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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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15 May 2006 07:58:50 PM |
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Da Vinci Code Is Dangerous |
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/othercott.html
Let's "Othercott" Da Vinci
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous, so I'd like to suggest a better alternative.
By Barbara Nicolosi | posted 05/03/06
I've read and heard a lot lately from Christians who suggest that we
should be willing to "engage" The Da Vinci Code, so that we can be a
part of the "cultural conversation." Believers are touting the upcoming
movie as an "opportunity for evangelism" and even an incentive to
bolster our own faith.
Baloney.
This film is based on a book that wears its heresy and blasphemy as a
badge of honor, and I intend to stay far away from it.
I get lots of calls to do interviews about The Da Vinci Code, but I
duck as many of them as I can. Basically, I hate talking about DVC
because I have a personal relationship with Jesus-and he isn't a
proto-feminist goddess-cultic with a weak personality that could have
been simply co-opted by power-hungry misogynists.
I love Jesus. It makes me physically sick to entertain discussion about
the ways in which the defining acts of his life-his Passion,
Resurrection and establishment of the Church-could be a diabolical
scam that he never anticipated nor experienced. It would make me sick
to hear salacious lies about anyone I love; how much more my Savior?
Besides that, I don't think we should encourage people in the terrible
sin against the Holy Spirit of speculating that things that are holy
are evil, and that things that are evil are holy. Isn't that what is
going on here? How is that not painful for anyone who knows the Lord?
Don't debate the Devil
DVC as great opportunity for evangelism? Hmmm. The climate of
evangelism is not consistent with a posture of defiance and cynicism.
Is slander an opportunity? Is angry superiority an opportunity? DVC
represents all the "opportunity" that the Roman persecutions offered
the early Church. Rah.
And here's another thing that troubles me about the "opportunity for
dialogue" stance. The debate is all on hell's terms. I am somebody who
reads about exorcisms. I don't know why. I just do. And one of the
first rules of exorcism is that you never answer the Devil's questions.
You don't debate the Devil. You do not give evil the authority to
question God.
DVC represents a debate in which the questions start with Satan's
presumptions. I find it beyond naive to convince myself that the folks
who are lapping up DVC are on a "search for truth." They're not. They
are on a crusade to validate their own rejection of the authority of
Christ and the Church.
Here's a typical DVC-inspired dialogue. See if you can find a search
for truth in it.
It usually starts with something like this: "Everybody knows that the
Church Fathers were liars. Can you prove the compilation of the Bible
wasn't pure politics?"
And just when you start saying, "Well, I don't agree that the Church
Fathers were--", the questioner moves on with eyes flashing
unnaturally, "Why is the Church so afraid of women, huh? Why has it
suppressed them since the beginning? Answer THAT!"
You clear your throat and say, "Well, I wouldn't say that the Church is
afr--"
But they've moved on: "The fact is, there is no evidence for the
Resurrection. Have you ever read the Gospel of Mary Magdalene?"
"Well, no, but--"
"See you people are all brain-washed." [Exhalation of disgust.] "How so
many people could be so stupid is amazing to me."
When you debate with Satan, there is no opportunity for anything but
people digging their heels into the sludge of chaos and confusion.
Scandalizing the sheep
I also hate the idea that some of the sheep would be scandalized away
from Jesus by this idiotic story. And they will.
The sheep have been bred as teeming little narcissist lambs who
stubbornly consider themselves "special," no matter how mediocre their
understanding and living out of their life of discipleship. We have a
global pasture full of sheep pasturing themselves, with coats
shamefully besmirched by loving their sins.
They bleat defiance and pride of their filth, and insist that Jesus is
indifferent to their degradation and shame: "Who knows, Jesus is
probably just like us!" They don't know, and don't know that they don't
know, or don't know, and don't care that they don't know.
And now The Da Vinci Code comes along to sheepish ears that are primed
and ready to be told that holiness is impossible. And that is why this
book is a success. It says to people, "If Jesus was a sham, then
anything is permissible." (Ref. "You shall be like gods!")
I thought of this when I read a recent DVC rant from Mark Shea, who
wrote that "the most maddening thing about this book is the thought of
somebody losing their faith over this-this!-stupid piece of
dimestore erudition. If you are going to risk your eternal soul, it
should at least be over something noble and romantic and big. If you
are bound to damn yourself, then at least let it be over a torrid and
star-crossed love affair, or out of tragic hubris that sought to know
What Man Was Not Meant to Know .... But to lose your soul over this
cartoonish, illiterate, dishonest piece of hack drivel?"
I recently attended a DVC event at a local evangelical church. Several
panelists gave long speeches about how Christians should welcome DVC as
an opportunity for dialogue, then opened the floor for questions. A
woman began her question by saying, "I don't have any problem with the
fact that Jesus had sex ...."
Unbelievable! Yeah, let's all march our troops into "dialogue." The
fact that our troops are completely disarmed for a fight seems to be
irrelevant!
Many of our Christian sheep will be ripe for slaughter from DVC. All
they will have to go to battle with is the Bible. But DVC undermines
biblical authority by saying that the Bible was the product of a purely
political process. This debate will shake the faith of many who are not
prepared for it.
An alternative "boycott"
So, what can we as Christians do in response to the release of this
movie?
Some are suggesting a protest. But the problem with this option is that
it doesn't work. Any publicity is good publicity. Protests not only
fuel the box office, they make all Christians look like idiots. And
protests and boycotts do nothing to help shape the decisions being made
right now about what movies Hollywood will make in the next few years.
(Or they convince Hollywood to make *more* movies that will provoke
Christians to protest, which will drive the box office up.)
Some suggest that we simply ignore the movie. But the problem with this
option is that the box office is a ballot box. The only people whose
votes are counted are those who buy tickets; if you stay home, you have
thrown your vote away, and you do nothing to shape the Hollywood
decision-making process regarding what movies will make it to the big
screen.
Some suggest that we go see the movie so we can be better prepared to
discuss it, to "engage the culture," so to speak. But if you've read
this far, you already know how I feel about this. The problem with this
option: No one's listening. They think they know what we're going to
say already.
But I'd like to offer another option.
On DVC's opening weekend-May 19-21-you should go to the movies.
Just go to another movie. That's your way of casting your vote, the
only vote Hollywood recognizes: The power of cold hard cash laid down
on a box office window on opening weekend.
Use your vote. Don't throw it away. Vote for a movie other than DVC. If
enough people do it, the powers that be will notice.
The major studio movie scheduled for release against DVC is the
DreamWorks animated feature Over the Hedge. The trailers look fun, and
you can take your kids. And your friends. And their friends. In fact,
let's all go see it.
Let's rock the box office in a way no one expects-without protests,
without boycotts, without arguments, without rancor. Let's show up at
the box office ballot box and cast our votes. And buy some popcorn,
too.
As for The Da Vinci Code, don't go see this stupid movie. Don't pay
money to have the insidious lies of the enemy introduced into your
heart and mind.
Let's "othercott" DVC on May 19 by going to see Over the Hedge instead.
This commentary was adapted by permission from Nicolosi's online blog,
Church of the Masses.
Barbara Nicolosi is the founder and director of Act One, an
organization whose mission is to train committed Christian writers to
work in the Hollywood film industry.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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16 May 2006 09:11:33 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147741130.244706.158610@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/othercott.html
Let's "Othercott" Da Vinci
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous, so I'd like to suggest a better alternative.
Keep protesting and condemning the movie, Christians. You'll only make more
people want to see it!
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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17 May 2006 07:28:17 AM |
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In article <e4cmij$nt7$1@news.seed.net.tw>, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147741130.244706.158610@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/othercott.html
Let's "Othercott" Da Vinci
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous, so I'd like to suggest a better alternative.
Keep protesting and condemning the movie, Christians. You'll only make more
people want to see it!
• It's too late, holy condemnation is the best recommendation.
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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15 May 2006 08:56:15 PM |
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By Barbara Nicolosi | posted 05/03/06
I love Jesus. It makes me physically sick to entertain discussion about
the ways in which the defining acts of his life-his Passion,
Resurrection and establishment of the Church-could be a diabolical
scam that he never anticipated nor experienced.
Please do it in the toilet.
Barbara Nicolosi is the founder and director of Act One, an
organization whose mission is to train committed Christian writers to
work in the Hollywood film industry.
Don't know how to break it to you, but Jesus' canonical life was
fucking dullsville. Bor-ringggggg. That's why Hollywood in general
has tended to avoid it, that is, until Mel Gibson, in a brilliant
marketing move, eliminated all but one-tenth of one percent of it,
focusing exclusively on its homo-sado-masochistic final hours. Now
THAT'S some box office.
My guess is that you approved of the movie about a seminude,
auburn-haired man being tortured to death in exquisite slow motion, in
stark contrast to your retching at the thought of Jesus having a normal
relationship with a woman. No wonder you were a nun.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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16 May 2006 04:37:16 PM |
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In article <1147741130.244706.158610@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/othercott.html
Let's "Othercott" Da Vinci
The entire rant is based on a false premise: that the bible is any less
fiction than Dan Brown's book.
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| User: "cbruce" |
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03 Jun 2006 06:55:58 AM |
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It's just a work of fiction. Why are you getting all fired up? Are you
insecure, or something? You're certainly acting as if you are.
Take a breath-- OK? Now, maybe write something that doesn't sound quite
so hysterical? (sorry, that's the way this one strikes me)
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/othercott.html
Let's "Othercott" Da Vinci
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous, so I'd like to suggest a better alternative.
By Barbara Nicolosi | posted 05/03/06
I've read and heard a lot lately from Christians who suggest that we
should be willing to "engage" The Da Vinci Code, so that we can be a
part of the "cultural conversation." Believers are touting the upcoming
movie as an "opportunity for evangelism" and even an incentive to
bolster our own faith.
Baloney.
This film is based on a book that wears its heresy and blasphemy as a
badge of honor, and I intend to stay far away from it.
I get lots of calls to do interviews about The Da Vinci Code, but I
duck as many of them as I can. Basically, I hate talking about DVC
because I have a personal relationship with Jesus-and he isn't a
proto-feminist goddess-cultic with a weak personality that could have
been simply co-opted by power-hungry misogynists.
I love Jesus. It makes me physically sick to entertain discussion about
the ways in which the defining acts of his life-his Passion,
Resurrection and establishment of the Church-could be a diabolical
scam that he never anticipated nor experienced. It would make me sick
to hear salacious lies about anyone I love; how much more my Savior?
Besides that, I don't think we should encourage people in the terrible
sin against the Holy Spirit of speculating that things that are holy
are evil, and that things that are evil are holy. Isn't that what is
going on here? How is that not painful for anyone who knows the Lord?
Don't debate the Devil
DVC as great opportunity for evangelism? Hmmm. The climate of
evangelism is not consistent with a posture of defiance and cynicism.
Is slander an opportunity? Is angry superiority an opportunity? DVC
represents all the "opportunity" that the Roman persecutions offered
the early Church. Rah.
And here's another thing that troubles me about the "opportunity for
dialogue" stance. The debate is all on hell's terms. I am somebody who
reads about exorcisms. I don't know why. I just do. And one of the
first rules of exorcism is that you never answer the Devil's questions.
You don't debate the Devil. You do not give evil the authority to
question God.
DVC represents a debate in which the questions start with Satan's
presumptions. I find it beyond naive to convince myself that the folks
who are lapping up DVC are on a "search for truth." They're not. They
are on a crusade to validate their own rejection of the authority of
Christ and the Church.
Here's a typical DVC-inspired dialogue. See if you can find a search
for truth in it.
It usually starts with something like this: "Everybody knows that the
Church Fathers were liars. Can you prove the compilation of the Bible
wasn't pure politics?"
And just when you start saying, "Well, I don't agree that the Church
Fathers were--", the questioner moves on with eyes flashing
unnaturally, "Why is the Church so afraid of women, huh? Why has it
suppressed them since the beginning? Answer THAT!"
You clear your throat and say, "Well, I wouldn't say that the Church is
afr--"
But they've moved on: "The fact is, there is no evidence for the
Resurrection. Have you ever read the Gospel of Mary Magdalene?"
"Well, no, but--"
"See you people are all brain-washed." [Exhalation of disgust.] "How so
many people could be so stupid is amazing to me."
When you debate with Satan, there is no opportunity for anything but
people digging their heels into the sludge of chaos and confusion.
Scandalizing the sheep
I also hate the idea that some of the sheep would be scandalized away
from Jesus by this idiotic story. And they will.
The sheep have been bred as teeming little narcissist lambs who
stubbornly consider themselves "special," no matter how mediocre their
understanding and living out of their life of discipleship. We have a
global pasture full of sheep pasturing themselves, with coats
shamefully besmirched by loving their sins.
They bleat defiance and pride of their filth, and insist that Jesus is
indifferent to their degradation and shame: "Who knows, Jesus is
probably just like us!" They don't know, and don't know that they don't
know, or don't know, and don't care that they don't know.
And now The Da Vinci Code comes along to sheepish ears that are primed
and ready to be told that holiness is impossible. And that is why this
book is a success. It says to people, "If Jesus was a sham, then
anything is permissible." (Ref. "You shall be like gods!")
I thought of this when I read a recent DVC rant from Mark Shea, who
wrote that "the most maddening thing about this book is the thought of
somebody losing their faith over this-this!-stupid piece of
dimestore erudition. If you are going to risk your eternal soul, it
should at least be over something noble and romantic and big. If you
are bound to damn yourself, then at least let it be over a torrid and
star-crossed love affair, or out of tragic hubris that sought to know
What Man Was Not Meant to Know .... But to lose your soul over this
cartoonish, illiterate, dishonest piece of hack drivel?"
I recently attended a DVC event at a local evangelical church. Several
panelists gave long speeches about how Christians should welcome DVC as
an opportunity for dialogue, then opened the floor for questions. A
woman began her question by saying, "I don't have any problem with the
fact that Jesus had sex ...."
Unbelievable! Yeah, let's all march our troops into "dialogue." The
fact that our troops are completely disarmed for a fight seems to be
irrelevant!
Many of our Christian sheep will be ripe for slaughter from DVC. All
they will have to go to battle with is the Bible. But DVC undermines
biblical authority by saying that the Bible was the product of a purely
political process. This debate will shake the faith of many who are not
prepared for it.
An alternative "boycott"
So, what can we as Christians do in response to the release of this
movie?
Some are suggesting a protest. But the problem with this option is that
it doesn't work. Any publicity is good publicity. Protests not only
fuel the box office, they make all Christians look like idiots. And
protests and boycotts do nothing to help shape the decisions being made
right now about what movies Hollywood will make in the next few years.
(Or they convince Hollywood to make *more* movies that will provoke
Christians to protest, which will drive the box office up.)
Some suggest that we simply ignore the movie. But the problem with this
option is that the box office is a ballot box. The only people whose
votes are counted are those who buy tickets; if you stay home, you have
thrown your vote away, and you do nothing to shape the Hollywood
decision-making process regarding what movies will make it to the big
screen.
Some suggest that we go see the movie so we can be better prepared to
discuss it, to "engage the culture," so to speak. But if you've read
this far, you already know how I feel about this. The problem with this
option: No one's listening. They think they know what we're going to
say already.
But I'd like to offer another option.
On DVC's opening weekend-May 19-21-you should go to the movies.
Just go to another movie. That's your way of casting your vote, the
only vote Hollywood recognizes: The power of cold hard cash laid down
on a box office window on opening weekend.
Use your vote. Don't throw it away. Vote for a movie other than DVC. If
enough people do it, the powers that be will notice.
The major studio movie scheduled for release against DVC is the
DreamWorks animated feature Over the Hedge. The trailers look fun, and
you can take your kids. And your friends. And their friends. In fact,
let's all go see it.
Let's rock the box office in a way no one expects-without protests,
without boycotts, without arguments, without rancor. Let's show up at
the box office ballot box and cast our votes. And buy some popcorn,
too.
As for The Da Vinci Code, don't go see this stupid movie. Don't pay
money to have the insidious lies of the enemy introduced into your
heart and mind.
Let's "othercott" DVC on May 19 by going to see Over the Hedge instead.
This commentary was adapted by permission from Nicolosi's online blog,
Church of the Masses.
Barbara Nicolosi is the founder and director of Act One, an
organization whose mission is to train committed Christian writers to
work in the Hollywood film industry.
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15 May 2006 08:22:25 PM |
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On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "pandora" |
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16 May 2006 01:43:03 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:m8ai621heosbakgadcdq3nj5ltn63kq5kh@4ax.com...
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
That it's based on fear, lies and mumbo jumbo just like all other religions?
Marg
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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16 May 2006 07:11:26 AM |
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In article <m8ai621heosbakgadcdq3nj5ltn63kq5kh@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
--
• The sticky wicket with the Da Vinci Code is the idea that the rabbi who
is said to have founded the religion may have had female apostles, and
this idea irritates the hell out of the boy's club in Rome.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 May 2006 04:22:04 AM |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:22:25 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
- Refer: <m8ai621heosbakgadcdq3nj5ltn63kq5kh@4ax.com>
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
That they can't recognise that they worship a work of fiction.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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16 May 2006 07:17:15 PM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:bc6j62lc2pgbac9it1n7galja00eingoo3@4ax.com:
On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:22:25 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
- Refer: <m8ai621heosbakgadcdq3nj5ltn63kq5kh@4ax.com>
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
That they can't recognise that they worship a work of fiction.
More likely they do recognise it deep down. That's why they feel so
threatened by it.
Klazmon.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 May 2006 10:11:13 PM |
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On 17 May 2006 12:17:15 +1200, Llanzlan Klazmon
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns97C67CFE8772DKlazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6>
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:bc6j62lc2pgbac9it1n7galja00eingoo3@4ax.com:
On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:22:25 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
- Refer: <m8ai621heosbakgadcdq3nj5ltn63kq5kh@4ax.com>
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
That they can't recognise that they worship a work of fiction.
More likely they do recognise it deep down. That's why they feel so
threatened by it.
You may be correct, but is damn near impossible to find out.
What, with their invincible shield of duplicity and cognitative
dissonance, they can't even admit it to themselves, let alone a third
party.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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16 May 2006 10:07:27 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
It says everything.
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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15 May 2006 08:36:54 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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16 May 2006 07:20:37 AM |
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In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away. I would not be surprised if
Pope (1294-1303) Boniface VIII, the guy who decreed the inferiority of
women in the church, is turning over in his grave.
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16 May 2006 09:35:56 PM |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away.
Hootie and The Blowfish sold over 10 million copies of their first
album, and couldn't get arrested three years later. I don't see The
DaVinci Code having a much greater shelf life.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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17 May 2006 09:27:25 AM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:op2l62tci5pino67kr7oref19v2qgpus10@4ax.com:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for
evangelism; others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish.
Da Vinci is dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away.
Hootie and The Blowfish sold over 10 million copies of their first
album, and couldn't get arrested three years later. I don't see The
DaVinci Code having a much greater shelf life.
--
Sir Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is the best selling song of all
time. It certainly isn't great music. I wouldn't put too much stock in
best sellers.
When my brother saw the first Schwinn "Stingray" bicycle he announced it
was a passing fad that would die out in a year or two. 30+ years later I
am still waiting for it to die out.
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16 May 2006 10:28:28 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard, and any
one who watches a lot of films and knows a lot about them consider it a
kind of "Citizen Kane" among horror films. While it doesn't work on he
same level that it once did due to our more technology oriented society,
it is clearly a horror masterpiece. "Night of the Living Dead" is camp.
"The Exorcist" is not, and is not considered as such by anyone I've
ever heard. You're the first.
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away.
Hootie and The Blowfish sold over 10 million copies of their first
album, and couldn't get arrested three years later. I don't see The
DaVinci Code having a much greater shelf life.
"The Da Vinci Code" has already sat on the bestseller list that long.
You can bet that this book is going to be around a long, long time.
Here's why: the book it was loosely based on, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail,"
has constantly been in print for about twenty years. It still bears an
influence -- rightly or wrongly -- on some people's beliefs.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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17 May 2006 03:52:28 PM |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:28 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard,
I've never heard anyone consider it anything else in the past 20 years
or so.
and any
one who watches a lot of films and knows a lot about them consider it a
kind of "Citizen Kane" among horror films.
I'd reserve that title for "The Wicker Man", myself.
While it doesn't work on he
same level that it once did due to our more technology oriented society,
it is clearly a horror masterpiece. "Night of the Living Dead" is camp.
"The Exorcist" is not, and is not considered as such by anyone I've
ever heard. You're the first.
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away.
Hootie and The Blowfish sold over 10 million copies of their first
album, and couldn't get arrested three years later. I don't see The
DaVinci Code having a much greater shelf life.
"The Da Vinci Code" has already sat on the bestseller list that long.
You can bet that this book is going to be around a long, long time.
The reviews are just coming in for the movie, and apparently it's a
turkey, which may not bode well for the continued success of the book.
Here's why: the book it was loosely based on, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail,"
has constantly been in print for about twenty years. It still bears an
influence -- rightly or wrongly -- on some people's beliefs.
I recall it from my esoteric studies days, but I hardly think it's
going to influence the average Christian on the street.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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17 May 2006 09:34:29 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:28 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard,
I've never heard anyone consider it anything else in the past 20 years
or so.
I don't believe that. I think you just made that up.
and any
one who watches a lot of films and knows a lot about them consider it a
kind of "Citizen Kane" among horror films.
I'd reserve that title for "The Wicker Man", myself.
That's a good one, too. But that doesn't diminish "The Exorcist" as a
very good horror movie.
While it doesn't work on he
same level that it once did due to our more technology oriented society,
it is clearly a horror masterpiece. "Night of the Living Dead" is camp.
"The Exorcist" is not, and is not considered as such by anyone I've
ever heard. You're the first.
• Indeed, Alric. With book sales past 40-million and the movie on it's
way, it's not going to quickly fade away.
Hootie and The Blowfish sold over 10 million copies of their first
album, and couldn't get arrested three years later. I don't see The
DaVinci Code having a much greater shelf life.
"The Da Vinci Code" has already sat on the bestseller list that long.
You can bet that this book is going to be around a long, long time.
The reviews are just coming in for the movie, and apparently it's a
turkey, which may not bode well for the continued success of the book.
Critics are hypercritical. You'll have to wait for the audiences'
reactions. The main criticism from critics seems to be that it's
boring. But they watch so many movies, sometimes they bore easier than
I would, and I'm not going to see the movie because it's my job.
Here's why: the book it was loosely based on, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail,"
has constantly been in print for about twenty years. It still bears an
influence -- rightly or wrongly -- on some people's beliefs.
I recall it from my esoteric studies days, but I hardly think it's
going to influence the average Christian on the street.
No, it won't. It never did and I wasn't saying it would. The fact is,
it's been in print for twenty years. Christians are in their own worlds
to start with, with their own fantasies, and they're very snug in them,
as their religious ideology meets all of their needs. But there's a
vast majority of people who want something and have just enough faith to
believe they can still find it. The book will be read by them, as will
"The Da Vinci Code."
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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17 May 2006 10:17:57 PM |
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:34:29 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:28 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard,
I've never heard anyone consider it anything else in the past 20 years
or so.
I don't believe that. I think you just made that up.
Not at all. Perhaps we're particularly jaded in New York, but in these
parts, Linda Blair is considered a camp icon, albeit not on the level
of Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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18 May 2006 08:43:08 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:34:29 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:28 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for
evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci
is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard,
I've never heard anyone consider it anything else in the past 20 years
or so.
I don't believe that. I think you just made that up.
Not at all. Perhaps we're particularly jaded in New York, but in these
parts, Linda Blair is considered a camp icon, albeit not on the level
of Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".
Really? Well, I'm in NJ and Linda Blair isn't considered a "camp icon"
here - Neither is The Exorcist considered "camp".
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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18 May 2006 03:23:15 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:34:29 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:28 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:20:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <126ib5ndehh20fb@corp.supernews.com>, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for evangelism;
others say it's a chance to engage the culture. Rubbish. Da Vinci is
dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction that barely anyone
will remember ten years from now, what does that say about
Christianity?
I have an idea that ten years from now, it'll still be famous. Like
"The Exorcist."
Which, these days, is regarded as camp by people who have seen it, and
is mostly famous for being famous among the majority of people who may
have heard of it, but have never watched it.
No, it's still not considered camp by anyone I've ever heard,
I've never heard anyone consider it anything else in the past 20 years
or so.
I don't believe that. I think you just made that up.
Not at all. Perhaps we're particularly jaded in New York, but in these
parts, Linda Blair is considered a camp icon, albeit not on the level
of Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".
Linda Blair became a camp icon because of her countless campy films
after "The Exorcist," and she plays up her attachment to that film by
doing stuff on AMC around Halloween, and that sort of thing. And though
an actress might herself have a campy role, it doesn't make previous
attachments campy. I wouldn't consider "Bonnie and Clyde" or
"Chinatown" campy because of Faye Dunway.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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16 May 2006 08:48:49 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 15 May 2006 17:58:50 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Many Christians see The Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for
evangelism; others say it's a chance to engage the culture.
Rubbish. Da Vinci is dangerous
If Christians are threatened by a work of fiction
Christians are NOT threatened by a work of fiction. They worship
a work of fiction called ByBull.
that barely
anyone will remember ten years from now, what does that say
about Christianity?
Bible, Quran, Vedas and many other works of fiction still stand
strong after thousands of years.
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Rawat
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16 May 2006 08:46:28 AM |
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Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
George
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16 May 2006 02:01:00 PM |
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"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
George
Or the truth, apparently.
Marg
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16 May 2006 11:39:28 AM |
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"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
Then why all the pissing and moaning about the movie?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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17 May 2006 01:59:58 AM |
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In article <4cudcuF17hg7aU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
Then why all the pissing and moaning about the movie?
I don't understand either. It's fiction. Not true. Unreal. Made up. A
story. A tall tale. If they don't like it, they don't have to see the
movie or read the book.
<shakes head>
Some people need to get lives.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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17 May 2006 07:39:42 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-9DF197.23595816052006@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <4cudcuF17hg7aU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people
know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
Then why all the pissing and moaning about the movie?
I don't understand either. It's fiction. ...
• The Roman church tolerates men who are into boys. Any suggestion that
its founder was into girls is not likely to be well received.
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17 May 2006 08:27:06 AM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-1705060539420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <jhachmann-9DF197.23595816052006@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <4cudcuF17hg7aU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says
or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people
know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith
is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
Then why all the pissing and moaning about the movie?
I don't understand either. It's fiction. ...
. The Roman church tolerates men who are into boys. Any suggestion that
its founder was into girls is not likely to be well received.
D'oh! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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17 May 2006 09:23:08 AM |
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In article <4d0mg7F18fmcqU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-1705060539420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <jhachmann-9DF197.23595816052006@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <4cudcuF17hg7aU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"George" <nospam@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIkag.6098$z97.80171@news20.bellglobal.com...
Let's make sure people know that Brown is a total phoney when he says
or
hints that his novel is based on real research. Let's let people
know what
the lies are. But beyond that, let's no overreact. The Catholic Faith
is
timeless. It can't really be shaken by a novel or a movie.
Then why all the pissing and moaning about the movie?
I don't understand either. It's fiction. ...
. The Roman church tolerates men who are into boys. Any suggestion that
its founder was into girls is not likely to be well received.
D'oh! :)
• For 9 to 12 year old boys, this is no laughing matter.
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