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"Abu Ali" |
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20 Nov 2003 07:18:59 AM |
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Criminal admits attack illegal |
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
Oliver Burkeman and Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian
International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with astonishment
yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that
the invasion of Iraq had been illegal.
In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street lines,
Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing."
President George Bush has consistently argued that the war was legal either
because of existing UN security council resolutions on Iraq - also the
British government's publicly stated view - or as an act of self-defence
permitted by international law.
But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US
defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would
have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been
morally unacceptable.
French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism
consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".
Mr Perle, who was speaking at an event organised by the Institute of
Contemporary Arts in London, had argued loudly for the toppling of the Iraqi
dictator since the end of the 1991 Gulf war.
"They're just not interested in international law, are they?" said Linda
Hugl, a spokeswoman for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which launched
a high court challenge to the war's legality last year. "It's only when the
law suits them that they want to use it."
Mr Perle's remarks bear little resemblance to official justifications for
war, according to Rabinder Singh QC, who represented CND and also
participated in Tuesday's event.
Certainly the British government, he said, "has never advanced the
suggestion that it is entitled to act, or right to act, contrary to
international law in relation to Iraq".
The Pentagon adviser's views, he added, underlined "a divergence of view
between the British govern ment and some senior voices in American public
life [who] have expressed the view that, well, if it's the case that
international law doesn't permit unilateral pre-emptive action without the
authority of the UN, then the defect is in international law".
Mr Perle's view is not the official one put forward by the White House. Its
main argument has been that the invasion was justified under the UN charter,
which guarantees the right of each state to self-defence, including
pre-emptive self-defence. On the night bombing began, in March, Mr Bush
reiterated America's "sovereign authority to use force" to defeat the threat
from Baghdad.
The UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, has questioned that justification,
arguing that the security council would have to rule on whether the US and
its allies were under imminent threat.
Coalition officials countered that the security council had already approved
the use of force in resolution 1441, passed a year ago, warning of "serious
consequences" if Iraq failed to give a complete ac counting of its weapons
programmes.
Other council members disagreed, but American and British lawyers argued
that the threat of force had been implicit since the first Gulf war, which
was ended only by a ceasefire.
"I think Perle's statement has the virtue of honesty," said Michael Dorf, a
law professor at Columbia University who opposed the war, arguing that it
was illegal.
"And, interestingly, I suspect a majority of the American public would have
supported the invasion almost exactly to the same degree that they in fact
did, had the administration said that all along."
The controversy-prone Mr Perle resigned his chairmanship of the defence
policy board earlier this year but remained a member of the advisory board.
Meanwhile, there was a hint that the US was trying to find a way to release
the Britons held at Guantanamo Bay.
The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, said Mr Bush was "very sensitive"
to British sentiment. "We also expect to be resolving this in the near
future," he told the BBC.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal admits attack illegal |
20 Nov 2003 12:09:22 PM |
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"Abu Ali" <kingshirov@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpif06$1o1m4a$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
Oliver Burkeman and Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian
International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with astonishment
yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that
the invasion of Iraq had been illegal.
In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street
lines,
Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international
law
stood in the way of doing the right thing."
Aww man ! what a defense..
The law was wrong !
How many times has that been heard in a court of law !! lol!
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Ho hum
Jez
"Few of us can easily surrender our belief that
society must somehow make sense. The thought
that the State has lost its mind and is punishing so
many innocent people is intolerable. And so the
evidence has to be internally denied."
- Arthur Miller
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal admits attack illegal |
20 Nov 2003 05:00:45 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:09:22 -0000, "Jez"
<iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
"Abu Ali" <kingshirov@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpif06$1o1m4a$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
Oliver Burkeman and Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian
International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with astonishment
yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that
the invasion of Iraq had been illegal.
In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street
lines,
Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international
law
stood in the way of doing the right thing."
Aww man ! what a defense..
The law was wrong !
How many times has that been heard in a court of law !! lol!
The problem is that "the right thing" was purely subjective. However
the sociopaths that run the country imagine that their "right thing"
is absolute and objective.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal admits attack illegal |
21 Nov 2003 01:04:35 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:18:59 +0500, a stranger
called by some "Abu Ali" <kingshirov@yahoo.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
What does this have to do with atheism?
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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