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"_//!! _//!!" |
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24 May 2007 06:04:09 PM |
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Creation vs Evolution |
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
24 May 2007 11:51:28 PM |
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"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
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| User: "_//!! _//!!" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 04:04:57 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
See the original Post below:
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 02:59:49 AM |
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On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
"Envious" of what? Your ignorance?
A "criminal offence", really? Wishing to keep people dumb with your
idiotic "creationism" is a moral offense.
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| User: "_//!! _//!!" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 04:10:30 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180079989.024548.316570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
"Envious" of what? Your ignorance?
A "criminal offence", really? Wishing to keep people dumb with your
idiotic "creationism" is a moral offense.
My *Creative Impartiality* to the subject, that's what!
By ~Spoiling~ that, you've showed your Partiality, i.e.
Intolerance & Ignorance which IS the Moral Offence.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 04:53:50 AM |
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On 25 mai, 11:10, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180079989.024548.316570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
"Envious" of what? Your ignorance?
A "criminal offence", really? Wishing to keep people dumb with your
idiotic "creationism" is a moral offense.
My *Creative Impartiality* to the subject, that's what!
By ~Spoiling~ that, you've showed your Partiality, i.e.
Intolerance & Ignorance which IS the Moral Offence
Saying that "evolution is about the past" is being "impartial"? Are
you on drugs?
Besides, saying that you're impartial to evolution/creation is like
saying that you're in favor and opposed to death penalty in the same
time.
And yes, I'm partial toward science. And toward reason.
I'll ask it again: I live in a very catholic country (Austria), I went
to catholic schools in my country (Canada) and was taught by nuns and
Jesuits. Not once was evolution ever debatted. Neither then nor now.
This "discussion" seems to be a strictly American phenomena. Why is it
so?
What's the problems with American and reality?
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| User: "_//!! _//!!" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 04:10:23 AM |
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"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
*Amen!*
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 06:59:04 AM |
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In <1180086830.879780.217910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, on 05/25/07
at 02:53 AM, Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> said:
On 25 mai, 11:10, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message >
news:1180079989.024548.316570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
snip
And yes, I'm partial toward science. And toward reason.
I'll ask it again: I live in a very catholic country (Austria), I went
to catholic schools in my country (Canada) and was taught by nuns and
Jesuits. Not once was evolution ever debatted. Neither then nor now.
This "discussion" seems to be a strictly American phenomena. Why is it
so?
What's the problems with American and reality?
None, the problem lies with the xian community being unable, or
unwilling to police their own. They want to let god sort it out, & in
the meantime, the nuts get catered to. That translates to a fear of
evolution, for it will prove that their fractured fairy taleŠ is not
the infallible word of their god dé jour .
IOW, they are running scared & they are perfectly willing to take the
world down with them.
walksalone who wishes it was not so, but that has no influence with
reality.
I distrust those people who know so well what
God wants them to do because I notice it always
coincides with their own desires.
[Susan B. Anthony]
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 11:40:33 AM |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 06:59:04 -0500, in alt.atheism ,
walksalone@the.ritz in <4656d097$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@news.datemas.de>
wrote:
[snip]
walksalone who wishes it was not so, but that has no influence with
reality.
On my good days I agree with that. On my bad days I think that there
is a god and he does pay attention to my wishes. Of course, pays
attention and fulfills are not quite the same thing.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 02:46:04 PM |
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On May 25, 4:59 am, wrote:
In <1180086830.879780.217...@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, on 05/25/07
at 02:53 AM, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> said:
On 25 mai, 11:10, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message >
news:1180079989.024548.316570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
snip
And yes, I'm partial toward science. And toward reason.
I'll ask it again: I live in a very catholic country (Austria), I went
to catholic schools in my country (Canada) and was taught by nuns and
Jesuits. Not once was evolution ever debatted. Neither then nor now.
This "discussion" seems to be a strictly American phenomena. Why is it
so?
What's the problems with American and reality?
None, the problem lies with the xian community being unable, or
unwilling to police their own. They want to let god sort it out, & in
the meantime, the nuts get catered to. That translates to a fear of
evolution, for it will prove that their fractured fairy tale=A9 is not
the infallible word of their god d=E9 jour .
The problem lies with the fundie "recipe" for salvation. In order for
the recipe to be dependable, everything in the bible must be literally
true. That's why arguing using science and data is useless with these
people. They reason it backwards: "I don't want to die, and the bible
has a recipe for salvation, therefore the bible *must* be true,
because I don't want to have to die and stay dead. Therefore,
anything that contracts the bible in even the smallest way *must* be
untrue, otherwise I can't depend on my recipe for salvation."
If I had a sawbuck for every time I sat in a fundie church and heard
that sermon when I was growing up, I could buy lunch for all the
alt.atheism regulars.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 03:09:18 PM |
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On May 25, 5:53 am, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25 mai, 11:10, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180079989.024548.316570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 25 mai, 11:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
messagenews:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
"Envious" of what? Your ignorance?
A "criminal offence", really? Wishing to keep people dumb with your
idiotic "creationism" is a moral offense.
My *Creative Impartiality* to the subject, that's what!
By ~Spoiling~ that, you've showed your Partiality, i.e.
Intolerance & Ignorance which IS the Moral Offence
Saying that "evolution is about the past" is being "impartial"? Are
you on drugs?
Besides, saying that you're impartial to evolution/creation is like
saying that you're in favor and opposed to death penalty in the same
time.
Interesting
And yes, I'm partial toward science. And toward reason.
I'll ask it again: I live in a very catholic country (Austria), I went
to catholic schools in my country (Canada) and was taught by nuns and
Jesuits. Not once was evolution ever debatted. Neither then nor now.
This "discussion" seems to be a strictly American phenomena. Why is it
so?
What's the problems with American and reality?
I had a similar experience growing up in a suburb of Philadelphia --
nuns, Christian Brothers, and Jesuits. No one ever questioned the
theory of Evolution, which was taught in our Biology class. Our high
school play in my Senior Year was "Inherit the Wind," a play about the
trial of a Tennessee High School teacher for illegally teaching
evolution, which is quite sympathetic to the idea of evolution, and of
free thought in general.
I thought all reasonable people believed in evolution until I
matriculated at a University and met a few Christian Bible thumpers,
Mormons and Orthodox Jews. The silliness and utter stupidity of
evangelial Christianity, even the flavor that is only mildly
fundamentalist, cannot be understated. It is a pathological mental
condition that allows for a compartmentalization of thought such that
the person can usually perform in his or her job but goes irrational
when religion is invoked.
To put it in simple terms, I was once stuck on the Long Island
Expressway behind a car which had bumper sticker that read "The Bible
Says It. I Believe it. That's All there is to It!" It succintly
expressed the close-mindedness and intellectual constriction of these
people.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
27 May 2007 06:07:21 PM |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:57 +0100, _//!! _//!! wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
Spoiled your post? That would be a neat trick. Let's see...
You make a post to your local new server. It, in turn, shares it out with
other news servers, and so on and so forth, until there are umpteen
thousand copies of it around the world. The other users connect to their
own news servers and receive local copies of the post.
In order to spoil your post, he would have had to get onto your local news
server after you posted, but before anyone else local saw it and before it
was sent to any other news server, edit it directly on that news server,
then allow it to continue its merry way.
Which means he works for your news server or ISP and has access to the
server, or he's hacked into it, or he didn't affect your post at all.
One wonders which it is.
--
The nuclear family has been decaying for decades. -- Matt Giwer
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 05:59:42 AM |
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_//!! _//!! wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
<Bollocks cut>
Oh dear, I messed up your post as well.
Why don't you sue me now you sad tosser?
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 05:58:12 AM |
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_//!! _//!! wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
You are Wentzki and I claim my reward
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 06:57:37 AM |
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On 25 mai, 12:58, Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
_//!! _//!! wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in message
news:46566b16$0$9965$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
Oh, look. An idiot thinks it has something to say.
Said the Envious IDIOT who had nothing creative to say
but Spoil *My Post*, which BTW is a Criminal Offence.
You are Wentzki and I claim my reward
You owe me a new keyboard...
Things to remember: never drink coffee and check "alt.atheism" in the
same time...
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
27 May 2007 12:22:29 AM |
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"_//!! _//!!" <*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
No.. creation happened once .. over a period of six days .. that was it
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
No .. evolution is a continuing process that is as much happening today as
it was in the past.
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
Exactly why creationism is a waste of time. Evolution is the theory that
helps explain where we are now, how we got here, and where we are going.
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| User: "kingdoodlesquat" |
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24 May 2007 07:18:06 PM |
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Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
Creationism about the future? Surely that would be futurism then since
"creation" is all about the past is it not? Essentially, what you've said is
that you can't learn from history, so it sort of negates your creation
argument straight away - congratulations in defeating your own poorly
thought out argument. On the other hand, evolution would suggest that by
studying the past, an insight can be gained into how things may change in
the future. So much for your exercise into futility.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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25 May 2007 12:15:33 PM |
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In article <46561b9e_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, _//!! _//!!
<*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
It's also the only reason you're here.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 12:36:23 AM |
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On 25 mai, 01:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
I asked it before, I'll ask it again:
one billion christians, yet only American christians have problems
with creation. Is it genetic or is it in the water?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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25 May 2007 01:18:30 AM |
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On May 25, 1:36 am, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25 mai, 01:04, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
I asked it before, I'll ask it again:
one billion christians, yet only American christians have problems
with creation. Is it genetic or is it in the water?
It's the systom.
They hate education.
PDW
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
25 May 2007 03:03:46 PM |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:04:09 +0100, "_//!! _//!!"
<*TheAngel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
Hasn't happened yet...
To Be...
You're predicting the future?
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Right, it has happened.
Not to Be...
You're predicting the future?
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
Well, why did you predict the future then?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
24 May 2007 06:46:39 PM |
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On May 24, 4:04 pm, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
It doesn't, because it's an Exercise into Futility
I'm just trying to figure out how Shakepeare's famous lines about
suicide have anything to do with evolution OR creationism, although I
could correlate the latter if pressed.
Oh yeah, and evolution is speculation in the same way that gravity is
speculation.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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| Title: Re: Creation vs Evolution |
26 May 2007 12:45:03 AM |
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[snips]
On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:46:39 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how Shakepeare's famous lines about
suicide have anything to do with evolution OR creationism, although I
could correlate the latter if pressed.
"To be a bee, or not a bee..." :)
Oh yeah, and evolution is speculation in the same way that gravity is
speculation.
Theory: if I take this large hammer and pound it on the head of a fundy,
it will hurt.
Fundy: No it won't - that's just a theory.
--
Cthulhu / Limbaugh 1996: Why settle for the LESSER evil?
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| User: "Richo" |
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24 May 2007 06:35:50 PM |
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On May 25, 9:04 am, "_//!! _//!!" <*TheAng...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Creationism is about the future,
Creationism is how our ignorant anscestors answered questions they
could not truthfully answer.
When people dont know the answer to something they should say "I dont
know" however what they actually do is "make something up - and sound
authourative when you do it."
Have you honestly never noticed this?
To Be...
vs
Evolution is about the past,
Evolution is about what living creatures like us are all about.
Nothing about living beings makes any sense without evolution.
Not to Be...
How does Speculating into the Past or Future
Thousands/Millions/Billions of years assist the
Now
That is The Question!
By understanding how living things - like ourselves and all plants and
animals and bacteria and viruses work - we can have modern medicine
and agriculture and make informed decisions about conserving our
environment etc etc.
Knowledge is power - power that is useful here and now.
Ignorance and superstition have negative effects in the here iand now.
Do not make yourself a champion of ignorance and superstition.
Learn if you can - and if you cannot then get out of the way of those
that are able.
Cheers, Mark.
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