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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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Dan Rather Easily Debunks the Tin-Foil Hat Loonies At Freep and LateGermanFascists.com. |
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/rather/index.html
Rather feeling Freeped, but standing by his story
Dan Rather appeared miffed that he even had to spend five minutes of
his broadcast tonight responding to what he called the
none-too-surprising counterattack led by partisan operatives against
his 60 Minutes segment on Wednesday about Bush's Guard service.
Putting the whole superscript frenzy into perspective, Rather recapped
the central points of his piece: Did Ben Barnes use his influence to
get Bush into the Guard? Did Bush refuse a direct order from his
commanding officer? Was he suspended for failing to perform? Did he
take his physical as ordered, and if not, why not? And did Bush
complete his commitment to the Guard?
The 60 Minutes story was based, Rather reminds us, not just on
documents but on new credible witnesses and other evidence. But the
hype has centered on the memos. Some people, Rather said, "including
many who are partisan political operatives," contend the documents are
fake. Rather was not impressed with their arguments. "These critics
have focused on something called superscript that automatically makes
a raised 'th.' Critics claim it didn't exist," he said. But CBS showed
one document not in dispute -- it looked like the document we linked
to earlier -- that was released by the White House. The document is
from 1968, but lo and behold, there is a raised, smaller "th."
Then there's the font question. "Some analysts outside CBS," as Rather
called them, claim the font looks like Times New Roman, which they say
was not available in the 1970s. CBS called the company that
distributes this typing style, Rather said, and it turns out the style
has been available since 1931.
And he pointed out that all of the critics of these memos -- and
experts who are being quoted by news organizations, including Salon,
are basing their judgments on copies that inevitably deteriorate with
photocopying, faxing and downloading.
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
It's clear that Rather is feeling Swift Boated by the allegations that
began in the right-wing blogosphere and crept into the major
newspapers under headlines that warned of "serious questions" about
his work. "Are you surprised these questions are coming about?" Rather
asked his analyst Matley. "We're not," Rather added.
Clearly, Rather said, his piece was based not solely on the documents
-- that were provided by solid sources, he said -- but on a
"preponderance of evidence." As far as Rather is concerned, his work
here is done. He ended tonight by saying: "If any definitive evidence
to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far,
there is none."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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11 Sep 2004 07:59:14 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
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11 Sep 2004 01:10:58 PM |
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On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/source/index.html
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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11 Sep 2004 04:48:49 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:osf6k0l37polbcs5h6hoif2uhon7t69hqe@4ax.com...
On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/source/index.html
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist because he
will try to treat with the terrorists and end up giving them everything as
he wanted to do with the North Viets. Kerry is a traitor to those with whom
he served and to the country that he now wants to believe, that he was a
hero in a war that he never wanted to fight. And did his very best to
undermine regardless who it hurt, such as prisoners of war, dead US soldiers
and SO. Viets who were murdered by the North. Proof is the number of people
that fled Nam on flimsy boats on the open sea rather then face the North.
You have heard of the thousands of boat people who fled?
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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11 Sep 2004 05:15:00 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:48:49 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:osf6k0l37polbcs5h6hoif2uhon7t69hqe@4ax.com...
On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/source/index.html
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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| User: "E.E.Bud Keith" |
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11 Sep 2004 10:36:56 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:48:49 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room
/2004/09/10/source/index.html
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
You really are a brainless punk. what is we call little pinko's that want to
elect a traitor. Who can trust a man like you that does not have the sense
to come in out of the rain a silly little turd who thinks he has all the
answers. But can not find his ***** with both hands.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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12 Sep 2004 05:29:34 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:36:56 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:95u6k05r7bp0teq8o2e4jbb7kvom93atf0@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:48:49 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:osf6k0l37polbcs5h6hoif2uhon7t69hqe@4ax.com...
On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room
/2004/09/10/source/index.html
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
You really are a brainless punk. what is we call little pinko's that want to
elect a traitor.
You're the one who voted for an AWOL coke snorter. At least Clinton
got his degree as a Rhodes Scholar.
Oh, where's that WMD again, *****?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:29:34 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:36:56 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:48:49 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room
/2004/09/10/source/index.html
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
You really are a brainless punk. what is we call little pinko's that want to
elect a traitor.
You're the one who voted for an AWOL coke snorter. At least Clinton
got his degree as a Rhodes Scholar.
Oh, where's that WMD again, *****?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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12 Sep 2004 12:09:05 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<95u6k05r7bp0teq8o2e4jbb7kvom93atf0@4ax.com>...
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
...
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
Colin Powell called them "fucking crazies":
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1302834,00.html
Colin Powell in four-letter neo-con 'crazies' row
Martin Bright
Sunday September 12, 2004
The Observer
A furious row has broken out over claims in a new book by BBC
broadcaster James Naughtie that US Secretary of State Colin Powell
described neo-conservatives in the Bush administration as 'fucking
crazies' during the build-up to war in Iraq.
Powell's extraordinary outburst is alleged to have taken place during
a telephone conversation with Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. The two
became close friends during the intense negotiations in the summer of
2002 to build an international coalition for intervention via the
United Nations. The 'crazies' are said to be Vice-President *****
Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul
Wolfowitz...
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:15:00 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:48:49 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:osf6k0l37polbcs5h6hoif2uhon7t69hqe@4ax.com...
On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/source/index.html
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
There are those that think that the country also belongs to us and our
opinion is, if we elect Kerry the country will no longer exist
Yes, they're called AWOL draft dodging ***** NeoCons.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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11 Sep 2004 08:45:45 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:10:58 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep 2004 05:59:14 -0700, (Dave) wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>...>
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue
of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
Marcel Matley, until the forensic evidence against the JKF fakes
became overwhelming, was slated to be Cusack's star witness to
"authenticate" the papers which had taken in Seymour Hersh and Diane
Hamilton, among others. It was use of a Zip code and *typewriter
fonts* -- not the handwriting which proved Cusack's downfall. Look up
"Dark Side of Camelot"
I shall loook it up, in the mean time:
William Flynn, a forensic expert, has been cited in several news
accounts claiming the Killian memos were almost certainly faked. A few
people have sent us this link showing that Flynn is also famous for
alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's
death-camp ID in order to "frame" him.
As for one of the other "debunkers" cited in the AP account among
other stories, Sandra Ramsey Lines, it turns out that she has strong
GOP ties and is a member of the WISH List, a group that raises money
for Republican women running for the House and Senate.
And Eric Boehlert writes in Salon that a PR firm pushing the CBS memo
forgery story was also a force behind the anti-Kerry Swift Boat
campaign.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/source/index.html
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:40:20 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/rather/index.html
Rather feeling Freeped, but standing by his story
Dan Rather appeared miffed that he even had to spend five minutes of
his broadcast tonight responding to what he called the
none-too-surprising counterattack led by partisan operatives against
his 60 Minutes segment on Wednesday about Bush's Guard service.
Putting the whole superscript frenzy into perspective, Rather recapped
the central points of his piece: Did Ben Barnes use his influence to
get Bush into the Guard? Did Bush refuse a direct order from his
commanding officer? Was he suspended for failing to perform? Did he
take his physical as ordered, and if not, why not? And did Bush
complete his commitment to the Guard?
The 60 Minutes story was based, Rather reminds us, not just on
documents but on new credible witnesses and other evidence. But the
hype has centered on the memos. Some people, Rather said, "including
many who are partisan political operatives," contend the documents are
fake. Rather was not impressed with their arguments. "These critics
have focused on something called superscript that automatically makes
a raised 'th.' Critics claim it didn't exist," he said. But CBS showed
one document not in dispute -- it looked like the document we linked
to earlier -- that was released by the White House. The document is
from 1968, but lo and behold, there is a raised, smaller "th."
Then there's the font question. "Some analysts outside CBS," as Rather
called them, claim the font looks like Times New Roman, which they say
was not available in the 1970s. CBS called the company that
distributes this typing style, Rather said, and it turns out the style
has been available since 1931.
And he pointed out that all of the critics of these memos -- and
experts who are being quoted by news organizations, including Salon,
are basing their judgments on copies that inevitably deteriorate with
photocopying, faxing and downloading.
Putting the type-style and superscripting aside, there is the issue of
Killian's signature, which is not a main focus of the debate. CBS'
analyst, Marcel Matley, says the signature on the memos was the same
as another document signed by Jerry Killian, Bush's commanding
officer.
It's clear that Rather is feeling Swift Boated by the allegations that
began in the right-wing blogosphere and crept into the major
newspapers under headlines that warned of "serious questions" about
his work. "Are you surprised these questions are coming about?" Rather
asked his analyst Matley. "We're not," Rather added.
Clearly, Rather said, his piece was based not solely on the documents
-- that were provided by solid sources, he said -- but on a
"preponderance of evidence." As far as Rather is concerned, his work
here is done. He ended tonight by saying: "If any definitive evidence
to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far,
there is none."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1006 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
in <3ll4k018ekckdr5hfslqa46idcqo36gc0a@4ax.com>:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/09/10/rather/index.html
Rather feeling Freeped, but standing by his story
[snip]
What kills me is that almost all the sordid details of Junior's
AWOL escapades were known at least as far back as 1999.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm
--
The Very Irrev. Fear gan dia # http://goddamliberal.port5.com
"We report, you... you... you shut up! Just shut up!"
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