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15 Nov 2006 04:29:16 AM |
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Damn..These niggers can sing. |
Ain't this something?
Ain't there fault there niggers.
I ain't holdin' it agin' em'
Least ways not this time.
Ain't never seen one that couldn't dance neither an' that's a good
thing ain't it?
I'm in the clear on that right?
Everbody's gotta be good at something.
Even a ***** *****.
Am I right or what?
*****!
*****, ***** and *****!!
And ***** again!
And again!
And again!
For them to have been treated in the way that they were :-(
Godfuckingdamn!
(Sorry...Sorry...Sorry...I'm just in a ***** mood and ***** you if
you don't like it).
Just shut up and watch and listen...and think about it.
Or don't.
I don't give a ***** either way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=58rgEdiPaa4
atheist@home#1554
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16 Nov 2006 09:44:43 AM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
news:jpoll21lp1bo0aa24gc7ugc0aqan49eo5g@4ax.com...
Ain't this something?
Ain't there fault there niggers.
I ain't holdin' it agin' em'
Least ways not this time.
Ain't never seen one that couldn't dance neither an' that's a good
thing ain't it?
I'm in the clear on that right?
Everbody's gotta be good at something.
Even a ***** *****.
Am I right or what?
*****!
*****, ***** and *****!!
And ***** again!
And again!
And again!
For them to have been treated in the way that they were :-(
Godfuckingdamn!
(Sorry...Sorry...Sorry...I'm just in a ***** mood and ***** you if
you don't like it).
Just shut up and watch and listen...and think about it.
Or don't.
I don't give a ***** either way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=58rgEdiPaa4
atheist@home#1554
Um, are you okay? :(
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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16 Nov 2006 06:40:06 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:44:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
news:jpoll21lp1bo0aa24gc7ugc0aqan49eo5g@4ax.com...
Ain't this something?
Ain't there fault there niggers.
I ain't holdin' it agin' em'
Least ways not this time.
Ain't never seen one that couldn't dance neither an' that's a good
thing ain't it?
I'm in the clear on that right?
Everbody's gotta be good at something.
Even a ***** *****.
Am I right or what?
*****!
*****, ***** and *****!!
And ***** again!
And again!
And again!
For them to have been treated in the way that they were :-(
Godfuckingdamn!
(Sorry...Sorry...Sorry...I'm just in a ***** mood and ***** you if
you don't like it).
Just shut up and watch and listen...and think about it.
Or don't.
I don't give a ***** either way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=58rgEdiPaa4
atheist@home#1554
Um, are you okay? :(
Better now.
I just hate racist crap.
The Platters along with other wonderfully talented people suffered all
sorts of indignities that some younger people can't relate to.
I grew up under Jim Crow and when somebody uses the term "*****" I
can get pretty angry.
Can you imagine the humiliation of a grown man being referred to as
"Boy" in the presence of his wife and kids?
Or to have to stand silent while his wife and kids are being
humiliated?
I don't know how many times as a kid I heard people talking about
blacks being lazy or immoral and then hear "Yeah, but I ain't never
seen one that couldn't dance."
That was supposed to be a compliment.
It was a terrible and shameful time.
I've had old friends say things I didn't expect and I guess I thought
this guy was in some sort of mood and his real side was coming out.
I should have known better.
It was very, very weird.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 Nov 2006 12:05:54 PM |
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I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
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15 Nov 2006 07:43:19 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
Nah, just a pissed rant.
The Platters have always been my favorite group and I sent the video
to a friend I have known for years who like me is something of a
musician.
I've never heard the guy so much as utter a racist comment or a curse
word in fact, but I was on the phone with him about the video and he
unloaded with some of the worst trash I've heard in years.
Obscene stuff about the female singer and black females in general
including underage girls.
He referred to my neighbor as that "black boy across the street" and
asked if I had ever "fucked" his daughters.
I've known these people for years and we are like family.
I was pretty well fuming when I got off the phone but later when I
calmed down I realized the whole thing was very much out of character
for him.
He's approaching his mid to late seventies and his mother died of
Alzheimers a few years ago.
I called him back today and he recalls getting the video and said it
brings back really fond memories but he doesn't remember our previous
conversation.
I'm glad he doesn't remember me going off on him and am embarrassed
that I didn't pick up on what may be happening on the front end.
His son is the only relative he has here and I haven't been able to
get in touch with him.
At any rate I hate racist garbage and sort of overreacted.
I was being cynical about how it used to be in the south during Jim
Crow.
Anyway I wish I had not posted it.
atheist@home#1554
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16 Nov 2006 09:49:53 AM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
Nah, just a pissed rant.
The Platters have always been my favorite group and I sent the video
to a friend I have known for years who like me is something of a
musician.
I've never heard the guy so much as utter a racist comment or a curse
word in fact, but I was on the phone with him about the video and he
unloaded with some of the worst trash I've heard in years.
Obscene stuff about the female singer and black females in general
including underage girls.
He referred to my neighbor as that "black boy across the street" and
asked if I had ever "fucked" his daughters.
I've known these people for years and we are like family.
I was pretty well fuming when I got off the phone but later when I
calmed down I realized the whole thing was very much out of character
for him.
He's approaching his mid to late seventies and his mother died of
Alzheimers a few years ago.
I called him back today and he recalls getting the video and said it
brings back really fond memories but he doesn't remember our previous
conversation.
I'm glad he doesn't remember me going off on him and am embarrassed
that I didn't pick up on what may be happening on the front end.
His son is the only relative he has here and I haven't been able to
get in touch with him.
At any rate I hate racist garbage and sort of overreacted.
I was being cynical about how it used to be in the south during Jim
Crow.
Anyway I wish I had not posted it.
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this. Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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16 Nov 2006 06:07:42 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:49:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
Nah, just a pissed rant.
The Platters have always been my favorite group and I sent the video
to a friend I have known for years who like me is something of a
musician.
I've never heard the guy so much as utter a racist comment or a curse
word in fact, but I was on the phone with him about the video and he
unloaded with some of the worst trash I've heard in years.
Obscene stuff about the female singer and black females in general
including underage girls.
He referred to my neighbor as that "black boy across the street" and
asked if I had ever "fucked" his daughters.
I've known these people for years and we are like family.
I was pretty well fuming when I got off the phone but later when I
calmed down I realized the whole thing was very much out of character
for him.
He's approaching his mid to late seventies and his mother died of
Alzheimers a few years ago.
I called him back today and he recalls getting the video and said it
brings back really fond memories but he doesn't remember our previous
conversation.
I'm glad he doesn't remember me going off on him and am embarrassed
that I didn't pick up on what may be happening on the front end.
His son is the only relative he has here and I haven't been able to
get in touch with him.
At any rate I hate racist garbage and sort of overreacted.
I was being cynical about how it used to be in the south during Jim
Crow.
Anyway I wish I had not posted it.
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this. Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
Its scary.
And extremely difficult to deal with.
Its one of the saddest things that can happen to a human being.
I had a great grandmother once who sat at the window in our house
nowhere near the Mississippi river and watched riverboats.
There were lots of times she thought she was a child again and she
once fell from a corner cabinet trying to climb up to the bed in the
attic that she slept in when she was a girl.
I'm hoping thats not what is happening to this guy but I'm afraid it
is.
Hang in there.
Do you think a support group might help you cope?
atheist@home#1554
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17 Nov 2006 02:20:53 PM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:49:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going
out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look
alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day
and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this.
Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
Its scary.
And extremely difficult to deal with.
Its one of the saddest things that can happen to a human being.
I had a great grandmother once who sat at the window in our house
nowhere near the Mississippi river and watched riverboats.
There were lots of times she thought she was a child again and she
once fell from a corner cabinet trying to climb up to the bed in the
attic that she slept in when she was a girl.
I'm hoping thats not what is happening to this guy but I'm afraid it
is.
Hang in there.
That's what I'm doing ;)
Do you think a support group might help you cope?
Probably - I'm not at the point where I'm really freaking out, but I have a
very short fuse for people trying to give me advice/telling me what to do
when they have NO clue as to what they're talking about. It's so easy for
people to bend your ear from another state, saying "WE should do this and WE
should do that", when you know that THEY aren't going to do *****. That's
where I lose it. It's all good and well for my mother's sister to call me
all the time and go on and on and on AND ON about what my mother should do,
medication, etc. Is she going to come up here and help me? Of course not.
I almost hung up the phone on her the last time she called.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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18 Nov 2006 02:13:53 PM |
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In article <4s6jkqFuhj09U1@mid.individual.net>,
witchypoo@broomstick.com says...
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
news:q2vpl2dvhntu433elu66o2t8joih7iun7n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:49:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going
out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look
alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day
and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this.
Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
Its scary.
And extremely difficult to deal with.
Its one of the saddest things that can happen to a human being.
I had a great grandmother once who sat at the window in our house
nowhere near the Mississippi river and watched riverboats.
There were lots of times she thought she was a child again and she
once fell from a corner cabinet trying to climb up to the bed in the
attic that she slept in when she was a girl.
I'm hoping thats not what is happening to this guy but I'm afraid it
is.
Hang in there.
That's what I'm doing ;)
Do you think a support group might help you cope?
Probably - I'm not at the point where I'm really freaking out, but I have a
very short fuse for people trying to give me advice/telling me what to do
when they have NO clue as to what they're talking about. It's so easy for
people to bend your ear from another state, saying "WE should do this and WE
should do that", when you know that THEY aren't going to do *****. That's
where I lose it. It's all good and well for my mother's sister to call me
all the time and go on and on and on AND ON about what my mother should do,
medication, etc. Is she going to come up here and help me? Of course not.
I almost hung up the phone on her the last time she called.
You could just lay it down and go do something interesting
while she babbles. It worked for me. The funny thing was that
I did it three times before my annoying caller noticed. Er, not
that I'm trying to tell you what to do, or giving advice, or
like that. Please, don't turn me into anything unnatural!
--
Siobhan - alt.atheism list #2201
hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net (Now a real address, if you ice
the alMayne.)
Just keep walking, preacher-man. --River Tam
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20 Nov 2006 02:48:36 PM |
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"Siobhan Burke" <hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fc93370a97df5239898c8@news.easynews.com...
In article <4s6jkqFuhj09U1@mid.individual.net>,
witchypoo@broomstick.com says...
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
news:q2vpl2dvhntu433elu66o2t8joih7iun7n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:49:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going
out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning
of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he
is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then
she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look
alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day
and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's
something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this.
Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem
with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished
I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't
remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
Its scary.
And extremely difficult to deal with.
Its one of the saddest things that can happen to a human being.
I had a great grandmother once who sat at the window in our house
nowhere near the Mississippi river and watched riverboats.
There were lots of times she thought she was a child again and she
once fell from a corner cabinet trying to climb up to the bed in the
attic that she slept in when she was a girl.
I'm hoping thats not what is happening to this guy but I'm afraid it
is.
Hang in there.
That's what I'm doing ;)
Do you think a support group might help you cope?
Probably - I'm not at the point where I'm really freaking out, but I have
a
very short fuse for people trying to give me advice/telling me what to do
when they have NO clue as to what they're talking about. It's so easy
for
people to bend your ear from another state, saying "WE should do this and
WE
should do that", when you know that THEY aren't going to do *****. That's
where I lose it. It's all good and well for my mother's sister to call
me
all the time and go on and on and on AND ON about what my mother should
do,
medication, etc. Is she going to come up here and help me? Of course
not.
I almost hung up the phone on her the last time she called.
You could just lay it down and go do something interesting
while she babbles. It worked for me.
LOL! No, she notices if you don't go "uh huh" at the end of her every
sentence :)
The funny thing was that
I did it three times before my annoying caller noticed. Er, not
that I'm trying to tell you what to do, or giving advice, or
like that. Please, don't turn me into anything unnatural!
Heehee - No problem ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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17 Nov 2006 07:53:01 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:20:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
news:q2vpl2dvhntu433elu66o2t8joih7iun7n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:49:53 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going
out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look
alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day
and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this.
Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
Its scary.
And extremely difficult to deal with.
Its one of the saddest things that can happen to a human being.
I had a great grandmother once who sat at the window in our house
nowhere near the Mississippi river and watched riverboats.
There were lots of times she thought she was a child again and she
once fell from a corner cabinet trying to climb up to the bed in the
attic that she slept in when she was a girl.
I'm hoping thats not what is happening to this guy but I'm afraid it
is.
Hang in there.
That's what I'm doing ;)
Do you think a support group might help you cope?
Probably - I'm not at the point where I'm really freaking out, but I have a
very short fuse for people trying to give me advice/telling me what to do
when they have NO clue as to what they're talking about. It's so easy for
people to bend your ear from another state, saying "WE should do this and WE
should do that", when you know that THEY aren't going to do *****. That's
where I lose it. It's all good and well for my mother's sister to call me
all the time and go on and on and on AND ON about what my mother should do,
medication, etc. Is she going to come up here and help me? Of course not.
I almost hung up the phone on her the last time she called.
<sigh>
I've seen that before.
People who aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis can't really
get a true picture of the difficulties sometimes.
My step daughter Ashley's mom is a shrink, her father is in the early
stages and living with her but thinks he's staying there because his
daughter is sick.
He's said some very hurtful things and raised his voice in saying them
which is something he has never, ever done before.
The behavior can be so different than anything people who know the
victims has ever seen in them that it can become very confusing and
can overwhelm even a psychologist son or daughter.
The victims can also wander off, a thing I've seen happen quite a lot
and making a house safe for them can be a nightmare.
I know you are reading up on it and I'll be thinking about you.
Its a tough row to ***** :-(
atheist@home#1554
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21 Nov 2006 10:14:30 AM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote snip
<sigh>
I've seen that before.
People who aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis can't really
get a true picture of the difficulties sometimes.
My step daughter Ashley's mom is a shrink, her father is in the early
stages and living with her but thinks he's staying there because his
daughter is sick.
He's said some very hurtful things and raised his voice in saying them
which is something he has never, ever done before.
The behavior can be so different than anything people who know the
victims has ever seen in them that it can become very confusing and
can overwhelm even a psychologist son or daughter.
The victims can also wander off, a thing I've seen happen quite a lot
and making a house safe for them can be a nightmare.
I know you are reading up on it and I'll be thinking about you.
Its a tough row to ***** :-(
Yeah, I know. It's sounds awful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that,
for whatever reason, she passes peacefully before this gets too terrible. I
remember how it was with her father and I'd hate to go through all that
again. However, I probably won't have a choice. Oh well. Life's not
supposed to be easy, right? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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21 Nov 2006 03:40:07 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:14:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote snip
<sigh>
I've seen that before.
People who aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis can't really
get a true picture of the difficulties sometimes.
My step daughter Ashley's mom is a shrink, her father is in the early
stages and living with her but thinks he's staying there because his
daughter is sick.
He's said some very hurtful things and raised his voice in saying them
which is something he has never, ever done before.
The behavior can be so different than anything people who know the
victims has ever seen in them that it can become very confusing and
can overwhelm even a psychologist son or daughter.
The victims can also wander off, a thing I've seen happen quite a lot
and making a house safe for them can be a nightmare.
I know you are reading up on it and I'll be thinking about you.
Its a tough row to ***** :-(
Yeah, I know. It's sounds awful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that,
for whatever reason, she passes peacefully before this gets too terrible.
Doesn't sound awful.
Both the friend whose rant upset me and another whose mom died a
couple of years ago loved their mothers but were relieved when it was
over because of the indignities involved in the disease and not
because of the difficulties in caring for the patient.
I think for many of us losing control of our minds is the worst that
can happen.
And we hate to see it happen to anybody else, especially to people we
love.
They can become strangers to us and that's pretty upsetting.
And knowing that it's the disease doesn't always help us emotionally.
I remember how it was with her father and I'd hate to go through all that
again. However, I probably won't have a choice. Oh well. Life's not
supposed to be easy, right? ;)
It seldom is.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what we know or what we think we know.
When we find ourselves faced with certain circumstances we end up
winging it.
It's sort of like flying an airplane by the seat of our pants, making
constant corrections for altitude and heading.
Its the emotions that get in the way and sometimes we are fortunate if
life is merely bearable.
Sad and spooky stuff :-(
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:14:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote snip
<sigh>
I've seen that before.
People who aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis can't really
get a true picture of the difficulties sometimes.
My step daughter Ashley's mom is a shrink, her father is in the early
stages and living with her but thinks he's staying there because his
daughter is sick.
He's said some very hurtful things and raised his voice in saying them
which is something he has never, ever done before.
The behavior can be so different than anything people who know the
victims has ever seen in them that it can become very confusing and
can overwhelm even a psychologist son or daughter.
The victims can also wander off, a thing I've seen happen quite a lot
and making a house safe for them can be a nightmare.
I know you are reading up on it and I'll be thinking about you.
Its a tough row to ***** :-(
Yeah, I know. It's sounds awful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that,
for whatever reason, she passes peacefully before this gets too terrible.
Doesn't sound awful.
Both the friend whose rant upset me and another whose mom died a
couple of years ago loved their mothers but were relieved when it was
over because of the indignities involved in the disease and not
because of the difficulties in caring for the patient.
Yes, we were all relieved when my mom's dad passed. It was like "Thank
goodness that's finally over".
I think for many of us losing control of our minds is the worst that
can happen.
And we hate to see it happen to anybody else, especially to people we
love.
They can become strangers to us and that's pretty upsetting.
And knowing that it's the disease doesn't always help us emotionally.
I just dread having to go through all what needs to be done as far as
getting her into an assisted living facility. She's not stupid - She
definitely knows what's happening to her. Unfortunately, she's refusing to
do anything about it (i.e., doctors, medicine, etc.). She's going to be
extremely difficult to deal with. I've already gone behind her back and let
her financial manager know what's going on. I also need to get in touch
with her attorney, etc.
I remember how it was with her father and I'd hate to go through all that
again. However, I probably won't have a choice. Oh well. Life's not
supposed to be easy, right? ;)
It seldom is.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what we know or what we think we know.
When we find ourselves faced with certain circumstances we end up
winging it.
It's sort of like flying an airplane by the seat of our pants, making
constant corrections for altitude and heading.
Its the emotions that get in the way and sometimes we are fortunate if
life is merely bearable.
Indeed. People often say this about children, but it also applies to aging
parents - They don't come with instruction manuals either ;)
Sad and spooky stuff :-(
True, but I'll get through it :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:13:26 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:14:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote snip
<sigh>
I've seen that before.
People who aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis can't really
get a true picture of the difficulties sometimes.
My step daughter Ashley's mom is a shrink, her father is in the early
stages and living with her but thinks he's staying there because his
daughter is sick.
He's said some very hurtful things and raised his voice in saying them
which is something he has never, ever done before.
The behavior can be so different than anything people who know the
victims has ever seen in them that it can become very confusing and
can overwhelm even a psychologist son or daughter.
The victims can also wander off, a thing I've seen happen quite a lot
and making a house safe for them can be a nightmare.
I know you are reading up on it and I'll be thinking about you.
Its a tough row to ***** :-(
Yeah, I know. It's sounds awful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that,
for whatever reason, she passes peacefully before this gets too terrible.
Doesn't sound awful.
Both the friend whose rant upset me and another whose mom died a
couple of years ago loved their mothers but were relieved when it was
over because of the indignities involved in the disease and not
because of the difficulties in caring for the patient.
Yes, we were all relieved when my mom's dad passed. It was like "Thank
goodness that's finally over".
Very common.
I think for many of us losing control of our minds is the worst that
can happen.
And we hate to see it happen to anybody else, especially to people we
love.
They can become strangers to us and that's pretty upsetting.
And knowing that it's the disease doesn't always help us emotionally.
I just dread having to go through all what needs to be done as far as
getting her into an assisted living facility. She's not stupid - She
definitely knows what's happening to her. Unfortunately, she's refusing to
do anything about it (i.e., doctors, medicine, etc.). She's going to be
extremely difficult to deal with. I've already gone behind her back and let
her financial manager know what's going on. I also need to get in touch
with her attorney, etc.
Things have to be done.
And in order to do them other things have to be set aside.
The emotions most importantly I think.
Sometimes its not a matter of choice.
Ashley's mom, the psychologist is having a hell of a time doing what
she knows she needs to do because of her father's condition.
It may sound cold blooded but she is weakening herself by wrestling
with the obvious.
I spent most of my adult life in emergency services so things can be
sort of automatic with me.
I know I can deal with the emotional aspects of a situation later.
I suspect you are going to do fine as well.
I remember how it was with her father and I'd hate to go through all that
again. However, I probably won't have a choice. Oh well. Life's not
supposed to be easy, right? ;)
It seldom is.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what we know or what we think we know.
When we find ourselves faced with certain circumstances we end up
winging it.
It's sort of like flying an airplane by the seat of our pants, making
constant corrections for altitude and heading.
Its the emotions that get in the way and sometimes we are fortunate if
life is merely bearable.
Indeed. People often say this about children, but it also applies to aging
parents - They don't come with instruction manuals either ;)
Sad and spooky stuff :-(
True, but I'll get through it :)
Yes, I believe you will.
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:13:26 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Yes, we were all relieved when my mom's dad passed. It was like "Thank
goodness that's finally over".
Very common.
I think for many of us losing control of our minds is the worst that
can happen.
And we hate to see it happen to anybody else, especially to people we
love.
They can become strangers to us and that's pretty upsetting.
And knowing that it's the disease doesn't always help us emotionally.
I just dread having to go through all what needs to be done as far as
getting her into an assisted living facility. She's not stupid - She
definitely knows what's happening to her. Unfortunately, she's refusing
to
do anything about it (i.e., doctors, medicine, etc.). She's going to be
extremely difficult to deal with. I've already gone behind her back and
let
her financial manager know what's going on. I also need to get in touch
with her attorney, etc.
Things have to be done.
And in order to do them other things have to be set aside.
That's the problem - I have NO desire to put my family or personal life
aside.
The emotions most importantly I think.
LOL - Don't worry. That's not a problem.
Sometimes its not a matter of choice.
Ashley's mom, the psychologist is having a hell of a time doing what
she knows she needs to do because of her father's condition.
It may sound cold blooded but she is weakening herself by wrestling
with the obvious.
I spent most of my adult life in emergency services so things can be
sort of automatic with me.
I know I can deal with the emotional aspects of a situation later.
I suspect you are going to do fine as well.
I hope so.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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21 Nov 2006 04:26:32 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
Nah, just a pissed rant.
The Platters have always been my favorite group and I sent the video
to a friend I have known for years who like me is something of a
musician.
I've never heard the guy so much as utter a racist comment or a curse
word in fact, but I was on the phone with him about the video and he
unloaded with some of the worst trash I've heard in years.
Obscene stuff about the female singer and black females in general
including underage girls.
He referred to my neighbor as that "black boy across the street" and
asked if I had ever "fucked" his daughters.
I've known these people for years and we are like family.
I was pretty well fuming when I got off the phone but later when I
calmed down I realized the whole thing was very much out of character
for him.
He's approaching his mid to late seventies and his mother died of
Alzheimers a few years ago.
I called him back today and he recalls getting the video and said it
brings back really fond memories but he doesn't remember our previous
conversation.
I'm glad he doesn't remember me going off on him and am embarrassed
that I didn't pick up on what may be happening on the front end.
His son is the only relative he has here and I haven't been able to
get in touch with him.
At any rate I hate racist garbage and sort of overreacted.
I was being cynical about how it used to be in the south during Jim
Crow.
Anyway I wish I had not posted it.
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this. Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
I've just spent three years taking care of my Mom, who had rapidly
advancing Alzheimer's (she died about a year ago). Both my Grandmothers
had it, and I recognized early on that she was getting it too, so I had
her live with me. I think there are phases they go through, the first
one is fear, then comes the anger and paranoia. By the time the full
fledged anger comes they don't know that there's anything wrong with
them. My Mom, all 92 pounds of her, pulled a kitchen knife in me three
different times because I didn't understand what she was telling me. I
wasn't mean to her, why would I be, but when she would say something
like "I left my arm in the sink" and I would say "Pardon?" she would
fly into a rage. It was something wrong with me, not her. Even my Dad's
mother, one of the sweetest people I've ever known, went through this
stage. The next phase is kinda funny if it weren't so sad. It's the
uninhibited craziness phase. My Mom's mother I actually liked the most
when she reached this state. She liked to dress inside out, with her
underwear on the outside, and finally had a sense of humour. She once
managed to get out of the house, catch a taxi to the airport, and fly
to Vancouver Island. We had no idea where she was until the airport
called asking if we knew her. Thankfully I had the health care unit
coming in every day to look after my own Mom and monitor her while I
was at work. I am grateful for our nationalized health care. When they
told me it was time for a rest home, I put her in there for the final
phase. The final phase is a fey dreamlike state, and very childlike,
and totally removed from reality. When I see these little old ladies
stumbling around all alone in my neighbourhood I get really choked up
these days.
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
snip
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going
out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he
is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look
alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day
and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's
something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this.
Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
I've just spent three years taking care of my Mom, who had rapidly
advancing Alzheimer's (she died about a year ago). Both my Grandmothers
had it, and I recognized early on that she was getting it too, so I had
her live with me. I think there are phases they go through, the first
one is fear, then comes the anger and paranoia. By the time the full
fledged anger comes they don't know that there's anything wrong with
them. My Mom, all 92 pounds of her, pulled a kitchen knife in me three
different times because I didn't understand what she was telling me. I
wasn't mean to her, why would I be, but when she would say something
like "I left my arm in the sink" and I would say "Pardon?" she would
fly into a rage. It was something wrong with me, not her. Even my Dad's
mother, one of the sweetest people I've ever known, went through this
stage. The next phase is kinda funny if it weren't so sad. It's the
uninhibited craziness phase. My Mom's mother I actually liked the most
when she reached this state. She liked to dress inside out, with her
underwear on the outside, and finally had a sense of humour. She once
managed to get out of the house, catch a taxi to the airport, and fly
to Vancouver Island. We had no idea where she was until the airport
called asking if we knew her. Thankfully I had the health care unit
coming in every day to look after my own Mom and monitor her while I
was at work. I am grateful for our nationalized health care. When they
told me it was time for a rest home, I put her in there for the final
phase. The final phase is a fey dreamlike state, and very childlike,
and totally removed from reality. When I see these little old ladies
stumbling around all alone in my neighbourhood I get really choked up
these days.
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry you went through all that. Scares me a bit as I
know that's what I'll be going through myself. I remember some of that with
my grandfather, though his Alzheimer's started when I was pretty young. He
went into the nursing home when I was 12 and died when I was 16. My mom's
already got a bit of the anger, fear and paranoia going on. The hardest
thing for me at this point is to constantly bite my tongue and go "Uh huh,
oh really?", etc. when she tells me the same thing that she's told me 100
times already. If I reply "Yes, mom. I know", she gets *****. Oh
well :/
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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22 Nov 2006 09:40:51 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2006 14:26:32 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I thought this would be a quote from Blazing Saddles.
Nah, just a pissed rant.
The Platters have always been my favorite group and I sent the video
to a friend I have known for years who like me is something of a
musician.
I've never heard the guy so much as utter a racist comment or a curse
word in fact, but I was on the phone with him about the video and he
unloaded with some of the worst trash I've heard in years.
Obscene stuff about the female singer and black females in general
including underage girls.
He referred to my neighbor as that "black boy across the street" and
asked if I had ever "fucked" his daughters.
I've known these people for years and we are like family.
I was pretty well fuming when I got off the phone but later when I
calmed down I realized the whole thing was very much out of character
for him.
He's approaching his mid to late seventies and his mother died of
Alzheimers a few years ago.
I called him back today and he recalls getting the video and said it
brings back really fond memories but he doesn't remember our previous
conversation.
I'm glad he doesn't remember me going off on him and am embarrassed
that I didn't pick up on what may be happening on the front end.
His son is the only relative he has here and I haven't been able to
get in touch with him.
At any rate I hate racist garbage and sort of overreacted.
I was being cynical about how it used to be in the south during Jim
Crow.
Anyway I wish I had not posted it.
Hey, don't worry about it. I'm just glad to know that YOU'RE not going out
of YOUR mind. It definitely sounds like your friend has the beginning of
Alzheimers. I've been dealing with that in my mother. It's not easy.
She's been seeing this gentleman since May and keeps forgetting who he is!
I guess that's one way to keep a relationship alive <sigh> And then she
thinks there are like 6 of them and they all have the same name, look alike
etc., etc. It's EXTREMELY frustrating. I lost it on her the other day and
told her that there are NOT 6 of them, there's only one, there's something
wrong with her memory and I need to get her to a doctor for this. Needless
to say, she freaked out, said it was everyone else who had a problem with
their memory and basically hung up on me. I felt terrible and wished I'd
kept my mouth shut, but then realized that she probably wouldn't remember
that we'd even had the conversation by the next day anyway.
I've just spent three years taking care of my Mom, who had rapidly
advancing Alzheimer's (she died about a year ago). Both my Grandmothers
had it, and I recognized early on that she was getting it too, so I had
her live with me. I think there are phases they go through, the first
one is fear, then comes the anger and paranoia. By the time the full
fledged anger comes they don't know that there's anything wrong with
them. My Mom, all 92 pounds of her, pulled a kitchen knife in me three
different times because I didn't understand what she was telling me. I
wasn't mean to her, why would I be, but when she would say something
like "I left my arm in the sink" and I would say "Pardon?" she would
fly into a rage. It was something wrong with me, not her. Even my Dad's
mother, one of the sweetest people I've ever known, went through this
stage. The next phase is kinda funny if it weren't so sad. It's the
uninhibited craziness phase. My Mom's mother I actually liked the most
when she reached this state. She liked to dress inside out, with her
underwear on the outside, and finally had a sense of humour. She once
managed to get out of the house, catch a taxi to the airport, and fly
to Vancouver Island. We had no idea where she was until the airport
called asking if we knew her. Thankfully I had the health care unit
coming in every day to look after my own Mom and monitor her while I
was at work. I am grateful for our nationalized health care. When they
told me it was time for a rest home, I put her in there for the final
phase. The final phase is a fey dreamlike state, and very childlike,
and totally removed from reality. When I see these little old ladies
stumbling around all alone in my neighbourhood I get really choked up
these days.
I think for some children of those afflicted one of the most difficult
things is facing the fact that mom or dad doesn't recognize them
anymore.
My great grandmother didn't know any of us toward the end.
But somehow thankfully she retained the better part of her nature.
atheist@home#1554
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24 Nov 2006 05:04:24 AM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On 21 Nov 2006 14:26:32 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
snip
I've just spent three years taking care of my Mom, who had rapidly
advancing Alzheimer's (she died about a year ago). Both my Grandmothers
had it, and I recognized early on that she was getting it too, so I had
her live with me. I think there are phases they go through, the first
one is fear, then comes the anger and paranoia. By the time the full
fledged anger comes they don't know that there's anything wrong with
them. My Mom, all 92 pounds of her, pulled a kitchen knife in me three
different times because I didn't understand what she was telling me. I
wasn't mean to her, why would I be, but when she would say something
like "I left my arm in the sink" and I would say "Pardon?" she would
fly into a rage. It was something wrong with me, not her. Even my Dad's
mother, one of the sweetest people I've ever known, went through this
stage. The next phase is kinda funny if it weren't so sad. It's the
uninhibited craziness phase. My Mom's mother I actually liked the most
when she reached this state. She liked to dress inside out, with her
underwear on the outside, and finally had a sense of humour. She once
managed to get out of the house, catch a taxi to the airport, and fly
to Vancouver Island. We had no idea where she was until the airport
called asking if we knew her. Thankfully I had the health care unit
coming in every day to look after my own Mom and monitor her while I
was at work. I am grateful for our nationalized health care. When they
told me it was time for a rest home, I put her in there for the final
phase. The final phase is a fey dreamlike state, and very childlike,
and totally removed from reality. When I see these little old ladies
stumbling around all alone in my neighbourhood I get really choked up
these days.
I think for some children of those afflicted one of the most difficult
things is facing the fact that mom or dad doesn't recognize them
anymore.
My great grandmother didn't know any of us toward the end.
But somehow thankfully she retained the better part of her nature.
Unfortuantely, one of the major factors in my dilemma, is, well, to be
absolutely blunt - I can't stand my mother. We haven't had a good
relationship since I was a child. Once I became a teenager and started
becoming my own person, she became extremely vocal about how much she
disliked SO many things about me, ranging from my short hair, my wiseass
personality, the clothing I wore, to the fact that my main goal in life
wasn't to get married at age 22 and have 5 kids. A lot of it has to do with
the fact that I'm adopted and her utter frustration that I didn't turn out
the way SHE wanted (I mean, she raised me, how could I NOT grow up to become
her clone?). I got awfully tired of being critized and also for feeling
guilty that I wasn't what she wanted. It wasn't until I got into my 30s
that I finally said, "***** this *****. This is the way I am and I really
like myself. If you don't, tough *****". And now, I'm stuck with her.
Obviously this is far from an ideal situation. All I want is to be free.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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24 Nov 2006 10:37:35 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:04:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On 21 Nov 2006 14:26:32 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
snip
I've just spent three years taking care of my Mom, who had rapidly
advancing Alzheimer's (she died about a year ago). Both my Grandmothers
had it, and I recognized early on that she was getting it too, so I had
her live with me. I think there are phases they go through, the first
one is fear, then comes the anger and paranoia. By the time the full
fledged anger comes they don't know that there's anything wrong with
them. My Mom, all 92 pounds of her, pulled a kitchen knife in me three
different times because I didn't understand what she was telling me. I
wasn't mean to her, why would I be, but when she would say something
like "I left my arm in the sink" and I would say "Pardon?" she would
fly into a rage. It was something wrong with me, not her. Even my Dad's
mother, one of the sweetest people I've ever known, went through this
stage. The next phase is kinda funny if it weren't so sad. It's the
uninhibited craziness phase. My Mom's mother I actually liked the most
when she reached this state. She liked to dress inside out, with her
underwear on the outside, and finally had a sense of humour. She once
managed to get out of the house, catch a taxi to the airport, and fly
to Vancouver Island. We had no idea where she was until the airport
called asking if we knew her. Thankfully I had the health care unit
coming in every day to look after my own Mom and monitor her while I
was at work. I am grateful for our nationalized health care. When they
told me it was time for a rest home, I put her in there for the final
phase. The final phase is a fey dreamlike state, and very childlike,
and totally removed from reality. When I see these little old ladies
stumbling around all alone in my neighbourhood I get really choked up
these days.
I think for some children of those afflicted one of the most difficult
things is facing the fact that mom or dad doesn't recognize them
anymore.
My great grandmother didn't know any of us toward the end.
But somehow thankfully she retained the better part of her nature.
Unfortuantely, one of the major factors in my dilemma, is, well, to be
absolutely blunt - I can't stand my mother. We haven't had a good
relationship since I was a child. Once I became a teenager and started
becoming my own person, she became extremely vocal about how much she
disliked SO many things about me, ranging from my short hair, my wiseass
personality, the clothing I wore, to the fact that my main goal in life
wasn't to get married at age 22 and have 5 kids. A lot of it has to do with
the fact that I'm adopted and her utter frustration that I didn't turn out
the way SHE wanted (I mean, she raised me, how could I NOT grow up to become
her clone?). I got awfully tired of being critized and also for feeling
guilty that I wasn't what she wanted. It wasn't until I got into my 30s
that I finally said, "***** this *****. This is the way I am and I really
like myself. If you don't, tough *****". And now, I'm stuck with her.
I remember some of your situation with your mother from previous
discussions.
My mother and I don't like one another very much either.
I haven't talked to her in quite a while because I refuse to allow her
to take charge of my emotions or my life which is a thing she believes
she has a right to do with everybody.
She's selfish and mean as hell and life is complicated enough without
letting her add to the difficulities.
I remember at some point in my late teens when I realized she wasn't
God, just another human being and not one that I would not choose to
be friends with.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
I have thought in the past what I would do if she reaches a point at
which she needs care around the clock.
She can't live with me so her options are limited.
She made choices that I am not responsible for.
She could have chosen to have a warm and loving relationship with her
children but she chose just the opposite.
My poor sisters are caught up in the idea that somehow because she is
their mother they are required to take her abuse, she knows that and
uses it to her advantage.
In most societies if we admit we don't have loving emotions for our
mother we are condemned for it.
But the condemnation usually comes from people who don't have to deal
with them in the way that we do.
It doesn't bother me to feel the way that I do.
Yet I feel a need to apoligize for it.
Society demands it.
But they can kiss my arse because I won't.
Obviously this is far from an ideal situation. All I want is to be free.
I understand.
And to be free you will have to make decisions that others may not
understand or agree with.
I hope you don't let anybody play on your emotions and lay on a guilt
trip that you do not deserve.
You have a family and a good life to live and you shouldn't let
anybody screw it up.
Anybody at all.
I know it sounds harsh but thats just the way it is.
I know that seems like an easy thing for me to say because I won't
have to suffer the consequences of your decisions but I learned the
hard way.
We have to be a bit selfish ourselves sometimes just to survive.
And it isn't always easy to be selfish.
I don't really doubt that you will do the right things.
And I'll be here if you need to ***** about it all :-)
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:04:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Unfortuantely, one of the major factors in my dilemma, is, well, to be
absolutely blunt - I can't stand my mother. We haven't had a good
relationship since I was a child. Once I became a teenager and started
becoming my own person, she became extremely vocal about how much she
disliked SO many things about me, ranging from my short hair, my wiseass
personality, the clothing I wore, to the fact that my main goal in life
wasn't to get married at age 22 and have 5 kids. A lot of it has to do
with
the fact that I'm adopted and her utter frustration that I didn't turn out
the way SHE wanted (I mean, she raised me, how could I NOT grow up to
become
her clone?). I got awfully tired of being critized and also for feeling
guilty that I wasn't what she wanted. It wasn't until I got into my 30s
that I finally said, "***** this *****. This is the way I am and I really
like myself. If you don't, tough *****". And now, I'm stuck with her.
I remember some of your situation with your mother from previous
discussions.
My mother and I don't like one another very much either.
I haven't talked to her in quite a while because I refuse to allow her
to take charge of my emotions or my life which is a thing she believes
she has a right to do with everybody.
Unfortunately, I don't have that option - I HAVE to call her EVERY DAY. If
I don't, she calls me all freaked out. And then I recently found out that
she
"complained" to one of her friends that I treat her like a child and "check
up on her" every day. I was SO pissed! If I had my way, I'll call her once
a month!
She's selfish and mean as hell and life is complicated enough without
letting her add to the difficulities.
I remember at some point in my late teens when I realized she wasn't
God, just another human being and not one that I would not choose to
be friends with.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
I have hated my mother in the past - but, now that's just changed into utter
annoyance.
I have thought in the past what I would do if she reaches a point at
which she needs care around the clock.
She can't live with me so her options are limited.
LOL - Exactly. My MIL once said to me "Perhaps your mother could come live
with you?" My response: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?!?!?!?"
She made choices that I am not responsible for.
She could have chosen to have a warm and loving relationship with her
children but she chose just the opposite.
My poor sisters are caught up in the idea that somehow because she is
their mother they are required to take her abuse, she knows that and
uses it to her advantage.
In most societies if we admit we don't have loving emotions for our
mother we are condemned for it.
But the condemnation usually comes from people who don't have to deal
with them in the way that we do.
It doesn't bother me to feel the way that I do.
Yet I feel a need to apoligize for it.
Society demands it.
But they can kiss my arse because I won't.
LOL - I heae you.
Obviously this is far from an ideal situation. All I want is to be free.
I understand.
And to be free you will have to make decisions that others may not
understand or agree with.
I hope you don't let anybody play on your emotions and lay on a guilt
trip that you do not deserve.
You have a family and a good life to live and you shouldn't let
anybody screw it up.
Anybody at all.
I know it sounds harsh but thats just the way it is.
I know that seems like an easy thing for me to say because I won't
have to suffer the consequences of your decisions but I learned the
hard way.
We have to be a bit selfish ourselves sometimes just to survive.
And it isn't always easy to be selfish.
I don't really doubt that you will do the right things.
And I'll be here if you need to ***** about it all :-)
LOL - Hon, all I keep hoping for is that she dies before I have to put her
in a nursing home. That's a battle I don't need ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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26 Nov 2006 01:00:57 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:05:08 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:04:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Unfortuantely, one of the major factors in my dilemma, is, well, to be
absolutely blunt - I can't stand my mother. We haven't had a good
relationship since I was a child. Once I became a teenager and started
becoming my own person, she became extremely vocal about how much she
disliked SO many things about me, ranging from my short hair, my wiseass
personality, the clothing I wore, to the fact that my main goal in life
wasn't to get married at age 22 and have 5 kids. A lot of it has to do
with
the fact that I'm adopted and her utter frustration that I didn't turn out
the way SHE wanted (I mean, she raised me, how could I NOT grow up to
become
her clone?). I got awfully tired of being critized and also for feeling
guilty that I wasn't what she wanted. It wasn't until I got into my 30s
that I finally said, "***** this *****. This is the way I am and I really
like myself. If you don't, tough *****". And now, I'm stuck with her.
I remember some of your situation with your mother from previous
discussions.
My mother and I don't like one another very much either.
I haven't talked to her in quite a while because I refuse to allow her
to take charge of my emotions or my life which is a thing she believes
she has a right to do with everybody.
Unfortunately, I don't have that option - I HAVE to call her EVERY DAY. If
I don't, she calls me all freaked out. And then I recently found out that
she
"complained" to one of her friends that I treat her like a child and "check
up on her" every day. I was SO pissed! If I had my way, I'll call her once
a month!
My psychologist friend's father also complains that he's tired of
being treated like a child.
Problem is half the time he can't do much of anything for himself.
Can't shave with a toothbrush.
He was over for Thanksgiving dinner and I agreed to take him home
later so his daughter could get some rest.
He has a very interesting military history, was a friend of Bob Hope
and is a really nice and intelligent guy.
He likes to talk, needs somebody to talk to and I'll be taking him for
coffee and such as long as I can handle it.
I knew him years ago and its heartbreaking to see this damnable thing
happening to him.
She's selfish and mean as hell and life is complicated enough without
letting her add to the difficulities.
I remember at some point in my late teens when I realized she wasn't
God, just another human being and not one that I would not choose to
be friends with.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
I have hated my mother in the past - but, now that's just changed into utter
annoyance.
I know the feeling but I'm not even annoyed with mine anymore.
The last time I talked to her she hung up on me because I mentioned
Brianna, (You may remember the situation with her) and I haven't
talked to her since.
She's moved to Alabama to be near her sisters and they are seeing a
side of her they weren't familiar with.
She even got my two nephews (Her grandsons) involved in a shady deal
that could have got them sent to prison.
Her sister's thought she had lost her mind and had to be told she has
always been that way.
I have thought in the past what I would do if she reaches a point at
which she needs care around the clock.
She can't live with me so her options are limited.
LOL - Exactly. My MIL once said to me "Perhaps your mother could come live
with you?" My response: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?!?!?!?"
Lol!
Sounds like the proper response.
I'm afraid my sisters are eventually going to get saddled with mine
and I can promise it will ruin their lives.
For a while I felt sorry for her because of the things she could have
had but missed.
But again, she made her choices and has nobody to blame but herself.
It all sounds pretty cold blooded doesn't it?
But this is a woman who once went federal with a very shady, hell
probably illegal deal, got my sister involved and I had to explain to
her that the feds wouldn't buy that "Just a poor old wider woman"
routine if she got caught.
(She isn't a widow any damned way but uses it a lot).
Years ago she kept threatening to cut me out of her will and I had to
tell her that she was the only person I knew who was coming back for
her stuff and I didn't want anything to do with it.
Phew...what a thought.
Waking up to the sound of chains dragging along the floor while her
ghost rummages through my house looking for her ill gotten gains.
<shivers>
Sad thing is when we were kids she was sort of as a good a mother as
she could be given the circumstances.
Didn't last long though and then the screaming and beatings started.
But that short period of being the good mother is the thing thats
going to cause me grief when she dies.
She made choices that I am not responsible for.
She could have chosen to have a warm and loving relationship with her
children but she chose just the opposite.
My poor sisters are caught up in the idea that somehow because she is
their mother they are required to take her abuse, she knows that and
uses it to her advantage.
In most societies if we admit we don't have loving emotions for our
mother we are condemned for it.
But the condemnation usually comes from people who don't have to deal
with them in the way that we do.
It doesn't bother me to feel the way that I do.
Yet I feel a need to apoligize for it.
Society demands it.
But they can kiss my arse because I won't.
LOL - I heae you.
Obviously this is far from an ideal situation. All I want is to be free.
I understand.
And to be free you will have to make decisions that others may not
understand or agree with.
I hope you don't let anybody play on your emotions and lay on a guilt
trip that you do not deserve.
You have a family and a good life to live and you shouldn't let
anybody screw it up.
Anybody at all.
I know it sounds harsh but thats just the way it is.
I know that seems like an easy thing for me to say because I won't
have to suffer the consequences of your decisions but I learned the
hard way.
We have to be a bit selfish ourselves sometimes just to survive.
And it isn't always easy to be selfish.
I don't really doubt that you will do the right things.
And I'll be here if you need to ***** about it all :-)
LOL - Hon, all I keep hoping for is that she dies before I have to put her
in a nursing home. That's a battle I don't need ;)
But you will win if it comes.
Just keep thinking "Family first." :-)
atheist@home#1554
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26 Nov 2006 05:38:45 PM |
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<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
snp
My psychologist friend's father also complains that he's tired of
being treated like a child.
Problem is half the time he can't do much of anything for himself.
Can't shave with a toothbrush.
He was over for Thanksgiving dinner and I agreed to take him home
later so his daughter could get some rest.
He has a very interesting military history, was a friend of Bob Hope
and is a really nice and intelligent guy.
He likes to talk, needs somebody to talk to and I'll be taking him for
coffee and such as long as I can handle it.
I knew him years ago and its heartbreaking to see this damnable thing
happening to him.
It is awful to watch - I felt so bad for my dad, watching him go down hill
the way he did. About 2 month after he died, my mom decided to spill the
beans about what a cheating ***** he'd been throughout their entire marriage.
Good thing I didn't know about that until after he'd died.
She's selfish and mean as hell and life is complicated enough without
letting her add to the difficulities.
I remember at some point in my late teens when I realized she wasn't
God, just another human being and not one that I would not choose to
be friends with.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
I have hated my mother in the past - but, now that's just changed into
utter
annoyance.
I know the feeling but I'm not even annoyed with mine anymore.
If she lost the power of speech, I might feel the same ;)
The last time I talked to her she hung up on me because I mentioned
Brianna, (You may remember the situation with her) and I haven't
talked to her since.
Ouch :(
She's moved to Alabama to be near her sisters and they are seeing a
side of her they weren't familiar with.
She even got my two nephews (Her grandsons) involved in a shady deal
that could have got them sent to prison.
Wow!
Her sister's thought she had lost her mind and had to be told she has
always been that way.
I have thought in the past what I would do if she reaches a point at
which she needs care around the clock.
She can't live with me so her options are limited.
LOL - Exactly. My MIL once said to me "Perhaps your mother could come
live
with you?" My response: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?!?!?!?"
Lol!
Sounds like the proper response.
I'm afraid my sisters are eventually going to get saddled with mine
and I can promise it will ruin their lives.
For a while I felt sorry for her because of the things she could have
had but missed.
But again, she made her choices and has nobody to blame but herself.
It all sounds pretty cold blooded doesn't it?
Yes and no. I do understand.
But this is a woman who once went federal with a very shady, hell
probably illegal deal, got my sister involved and I had to explain to
her that the feds wouldn't buy that "Just a poor old wider woman"
routine if she got caught.
(She isn't a widow any damned way but uses it a lot).
Years ago she kept threatening to cut me out of her will and I had to
tell her that she was the only person I knew who was coming back for
her stuff and I didn't want anything to do with it.
Phew...what a thought.
Waking up to the sound of chains dragging along the floor while her
ghost rummages through my house looking for her ill gotten gains.
<shivers>
Okay, now you're scaring me ;)
Sad thing is when we were kids she was sort of as a good a mother as
she could be given the circumstances.
Didn't last long though and then the screaming and beatings started.
But that short period of being the good mother is the thing thats
going to cause me grief when she dies.
I barely cried when my dad died. I have a feeling it's going to be the same
with my mom.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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27 Nov 2006 09:58:56 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:38:45 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
snp
My psychologist friend's father also complains that he's tired of
being treated like a child.
Problem is half the time he can't do much of anything for himself.
Can't shave with a toothbrush.
He was over for Thanksgiving dinner and I agreed to take him home
later so his daughter could get some rest.
He has a very interesting military history, was a friend of Bob Hope
and is a really nice and intelligent guy.
He likes to talk, needs somebody to talk to and I'll be taking him for
coffee and such as long as I can handle it.
I knew him years ago and its heartbreaking to see this damnable thing
happening to him.
It is awful to watch - I felt so bad for my dad, watching him go down hill
the way he did.
Yes.
About 2 month after he died, my mom decided to spill the
beans about what a cheating ***** he'd been throughout their entire marriage.
Good thing I didn't know about that until after he'd died.
I wonder why she told you?
I know my stepfather cheated on my mother <And so does she> but I
always took into account who he was married to.
On the other hand she was also married to him.
And he was pretty wild in his younger days.
He never set foot inside a school and bringing him from the country to
the city was like turning a wolf loose on mainstreet.
He could be a mean sort.
Killed at least one guy over a dice game and my mother suspected him
of killing a woman on a downtown street sometime during the
nineteen-fifties.
A crime that was never solved for lack of clues.
I checked into it but couldn't come up with anything.
The immortal Satchel Paige once said "Don't never look back, something
might be gaining on you," and as my stepfather was dying the regrets
pretty much overwhelmed him.
He would sit in a chair, stooped over, withered old hands gripping his
cane and a far away look in his tired old eyes and I knew he was
reliving some things he would rather have forgotten.
But that's the way it is with a man's sins.
They don't go away, we just bag them up and drag them behind us until
finally, if the sins are heavy enough, the weight becomes unbearable.
That's why we have to be careful now.
We have to go to our graves with everything we have ever done.
And if the dying is long and drawn out we have plenty of time for
reflection.
For me it isn't a fear of facing God on judgement day, its facing the
man I was that I'm afraid of.
But that's ok.
It helps keep me in line.
She's selfish and mean as hell and life is complicated enough without
letting her add to the difficulities.
I remember at some point in my late teens when I realized she wasn't
God, just another human being and not one that I would not choose to
be friends with.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
I have hated my mother in the past - but, now that's just changed into
utter
annoyance.
I know the feeling but I'm not even annoyed with mine anymore.
If she lost the power of speech, I might feel the same ;)
The last time I talked to her she hung up on me because I mentioned
Brianna, (You may remember the situation with her) and I haven't
talked to her since.
Ouch :(
She could have done just about anything else and I would have let it
slide.
The woman is cold.
She's moved to Alabama to be near her sisters and they are seeing a
side of her they weren't familiar with.
She even got my two nephews (Her grandsons) involved in a shady deal
that could have got them sent to prison.
Wow!
Lovable ain't she?
It broke the heart of one of the grandson's but the other already knew
she was capable of such things.
It just sounded like an innocent deal to him at the time.
Her sister's thought she had lost her mind and had to be told she has
always been that way.
I have thought in the past what I would do if she reaches a point at
which she needs care around the clock.
She can't live with me so her options are limited.
LOL - Exactly. My MIL once said to me "Perhaps your mother could come
live
with you?" My response: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?!?!?!?"
Lol!
Sounds like the proper response.
I'm afraid my sisters are eventually going to get saddled with mine
and I can promise it will ruin their lives.
For a while I felt sorry for her because of the things she could have
had but missed.
But again, she made her choices and has nobody to blame but herself.
It all sounds pretty cold blooded doesn't it?
Yes and no. I do understand.
Others might not.
But I can't help that.
But this is a woman who once went federal with a very shady, hell
probably illegal deal, got my sister involved and I had to explain to
her that the feds wouldn't buy that "Just a poor old wider woman"
routine if she got caught.
(She isn't a widow any damned way but uses it a lot).
Years ago she kept threatening to cut me out of her will and I had to
tell her that she was the only person I knew who was coming back for
her stuff and I didn't want anything to do with it.
Phew...what a thought.
Waking up to the sound of chains dragging along the floor while her
ghost rummages through my house looking for her ill gotten gains.
<shivers>
Okay, now you're scaring me ;)
.... ;-)
Sad thing is when we were kids she was sort of as a good a mother as
she could be given the circumstances.
Didn't last long though and then the screaming and beatings started.
But that short period of being the good mother is the thing thats
going to cause me grief when she dies.
I barely cried when my dad died. I have a feeling it's going to be the same
with my mom.
They help mold us into what we are.
There's always a price to pay for it.
And we don't all cry when others do.
It's a sign of strength I think.
Keep your chin up :-)
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