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Voices From The Underground
Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code (Doubleday, 2003), $24.95, 454 pp.
Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner
For those of us who remember the Doubleday Image books, which were a
series of solidly Catholic works, it's sad to reflect on what has
happened to this publisher. We have in The Da Vinci Code, God help us,
a best-seller which is not only deeply anti-Catholic -- indeed one
could reasonably call it "hate speech" -- but also profoundly corrupt,
worse than pornography. Why? Because it is propaganda for what was
rightly called in the Old Testament an abomination -- ritual orgiastic
sex with a "priestess" in front of a chanting crowd. The great Hebrew
prophets thundered against this use of sex as a religious rite, and
with good reason. Those who got addicted to it were virtually beyond
reclaiming. They were not likely to repent when they deluded
themselves into thinking that this sin exalted rather than defiled
them. Sad that a book advocating such a monstrous perversion should
come out of Doubleday.
But why should this novel have made it to the best-seller list? The
answer is that Dan Brown has produced here an ingenious thriller. But
that is only the packaging of the story. What he has placed on the
inside, under the wrappers, is an indoctrination into Gnosticism. The
reader is intended to swallow the Gnostic poison while enjoying the
murder mystery. The reader is also meant to imbibe many lies about
Christian history which appear as factual declarations in the mouths
of two well-educated characters who reinforce each other. Outrageous
lies are given as indubitable facts -- for example, that the medieval
Church killed five million women in 300 years, that Christians were
constantly making war on Pagans before 325 A.D. (in fact they endured
ten great persecutions without ever lifting a sword against the Pagan
Romans), and that the Crusades were launched to destroy information
about Mary Magdalene's having been the wife of Jesus (125, 232, 254).
We are told in dogmatic tones that Original Sin was an idea devised to
counter the "sacred feminine" and that Christians regarded Jesus
Christ as a mere mortal until "the great deception" of His divinity
was imposed by Constantine on the Nicene Council (238, 295). All this
would be laughable, were it not meant to entrap young and uneducated
readers.
The author pretends to be on the side of the true Jesus and presents
him as "the original feminist" who "intended for the future of His
Church to be in the hands of Mary Magdalene," but Peter foiled his
plan. (248). Everything from Genesis to the modern Church is presented
in this book as a struggle against the only religion that really
counts for Brown -- goddess-worship, which turns out in the end to be
Magdalene worship.
In this book there is a secret society whose members share a
fascination with "goddess iconology, paganism, feminine deities, and
contempt for the Church" (113). Only gradually is it made clear that
this society practices the abomination of ritual sex. The three
monotheistic religions are all dismissed as women-hating because they
dared to "recast as a shameful act" the ritual sex by which "holy men"
used to become one with their "female counterparts" (125). Note the
use of holy for men engaged in this perversion. The book is chock full
of references to pentacles, roses, pyramids, blades and chalices, all
of which are obsessively connected with sex and goddess worship. A
great many images found in literature, art and architecture are
twisted here into symbols of sexual union -- including the square
cross and the star of David. Such obsessiveness of association is
deviant and could well be a symptom of mental disorder. One can only
hope it's not contagious for the millions of readers expecting to
enjoy a thriller.
Brown's Mary Magdalene is not the Catholic saint we know. She stands
here for the goddess of sex once called Isis, Astarte or Venus. The
secret society in Brown's story "worships Mary Magdalene as the
Goddess, the Holy Grail, the Rose, and the Divine Mother" (255). It
sees Our Lord as the equivalent of the horned gods of Paganism, such
as Baal. We have witnessed many sacrileges in recent years, such as a
Crucifix dipped in urine and a Madonna adorned with elephant dung. But
this book may be worse. It is the equivalent of Belshazzar's feast,
where the sacred cup belonging to the Holy of Holies was monstrously
profaned. Brown takes the Holy Grail, the cup in which Christ is
thought to have consecrated the Blessed Sacrament at the Last Supper,
and tramples it by reducing it to something carnal. He tries to
persuade the reader that the Holy Grail had nothing to do with the
Eucharist, but was only about Mary Magdalene's procreative organs.
Christians were deluded, and the "blood of Christ" resided all along
only in this particular woman and her physical descendants, nowhere
else. The descendants of Magdalene have been guarded down the ages by
the secret society because their existence is supposed to prove that
the Church foisted a deception on the world. Thus, once the
murder-mystery wrapper is removed, Browns book turns out to be
hate-speech, blasphemy and sacrilege all rolled into one.
On the last page, the Harvard professor finds Magdalene's grave but
decides against publicizing what's in it, the documentary proof that
the Church is a fraud. Why? Because it wouldn't do for the hoi polloi
to know the "Truth." Here Brown preaches Gnostic doctrine: that the
stupid many, unlike the superior few, cannot live without lies. He
shows the Bible as a web of lies, too, for he quotes Da Vinci saying,
"Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the
stupid multitude," and adds that this is in reference to the Bible
(231).
The Da Vinci Code is full of anagrams, puzzles, riddles and codes.
This highlights what is most seductive about Gnosticism, its appeal to
superficial cleverness. For the Gnostic, truth is an esoteric code
that only the very clever can decipher. Brown treats his readers as if
they belonged to this exclusive club of code-breakers. Trouble is,
when all the puzzles are solved -- and he solves them by his
mouthpiece the Harvard professor so the reader doesn't have to take
any trouble -- what is left is banal and sordid. In contrast to the
infinite depth and holiness of the Christian mysteries, the Gnostic
mysteries turn out to be dull and dirty, like an expanse of
foul-smelling mud. Or like coming to the last of several nesting boxes
and finding that instead of a rare gift, you have only a pornographic
image.
It's no accident that the professor who speaks for Brown ends up
sounding like an atheist. He tells the naive girl that "every faith in
the world is based on fabrication," and every religion uses
"metaphors," but foolish ordinary people believe these stories
"literally," while those "who truly understand their faiths understand
the stories are metaphorical" (341-2). In other words, clever people
are atheists because they regard every religion as made up. Well where
does that leave Brown's goddess worship by ritual sex? This too must
be a fabrication. How insubstantial this is, like a weird incoherent
dream. Yet such a view of reality has tragic and eternal consequences,
and one rightly fears for the young, unwary reader.
Brown's constant use of flattery to inveigle women reminds one of a
comic routine that Elaine May and Mike Nichols used to perform. In a
brief seduction scene, May would protest, "I want you to respect me,"
and Nichols would exclaim enthusiastically as he pawed her, "I respect
you, I respect you!" In the same way, Brown uses women as if they
consisted only of sexual organs and at the same time exclaims with
enthusiasm, "you're sacred, you're sacred!"
In chapter 74, Brown finally gives a lengthy description of ritual
sex. By this point he imagines that the reader has fallen under his
Gnostic spell, so it is safe for the professor tell the ingenue about
a ceremony that only looks "like a sex ritual," but is actually "a
spiritual act" meant to "achieve gnosis." When the girl wonders how
"orgasm" can be called "prayer," the professor assures her that ritual
sex "is not a perversion" but a "deeply sacrosanct ceremony." (And
Brooklyn Bridge is for sale, too.) He declares that ancient Jews and
"priestesses" engaged in these rituals in Solomon's Temple and
worshiped a Goddess called Shekinah. He even dares to decipher the
sacred Tetragrammaton, the name of the biblical God, as meaning the
same as Yin/Yang. Using a "soft voice," he tells the girl how
"mankind's use of sex to commune directly with God posed a serious
threat to the Catholic power base," and this is why the Church had to
"demonize sex" (309). These are all lies. One may ask if he is not the
one demonizing sex by reducing it, as he does, to a single monstrous
perversion.
In the last lines of the Da Vinci Code (454), after Mary Magdalene's
grave has been found, the professor kneels in reverence and seems to
hear a voice speaking to him from the abyss below: "For a moment, he
thought he heard a woman's voice ... the wisdom of the ages ...
whispering up from the chasms of the earth." One cannot help here but
be reminded of Dante, the greatest Catholic poet, in whose Inferno the
deep chasms of the earth are teeming with wicked demons and damned
souls. By Brown's own admission here, the pretended "wisdom" that has
inspired his book is lodged in the underworld. This is the voice,
then, not of Mary Magdalene, but of a demon. Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.
http://www.culturewars.com/2004/DaVinci.html
.

User: "Jeff Thomas"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 02:39:38 AM
<weiler214@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Voices From The Underground

Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code (Doubleday, 2003), $24.95, 454 pp.


Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner



For those of us who remember the Doubleday Image books, which were a
series of solidly Catholic works, it's sad to reflect on what has
happened to this publisher. We have in The Da Vinci Code, God help us,
a best-seller which is not only deeply anti-Catholic -- indeed one
could reasonably call it "hate speech" -- but also profoundly corrupt,
worse than pornography. Why? Because it is propaganda for what was
rightly called in the Old Testament an abomination -- ritual orgiastic
sex with a "priestess" in front of a chanting crowd. The great Hebrew
prophets thundered against this use of sex as a religious rite, and
with good reason. Those who got addicted to it were virtually beyond
reclaiming. They were not likely to repent when they deluded
themselves into thinking that this sin exalted rather than defiled
them. Sad that a book advocating such a monstrous perversion should
come out of Doubleday.

But why should this novel have made it to the best-seller list? The
answer is that Dan Brown has produced here an ingenious thriller. But
that is only the packaging of the story. What he has placed on the
inside, under the wrappers, is an indoctrination into Gnosticism. The
reader is intended to swallow the Gnostic poison while enjoying the
murder mystery. The reader is also meant to imbibe many lies about
Christian history which appear as factual declarations in the mouths
of two well-educated characters who reinforce each other. Outrageous
lies are given as indubitable facts -- for example, that the medieval
Church killed five million women in 300 years, that Christians were
constantly making war on Pagans before 325 A.D. (in fact they endured
ten great persecutions without ever lifting a sword against the Pagan
Romans), and that the Crusades were launched to destroy information
about Mary Magdalene's having been the wife of Jesus (125, 232, 254).
We are told in dogmatic tones that Original Sin was an idea devised to
counter the "sacred feminine" and that Christians regarded Jesus
Christ as a mere mortal until "the great deception" of His divinity
was imposed by Constantine on the Nicene Council (238, 295). All this
would be laughable, were it not meant to entrap young and uneducated
readers.

The author pretends to be on the side of the true Jesus and presents
him as "the original feminist" who "intended for the future of His
Church to be in the hands of Mary Magdalene," but Peter foiled his
plan. (248). Everything from Genesis to the modern Church is presented
in this book as a struggle against the only religion that really
counts for Brown -- goddess-worship, which turns out in the end to be
Magdalene worship.

In this book there is a secret society whose members share a
fascination with "goddess iconology, paganism, feminine deities, and
contempt for the Church" (113). Only gradually is it made clear that
this society practices the abomination of ritual sex. The three
monotheistic religions are all dismissed as women-hating because they
dared to "recast as a shameful act" the ritual sex by which "holy men"
used to become one with their "female counterparts" (125). Note the
use of holy for men engaged in this perversion. The book is chock full
of references to pentacles, roses, pyramids, blades and chalices, all
of which are obsessively connected with sex and goddess worship. A
great many images found in literature, art and architecture are
twisted here into symbols of sexual union -- including the square
cross and the star of David. Such obsessiveness of association is
deviant and could well be a symptom of mental disorder. One can only
hope it's not contagious for the millions of readers expecting to
enjoy a thriller.

Brown's Mary Magdalene is not the Catholic saint we know. She stands
here for the goddess of sex once called Isis, Astarte or Venus. The
secret society in Brown's story "worships Mary Magdalene as the
Goddess, the Holy Grail, the Rose, and the Divine Mother" (255). It
sees Our Lord as the equivalent of the horned gods of Paganism, such
as Baal. We have witnessed many sacrileges in recent years, such as a
Crucifix dipped in urine and a Madonna adorned with elephant dung. But
this book may be worse. It is the equivalent of Belshazzar's feast,
where the sacred cup belonging to the Holy of Holies was monstrously
profaned. Brown takes the Holy Grail, the cup in which Christ is
thought to have consecrated the Blessed Sacrament at the Last Supper,
and tramples it by reducing it to something carnal. He tries to
persuade the reader that the Holy Grail had nothing to do with the
Eucharist, but was only about Mary Magdalene's procreative organs.
Christians were deluded, and the "blood of Christ" resided all along
only in this particular woman and her physical descendants, nowhere
else. The descendants of Magdalene have been guarded down the ages by
the secret society because their existence is supposed to prove that
the Church foisted a deception on the world. Thus, once the
murder-mystery wrapper is removed, Browns book turns out to be
hate-speech, blasphemy and sacrilege all rolled into one.

On the last page, the Harvard professor finds Magdalene's grave but
decides against publicizing what's in it, the documentary proof that
the Church is a fraud. Why? Because it wouldn't do for the hoi polloi
to know the "Truth." Here Brown preaches Gnostic doctrine: that the
stupid many, unlike the superior few, cannot live without lies. He
shows the Bible as a web of lies, too, for he quotes Da Vinci saying,
"Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the
stupid multitude," and adds that this is in reference to the Bible
(231).

The Da Vinci Code is full of anagrams, puzzles, riddles and codes.
This highlights what is most seductive about Gnosticism, its appeal to
superficial cleverness. For the Gnostic, truth is an esoteric code
that only the very clever can decipher. Brown treats his readers as if
they belonged to this exclusive club of code-breakers. Trouble is,
when all the puzzles are solved -- and he solves them by his
mouthpiece the Harvard professor so the reader doesn't have to take
any trouble -- what is left is banal and sordid. In contrast to the
infinite depth and holiness of the Christian mysteries, the Gnostic
mysteries turn out to be dull and dirty, like an expanse of
foul-smelling mud. Or like coming to the last of several nesting boxes
and finding that instead of a rare gift, you have only a pornographic
image.

It's no accident that the professor who speaks for Brown ends up
sounding like an atheist. He tells the naive girl that "every faith in
the world is based on fabrication," and every religion uses
"metaphors," but foolish ordinary people believe these stories
"literally," while those "who truly understand their faiths understand
the stories are metaphorical" (341-2). In other words, clever people
are atheists because they regard every religion as made up. Well where
does that leave Brown's goddess worship by ritual sex? This too must
be a fabrication. How insubstantial this is, like a weird incoherent
dream. Yet such a view of reality has tragic and eternal consequences,
and one rightly fears for the young, unwary reader.

Brown's constant use of flattery to inveigle women reminds one of a
comic routine that Elaine May and Mike Nichols used to perform. In a
brief seduction scene, May would protest, "I want you to respect me,"
and Nichols would exclaim enthusiastically as he pawed her, "I respect
you, I respect you!" In the same way, Brown uses women as if they
consisted only of sexual organs and at the same time exclaims with
enthusiasm, "you're sacred, you're sacred!"

In chapter 74, Brown finally gives a lengthy description of ritual
sex. By this point he imagines that the reader has fallen under his
Gnostic spell, so it is safe for the professor tell the ingenue about
a ceremony that only looks "like a sex ritual," but is actually "a
spiritual act" meant to "achieve gnosis." When the girl wonders how
"orgasm" can be called "prayer," the professor assures her that ritual
sex "is not a perversion" but a "deeply sacrosanct ceremony." (And
Brooklyn Bridge is for sale, too.) He declares that ancient Jews and
"priestesses" engaged in these rituals in Solomon's Temple and
worshiped a Goddess called Shekinah. He even dares to decipher the
sacred Tetragrammaton, the name of the biblical God, as meaning the
same as Yin/Yang. Using a "soft voice," he tells the girl how
"mankind's use of sex to commune directly with God posed a serious
threat to the Catholic power base," and this is why the Church had to
"demonize sex" (309). These are all lies. One may ask if he is not the
one demonizing sex by reducing it, as he does, to a single monstrous
perversion.

In the last lines of the Da Vinci Code (454), after Mary Magdalene's
grave has been found, the professor kneels in reverence and seems to
hear a voice speaking to him from the abyss below: "For a moment, he
thought he heard a woman's voice ... the wisdom of the ages ...
whispering up from the chasms of the earth." One cannot help here but
be reminded of Dante, the greatest Catholic poet, in whose Inferno the
deep chasms of the earth are teeming with wicked demons and damned
souls. By Brown's own admission here, the pretended "wisdom" that has
inspired his book is lodged in the underworld. This is the voice,
then, not of Mary Magdalene, but of a demon. Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.




http://www.culturewars.com/2004/DaVinci.html

Sounds reasonable to me. There is nothing more obscene than Jesus' teaching
that there is a Hell in which billions of us will suffer for eternity. I
don't want any children reading that crap. According to the Old Testament,
"God is for the living, not the dead".
Your judgement on what are lies is based only on your belief in the inerrant
Bible and the spin that has been put on it by the Catholic church. Have you
done any research? It was 392 AD that the Bible came to have its present
form and established as the law of the land. It took that long because no
one could agree on the truth. If Constantine, a follower of Mithraism,
hadn't decided Christianity was good for keeping the masses in line, it
probably would have gone extinct.
"The big turning point was brought about by the Congress of Nicaea in AD
325. Constantine, a great supporter of the Christian religion, although not
converting to it until the time of his decease, gathered together 2,000
leading figures in the world of theology, the idea being to bring about the
advent of Christianity as the official state religion of Rome. It was out of
this assembly that Jesus was formally declared to be the Son of God, and
Saviour of Mankind, another slain saviour god, bringing up the tally of
slain god-men to seventeen, of which Mithra, together with such men as Bel
and Osiris, was included. "
http://members.aol.com/MercStG/ChriMithPage1.html
Jeff
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 22 Oct 2004 07:08:25 PM
On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,
wrote:

Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.

I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it might
make her see things a bit differently.
.
User: "I.E. Johansson"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 22 Oct 2004 10:32:57 PM
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> skrev i meddelandet
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On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:

Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.


I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it might
make her see things a bit differently.

Only one objection. Is the author a female? 'Dan' is only a male name here
in Scandinavia thus I thought it was a 'he' who wrote the text.
Inger E
.
User: "Alan Crozier"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 03:23:14 AM
"I.E. Johansson" <ingernospam_e.johanssonx@telia.com> wrote in message
news:Jhked.107090$dP1.403308@newsc.telia.net...


"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> skrev i meddelandet
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On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:

Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.


I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it might
make her see things a bit differently.


Only one objection. Is the author a female? 'Dan' is only a male name here
in Scandinavia thus I thought it was a 'he' who wrote the text.

Most people were able to understand that the reference was to the female
author of the review of Dan Brown's book.
--
Alan Crozier
Lund
Sweden
.


User: "W. Syme"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 22 Oct 2004 07:17:48 PM

and ritual sex.

Show me one marriage where sex isn't a ritual.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
.

User: "Clockwork Orange"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 06:43:51 AM
Oh, I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>!

On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:

Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the
gross abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship
and ritual sex.


I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it
might make her see things a bit differently.

<insert snake oil pun here>
--
Cheers,
--Jeff
"Do not write so that you can be understood,
write so that you cannot be misunderstood."
--Epictetus
Websites for authors
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.

User: "Martin Edwards"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 02:49:41 AM
raven1 wrote:

On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:


Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.



I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it might
make her see things a bit differently.

That is only likely to cause greater incidence of backache, already a
serious problem worldwide.
--
You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause. -Chico Marx
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 03:35:11 AM
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:49:41 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Martin
Edwards (Martin Edwards <bigm554@netscape.net>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism

raven1 wrote:

On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:


Indeed this whole book,
while superficially clever, comes straight out of hell. It is
especially wicked to use the name of Mary Magdalene to cover the gross
abominations of Gnosticism, which include goddess worship and ritual
sex.



I feel sorry for the author, and recommend that she try both; it might
make her see things a bit differently.


That is only likely to cause greater incidence of backache, already a
serious problem worldwide.

And one that's easily solved: http://www.loveswing.com/ !
--
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User: "W. Syme"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 22 Oct 2004 06:29:22 PM
On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,
wrote:

Voices From The Underground

Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code (Doubleday, 2003), $24.95, 454 pp.

The book sucked, ok? It was painfully obvious that it's a "recipy
novel".
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
.
User: "Jez"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 08:52:52 AM
W. Syme wrote:

On 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700,

wrote:


Voices From The Underground

Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code (Doubleday, 2003), $24.95, 454 pp.



The book sucked, ok? It was painfully obvious that it's a "recipy
novel".

Yip.
The holy blood and the holy grail was fun though.
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/redir/index179.html
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
.


User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 22 Oct 2004 11:58:48 PM
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700, weiler214 wrote:

Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner

who doesn't seem to be familiar with the concept we call "fiction".
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.
User: "Michael Grosberg"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 03:24:04 PM
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.10.23.04.58.47.298096@mail.utexas.edu>...

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700, weiler214 wrote:

Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner


who doesn't seem to be familiar with the concept we call "fiction".

She once read a book that featured a guy who died and then came back
from the dead, an omnipotent lifeform who created the world and a
talking snake. And she believed every word of it - it's understandable
she would be worried about people believing the theories found in "The
DaVinci Code".
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User: "I.E. Johansson"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 23 Oct 2004 04:26:01 PM
"Michael Grosberg" <preacher_mg@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:23:15 -0700, weiler214 wrote:

Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner


who doesn't seem to be familiar with the concept we call "fiction".


She once read a book that featured a guy who died and then came back
from the dead, an omnipotent lifeform who created the world and a
talking snake. And she believed every word of it - it's understandable
she would be worried about people believing the theories found in "The
DaVinci Code".

The worst problem is that while 5-10%(sometimes more) of facts presented in
fiction books might be correct, the rest definitely isn't and if then the
writer of a fiction review can't understand that, how can we blame those who
neither are scholars working in fields like History and Religion and who
barely read fictions under normal circumstances hadn't it been for that the
book had been so 'discussed' if they don't understand what the writer of the
review has 'eaten' without thinking of where it came from?
Inger E
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User: "The New Prophets"

Title: Re: Da Vinci Code: Voices From The Gnostic Underground 24 Oct 2004 07:33:42 AM
Voices From The Underground
Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code (Doubleday, 2003), $24.95, 454 pp.
Reviewed by Anne Barbeau Gardiner
Here again we have a review which is nothing but the rantings of a Catholic.
What is Annie's claim to fame. I don't recall any best sellers by her.
The rant starts with the word Underground in the title. More Catholic
thought processes. By using that term, it makes it sound like the Gnostic
Writings were some kind of underground (ie, rebellious) anti church stuff.
Then the same terms in the Voices from the Underground. The same old, same
old, Catholic tricks. It makes these writings seem to be something less than
what they are.
But the fact remains, that these were religious writings of an early sect of
christianity. They had their apostles, and preists just like the Roman
church. What the Gnostic church DID NOT DO, was bow to the demands from the
Roman church to compromise and submit, thus they went the way of the Pagan
churches. Destroyed by the alliance of the Roman Church with the Roman
Emperors.
Annie quotes no sources in her rant, thus her whole piece becomes nothing
but her opinions.
I would ask Annie to tell us this:
1) Where in Gnostic writings does she find any sex rites?
2) Where in Catholic writings does she have a clear statement that Jesus was
not married?
3) Have you read any history, of how the Roman Emperors, mainly through
money, ensured the supremacy of the Roman Church.
4) Explain how Clement, says that all teachers had to have a letter of
authority from James, the Lord's brother.
Annie's words:
a best-seller which is not only deeply anti-Catholic -- indeed one

could reasonably call it "hate speech" -- but also profoundly corrupt,
worse than pornography. Why? Because it is propaganda for what was
rightly called in the Old Testament an abomination -- ritual orgiastic
sex with a "priestess" in front of a chanting crowd. The great Hebrew
prophets thundered against this use of sex as a religious rite, and
with good reason. Those who got addicted to it were virtually beyond
reclaiming. They were not likely to repent when they deluded
themselves into thinking that this sin exalted rather than defiled
them. Sad that a book advocating such a monstrous perversion should
come out of Doubleday.

See Annie's opinion!!! She obviously prefers the Church's teaching that sex
should only be for procreation!! Annie, have you ever had sex for pleasure?
If so, do you use birth control? Prefer to pump out little catholic kids
every two years.

But why should this novel have made it to the best-seller list? The
answer is that Dan Brown has produced here an ingenious thriller. But
that is only the packaging of the story. What he has placed on the
inside, under the wrappers, is an indoctrination into Gnosticism. The
reader is intended to swallow the Gnostic poison while enjoying the
murder mystery. The reader is also meant to imbibe many lies about
Christian history which appear as factual declarations in the mouths
of two well-educated characters who reinforce each other. Outrageous

Gnostic Poison. Again Catholic crap. I repeat, gnostic writings are the
writings of an early sect of christianity. It is branded poison by
Catholics, simply because for very minor reasons, they banned these
writings, simply because they did not agree with The Catholic concept of
religion.
If these Gnostic gospels and writings are poison. then give us some quotes,
Annie dear. Otherwise, when writing a review, you are only spouting Catholic
dogma, and your own biased opinions.

lies are given as indubitable facts -- for example, that the medieval
Church killed five million women in 300 years, that Christians were
constantly making war on Pagans before 325 A.D. (in fact they endured
ten great persecutions without ever lifting a sword against the Pagan
Romans), and that the Crusades were launched to destroy information
about Mary Magdalene's having been the wife of Jesus (125, 232, 254).
We are told in dogmatic tones that Original Sin was an idea devised to
counter the "sacred feminine" and that Christians regarded Jesus
Christ as a mere mortal until "the great deception" of His divinity
was imposed by Constantine on the Nicene Council (238, 295). All this
would be laughable, were it not meant to entrap young and uneducated
readers.

Annie, do you know what literary license is?? It's a catholic saying that
Jesus was wrong, when he tells us he would be in the grave three days and
three nights, See Matthew 12: 40. It is the church taking the killing of the
Pagan god Attis on Black Friday and his rising from the dead on the Pagan
day of the Sun, and then making that pagan timeframe fit the death of Jesus.
Interesting use of biblical writings to try and make it fit.
So, Dan Brown sometimes gets off track. But you claim some scholars say
there were not 5 million women killed. But then again there are scholars who
do say there were millions killed. But you have already decided which ones
you want to believe, not necessarily who was right.
Did the Catholic church destroy pagan shrines? Did they kill heretics?
Ever hear of the albinginsen crusade, when they killed some fellow
christians for believeing something different.
It seems that Annie's argument is not that they didn't do this. but just
that it was not before 325Ad, and we are not sure of the numbers.
Great scholarship Annie, Why should we believe anything else in your rant.
Annie, was the so called heretic Arius banned at the council of Nicea? And
he taught what?? That Jesus was not a God. So was that decided at that
council. Seems like it was!!
Original Sin??? Another Catholic crap idea. Baptise them as babys, and
chances are they will never change. Probably the greatest recruitment gimic
ever thought up.
And that is all it is. No one can be condemned if they do not have the
knowledge to understand!!
And the idea of a woman being made to bear children, simply because of some
sin is out and out crap. God says go forth and multiply. That is why humans
were given sex organs. If it was only for procreation, God wouldn't have
made it pleasurable.
That is why Catholics practice birth control, even though their church says
they shouldn't.
And on and on Annie is on a rant. No sources, no quotes, no nothing.
But that is the catholic way. Read all the rants against heresies over the
years. Pick out little pieces, and knock it. If I picked out little pieces
of the bible and knocked them, and you did not have the original, would that
be a fair argument. Of course not. The principle is the same. Why would I
believe a catholic writer who condemns some heresy, unless I have the
complete heretical writing to know if the Catholic was right.
So Annie, stick to your dogma, your tradition, and when writing a review try
and get some facts into it, your religionist rant is just that.
A RANT.
Bless you anyway
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