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"J Young" |
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28 Nov 2007 11:15:46 PM |
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Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Pete Chagnon
OneNewsNow.com
November 28, 2007
A recent documentary aired on public television, claiming that evolution is
science and there is no place for creationism, has one prominent scientist
saying the opposite is true.
The NOVA documentary "Judgment Day" followed a Dover, Pennsylvania, court
battle over the teaching of evolution versus intelligent design in area
schools. The judge in the case ultimately ruled in favor of evolution, and
in a statement he called intelligent design "the progeny of creationism" and
further stated that intelligent design is not science. NOVA's senior
executive producer agrees with the statement and states on pbs.org that she
decided to produce the documentary because "evolution is the foundation of
biological sciences."
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
"We'll be most adamant to say that observational science -- whether it's in
biology or geology, or anthropology, or astronomy or whatever it is --
actually confirms the Bible's history. [It] does not confirm evolutionary
history," states the Christian apologist.
"And so a creationist doesn't have a blind faith; we have a faith that makes
sense of the facts and observational science supports it. But an
evolutionist who's a Darwinian evolutionist actually has a blind faith
because they don't have observational science that actually confirms their
interpretation of the evidence."
Ham also claims that the fossil record overwhelmingly supports creation.
"Again it comes down to two different interpretations of the same [fossil]
record," he explains. "So what we've got to do is look at observational
science, observations in the present to see which particular view of the
past is confirmed by that. And we would say overwhelmingly the biblical view
of a young earth, global flood and so on, is confirmed by the present
evidence."
Ham is also the president of the Kentucky-based Creation Museum, which gives
visitors a first-hand look at the science that supports the biblical account
of creation.
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J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
29 Nov 2007 08:17:54 AM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> writes:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Hah. Quoting Ken Ham on "science" is like quoting Mother
Theresa on "compassion."
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
29 Nov 2007 09:24:07 AM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:87sl2pcezx.fsf@speakeasy.net...
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> writes:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Hah. Quoting Ken Ham on "science" is like quoting Mother
Theresa on "compassion."
Or "J Young" on "decency"...
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
29 Nov 2007 04:43:35 PM |
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On Nov 29, 8:24 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote in messagenews:87sl2pcezx.fsf@speakeasy.net...
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Hah. Quoting Ken Ham on "science" is like quoting Mother
Theresa on "compassion."
Or "J Young" on "decency"...
Or "V" on "spiritual values"...
Brenda
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| User: "LC" |
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29 Nov 2007 05:55:14 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:50279fc6-820a-4da5-a3a6-9e4a8a5e6410@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 8:24 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
messagenews:87sl2pcezx.fsf@speakeasy.net...
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when
it comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Hah. Quoting Ken Ham on "science" is like quoting Mother
Theresa on "compassion."
Or "J Young" on "decency"...
Or "V" on "spiritual values"...
Ah yes...I had forgotten about that long-winded interloper.
For that nut, "brevity" comes to mind as the counter analogy.
;^)
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
29 Nov 2007 10:38:38 PM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in
news:1ei7mb.d6h.17.1@news.alt.net:
<snip bunchacrap>
Y'know, "J-Y" is one letter off from "K-Y"...I'm guessing you're the
formula they rejected.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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29 Nov 2007 08:01:26 PM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in news:1ei7mb.d6h.17.1
@news.alt.net:
Subject: Creation scientist
There is no such thing.
debunks
Creationism _IS_ bunk--that's like saying a pile of ***** de-shits
something without ***** on it.
NOVA documentary on evolution
This is the only truth--there was such a documentary, and it showed
creationism for what it is: a bunch of lying, wishful-thinking control
freaks.
***** off, now.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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29 Nov 2007 01:25:47 PM |
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In article <1ei7mb.d6h.17.1@news.alt.net>, J Young
<jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Describing Ken Ham as a "prominent scientist" puts the rest of this
article in serious disrepute.
But you knew that.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Geoff" |
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29 Nov 2007 12:19:43 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when
it comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Damn. You got me all worked up about an actual creation scientist! Why was
there no mention of any scientist in the article?
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| User: "Bill Allen" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
29 Nov 2007 02:49:39 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
So, he's a charlatan and a liar?
It seems that even his former associates have figured that out:
"In June 2007 Creation Ministries International filed a lawsuit in
Queensland's Supreme Court against Ham and Answers in Genesis seeking
damages and accusing him of deceptive conduct in his dealings with the
Australian organisation. Members of the ministry were "concern[ed] over
Mr Ham's domination of the ministries, the amount of money being spent
on his fellow executives and a shift away from delivering the
creationist message to raising donations."[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ham
You really are a very bad liar, Young.
"Bad" as in willfull; "bad" as in incompetent.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution |
28 Nov 2007 11:28:44 PM |
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On 29 Nov., 06:15, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Now here's an authority on science...
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Oh, I see: one idiot has more credibility than years and years of
reseach, and thousands and thousands of serious scientists... Tell
us, J Young, what's the difference between muslim fanatics who pretend
one must read the Koran literally and christian fanatics who pretend
one must read the Bible literally? Another question: why do only
American christians seem to have problem with evolution? Are American
christians dumber than French, German, Spanish, Italian and Canadian
christians?
BTW, "creation scientist" is an oxymoron. Like "decent J Young".
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| User: "CE" |
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29 Nov 2007 01:28:31 PM |
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On Nov 29, 1:28 am, wrote:
On 29 Nov., 06:15, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Now here's an authority on science...
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Oh, I see: one idiot has more credibility than years and years of
reseach, and thousands and thousands of serious scientists... Tell
us, J Young, what's the difference between muslim fanatics who pretend
one must read the Koran literally and christian fanatics who pretend
one must read the Bible literally? Another question: why do only
American christians seem to have problem with evolution? Are American
christians dumber than French, German, Spanish, Italian and Canadian
christians?
BTW, "creation scientist" is an oxymoron. Like "decent J Young".
I don't know why anything about creationism would be on a Roman
Catholic newsgroup, except as a curiousity. For Catholics, the role of
evolution in creation is a non-issue since we don't take the six days
of creation as a literal account of what happened but as a story
describing God's relationship with human beings and the rest of
creation.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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29 Nov 2007 04:41:51 PM |
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On Nov 29, 12:28 pm, CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 1:28 am, wrote:
On 29 Nov., 06:15, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Now here's an authority on science...
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Oh, I see: one idiot has more credibility than years and years of
reseach, and thousands and thousands of serious scientists... Tell
us, J Young, what's the difference between muslim fanatics who pretend
one must read the Koran literally and christian fanatics who pretend
one must read the Bible literally? Another question: why do only
American christians seem to have problem with evolution? Are American
christians dumber than French, German, Spanish, Italian and Canadian
christians?
BTW, "creation scientist" is an oxymoron. Like "decent J Young".
I don't know why anything about creationism would be on a Roman
Catholic newsgroup, except as a curiousity. For Catholics, the role of
evolution in creation is a non-issue since we don't take the six days
of creation as a literal account of what happened but as a story
describing God's relationship with human beings and the rest of
creation.
Because they're trying to convert you. Creationists are usually
christian fundamentalists, and they don't consider roman catholics to
be "real" christians. So they post their biblical literalism to your
group in the hope of showing you the error of your ways.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "" |
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29 Nov 2007 01:42:14 PM |
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On Nov 29, 12:15 am, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Pete Chagnon
OneNewsNow.com
November 28, 2007
A recent documentary aired on public television, claiming that evolution is
science and there is no place for creationism, has one prominent scientist
saying the opposite is true.
Ken Ham is a prominent scientist? So how many peer reviewed papers of
his have been published respected journals? Some how I get the
feeling the number will be ZERO!
J. you're still nothing but a liar for Jesus.
[snip]
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| User: "" |
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29 Nov 2007 05:58:18 PM |
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On Nov 29, 12:15 am, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
I've never seen a Cretin "scientist" debunk anything other than the
notion they have anything interesting to say.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "raven1" |
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29 Nov 2007 01:43:41 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, "J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com>
wrote:
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
In what delusional world of yours is Ken Ham any kind of scientist,
much less a "prominent" one?
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "MarkA" |
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29 Nov 2007 01:22:30 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Pete Chagnon
OneNewsNow.com
November 28, 2007
A recent documentary aired on public television, claiming that evolution is
science and there is no place for creationism, has one prominent scientist
saying the opposite is true.
The NOVA documentary "Judgment Day" followed a Dover, Pennsylvania, court
battle over the teaching of evolution versus intelligent design in area
schools. The judge in the case ultimately ruled in favor of evolution, and
in a statement he called intelligent design "the progeny of creationism" and
further stated that intelligent design is not science. NOVA's senior
executive producer agrees with the statement and states on pbs.org that she
decided to produce the documentary because "evolution is the foundation of
biological sciences."
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
You're citing Ken Ham as a "scientist"? That's a stretch, even for you!
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Nov 2007 06:48:14 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
<SNORK>
Yeah. Riiiight.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“It is often argued that religion is valuable because
it makes men good, but even if this were true it would
not be a proof that religion is true. That would be
an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance.
Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same
way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the
fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is
full of such logical imbecilities.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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29 Nov 2007 09:16:39 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
<SNORK>
Yeah. Riiiight.
I scanned far enough to see that by "creation scientist" he means Ken
Ham. Yes, _that_ Ken Ham.
Um, right. *snort*
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Nov 2007 05:14:02 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:16:39 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
<SNORK>
Yeah. Riiiight.
I scanned far enough to see that by "creation scientist" he means Ken
Ham. Yes, _that_ Ken Ham.
Um, right. *snort*
Is that the one going to jail or am I thinking of another cretinist?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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29 Nov 2007 06:11:55 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:14:02 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:16:39 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
<SNORK>
Yeah. Riiiight.
I scanned far enough to see that by "creation scientist" he means Ken
Ham. Yes, _that_ Ken Ham.
Um, right. *snort*
Is that the one going to jail or am I thinking of another cretinist?
You're thinking of Kent Hovind and he's _in_ jail. But it's an easy
mistake to make, certainly.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Nov 2007 07:52:35 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:11:55 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:14:02 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:16:39 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, J Young wrote:
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
<SNORK>
Yeah. Riiiight.
I scanned far enough to see that by "creation scientist" he means Ken
Ham. Yes, _that_ Ken Ham.
Um, right. *snort*
Is that the one going to jail or am I thinking of another cretinist?
You're thinking of Kent Hovind and he's _in_ jail. But it's an easy
mistake to make, certainly.
After a while, they all just sort of blur into a haze of stupidity...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The alms-giver, in return for a trifling expenditure
on this earth, will be rewarded with an infinity of bliss
post-mortem. This purely selfish note is struck with
great clarity by Judaism, and only less clearly by
Christianity....religion has not really promoted charity,
but debased it.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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28 Nov 2007 11:59:33 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:15:46 -0500, in alt.atheism , "J Young"
<jyoungvisions@aol.com> in <1ei7mb.d6h.17.1@news.alt.net> wrote:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/11/creation_scientist_debunks_nov.php
Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution
Pete Chagnon
OneNewsNow.com
November 28, 2007
A recent documentary aired on public television, claiming that evolution is
science and there is no place for creationism, has one prominent scientist
saying the opposite is true.
The NOVA documentary "Judgment Day" followed a Dover, Pennsylvania, court
battle over the teaching of evolution versus intelligent design in area
schools. The judge in the case ultimately ruled in favor of evolution, and
in a statement he called intelligent design "the progeny of creationism" and
further stated that intelligent design is not science. NOVA's senior
executive producer agrees with the statement and states on pbs.org that she
decided to produce the documentary because "evolution is the foundation of
biological sciences."
Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis, says that when it
comes to science, there is more support for the biblical account of
creation.
Ham is not a scientist: he has never done an experiment, no less
submitted his results to other scientists for examination.
"We'll be most adamant to say that observational science -- whether it's in
biology or geology, or anthropology, or astronomy or whatever it is --
actually confirms the Bible's history. [It] does not confirm evolutionary
history," states the Christian apologist.
Christian apologists, not scientist.
"And so a creationist doesn't have a blind faith; we have a faith that makes
sense of the facts and observational science supports it. But an
evolutionist who's a Darwinian evolutionist actually has a blind faith
because they don't have observational science that actually confirms their
interpretation of the evidence."
So where was he with all this evidence during the trial?
Ham also claims that the fossil record overwhelmingly supports creation.
"Again it comes down to two different interpretations of the same [fossil]
record," he explains. "So what we've got to do is look at observational
science, observations in the present to see which particular view of the
past is confirmed by that. And we would say overwhelmingly the biblical view
of a young earth, global flood and so on, is confirmed by the present
evidence."
Ham is also the president of the Kentucky-based Creation Museum, which gives
visitors a first-hand look at the science that supports the biblical account
of creation.
He runs a religious ministry. Not quite a scientific task.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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