath"
celebrated after Moses came down from the mountain?
So far as is known, there is only one moon orbiting planet earth.
What happened to the "day" count on the day the earth stood still?
Someone uttered "Klatu, Barada, Nikto." (Pardon any spelling errors,
it's been a while.)
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There is
an explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
Hmm. "Physical," eh? Well now, *that* should make for an interesting
explanation. By all means: Tell.
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "V.O. here@there" |
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13 Sep 2005 09:27:22 AM |
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Dionisio wrote:
V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Fascinating. Naturally you've got something in the Bible to back up
your assertion?
It's the next verse after where it states that "Saturday" is Sabbath.
Hmm... Given your track record, you'll naturally pardon my asking you to
cite which verse you had in mind.
The first doesn't exist hence ------
Can you state which moon and the relation to the Nile flooding after
which adjustment for constellation position was the first "Sabbath"
celebrated after Moses came down from the mountain?
So far as is known, there is only one moon orbiting planet earth.
Can't identify day one huh?
What happened to the "day" count on the day the earth stood still?
Someone uttered "Klatu, Barada, Nikto." (Pardon any spelling errors,
it's been a while.)
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There is
an explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
Hmm. "Physical," eh? Well now, *that* should make for an interesting
explanation. By all means: Tell.
The above means that you don't believe the sun stood still.
To the observer, it did. There are probably many other things that you
deny.
What happened the day the earth tipped from 23 degrees left to 23
degrees right? It happened at least once.
How long was a day before the sun and moon were placed in the heavens?
Never thought of it? What transpired?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Sep 2005 11:30:00 AM |
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V.O. <here@there> wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
V.O. wrote:
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There is
an explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
Hmm. "Physical," eh? Well now, *that* should make for an interesting
explanation. By all means: Tell.
The above means that you don't believe the sun stood still.
Since it is physically impossible that would be rational.
To the observer, it did.
How do you know?
There are probably many other things that you
deny.
Look in the mirror.
What happened the day the earth tipped from 23 degrees left to 23
degrees right? It happened at least once.
No, it didn't, since your claim makes no sense at all. The Earth is a
spinning sphere. There is no "left" or "right".
You're one of those zealots who starts babbling nonsense when
confronted with reality.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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13 Sep 2005 07:45:44 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
V.O. wrote:
What happened the day the earth tipped from 23 degrees left to 23
degrees right? It happened at least once.
No, it didn't, since your claim makes no sense at all. The Earth is a
spinning sphere. There is no "left" or "right".
Perhaps V.O. managed to get turned upsidedown once...
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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13 Sep 2005 07:41:56 PM |
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V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Hmm... Given your track record, you'll naturally pardon my asking you
to cite which verse you had in mind.
The first doesn't exist hence ------
Ah, weaseling, eh? Let's see... Exodus 16:22-23 & 29, 8:10, 31:15, 35:2;
Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:13-14. Those should do as citations of the
day's existence. And it always falls at the end of the week, how odd.
Can you state which moon and the relation to the Nile flooding after
which adjustment for constellation position was the first "Sabbath"
celebrated after Moses came down from the mountain?
So far as is known, there is only one moon orbiting planet earth.
Can't identify day one huh?
You wanted to know which moon. I answered. Deal.
(What the Nile and the constellations have to do with things is
anybody's guess. Days are defined by neither.)
As for which day... Well, if you must know, it was on the seventh day of
that week. (Unless you refer to one of the Holy Days, which are also
referred to as being "sabbaths" -- or "days of rest." They are
considered their own entities, and do not impinge upon the sabbath in
question.)
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There
is an explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
Hmm. "Physical," eh? Well now, *that* should make for an interesting
explanation. By all means: Tell.
The above means that you don't believe the sun stood still.
Ah, you claim a physical cause, and then weasel on it. Surprise, surprise.
By the by, your cosmological knowledge is a bit weak. If the sun were to
appear to stand still, it would be the earth that stopped. The sun is
ever in motion. It travels from other galaxies, as it resides within
this one. It travels with this galaxy as said galaxy spins. It moves
through the spiral arm in which it resides in accordance with the
gravitational forces thereof. It wobbles in its course as it is affected
by the planets. It spins on its own axis. And even if it were not to do
all that -- simultaneously no less -- it would still be in motion via
prominences, sun spots, and the ever-changing expansion and contraction
of its various layers. If the sun were to stop, things would get rather
dark. (Well, after 8 minutes or so.)
To the observer, it did.
I've observed that time seems to move slower during meetings. It also
seems to move faster while I ride the roller coasters at Cedar Point.
(And technically -- at least on the roller coasters -- it does if you
count out far enough to the right of the decimal point.) To "observe"
that the sun stands still, typically involves a blow to the head, not a
"miraculous" intervention by a deity concerned that His followers might
end up poking one another if night were to fall. (Not that such a being
should be overly concerned about such things; He could just make them
more effective fighters, or simply smite the enemy.)
And where's the "observer"? Why, on a battlefield! But no, he'd never
get his clock cleaned by the enemy. Oh, my no! That would reduce the
"miracle" to a mere terrestrial thing.
There are probably many other things that you deny.
Unicorns, leprechauns, Santa, Nessie, cold fusion, zero-point energy...
Hmm, it seems that even you can be right once in a while. Fascinating.
What happened the day the earth tipped from 23 degrees left to 23
degrees right? It happened at least once.
If an asteroid explodes over Tunguska and no one sees it, do the falling
trees still kill a squirrel?
(Do you really expect one to take you seriously if you ask questions
which answer themselves?)
How long was a day before the sun and moon were placed in the heavens?
Which is the sound of one hand clapping? <Plays "Sound Clip A" and
"Sound Clip B.">
What transpired?
No, Who transpired. What was a little less active. (If I remember my
Abbot and Costello correctly.)
Say, are we getting to the part where the word "blasphemer" is used? I'd
like to make some popcorn, but would prefer it to be warm and buttery as
you explain how we're not supposed to use our brains.
(Or is that a sin?)
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People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "V.O. here@there" |
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13 Sep 2005 08:23:48 PM |
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Dionisio wrote:
V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Hmm... Given your track record, you'll naturally pardon my asking you
to cite which verse you had in mind.
The first doesn't exist hence ------
Ah, weaseling, eh? Let's see... Exodus 16:22-23 & 29, 8:10, 31:15, 35:2;
Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:13-14. Those should do as citations of the
day's existence. And it always falls at the end of the week, how odd.
No definition of the first or last day.
No weaseling just intelligence without jibber jabber repeated from
preisties.
Can you state which moon and the relation to the Nile flooding after
which adjustment for constellation position was the first "Sabbath"
celebrated after Moses came down from the mountain?
So far as is known, there is only one moon orbiting planet earth.
Can't identify day one huh?
You wanted to know which moon. I answered. Deal.
DUHH. there are 12 plus moons per year, one every 28 plus days. That's
biblical.
(What the Nile and the constellations have to do with things is
anybody's guess. Days are defined by neither.)
So you REALLY have no clue, do you.
The flooding of the Nile and the first moon were EVERYTHING in the
Hebrew calendar of Moses.
As for which day... Well, if you must know, it was on the seventh day of
that week. (Unless you refer to one of the Holy Days, which are also
referred to as being "sabbaths" -- or "days of rest." They are
considered their own entities, and do not impinge upon the sabbath in
question.)
What physical thing happened that made the sun stand still? There
is an explanation geographically or "astronomically" recorded.
Hmm. "Physical," eh? Well now, *that* should make for an interesting
explanation. By all means: Tell.
The above means that you don't believe the sun stood still.
Ah, you claim a physical cause, and then weasel on it. Surprise, surprise.
By the by, your cosmological knowledge is a bit weak. If the sun were to
appear to stand still, it would be the earth that stopped.
The bible said that the sun stood still. To the OBSERVER, it did. Can
you prove that the sun is not moving in relation to the earth. Maybe
the earth is the center and our measuring system is wrong.
The sun is
ever in motion. It travels from other galaxies, as it resides within
this one. It travels with this galaxy as said galaxy spins. It moves
through the spiral arm in which it resides in accordance with the
gravitational forces thereof. It wobbles in its course as it is affected
by the planets. It spins on its own axis. And even if it were not to do
all that -- simultaneously no less -- it would still be in motion via
prominences, sun spots, and the ever-changing expansion and contraction
of its various layers. If the sun were to stop, things would get rather
dark. (Well, after 8 minutes or so.)
You have no idea what you are talking about and blabber about
non-contextual occurances to try to give others that you may have gone
through elementary school.
To the observer, it did.
I've observed that time seems to move slower during meetings. It also
seems to move faster while I ride the roller coasters at Cedar Point.
(And technically -- at least on the roller coasters -- it does if you
count out far enough to the right of the decimal point.) To "observe"
that the sun stands still, typically involves a blow to the head, not a
"miraculous" intervention by a deity concerned that His followers might
end up poking one another if night were to fall. (Not that such a being
should be overly concerned about such things; He could just make them
more effective fighters, or simply smite the enemy.)
And where's the "observer"? Why, on a battlefield! But no, he'd never
get his clock cleaned by the enemy. Oh, my no! That would reduce the
"miracle" to a mere terrestrial thing.
There are probably many other things that you deny.
Unicorns, leprechauns, Santa, Nessie, cold fusion, zero-point energy...
Hmm, it seems that even you can be right once in a while. Fascinating.
What happened the day the earth tipped from 23 degrees left to 23
degrees right? It happened at least once.
If an asteroid explodes over Tunguska and no one sees it, do the falling
trees still kill a squirrel?
(Do you really expect one to take you seriously if you ask questions
which answer themselves?)
How long was a day before the sun and moon were placed in the heavens?
Which is the sound of one hand clapping? <Plays "Sound Clip A" and
"Sound Clip B.">
What transpired?
No, Who transpired. What was a little less active. (If I remember my
Abbot and Costello correctly.)
Say, are we getting to the part where the word "blasphemer" is used? I'd
like to make some popcorn, but would prefer it to be warm and buttery as
you explain how we're not supposed to use our brains.
(Or is that a sin?)
So, you don't know the bible or science and continue to blabber.
There are four general choices.
1. Believe the bible without question.
2. Know science
3. Know the bible
4. Be completely unaware of 1,2,3.
I guess you chose number 4. Fine.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
14 Sep 2005 06:10:57 AM |
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V.O. wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Ah, weaseling, eh? Let's see... Exodus 16:22-23 & 29, 8:10, 31:15,
35:2; Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:13-14. Those should do as
citations of the day's existence. And it always falls at the end of
the week, how odd.
No definition of the first or last day.
Ah, perhaps the weeks were eight or 12 days long back then...
You wanted to know which moon. I answered. Deal.
DUHH. there are 12 plus moons per year, one every 28 plus days. That's
biblical.
Those are called "months," in case you didn't know.
(What the Nile and the constellations have to do with things is
anybody's guess. Days are defined by neither.)
So you REALLY have no clue, do you.
The flooding of the Nile and the first moon were EVERYTHING in the
Hebrew calendar of Moses.
And they define one day? Fascinating.
By the by, your cosmological knowledge is a bit weak. If the sun were
to appear to stand still, it would be the earth that stopped.
The bible said that the sun stood still. To the OBSERVER, it did.
Can you prove that the sun is not moving in relation to the earth.
Maybe the earth is the center and our measuring system is wrong.
Perhaps the earth is flat and all those orbiting satellites are just
manifestations of Satan's power...
So, you don't know the bible or science and continue to blabber.
There are four general choices.
1. Believe the bible without question.
2. Know science
3. Know the bible
4. Be completely unaware of 1,2,3.
I guess you chose number 4. Fine.
You forgot 5: Toy with those who claim #1 or #3. (#2 is impossible;
Science changes daily and covers far too much territory for any one
person to claim they know more than a portion of it. (Oh, and I'll
assume you weren't using the Biblical "to know," as that would be kinky.))
--
People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "VO here@there" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 10:28:05 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
DUUHHHH
It's nice when one uses a correct translation for a word not "converted"
to English.
DUUHHHH
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 12:15:47 PM |
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VO <here@there> wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
"Sunday", halfwit. Look in a dictionary.
DUUHHHH
Don't drool.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "VO here@there" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 01:26:26 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
"Sunday", halfwit. Look in a dictionary.
DUUHHHH
Don't drool.
So a secular and common present usage replaces the bible. O.K.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 02:30:13 PM |
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VO <here@there> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
"Sunday", halfwit. Look in a dictionary.
DUUHHHH
Don't drool.
So a secular and common present usage replaces the bible. O.K.
You really are an idiot. You screech about gays "because the Bible
says so" but completely ignore all the rules in the Bible that might
affect you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "VO here@there" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 06:34:02 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
"Sunday", halfwit. Look in a dictionary.
DUUHHHH
Don't drool.
So a secular and common present usage replaces the bible. O.K.
You really are an idiot. You screech about gays "because the Bible
says so" but completely ignore all the rules in the Bible that might
affect you.
I have never said the bible even mentions gays.
When did I say a word "against" gays. I usually criticize those who
separate them out. I also criticize the "gays" who separate themselves
as something special.
You are ignorant of what you repeat , ignorant of the bible, ignorant of
Greek contextual language.
Get an education.
Oh, and don't judge what others may believe because you are deeply
ashamed of what you are.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
10 Sep 2005 09:51:03 PM |
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VO <here@there> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
VO <here@there> wrote:
Sabbath is "rest"
work six days "rest", (Holy rest) seventh.
Show where Sabbath means Saturday.
"Sunday", halfwit. Look in a dictionary.
DUUHHHH
Don't drool.
So a secular and common present usage replaces the bible. O.K.
You really are an idiot. You screech about gays "because the Bible
says so" but completely ignore all the rules in the Bible that might
affect you.
I have never said the bible even mentions gays.
When did I say a word "against" gays. I usually criticize those who
separate them out. I also criticize the "gays" who separate themselves
as something special.
You are ignorant of what you repeat , ignorant of the bible, ignorant of
Greek contextual language.
Cafeteria Christian.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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