Religions > Atheism > Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
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06 Sep 2005 05:47:06 PM |
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Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
The original intent of the Founding Fathers was upheld this week by an
appeals court in Minnesota, reports the Pioneer Press of St. Paul. The
ruling blocked a "gay" teacher's attempt to sue the Christian
school that discharged him because of his homosexuality.
"This was clear-cut," said Robert Knight, director of Concerned
Women for America's (CWA's) Culture & Family Institute: "If a
church school can't tell a teacher not to flout Biblical morality,
the school might as well go out of business, which is what the ACLU and
other God-haters are really trying to accomplish. The court rejected
the activist role that other courts have taken, and wisely upheld the
First Amendment rights of the Lutherans to determine their own
standards."
The teacher, referred to as John FR Doe in the court's ruling, was
ordained as a minister by Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod in 1973.
According to court documents, he served as campus pastor to the
Lutheran High School of Greater Minnesota in Bloomington from 1976 to
1979. He returned to that position in 1993. His duties included
conducting school chapel services and counseling students. When his
homosexuality became known to the bishop of Doe's synod, Doe was
asked to resign. He then sued the high school and the Lutheran
Church-Missouri Synod for discrimination.
The Lutheran High School of Greater Minnesota is affiliated with the
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. Lutheran schools make up the largest
Protestant parochial school system in the United States.
The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod has taken an unequivocal stance
against homosexuality. According to court documents, the synod in 1973
called homosexual behavior "intrinsically sinful." In 1999 it
published a document titled "A plan for Ministry to Homosexuals and
Their Families," which describes homosexuality as "the tragic
result of original sin."
The Minnesota State Court of Appeals on Tuesday upheld a district
court's decision that hearing Doe's suit would violate the
separation of church and state.
"We all talk about the separation of church and state. This is what
it's all about," said the school's attorney William Hart to the
Pioneer Press. "People don't have the right to challenge church
doctrine in court. Otherwise, the state would define what religions
could and could not believe."
The Supreme Court's 1971 decision Lemon v. Kurtzman set the standard
for determining if a state action violates the First Amendment.
According to the so-called Lemon test, the government's action must
have a secular purpose, must not advance or inhibit religion and must
not excessively entangle government with religion. If the action meets
these three criteria, it is constitutional.
In accordance with this precedent, the Minnesota Court of Appeals ruled
that it may not decide whether or not Doe's discharge was
discriminatory. His lawsuit would force the court to conduct a
"searching inquiry" into a church's doctrine and administration.
This would violate the Lemon test's third criteria of avoiding
"excessive entanglement."
Doe also argued the high school's actions violated the Minnesota
Human Rights Act, which prohibits discharge based on "sexual
orientation." Religious associations, however, are exempt from this
prohibition. The court rejected Doe's argument that the high school
and the synod do not qualify for the exemption.
In making this determination, the court relied on a 2004 case involving
a mailroom employee discharged from the Billy Graham Evangelistic
Association. That decision established that the Minnesota Human Rights
Act exemption also applied to nonprofit religious organizations engaged
in a religious business activity.
It is not yet known if Doe will appeal the decision.
Reflecting on the court's decision, David Strand, Director of Public
Affairs for the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, said, "Of course
we're sad that someone lost their job, but we're very relieved the
court upheld our First Amendment rights."
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06 Sep 2005 07:26:39 PM |
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"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
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07 Sep 2005 09:56:13 AM |
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Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
I thought it was the homosexuals who tried so hard to separate church
and state!
In Christ Jesus,
Christian
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Sep 2005 10:09:45 AM |
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From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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07 Sep 2005 08:10:22 PM |
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Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Christian
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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07 Sep 2005 08:56:12 PM |
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<> wrote in message
news:jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com...
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a
teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Gotta love rationalization from literalists,
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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10 Sep 2005 10:25:22 PM |
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wrote:
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
Yeah, that whole "looking = adultery" thing sort of made such a rule
superfluous.
--
People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Sep 2005 08:27:06 PM |
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In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:08:04 AM |
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Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
Hi Cary,
IF a person really is a Christian, then he/she would not likely
divorce his/her spouse. Not a solid rule, but a reasonable
generality.
IF a person cheats on their spouse, that person is likely not a
Christian.
Christian ( happily married and faithful to my spouse for almost 39
years now)
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 Sep 2005 10:14:23 AM |
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In article <9bh0i1d0ld4lgueb49pdqur9d9spiuf26c@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
Hi Cary,
IF a person really is a Christian, then he/she would not likely
divorce his/her spouse. Not a solid rule, but a reasonable
generality.
IF a person cheats on their spouse, that person is likely not a
Christian.
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
Christian ( happily married and faithful to my spouse for almost 39
years now)
That is most admirable. It's always nice to see.
I find that I (an atheist) have not even the inclination
to cheat on my beloved. (on the other hand I do look --
or as a girlfried expressed it 'you don't look; you LOOK" --
so going by Jesus I'm likely a serial repeat adulterer. Daily)
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:50:59 PM |
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Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <9bh0i1d0ld4lgueb49pdqur9d9spiuf26c@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
Hi Cary,
IF a person really is a Christian, then he/she would not likely
divorce his/her spouse. Not a solid rule, but a reasonable
generality.
IF a person cheats on their spouse, that person is likely not a
Christian.
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
Christian ( happily married and faithful to my spouse for almost 39
years now)
That is most admirable. It's always nice to see.
I find that I (an atheist) have not even the inclination
to cheat on my beloved. (on the other hand I do look --
or as a girlfried expressed it 'you don't look; you LOOK" --
so going by Jesus I'm likely a serial repeat adulterer. Daily)
I don't even look. Why bother? I have the best there is, right here
at home!
When you have steak, why examine the hamburgers?
Christian
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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08 Sep 2005 10:23:27 PM |
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<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Chris" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:36:50 PM |
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In article <dfqv7e$a8q$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current? Like
this Century!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Sep 2005 01:29:43 AM |
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Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <dfqv7e$a8q$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Chris" |
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10 Sep 2005 09:39:02 PM |
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In article <dftugm$15r$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <dfqv7e$a8q$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information? You
posted ancient info. Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago. She was right and you are
wrong. You're the bigot. You are bigotted against Southerners and
using old info to support your bigotry. You Prejudice BIGOT.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Sep 2005 12:51:58 AM |
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Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Chris" |
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11 Sep 2005 12:34:20 PM |
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In article <dg0glt$jet$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
You're an idiot!!!!!!!!!! You can kiss my *****. You use old info to
try and prove something right that is wrong. You are a lieing sack of
*****!!!!
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11 Sep 2005 01:20:35 PM |
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Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <dg0glt$jet$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
You're an idiot!!!!!!!!!! You can kiss my *****. You use old info to
try and prove something right that is wrong.
It's not old info.
Keep running away, sucker.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Chris" |
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11 Sep 2005 01:27:29 PM |
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In article <dg1shj$r66$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <dg0glt$jet$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
You'e the suck er. Suck er of peck ers!
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| User: "Fritz" |
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12 Sep 2005 09:25:11 AM |
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Chris wrote:
In article <dg0glt$jet$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
You're an idiot!!!!!!!!!! You can kiss my *****. You use old info to
try and prove something right that is wrong. You are a lieing sack of
*****!!!!
Like christians with their bibles.
-- Fritz ...
"Save a horse, ride a cowboy."
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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12 Sep 2005 01:10:30 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:25:11 -0400, Fritz <people@rest.net> wrote:
Chris wrote:
In article <dg0glt$jet$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information?
Both come from the dark ages.
You
posted ancient info.
7 years isn't "ancient".
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago.
ROFL! I bet you don't even know the difference between number of
divorces and divorce rate. You just mindlessly assume that your
prejudices must be true.
Sucker!
You're an idiot!!!!!!!!!! You can kiss my *****. You use old info to
try and prove something right that is wrong. You are a lieing sack of
*****!!!!
Like christians with their bibles.
-- Fritz ...
"Save a horse, ride a cowboy."
The psuedo-christians, anyway.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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12 Sep 2005 12:38:26 PM |
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Chris <me@me.me>
In article <dftugm$15r$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Chris <me@me.me> wrote:
In article <dfqv7e$a8q$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
<christia@quik.com> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell),
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
According to what I have read, California and New York almost tie for
that "honor."
You don't read very well, then. For 1998 the top five states for
divorce were Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming.
The botton five were Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and New York. California was 30th.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS2.shtml
Thats 7 years old. How about something a little more current?
Go right ahead but I doubt that you'll find much has changed.
Right-wing bigotry is and always has been based upon prejudice,
bigotry, and lies. That was the case in 1998 and it's the case
today.
What has right wing bigotry got to do with outdated information? You
posted ancient info.
"ancient"? Seven years is "ancient"? Seven years is nearly current
as large demographical studies go. They only hold the census once
every ten years for a reason -- it can take many more years to
process the data.
So: do you think there have been massive changes in the marriage
and divorce practices within this country in so short a span
of time? If so, what has changed, and why do you think this?
Another lady posted info that I know is correct
because I heard it on TV a few days ago. She was right and you are
wrong. You're the bigot. You are bigotted against Southerners and
using old info to support your bigotry. You Prejudice BIGOT.
Hey, I'm the one who brought up the divorce-rate imbalence -- and
I grew up in Tennessee, went to college in North Carolina.
-- cary
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| User: "VO here@there" |
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08 Sep 2005 12:27:25 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <9bh0i1d0ld4lgueb49pdqur9d9spiuf26c@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
Hi Cary,
IF a person really is a Christian, then he/she would not likely
divorce his/her spouse. Not a solid rule, but a reasonable
generality.
IF a person cheats on their spouse, that person is likely not a
Christian.
Well, I must point out that divorce rates in the Bible Belt (whence
I came) are famously the highest in the nation.
Sad, but 100% true.
Now, the question might be, "What constitutes a "Christian""
Christian ( happily married and faithful to my spouse for almost 39
years now)
That is most admirable. It's always nice to see.
I find that I (an atheist) have not even the inclination
to cheat on my beloved. (on the other hand I do look --
or as a girlfried expressed it 'you don't look; you LOOK" --
so going by Jesus I'm likely a serial repeat adulterer. Daily)
-- cary
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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08 Sep 2005 06:49:27 PM |
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Now, the question might be, "What constitutes a 'Christian'?"
Yes, but then you get into the No True Scotsman scenario.
"Christians don't commit murder."
"This man killed his family in the name of Christ!"
"He wasn't a true Christian(tm)."
So what makes a true Christian? Let's just go with the definition Paul
gave: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved."
I think the Southerners have that covered pretty well. So they're
Christians that are either adulterers or wrongful divorcees, according
to their creed.
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| User: "VO here@there" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:26:29 PM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
Now, the question might be, "What constitutes a 'Christian'?"
Yes, but then you get into the No True Scotsman scenario.
"Christians don't commit murder."
"This man killed his family in the name of Christ!"
"He wasn't a true Christian(tm)."
So what makes a true Christian? Let's just go with the definition Paul
gave: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved."
I think the Southerners have that covered pretty well. So they're
Christians that are either adulterers or wrongful divorcees, according
to their creed.
All sin
None are righteous.
Blatantly continuing in a sin is evidence that one is not a Christian.
Real Christians would have a lower incidence of divorce.
There is ALWAYS the case of the mismatch, one is, one isn't.
Going to church a few times a year is no indicator whatever.
God chooses.
"Believe in thine heart" is an absolute statement and has nothing to do
with originating words.
Many who have said Lord Lord and performed miracles in His name will
never see heaven, at least that is what Jesus said.
It takes a whole bible.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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08 Sep 2005 08:34:39 PM |
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All sin
I don't!
None are righteous.
Agreed.
Blatantly continuing in a sin is evidence that one is not a Christian.
Not necessarily. When I was a Christian I still 'sinned'. And everybody
I knew still sinned. We all struggled with our own vices. In fact, I
never met anybody as a Christian that claimed to be free of sin. It's
only since I stopped being one that every single one of them is
miraculously free of sin, and thus able to judge me.
Real Christians would have a lower incidence of divorce.
No true Scotsman fallacy.
There is ALWAYS the case of the mismatch, one is, one isn't.
Always? Well there's the problem. Isn't it written "Do not be unequally
yoked"? So that's another of your god's commands that they're breaking.
These Christians really are bad at this following orders thing.
Going to church a few times a year is no indicator whatever.
Neither is going to church weekly. Neither is giving 10% or 20% of your
income. Neither is reading your Bible every night. Neither is building
homes in a church mission trip. Neither is voting for the candidate
that claims the backing of god. So what makes someone a Christian?
God chooses.
And why should a thinking individual put their fate in the hands of
someone known for commiting genocide and punishing its devoted
followers?
It's hardly moral to support such a being. Even less so because you're
scared of its punishment. In fact, if you find the evidence for the
existence of this being so compelling that it cannot be ignored, the
only moral thing to do would be to hold it to account for the crimes it
has committed.
"Believe in thine heart" is an absolute statement and has nothing to do
with originating words.
So what does "Believe in thine heart" mean, really?
Many who have said Lord Lord and performed miracles in His name will
never see heaven, at least that is what Jesus said.
You know, I predict that he was right: none will see heaven.
It takes a whole bible.
For what?
And are you including the parts that show God as cruel and petty? And
the commands on sacrificing goats and sheep?
How about the assertion that God, apparently feeling bad for what a
jackass he'd been in the Old Testament, sets up an elaborate scheme to
save his creations from his anger in which he fucks his own mother so
she can have himself, and commits suicide by cop, all while leaving no
trail for any except his inexplicably divided followers? And that he
expects everybody to believe (on penalty of Hell) in this apparently
purposefully outlandish tail, even though a great multitude had never
heard it and many more value their capacities of reason highly enough
to want the evidence which God was so careful to hide? I mean, you want
to include it all, right?
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:03:42 PM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Chris Johnson:
Now, the question might be, "What constitutes a 'Christian'?"
Yes, but then you get into the No True Scotsman scenario.
"Christians don't commit murder."
"This man killed his family in the name of Christ!"
"He wasn't a true Christian(tm)."
So what makes a true Christian? Let's just go with the definition Paul
gave: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved."
I think the Southerners have that covered pretty well. So they're
Christians that are either adulterers or wrongful divorcees, according
to their creed.
Would someone kindly explain this to Curtis M. Bass? TIA!
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "Zeligg" |
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08 Sep 2005 01:42:40 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:08:04 -0600, wrote:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
In article <jq3vh1tr8oeh9p6apalje3kur28idgvf7v@4ax.com> writes:
Hello (Cary Kittrell),
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
From:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think that the rcc priests are
"christian priests!" And your percentage is wrong, even though you
made it up on the spot. The real percentage is 1.18725% of course.
The Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Why would the government intrude on a religion's right to remove a
"teacher" from its midst that does not believe what it does?
If these self-same Christian schools were as quick to fire
any divorced teacher the instant he re-married, your
rationale would be far more convincing.
The Bible does not give a blanket "no - remarriage" rule to folks who
are divorced.
And you may divorce your spouse under certain conditions, Biblically.
Quite true -- if the partner had been unfaithful, then divorce followed
by remarriage is allowed.
Are you suggesting that most divorced Christians have been cuckolded?
Cheated on by their -- presumably -- Christian spouses?
Hi Cary,
IF a person really is a Christian, then he/she would not likely
divorce his/her spouse. Not a solid rule, but a reasonable
generality.
IF a person cheats on their spouse, that person is likely not a
Christian.
Christian ( happily married and faithful to my spouse for almost 39
years now)
Congrats; if only more christians followed your example (and their
faith), then none of us would be arguing.
Zeligg
"Prayer has no place in the public schools,
just like facts have no place in organized religion."
- Superintendent Chalmers, The Simpsons
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| User: "Jenn" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
08 Sep 2005 12:47:49 AM |
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In article <omvth1tm4ekvsinbr2vnru9s6lfd4gkah3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
Hello "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126046826.506783.243690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think .... <snip>
Yet again, the God of Irony has stuck.
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
08 Sep 2005 06:21:14 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Jenn:
christia@quik.com wrote:
Hello "ManMadeGod", you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" wrote...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a
teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think .... <snip>
Yet again, the God of Irony has stuck.
Nonono, Irony's dead. Been killed so many times in the past seven years,
it's pathetic.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher |
08 Sep 2005 06:33:20 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:21:14 GMT, The Secretary of HomIntern
<ýk®åñsëpôp@wòém.g®ó> wrote:
I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Jenn:
christia@quik.com wrote:
Hello "ManMadeGod", you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"RoB WAde" wrote...
Court Upholds Christian School's Right to Fire 'Gay' Teacher
By Emma Elliott
Teacher had sued, claiming 'sexual orientation' discrimination.
That's halarious! 95% of christian priests are gay and they fire a
teacher!
Whoooa, what a funny cult.
What's even funnier is the dodo's who think .... <snip>
Yet again, the God of Irony has stuck.
Nonono, Irony's dead. Been killed so many times in the past seven years,
it's pathetic.
<smirk>
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