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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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16 Dec 2007 04:45:27 AM |
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Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 12/16/07. |
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/47350.html
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
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| Title: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
16 Dec 2007 09:29:01 AM |
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On Dec 16, 2:45 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/47350.html
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
17 Dec 2007 08:30:41 AM |
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On Dec 16, 10:29=EF=BF=BDam, wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:45 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/47350.html
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.- Hide quoted text -
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Theists do it all the time. They 'translate' the bible.
The inability to understand as well as the need to understand says it
all about man made religion.
Atheist have put more time in trying to understand than most theists.
Hermeneutics is a major problem with religious thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics
There is such debate and disagreement as to what the scriptures really
mean and the consequences of a 'bad' interpretation will mean
everlasting torture and pain in hell? When deciphering code and
hidden meanings becomes a life or death proposition, one has to wonder
about a God that supposedly put his name on such a muddled up
document. I can also tell you that destroying another being and
causing them 'pain and torturing for eternity' will yield the provider
of that pain and torture ZERO peace. This concept of pain, eternal
hell and karma all smacks of the human touch of 'fear based' religious
thought. We can see it in a quote from a Christian list member here:
JesusForgiveThem writes:
"Do you believe in eternal suffering? I surely would hate for anyone
to consciously chose to spend an eternity in hell over some foolish
pride that they can't get over ... as opposed to opening your heart to
Jesus and see what he has to offer before writing Him off completely."
This discussion of eternal suffering that JesusForgiveThem brings up
leads us to another problem. Which divinely inspired document does one
follow as there are numerous books... all claiming to the word of God?
And all these documents conflict with each other? It is with this
overlap of these documents that are in agreement that I seek to find
peace with. And anything that conflicts or cannot be substantiated and
does not pass my empirical tests I have to let it go as 'man's ego'
being injected into the equation. If God wishes to make things clear
and without the need for hermeneutics then I am all ears. But until
that time, we must each do the best we can and come to peace with this
subject for ourselves.
But this problem of hermeneutics is not limited solely to the study of
monotheism. It also encompasses the history of Buddhist thought as
well. A favorite saying of the Mahayana is that of using 'skillful
means' to achieve ones goal. Skillful Means =3D Put a Spin On It =3D LIE.
Now, I am not just singling out the Mahayana as the bad boys. Lies and
imperfections are widespread throughout all spiritual thought that was
ever created my man. Man is imperfect and as such all his religious
thought it also imperfect. But within these imperfections there are
also many perfection's, as seldom is a thing all good or all bad.
With my own spiritual quest I have evolved into an agnostic
freethinker. From the tradition of religion telling massive lies
intermingled with some truths (yes the spiritual traditions of the
world contain some truth) I have learned to not believe anything that
requires faith and cannot be tested and applied as a universal law to
the whole of society. I apply this form of thought to all my spiritual
traditions I draw from whether it be monotheism to Buddhism or Taoism.
Now some of these spiritual truths are 'lesser truths' and subjective
in nature. The application of such relative truth is more or less
unimportant and up to the likes or dislikes of the individual. But the
larger truths that are universal in nature are what I try to
distinguish and then follow. If a concept is not 'crystal clear' and
requires much speculation, I let it go. We can see what has happened
in religious history when man gets too 'enthused' about
interpretation. I do not wish to follow in those footsteps.
How do we know we have made an honest effort at this decoding
business? For one, we do not fool with decoding, we just think and
test for truth. Number two, we come to peace by giving it the 'hell
test.' We work towards moral and ethical principles and develop what
is called a 'good heart' which also aligns us magically with the
empirical basics of religious thought in the various documents
attributed to be the word of God. If we are successful at this quest
and ethically and morally sound, when it comes time to die we can be
at peace knowing we have done our best in this area. And if we find
out that there is a hell and the entity 'claiming to be God' (for lack
of a better name) has domed us to hell from 'not decoding it right'
even with our best efforts, we can be at peace with knowing God is an
unjust God and not a real God but an alien 'god bully' of sorts.
And when it comes to dying and the title 'loving God', we as imperfect
humans that strive to develop a good heart will contain infinity more
of that true 'Godly nature' that this 'alien god bully' claming to be
God that seeks to torture those that have worked along spiritual lines
to be good people. This is the 'hell test' in a nutshell - you are at
peace with your actions and you are authentic as well about your life.
When you align Right Actions + Authenticity this equals PEACE - Just
as Socrates told his accusers when they condemned him to death.
Socrates had no fear of evil in this life or after death:
"Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know this of a
truth - that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after
death."
As I write this post, I am reminded of aliens in an old "Superman"
movies that came to earth to tell us to 'bow down' to them or else?
Yes, the aliens in the movie had great powers but they were not
God...they were just gods to us humans. Seek truth, seek inner peace,
seek the development of a good heart and put your best efforts into
finding it and you too can be at peace with this subject. Of course,
if one has never found inner peace all that I am telling you is
unbelievable to you? Always remember...a wise mans knows what he says
and a fool can only say what he knows. Learn to say what you know, and
also know right from wrong actions and you can be at peace with your
life or any life to come as well.
One last point. If you look at the name of the Christian I quoted
above it is JesusForgiveThem it tells an interesting story in itself.
If a God needs to be told by JesusForgiveThem or any other of us
humans what to do, what is right or wrong and we can sway an
omnipotent and perfect God just by begging...then that is one scary
God. For we can see what has happened on earth when human demigods
have been in power.
See:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/burning.html
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "H.S." |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
17 Dec 2007 10:09:08 AM |
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Besides making up quotes, Chung seems to refer to his own personal web
pages as proof of what he says here. Classic case of circular reasoning
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| User: "DarkSentinel" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thought processes. |
19 Dec 2007 01:00:22 PM |
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"H.S." <harsmit99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0ea504b2-5836-4ea2-8392-b61ef980e298@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Besides making up quotes, Chung seems to refer to his own personal web
pages as proof of what he says here. Classic case of circular reasoning
Better be careful, or the ole Chungster is gonna convict you too. Of what I
have no idea. Maybe being too intelligent
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T2 - Oct. '06 - Lantus, oral meds, diet
Blog: http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel
Undo the munge to reply by email
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| User: "J666" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
16 Dec 2007 10:03:27 AM |
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On Dec 16, 9:29 am, wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:45 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/47350.html
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
He is really just changing the definition of words to fit into his
spiel - he "discerns" that saying the sky is green and the grass is
blue will make it so and add into that he now makes up quotes from the
Holy Spirit. In his reality he sees nothing wrong, in the reality of
the real world, it is absurd.
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| User: "Paul L" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thought processes. |
16 Dec 2007 11:29:12 AM |
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"J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8e761e3-80e0-41c1-9d59-a22dd59d7ec4@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
He is really just changing the definition of words to fit into his
spiel - he "discerns" that saying the sky is green and the grass is
blue will make it so and add into that he now makes up quotes from the
Holy Spirit. In his reality he sees nothing wrong, in the reality of
the real world, it is absurd.
Pardon me for a small correction, but "in his reality"
he makes this stuff up to irritate the people that
inexplicably seem to hang on his every word.
The rest of us quit reading his stuff LONG ago.
cheers
Paul
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thought processes. |
16 Dec 2007 06:52:49 PM |
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"Paul L" <kbtrans@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:t8qdnUiSo9Xg_fjanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast.com...
"J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8e761e3-80e0-41c1-9d59-a22dd59d7ec4@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
He is really just changing the definition of words to fit into his
spiel - he "discerns" that saying the sky is green and the grass is
blue will make it so and add into that he now makes up quotes from the
Holy Spirit. In his reality he sees nothing wrong, in the reality of
the real world, it is absurd.
Pardon me for a small correction, but "in his reality"
he makes this stuff up to irritate the people that
inexplicably seem to hang on his every word.
You forgot your citiations for evidence again. Only Satan's minions
denigrate without citing evidence for their opinions. Atheists seem to hold
their own personal and private opinions in very high esteem, for that's all
they have to go on.
Now cite the "Bible quotes Chung makes up to fit his own thought
processes" already, or admit you are just lying for atheism.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
17 Dec 2007 08:04:05 AM |
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On Dec 16, 4:52 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Paul L" <kbtr...@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:t8qdnUiSo9Xg_fjanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast.com...> "J666" <jeaa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8e761e3-80e0-41c1-9d59-a22dd59d7ec4@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
He is really just changing the definition of words to fit into his
spiel - he "discerns" that saying the sky is green and the grass is
blue will make it so and add into that he now makes up quotes from the
Holy Spirit. In his reality he sees nothing wrong, in the reality of
the real world, it is absurd.
Pardon me for a small correction, but "in his reality"
he makes this stuff up to irritate the people that
inexplicably seem to hang on his every word.
You forgot your citiations for evidence again. Only Satan's minions
denigrate without citing evidence for their opinions. Atheists seem to hold
their own personal and private opinions in very high esteem, for that's all
they have to go on.
Now cite the "Bible quotes Chung makes up to fit his own thought
processes" already, or admit you are just lying for atheism.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Chung posted,
Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 12/16/07.
"Be stronger (hungrier) and on guard shielded by truth and armed with
love to protect your heart from those who are irrational, stricken
with the powerful delusion that hunger is bad (2 Thessalonians
2:9-11):"
That is not in any bible. That's made up nonsense.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thought processes. |
17 Dec 2007 08:16:36 AM |
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wrote:
On Dec 16, 4:52 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Paul L" <kbtr...@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:t8qdnUiSo9Xg_fjanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast.com...> "J666"
<jeaa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8e761e3-80e0-41c1-9d59-a22dd59d7ec4@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com..
..
He is really just changing the definition of words to fit into his
spiel - he "discerns" that saying the sky is green and the grass
is blue will make it so and add into that he now makes up quotes
from the Holy Spirit. In his reality he sees nothing wrong, in
the reality of the real world, it is absurd.
Pardon me for a small correction, but "in his reality"
he makes this stuff up to irritate the people that
inexplicably seem to hang on his every word.
You forgot your citiations for evidence again. Only Satan's
minions
denigrate without citing evidence for their opinions. Atheists seem
to hold
their own personal and private opinions in very high esteem, for
that's all
they have to go on.
Now cite the "Bible quotes Chung makes up to fit his own thought
processes" already, or admit you are just lying for atheism.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Chung posted,
Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 12/16/07.
"Be stronger (hungrier) and on guard shielded by truth and armed with
love to protect your heart from those who are irrational, stricken
with the powerful delusion that hunger is bad (2 Thessalonians
2:9-11):"
That is not in any bible. That's made up nonsense.
i cannot begin to tell you ,
how great knowing this important info is
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| User: "J666" |
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17 Dec 2007 08:16:06 AM |
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On Dec 17, 8:04 am, wrote
That is not in any bible. That's made up nonsense.
You obviously do not have a "discerning heart"
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
16 Dec 2007 11:09:07 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:52:49 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
You forgot your citiations for evidence again. Only Satan's minions
denigrate without citing evidence for their opinions.
Ah the irony. It doesn't take much to work out that these theists don't
believe a word of their own *****.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Chung makes up bible quotes to fit his own thoughtprocesses. |
16 Dec 2007 11:59:01 AM |
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On Dec 16, 11:29 am, "Paul L" <kbtr...@qwest.net> wrote
"Pardon me for a small correction, but "in his reality he makes this
stuff up to irritate the people that inexplicably seem to hang on his
every word.
The rest of us quit reading his stuff LONG ago."
My response.
To think that Chung would maintain and update a web site with many
pages for all this time and spend the time and money to self-publish a
book just as a way to twit people on Google groups, would seem to be
as crazy as Chung would have to be to mean what he writes or do all
this as a game.
Paul, I see you have read this thread of Chung's - welcome back
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