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19 Oct 2004 06:10:09 AM |
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Dalai Lama |
Dalai Lama says Tibet is better off within China
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=573564
By Justin Huggler in Delhi
19 October 2004
Tibet would be better off to remain within China rather than regain
its independence, the Dalai Lama has told an interviewer. "Tibet is
backward," the exiled spiritual leader said. "It's a big land, rich in
natural resources, but we lack the technology or expertise [to exploit
them]. So, if we remain in China, we might get a greater benefit,
provided it respects our culture and environment and gives us some
kind of guarantee."
Justin Huggler
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0405130137.7f2cb209%40posting.google.com
Dalai Lama
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Dalai+Lama%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Dalai+Lama%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Dalai+Lama%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Dalai%20Lama&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Tibet Tibetan Tibetans
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+Tibet+OR+Tibetan+OR+Tibetans&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=gn&q=Tibet+OR+Tibetan+OR+Tibetans&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Tibet+OR+Tibetan+OR+Tibetans&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_oq=Tibet%20Tibetan%20Tibetans&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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09 Nov 2004 03:22:17 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
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If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the current
VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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09 Nov 2004 04:24:55 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.11.09.09.22.17.916294@ms74.hinet.net>,
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the current
VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
If they kill *all* the Taiwanese then there will no one left to hate
them.
So I guess that "peaceful unification" is right up there with
"peaceful liberation" as an oxymoron where the CCP is concerned?
One can only hope that Yu's mentality is not widespread in the
CCP.
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| User: "Yu" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:04:48 AM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.22.17.916294@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the current
VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
I have no goal other than telling the truth.
The problem with you is you have a goal and you lie to achieve that goal.
I have no goal and I have credibility.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:32:49 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:04:48 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.22.17.916294@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the
current VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in
Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
I have no goal other than telling the truth.
So you need to explain how "telling the truth" is equated with "killing
people".
.....I have no goal and I have credibility.
So, the unification of China is not your goal?
--
Love, Jim
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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10 Nov 2004 08:50:55 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.11.10.07.32.47.629123@ms74.hinet.net>,
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote:
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
I have no goal other than telling the truth.
So you need to explain how "telling the truth" is equated with "killing
people".
.....I have no goal and I have credibility.
Yu may be the only one reading this who believes that.
So, the unification of China is not your goal?
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| User: "Yu" |
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11 Nov 2004 01:11:46 AM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.10.07.32.47.629123@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:04:48 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.22.17.916294@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the
current VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in
Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC your
goal?
I have no goal other than telling the truth.
So you need to explain how "telling the truth" is equated with "killing
people".
I have never said "telling the truth" = "killing people".
It's your new childish word game.
OTOH, the chance of military conflict is high and people will die when
there is a war.
.....I have no goal and I have credibility.
So, the unification of China is not your goal?
Not the goal of my writing to the usenet.
China will be unified, most peobably by some form of military action.
What we say here amount to very little.
Do you have any statistics on how many people read SCC?
#I expect you to come up with some deliberate distortion like "yu is
against unification" or "yu has gone mad".
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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11 Nov 2004 02:01:27 AM |
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In article <f0abc8cb.0411102311.35c378c3@posting.google.com>,
Yu <yugaung@yahoo.com> wrote:
OTOH, the chance of military conflict is high and people will die when
there is a war.
Has a free democratic people in a stable democracy
ever been forcibly invaded before? Maybe by the US
or the Nazis once or twice. Is the PRC ready to
destroy their credibility even more?
.....I have no goal and I have credibility.
So, the unification of China is not your goal?
Not the goal of my writing to the usenet.
China will be unified, most peobably by some form of military action.
What we say here amount to very little.
Do you have any statistics on how many people read SCC?
#I expect you to come up with some deliberate distortion like "yu is
against unification" or "yu has gone mad".
How about "Yu approves of free guys in pool halls in Taipei
getting beaten up by CCP thugs"?
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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11 Nov 2004 01:18:36 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:11:46 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.10.07.32.47.629123@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:04:48 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.22.17.916294@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
If CSB were murdered by the CCP, the new President would be the
current VP. Killing Chen would increase hatred for the CCP in
Taiwan.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere.
Is increasing the amount of hatred Taiwanese feel toward the PRC
your goal?
I have no goal other than telling the truth.
So you need to explain how "telling the truth" is equated with "killing
people".
I have never said "telling the truth" = "killing people". It's your new
childish word game.
Well, you seem to be praising teh murder of elected officials of the ROC,
and then you said, contradictorily, that you have no goal but telling the
truth.
Can I conclude that killing elected officials of the ROC is not one of
your goals?
OTOH, the chance of military conflict is high and people will die when
there is a war.
You weren't talking about deaths in a war, you were talking about
assassination of government officials.
.....I have no goal and I have credibility.
So, the unification of China is not your goal?
Not the goal of my writing to the usenet.
Is it your goal?
China will be unified, most probably by some form of military action.
What we say here amount to very little. Do you have any statistics on
how many people read SCC?
Not interested in your predictions. I am only interested in whether you
lied when you said you have no goal. Did you?
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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09 Nov 2004 03:21:27 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
The recipient of the money is not contaminated by the motives of the
giver.
The recipient have to perform certain service to justify CIA's
expenditure....
Nonsense. I donated money to John Kerry's Presidential election effort. No
"services" needed to be performed.
The documents you showed provides no evidence that there was any contract
for services between the CIA and the Dalai Lama.
or the auditor general will ask nasty questions.
These expenditures were not disclosed to the auditor general.
Do you recall the Marshall Plan? What "services" were performed by the
Europeans in exchange for the assistance provided?>
Where as Richard Gere or your grandmother do not answer to the auditor
general, the CIA do.
No. I wish it were true, but it is not.
Consider the following case:
The CIA gives money to Mr. Smithski. The money is to be used to bribe
foreign military men to obtain secrets about their country's military
capability.
Do you claim that this information is provided to the auditor general to
justify the CIA expenditure? Are you serious?
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere
CIA documents on funding of the Dalai Lama were declassified in 1998.
Duh? And this means?
Dalai obtained the Nobel prize before CIA declassified its Tibet files.
LOL. The Dalai Lama is at least as widely respected today, after that
disclosure as before it.
And weirdly, YOU believe the CIA. If the CIA reported that it was
raining in Taipei, I would look out the window and check. Unless I saw
rain, I would not believe the report.
But the Dalai Lama admitted it himself. He said CIA did it for the
interest of USA. Naturally he wouldn't call himself a collaborator or a
traitor, but that is understood.
No. When the US gives financial aid to African countries to slow the
spread of AIDS, the US has a "self-interested" motive, and the Africans
who accept the money are neither traitors to their people nor employees of
the USA.
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Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:01:49 AM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.21.26.485462@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:33 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.08.14.31.23.475322@ms74.hinet.net>...
The recipient of the money is not contaminated by the motives of the
giver.
The recipient have to perform certain service to justify CIA's
expenditure....
Nonsense. I donated money to John Kerry's Presidential election effort. No
"services" needed to be performed.
You are not CIA and CIA is not Jim Walsh.
Do you murder people?
Do you plot coups?
The documents you showed provides no evidence that there was any contract
for services between the CIA and the Dalai Lama.
The objectives of the CIA was stated clearly, it was political,
military and propaganda.
or the auditor general will ask nasty questions.
These expenditures were not disclosed to the auditor general.
They have checks.
Do you recall the Marshall Plan? What "services" were performed by the
Europeans in exchange for the assistance provided?>
Marshall plan was not run by the CIA.
CIA was formed yet.
Later CIA infiltrated every W European countries make sure that the
Communist never win any election. In Italy they teamed up with the
Roman Catholic church to prevent communist victory.
Where as Richard Gere or your grandmother do not answer to the auditor
general, the CIA do.
No. I wish it were true, but it is not.
Consider the following case:
The CIA gives money to Mr. Smithski. The money is to be used to bribe
foreign military men to obtain secrets about their country's military
capability.
Do you claim that this information is provided to the auditor general to
justify the CIA expenditure? Are you serious?
The CIA has an annual budget of 40 bil. You seriously think the
president spent it without some sort of verification.
What if he use it to murder his wife, or spy on Jim Kerry?
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere
CIA documents on funding of the Dalai Lama were declassified in 1998.
Duh? And this means?
Dalai obtained the Nobel prize before CIA declassified its Tibet files.
LOL. The Dalai Lama is at least as widely respected today, after that
disclosure as before it.
Respectability can be engineered with million dollar promotion.
And weirdly, YOU believe the CIA. If the CIA reported that it was
raining in Taipei, I would look out the window and check. Unless I saw
rain, I would not believe the report.
But the Dalai Lama admitted it himself. He said CIA did it for the
interest of USA. Naturally he wouldn't call himself a collaborator or a
traitor, but that is understood.
No. When the US gives financial aid to African countries to slow the
spread of AIDS, the US has a "self-interested" motive, and the Africans
who accept the money are neither traitors to their people nor employees of
the USA.
CIA give money to help AIDs patients? That's a breakthrough.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:31:26 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:01:49 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.09.09.21.26.485462@ms74.hinet.net>...
Nonsense. I donated money to John Kerry's Presidential election effort.
No "services" needed to be performed.
You are not CIA and CIA is not Jim Walsh. Do you murder people? Do you
plot coups?
You claimed that because the US State Department gave money to the Dalai
Lama (using the CIA to keep the money secret), therefore the Dalai Lama
was an employee of the CIA.
I am merely giving counter examples; where the gift of money did not a
promise of services or employment.
The documents you showed provides no evidence that there was any
contract for services between the CIA and the Dalai Lama.
The objectives of the CIA was stated clearly, it was political, military
and propaganda.
Read what I wrote. The motives of the CIA are not evidence of a contract
for services.
or the auditor general will ask nasty questions.
These expenditures were not disclosed to the auditor general.
They have checks.
No. The auditor general doesn't evaluate CIA payments.
Do you recall the Marshall Plan? What "services" were performed by the
Europeans in exchange for the assistance provided?>
Marshall plan was not run by the CIA. CIA was formed yet.
Later CIA infiltrated every W European countries make sure that the
Communist never win any election. In Italy they teamed up with the Roman
Catholic church to prevent communist victory.
I am getting a thread of an idea here. IF the CIA did it, it was evil in
respect, and everyone touched by the CIA is also evil in every respect.
That is a ludicrous theory.
The CIA gives money to Mr. Smithski. The money is to be used to bribe
foreign military men to obtain secrets about their country's military
capability.
Do you claim that this information is provided to the auditor general
to justify the CIA expenditure? Are you serious?
The CIA has an annual budget of 40 bil. You seriously think the
president spent it without some sort of verification.
Yes. I am seriously saying that NO ONE outside of the CIA knows to whom
the money was given or who the ultimate payees were.
If you were a foreign military man, would you take a bribe from a CIA
operative if you KNEW that your name was going into a record reviewed by
auditors?
What if he use it to murder his wife, or spy on Jim Kerry?
What if? Of course CIA resources (and any secret resources generally) have
been abused. Repeatedly.
And that is one reason why for quite a long time I have supported
abolishing all spy organizations in the USA.
VP will be liquidated together with the Primere
CIA documents on funding of the Dalai Lama were declassified in
1998.
Duh? And this means?
Dalai obtained the Nobel prize before CIA declassified its Tibet
files.
LOL. The Dalai Lama is at least as widely respected today, after that
disclosure as before it.
Respectability can be engineered with million dollar promotion.
In other words, your statement about declassification of files had no
meaning.
And weirdly, YOU believe the CIA. If the CIA reported that it was
raining in Taipei, I would look out the window and check. Unless I
saw rain, I would not believe the report.
But the Dalai Lama admitted it himself. He said CIA did it for the
interest of USA. Naturally he wouldn't call himself a collaborator or
a traitor, but that is understood.
1. I fully accept that the CIA gave money to the Dalai Lama.
2. I fully agree that the CIA did so because of its perception that it
would promote American self-interest.
3. I repeat that this is not evidence of a contract for services.
No. When the US gives financial aid to African countries to slow the
spread of AIDS, the US has a "self-interested" motive, and the Africans
who accept the money are neither traitors to their people nor employees
of the USA.
CIA give money to help AIDs patients? That's a breakthrough.
LOL.
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Love, Jim
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| User: "LT Lee" |
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05 Nov 2004 03:06:53 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.12.28.22428@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:59:38 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.03.07.24.35.782131@ms74.hinet.net>...
Richard Gere gave money to the Dalai Lama. Is Richard Gere also his
employer?
So, CIA is some sort of Buddhist charitable organization? It paid the
Dalai Lama out of compassion?
No. It gave him money because his continued well being served the CIA's
idea of America's interests.
So?
The Soviet Union gave CKS money for the same reason. That didn't make CKS
an employee of the Soviet Union.
No one gave CKS a Nobel Peace prize although think about it he would
be as deserving as the DL.
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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05 Nov 2004 03:40:14 PM |
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In article <5eb15984.0411051306.2b92d978@posting.google.com>,
LT Lee <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.12.28.22428@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:59:38 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.03.07.24.35.782131@ms74.hinet.net>...
Richard Gere gave money to the Dalai Lama. Is Richard Gere also his
employer?
So, CIA is some sort of Buddhist charitable organization? It paid the
Dalai Lama out of compassion?
No. It gave him money because his continued well being served the CIA's
idea of America's interests.
So?
The Soviet Union gave CKS money for the same reason. That didn't make CKS
an employee of the Soviet Union.
No one gave CKS a Nobel Peace prize although think about it he would
be as deserving as the DL.
Um, no.
Not that this has anything to do with whether the Dalai Lama,
"worked for the CIA".
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| User: "ordosclan" |
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10 Nov 2004 02:46:45 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.02.10.32.53.68972@ms74.hinet.net>...
US State Department Subsidy for the DL does not equal the DL works for the
CIA.
Try again. [And fail again.]
Ok lets make this easy. First of all you said there was no proof,
your shown proof and then you say, it doesnt prove he works for the
cia.
If you work for Citibank, you work for the cia.
If you work for any other front, you work for the cia.
Were not talking about contract agents here. James bond stuff. Were
talking informants and puppets. Whores that take money to pass on
certain information to the company and perform certain dutys. If you
get paid by someone, you work for them. Esp. if they are in law
enforcement or intelligence. Your an INFORMANT at least. Period.
End of discussion.
You could use this kind of prima facie defense against anyone that
doesnt have any money, apparently. If you said X person is a spy, and
they are always broke, kinda strange. Who works for free? Doesnt
kinda make sense does it.
Lots of people get indirect money from government. I knew of one guy
that got social security, with no visible means of disability. That
was his government pay camoflaged as social security payment. No one
works for free and no one gets paid to do nothing. Thats the main
truth in intelligence. Money is paid for services and services are
bought with money. Basic economics.
Its not GRATIS. Puh. Get fucking real.
If you practice secrecy, your a subversive, professional or
non-professional is another issue.
If you participate in a secret study on anyone without the other
person or people having the benefit of defending themselves or
representing themselves, your an INFORMANT. Period.
ordosclan@mail.hongkong.com
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02 Nov 2004 06:55:52 AM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.01.14.20.29.285028@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:11:58 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
There are declassified CIA documents that say Dalai work for them.
No. There are no such documents. You are lying.
The DL got money from the CIA and gave them tacit approval to
underwent anti-China activities in Tibet. Of course, the DL was
working for the CIA.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
02 Nov 2004 08:15:37 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:55:52 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:11:58 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
There are declassified CIA documents that say Dalai work for them.
No. There are no such documents. You are lying.
The DL got money from the CIA and gave them tacit approval to underwent
anti-China activities in Tibet. Of course, the DL was working for the
CIA.
The State Department gives lots of money to lots of people. It is a joke
to claim that the relationship in every case (or in any case) is
"employment".
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
02 Nov 2004 10:35:19 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.11.02.14.15.37.601698@ms74.hinet.net>,
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote:
The State Department gives lots of money to lots of people. It is a joke
to claim that the relationship in every case (or in any case) is
"employment".
I guess that all of Europe was "working" for Uncle Sam
during the implementation of the Marshall Plan.
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| User: "LT Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
02 Nov 2004 04:54:28 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.02.14.15.37.601698@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:55:52 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.01.14.20.29.285028@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:11:58 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
There are declassified CIA documents that say Dalai work for them.
No. There are no such documents. You are lying.
The DL got money from the CIA and gave them tacit approval to underwent
anti-China activities in Tibet. Of course, the DL was working for the
CIA.
The State Department gives lots of money to lots of people. It is a joke
to claim that the relationship in every case (or in any case) is
"employment".
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and
the quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say
Dalai work for the CIA.
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| User: "Bill Moore" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
02 Nov 2004 05:31:49 PM |
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In article <e4078d73.0411021454.2d3686f7@posting.google.com>,
LT Lee <leed2k3@gmail.com> wrote:
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and
the quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say
Dalai work for the CIA.
This is a bit of a semantics argument. The larger picture is that
1) The Communist Chinese were destroying Tibetan culture and
brutalizing Tibetans. They will tell you it was "liberation"
form feudal Lamas. Well, there is some truth to that but it
is also true that they were wickedly brutalizing the people
they were "liberating".
2) The US offered to help Tibet, not out of magnamity but
because of their own agenda.
3) The Dalai Lama accepted the help.
4) The Communist Chinese who were doing the brutalizing
are upset at the Dalai Lama for accepting American help
in trying to save his people. They still criticize him to
this day.
It's kind of hard for normal human beings to have sympathy for the
CCP point of view.
Stay tuned for the CCP propaganda version of this story.
But do your own research to find out the truth. CCP
bootlickers will always give you a one-sided story, always
denying the killing and the destruction of Tibetan culture.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
03 Nov 2004 01:25:33 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:54:28 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and the
quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say Dalai work
for the CIA.
Of course it is wrong.
The CIA gave weapons to the Taliban. Did they work for the CIA? No.
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| User: "Yu" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
03 Nov 2004 08:03:41 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.03.07.25.33.972813@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:54:28 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and the
quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say Dalai work
for the CIA.
Of course it is wrong.
The CIA gave weapons to the Taliban. Did they work for the CIA? No.
CIA never gave weapon to the Taliban.
Taliban was formed much later after the fall of USSR.
Jim is poorly educated in world history.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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03 Nov 2004 11:13:24 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:03:41 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.03.07.25.33.972813@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:54:28 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and
the quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say
Dalai work for the CIA.
Of course it is wrong.
The CIA gave weapons to the Taliban. Did they work for the CIA? No.
CIA never gave weapon to the Taliban. Taliban was formed much later
after the fall of USSR.
The individuals and organizations which later evolved into the Taliban.
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| User: "Yu" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
05 Nov 2004 01:21:45 AM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.13.23.37056@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:03:41 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.03.07.25.33.972813@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:54:28 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Did the DL and the CIA sign an employment contract? Probably not.
However, money in the form of a yearly stipend had changed hands and
the quid pro quo relations was clear. It is then not wrong to say
Dalai work for the CIA.
Of course it is wrong.
The CIA gave weapons to the Taliban. Did they work for the CIA? No.
CIA never gave weapon to the Taliban. Taliban was formed much later
after the fall of USSR.
The individuals and organizations which later evolved into the Taliban.
The warlords that took money from USA were discridited because of
their corrupt live style.
A group of young students from religious schools, led by Iman Omar,
formed the Tabiban which grew rapidly to control the country.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
05 Nov 2004 08:53:09 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:21:45 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
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A group of young students from religious schools, led by Iman Omar,
formed the Tabiban which grew rapidly to control the country.
Using weapons supplied to "Freedom Fighters" by the CIA.
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| User: "Yu" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
05 Nov 2004 08:17:13 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.05.14.53.09.788829@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:21:45 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.13.23.37056@ms74.hinet.net>...
A group of young students from religious schools, led by Iman Omar,
formed the Tabiban which grew rapidly to control the country.
Using weapons supplied to "Freedom Fighters" by the CIA.
Those weapons were captured from CIA's corrupted warlords army.
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
06 Nov 2004 12:08:37 AM |
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:17:13 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.05.14.53.09.788829@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:21:45 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.13.23.37056@ms74.hinet.net>...
A group of young students from religious schools, led by Iman Omar,
formed the Tabiban which grew rapidly to control the country.
Using weapons supplied to "Freedom Fighters" by the CIA.
Those weapons were captured from CIA's corrupted warlords army.
Thanks for admitting that the Taliban was armed by the CIA.
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Love, Jim
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| User: "Yu" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
07 Nov 2004 09:37:06 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.06.06.08.35.814585@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:17:13 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.05.14.53.09.788829@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:21:45 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.04.05.13.23.37056@ms74.hinet.net>...
A group of young students from religious schools, led by Iman Omar,
formed the Tabiban which grew rapidly to control the country.
Using weapons supplied to "Freedom Fighters" by the CIA.
Those weapons were captured from CIA's corrupted warlords army.
Thanks for admitting that the Taliban was armed by the CIA.
You need to take lessonsfor English comprehension.
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| User: "Yu" |
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| Title: Re: Lying about the Dalai Lama |
02 Nov 2004 07:58:58 PM |
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Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.02.14.15.37.601698@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:55:52 -0800, LT Lee thought carefully and wrote:
Jim Walsh <jimwalsh@ms74.hinet.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.01.14.20.29.285028@ms74.hinet.net>...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:11:58 -0800, Yu thought carefully and wrote:
There are declassified CIA documents that say Dalai work for them.
No. There are no such documents. You are lying.
The DL got money from the CIA and gave them tacit approval to underwent
anti-China activities in Tibet. Of course, the DL was working for the
CIA.
The State Department gives lots of money to lots of people. It is a joke
to claim that the relationship in every case (or in any case) is
"employment".
US State Department provides cover for CIA activities overseas.
Most of these spies when cought claim diplomatic immunity. CIA
activities can't be separated from diplamatic activities.
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| User: "Jez" |
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29 Oct 2004 03:19:45 PM |
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Jim Walsh wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:35:02 +0100, Jez thought carefully and wrote:
Bill Moore wrote:
I doubt it. And if China weren't so repressive when it comes to
religious freedom it wouldn't be an issue.
But the religious leaders in Tibet were even more oppressive than the
Chinese.
Let's see how this argument works:
Hey guys, (A) the Tibetan religious leaders are oppressing the Tibetans,
so (B) let's over throw them and (C) forbid Tibetans from practicing their
religion.
If you are claiming that (A) is a logical or moral justification for (C),
you will need to provide the details of your argument.
As far as I can tell, (A) might be logically or morally related to (B),
but I don't see how it can justify (C).
One tyranny replaced by another.
Never a good thing.
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "PaPaPeng" |
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26 Oct 2004 05:39:49 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2004 13:59:57 -0600, (Bill Moore)
wrote:
BTW, the Dalai Lama announced long ago that he favored
democracy, not theocracy in Tibet.
So where does that leave him? No theocracy, no need for a DL in
Tibet.
No theocracy, no need for a bishop in Germany? See how that
logic falls apart?
Good point. I will like to see the HHDL fight on that issue. To seek
and encourage native Tibetans to agitate for his return as their
spiritual leader. Make it hard for China to say why they disagree. To
many Tibetans as well as to the rest of the world the HHDL has a
pretty good rep as a harmless saintly person for China to object to
such a request.
If native Tibetans are as oppressed as you believe so what is a little
more oppression suffered. At least to agitate for the return of the
HHDL is a doable thing. Tibetan Independence never will. To meet
your dreams for a Tibet distinct from Chinese influence once the HHDL
is re-instated he can take the next step to gain autonomy or whatever
will build Tibetan pride. One step at a time.
HHDL's age is against him though. He will have to start immediately.
If he wants to he can renounce his HHDL persona any minute and
qualify as a private person for a visa to visit Tibet anytime.
I doubt it. And if China weren't so repressive when it comes to
religious freedom it wouldn't be an issue.
The Tibetan lama structure is thriving in Tibet and there are more
recruits in the monasteries as ever. The Panchen Lama seems to
function undisturbed and accepted by the present Tibetan religious
community. No doubt after the HHDL dies the Chinese will insist on a
native Tibetan successor acceptable to them. However, once that is
accomplished the Chinese leave him-them alone so long as the new DL
doesn't stray outside religious matters or agitate in political
matters like Tibetan Independence or full autonomy.
That's religious freedom. If you want to use the Tibetan clergy to
lead your agenda about Tibetans deserving to be free to decide their
"country's" destiny, that is a political issue and you will have to
take what comes with that.
Any objective observer will see that the HHDL has an impossible task
ahead of him to convince native Tibetans to accept him and the exile
lama leadership as their leaders who will displace the ones that are
already in place, Chinese approved or not. I truly believe the HHDL
knows this too. In the little time he has left his strategy is to
keep playing the public relations card to win sympathy and more
important, to win funds, to ensure that his Tibetan exile community
thrives and is well off financially. That is a perfectly commendable
objective and I wish him all success.
The exile community in time may well become the font of Tibetan
modernization and ethnic pride. That's in the future and not our
concern now. At this moment the HHDL is doing all he can to perfect
that fund gathering machinery by maintaining a fine balance between
giving the idea that he really desires to return tio Tibet and, when
that gets too close to being possible, he says something that will
make it impossible for him to do so. The latest blurp is to accuse
China of nuclear waste pollution. China is perfectly willing to play
along and let things slide until the HHDL dies and the problem goes
away.
If you Bill and the others want to play the HHDL's game you are
welcome to do so. Everybody wins. If you think my analysis of the
situation is false there are a few books written by westerners who
have actually dedicated themselves to the HHDL for years to further
his crusade. Those books debunk the HHDL as a fraud. You may call
these books frauds too, that's your choice. But they exist and the
author's didn't lie.
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