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"Jom" |
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10 Nov 2005 12:14:02 PM |
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cross in public school |
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 12:48:50 PM |
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Jom <jom@usa.net> writes:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
It's perfectly ILLEGAL.
From what you've described, it's being displayed as a religious
symbol by school officials, which is completely unconstitutional.
Stone v. Graham
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0449_0039_ZS.html
Also see
Allegheny v. ACLU
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=492&invol=573
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 02:18:44 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
I'd have told him that you'll be reporting it to the ACLU and other
groups and he'll see just how illegal it is. He cannot have any
religious symbols on public display on school grounds, period.
Unfortunately, most public schools don't care, it isn't their money
and if they waste it on meaningless court cases, who cares?
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| User: "Joseki" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 05:03:46 PM |
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Brian Henderson wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
I'd have told him that you'll be reporting it to the ACLU and other
groups and he'll see just how illegal it is. He cannot have any
religious symbols on public display on school grounds, period.
It would probably fall outside the "three rerindeer" test. I am
referring to rulings by the Supreme Court that has allowed *some*
religious displays to happen on public property if there is a larger
secular context. The example i am referring to was a nativity scene,
but in addition there were secular Christmas displays (Santa and
reindeer, pagan decorated trees, etc.).
A single cross with no larger context would seem to be clearly not
allowed by the constitution.
If you want headlines and a very disrupted life call the ACLU or your
state's version.
If you would like to see the cross down call the school board and talk
to someone rational there. Unless you are in the deep south that will
probably fix the problem.
Unfortunately, most public schools don't care, it isn't their money
and if they waste it on meaningless court cases, who cares?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 03:52:58 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 08:51:38 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
11 Nov 2005 12:26:00 PM |
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
are you allowed to take your gods name in vain? I thought that was frowned
upon?
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
11 Nov 2005 02:22:45 PM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
are you allowed to take your gods name in vain? I thought that was frowned
upon?
why would you care, atheist woman? tell me...
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
12 Nov 2005 09:46:25 AM |
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:4374fead$2_3@x-privat.org...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed
a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific
court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
are you allowed to take your gods name in vain? I thought that was
frowned
upon?
why would you care, atheist woman? tell me...
That you're proving an often made point about xians
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| User: "LisaKay" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
11 Nov 2005 02:42:46 PM |
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shadow wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:dl2nnn$orc$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
are you allowed to take your gods name in vain? I thought that was frowned
upon?
why would you care, atheist woman? tell me...
She's just wondering if you're as bit a hypocrite as you seem...
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
11 Nov 2005 05:45:06 PM |
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"LisaKay" <LisaKay2054@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131741766.103498.33730@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
shadow wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:dl2nnn$orc$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
are you allowed to take your gods name in vain? I thought that was frowned
upon?
why would you care, atheist woman? tell me...
She's just wondering if you're as bit a hypocrite as you seem...
not more than you, atheists. so, whats the difference?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 09:16:58 PM |
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
Ah yes. Our latest trolling jackass rears his/her ugly head. B'bye, jerk.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
11 Nov 2005 11:00:03 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:3tigp7Ft4rhpU1@individual.net...
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
Ah yes. Our latest trolling jackass rears his/her ugly head. B'bye, jerk.
yeah, character assassinate me, atheist!
good job for sie committee!
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
13 Nov 2005 12:35:09 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:00:03 +0100, "shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
yeah, character assassinate me, atheist!
We cannot destroy, what does not exist.
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
15 Nov 2005 09:24:55 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:00:03 +0100, "shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
yeah, character assassinate me, atheist!
We cannot destroy, what does not exist.
oh, you mean like 'we cannot destroy god, cause it doesnt exist'?
okie then. fine by me. my character does not exist, thus you cannot
destroy it.
but... god does exist.
an atheist told me... and he wasnt lying.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
12 Nov 2005 09:37:36 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:16:58 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
Ah yes. Our latest trolling jackass rears his/her ugly head. B'bye, jerk.
Indeed! 96 messages in the bucket.
Ben
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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13 Nov 2005 06:02:20 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:37:36 -0500, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:16:58 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote in message news:43740785$4_1@x-privat.org...
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:37g7n19n148ghh8o08hl3c7i4fcqih7n6i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:14:02 -0800, Jom <jom@usa.net> wrote:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
May I suggest that you hang a model gas chamber next to his model of
an instrument of execution?
Or perhaps gallows or a tiny noose above his office door?
omfg, you guys are completely nuts! hatred ridden atheists!
omfg... michael, you are an idiot.
which, coming from me, is a serious thing to say.
Ah yes. Our latest trolling jackass rears his/her ugly head. B'bye, jerk.
Indeed! 96 messages in the bucket.
Ben
Personally, I'm pleased to be called an "idiot", by someone who is
infallibly wrong on every single point.
Especially when they are being "serious".
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: cross in public school |
10 Nov 2005 05:57:23 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jom (jom@usa.net) made the
light shine upon us with this:
While dropping my child off at his public school recently, I noticed a
small cross had been placed inside and above the front doors. When I
asked an administrator about it, he said (rather irritated), "It's
perfectly legal" and walked away. Does anyone know what the law says
about this type of symbol in a public school, or of any specific court
cases I can cite when I take this to the school board?
It means someone took down the two 2s, the "=" and the 4.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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