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30 Jan 2006 08:02:03 AM |
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Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row |
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
Denmark has warned citizens not to go to Saudi Arabia and Gaza gunmen
said any Danes or Norwegians who came there would face attack, as
Muslim fury mounted over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.
Denmark has defended the Jyllands-Posten newspaper's right to publish
the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the prophet as a
terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.
Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures
blasphemous, have reacted angrily, threatening Danes, calling for goods
boycotts and demanding an apology.
Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark, Libya has closed its
embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest yesterday.
The Danish Foreign Ministry warned against non-crucial travel to Saudi
Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in countries such as Egypt, Iran,
Lebanon, Algeria, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.
"In the current situation where the drawings of the Prophet Mohammad
have caused strong negative reactions among Muslims, Danes who choose
to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness,"
it added on its website.
The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and
one from Yemen.
Ten Palestinians armed with assault rifles and grenade launchers
rallied outside the European Union headquarters in Gaza City and fired
in the air, demanding an apology and saying Danes and Norwegians there
would be at risk of attack.
"We warn the citizens of the above-mentioned governments to take this
warning seriously because our groups are ready to implement it across
the Gaza Strip," one of the gunmen said, reading from a prepared
statement.
Militants set fire to Norwegian and Danish flags and painted a
footprint on the Danish flag, a severe insult for Arabs.
Thousands of protesters in the West Bank town of Qalqilya marched
through the streets, demanding an apology and burning Denmark's flag, a
white cross on a red background.
Militant groups linked to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah
faction issued a statement saying, "We call upon all Danish citizens in
(Palestine) to leave immediately."
Hamas, the militant Islamic group which won Palestinian elections last
week, urged Islamic countries to take "deterrent steps against idiotic
Danish behaviour".
"We call on Muslim nations to boycott all Danish products because the
Danish people supported the hateful racism under the pretext of freedom
of expression," it said in a statement.
Boycotts
A website often used by militant groups in Iraq also called for a
consumer boycott.
The al-Hisbah site carried a black banner bearing the address of
another site, www.no4denmark.com, that showed pictures of products
consumers should shun. These include Lego toys, food products,
cosmetics and pump manufacturer Grundfos.
The Oslo Foreign Ministry said there were two Norwegian aid workers in
Gaza who both planned to leave yesterday.
"We have advised Norwegians not to travel to the Gaza Strip," a
spokeswoman said.
Israel quit Gaza last year after 38 years of occupation, prompting a
power struggle between rival Palestinian factions. Several foreigners,
including aid workers and tourists, have been briefly kidnapped in bids
by gunmen to press their demands.
The 12 cartoons were published by Jyllands-Posten in September. One
showed him wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has refused to
apologise, defending the right of free speech and saying he could not
influence the media, but he condemned attempts "to demonise people
because of religious beliefs".
The world's biggest Muslim body, the Saudi-based Organisation of the
Islamic Conference, has condemned the cartoons but called on Muslims to
stick to peaceful protest.
Many ordinary Saudis have started boycotting Danish products and across
the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the
shelves after consumers complained.
Egypt is also considering recalling its Copenhagen envoy, Danish media
quoted Egypt's ambassador for saying.
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30 Jan 2006 08:54:24 AM |
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It's long overdue that we in the West, and particular Atheist, show the
Muslim world, as we do Christians, the stupidly of their terrible belief
system, and what better place to start then with Mohammad? Here was a truly
vile person as history records and it's time the light of truth was shown on
him and his doctrine. Bravo for the Danes!
Khubla,
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"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138629723.321382.327510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
Denmark has warned citizens not to go to Saudi Arabia and Gaza gunmen
said any Danes or Norwegians who came there would face attack, as
Muslim fury mounted over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.
Denmark has defended the Jyllands-Posten newspaper's right to publish
the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the prophet as a
terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.
Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures
blasphemous, have reacted angrily, threatening Danes, calling for goods
boycotts and demanding an apology.
Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark, Libya has closed its
embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest yesterday.
The Danish Foreign Ministry warned against non-crucial travel to Saudi
Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in countries such as Egypt, Iran,
Lebanon, Algeria, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.
"In the current situation where the drawings of the Prophet Mohammad
have caused strong negative reactions among Muslims, Danes who choose
to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness,"
it added on its website.
The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and
one from Yemen.
Ten Palestinians armed with assault rifles and grenade launchers
rallied outside the European Union headquarters in Gaza City and fired
in the air, demanding an apology and saying Danes and Norwegians there
would be at risk of attack.
"We warn the citizens of the above-mentioned governments to take this
warning seriously because our groups are ready to implement it across
the Gaza Strip," one of the gunmen said, reading from a prepared
statement.
Militants set fire to Norwegian and Danish flags and painted a
footprint on the Danish flag, a severe insult for Arabs.
Thousands of protesters in the West Bank town of Qalqilya marched
through the streets, demanding an apology and burning Denmark's flag, a
white cross on a red background.
Militant groups linked to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah
faction issued a statement saying, "We call upon all Danish citizens in
(Palestine) to leave immediately."
Hamas, the militant Islamic group which won Palestinian elections last
week, urged Islamic countries to take "deterrent steps against idiotic
Danish behaviour".
"We call on Muslim nations to boycott all Danish products because the
Danish people supported the hateful racism under the pretext of freedom
of expression," it said in a statement.
Boycotts
A website often used by militant groups in Iraq also called for a
consumer boycott.
The al-Hisbah site carried a black banner bearing the address of
another site, www.no4denmark.com, that showed pictures of products
consumers should shun. These include Lego toys, food products,
cosmetics and pump manufacturer Grundfos.
The Oslo Foreign Ministry said there were two Norwegian aid workers in
Gaza who both planned to leave yesterday.
"We have advised Norwegians not to travel to the Gaza Strip," a
spokeswoman said.
Israel quit Gaza last year after 38 years of occupation, prompting a
power struggle between rival Palestinian factions. Several foreigners,
including aid workers and tourists, have been briefly kidnapped in bids
by gunmen to press their demands.
The 12 cartoons were published by Jyllands-Posten in September. One
showed him wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has refused to
apologise, defending the right of free speech and saying he could not
influence the media, but he condemned attempts "to demonise people
because of religious beliefs".
The world's biggest Muslim body, the Saudi-based Organisation of the
Islamic Conference, has condemned the cartoons but called on Muslims to
stick to peaceful protest.
Many ordinary Saudis have started boycotting Danish products and across
the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the
shelves after consumers complained.
Egypt is also considering recalling its Copenhagen envoy, Danish media
quoted Egypt's ambassador for saying.
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30 Jan 2006 06:19:07 PM |
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I'm starting to suspect that this tendency to violence is hard-wired into
Islam, that a non-violent Islam wouldn't really be Islam any more. But this
is just a suspicion. I have more reading to do.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:24 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
It's long overdue that we in the West, and particular Atheist, show the
Muslim world, as we do Christians, the stupidly of their terrible belief
system, and what better place to start then with Mohammad? Here was a truly
vile person as history records and it's time the light of truth was shown on
him and his doctrine. Bravo for the Danes!
Khubla,
.
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138629723.321382.327510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
Denmark has warned citizens not to go to Saudi Arabia and Gaza gunmen
said any Danes or Norwegians who came there would face attack, as
Muslim fury mounted over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.
Denmark has defended the Jyllands-Posten newspaper's right to publish
the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the prophet as a
terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.
Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures
blasphemous, have reacted angrily, threatening Danes, calling for goods
boycotts and demanding an apology.
Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark, Libya has closed its
embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest yesterday.
The Danish Foreign Ministry warned against non-crucial travel to Saudi
Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in countries such as Egypt, Iran,
Lebanon, Algeria, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.
"In the current situation where the drawings of the Prophet Mohammad
have caused strong negative reactions among Muslims, Danes who choose
to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness,"
it added on its website.
The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and
one from Yemen.
Ten Palestinians armed with assault rifles and grenade launchers
rallied outside the European Union headquarters in Gaza City and fired
in the air, demanding an apology and saying Danes and Norwegians there
would be at risk of attack.
"We warn the citizens of the above-mentioned governments to take this
warning seriously because our groups are ready to implement it across
the Gaza Strip," one of the gunmen said, reading from a prepared
statement.
Militants set fire to Norwegian and Danish flags and painted a
footprint on the Danish flag, a severe insult for Arabs.
Thousands of protesters in the West Bank town of Qalqilya marched
through the streets, demanding an apology and burning Denmark's flag, a
white cross on a red background.
Militant groups linked to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah
faction issued a statement saying, "We call upon all Danish citizens in
(Palestine) to leave immediately."
Hamas, the militant Islamic group which won Palestinian elections last
week, urged Islamic countries to take "deterrent steps against idiotic
Danish behaviour".
"We call on Muslim nations to boycott all Danish products because the
Danish people supported the hateful racism under the pretext of freedom
of expression," it said in a statement.
Boycotts
A website often used by militant groups in Iraq also called for a
consumer boycott.
The al-Hisbah site carried a black banner bearing the address of
another site, www.no4denmark.com, that showed pictures of products
consumers should shun. These include Lego toys, food products,
cosmetics and pump manufacturer Grundfos.
The Oslo Foreign Ministry said there were two Norwegian aid workers in
Gaza who both planned to leave yesterday.
"We have advised Norwegians not to travel to the Gaza Strip," a
spokeswoman said.
Israel quit Gaza last year after 38 years of occupation, prompting a
power struggle between rival Palestinian factions. Several foreigners,
including aid workers and tourists, have been briefly kidnapped in bids
by gunmen to press their demands.
The 12 cartoons were published by Jyllands-Posten in September. One
showed him wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has refused to
apologise, defending the right of free speech and saying he could not
influence the media, but he condemned attempts "to demonise people
because of religious beliefs".
The world's biggest Muslim body, the Saudi-based Organisation of the
Islamic Conference, has condemned the cartoons but called on Muslims to
stick to peaceful protest.
Many ordinary Saudis have started boycotting Danish products and across
the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the
shelves after consumers complained.
Egypt is also considering recalling its Copenhagen envoy, Danish media
quoted Egypt's ambassador for saying.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "Rick" |
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30 Jan 2006 06:50:13 PM |
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erikc wrote in message ...
I'm starting to suspect that this tendency to violence is hard-wired into
Islam, that a non-violent Islam wouldn't really be Islam any more. But
this
is just a suspicion. I have more reading to do.
http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm
STATEMENT BY IBN WARRAQ ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATROCITY
Ibn Warraq is the author of Why I Am Not A Muslim
Given the stupefying enormity of the acts of barbarism of 11 September,
moral outrage is appropriate and justified, as are demands for punishment.
But a civilized society cannot permit blind attacks on all those perceived
as “Muslims” or Arabs. Not all Muslims or all Arabs are terrorists. Nor are
they implicated in the horrendous events of Tuesday. Police protection for
individual Muslims, mosques and other institutions must be increased.
However, to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Terrorist Tuesday is
to wilfully ignore the obvious and to forever misinterpret events. Without
Islam the long-term strategy and individual acts of violence by Usama bin
Laden and his followers make little sense. The West needs to understand them
in order to be able to deal with them and avoid past mistakes. We are
confronted with Islamic terrorists and must take seriously the Islamic
component. Westerners in general, and Americans in particular, do not
understand the passionate, religious, and anti-western convictions of
Islamic terrorists. These God-intoxicated fanatics blindly throw away their
lives in return for the Paradise of Seventy Two Virgins offered Muslim
martyrs killed in the Holy War against all infidels.
[snip]
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-r
ow/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
- Rick
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30 Jan 2006 07:32:33 PM |
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Rick wrote:
erikc wrote in message ...
I'm starting to suspect that this tendency to violence is hard-wired into
Islam, that a non-violent Islam wouldn't really be Islam any more. But
this
is just a suspicion. I have more reading to do.
http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm
STATEMENT BY IBN WARRAQ ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATROCITY
Ibn Warraq is the author of Why I Am Not A Muslim
Given the stupefying enormity of the acts of barbarism of 11 September,
moral outrage is appropriate and justified, as are demands for punishment.
But a civilized society cannot permit blind attacks on all those perceived
as "Muslims" or Arabs. Not all Muslims or all Arabs are terrorists. Nor are
they implicated in the horrendous events of Tuesday. Police protection for
individual Muslims, mosques and other institutions must be increased.
However, to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Terrorist Tuesday is
to wilfully ignore the obvious and to forever misinterpret events. Without
Islam the long-term strategy and individual acts of violence by Usama bin
Laden and his followers make little sense. The West needs to understand them
in order to be able to deal with them and avoid past mistakes. We are
confronted with Islamic terrorists and must take seriously the Islamic
component. Westerners in general, and Americans in particular, do not
understand the passionate, religious, and anti-western convictions of
Islamic terrorists. These God-intoxicated fanatics blindly throw away their
lives in return for the Paradise of Seventy Two Virgins offered Muslim
martyrs killed in the Holy War against all infidels.
Wasn't that type of logic that made Vietnam war possible? Vietnamese
wre fighting for national independence and not Communism whereas US
thought it was fighting Communism..
[snip]
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-r
ow/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
- Rick
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| User: "maff" |
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30 Jan 2006 07:26:04 PM |
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erikc wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that this tendency to violence is hard-wired into
Islam, that a non-violent Islam wouldn't really be Islam any more. But this
is just a suspicion. I have more reading to do.
So how come North African countries and Turkey gave refuge to the
expelled Jewish and Arab Spanish citizens by Catholic Spain in 1492?
Christian atrocities
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/2b62a1f5e94cbbbd
Was the holocaust perpertrated by the Muslims? Christians out performed
all other religions combined in the killiing spree and more.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:24 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
It's long overdue that we in the West, and particular Atheist, show the
Muslim world, as we do Christians, the stupidly of their terrible belief
system, and what better place to start then with Mohammad? Here was a truly
vile person as history records and it's time the light of truth was shown on
him and his doctrine. Bravo for the Danes!
Khubla,
.
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138629723.321382.327510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
Denmark has warned citizens not to go to Saudi Arabia and Gaza gunmen
said any Danes or Norwegians who came there would face attack, as
Muslim fury mounted over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.
Denmark has defended the Jyllands-Posten newspaper's right to publish
the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the prophet as a
terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.
Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures
blasphemous, have reacted angrily, threatening Danes, calling for goods
boycotts and demanding an apology.
Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark, Libya has closed its
embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest yesterday.
The Danish Foreign Ministry warned against non-crucial travel to Saudi
Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in countries such as Egypt, Iran,
Lebanon, Algeria, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.
"In the current situation where the drawings of the Prophet Mohammad
have caused strong negative reactions among Muslims, Danes who choose
to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness,"
it added on its website.
The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and
one from Yemen.
Ten Palestinians armed with assault rifles and grenade launchers
rallied outside the European Union headquarters in Gaza City and fired
in the air, demanding an apology and saying Danes and Norwegians there
would be at risk of attack.
"We warn the citizens of the above-mentioned governments to take this
warning seriously because our groups are ready to implement it across
the Gaza Strip," one of the gunmen said, reading from a prepared
statement.
Militants set fire to Norwegian and Danish flags and painted a
footprint on the Danish flag, a severe insult for Arabs.
Thousands of protesters in the West Bank town of Qalqilya marched
through the streets, demanding an apology and burning Denmark's flag, a
white cross on a red background.
Militant groups linked to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah
faction issued a statement saying, "We call upon all Danish citizens in
(Palestine) to leave immediately."
Hamas, the militant Islamic group which won Palestinian elections last
week, urged Islamic countries to take "deterrent steps against idiotic
Danish behaviour".
"We call on Muslim nations to boycott all Danish products because the
Danish people supported the hateful racism under the pretext of freedom
of expression," it said in a statement.
Boycotts
A website often used by militant groups in Iraq also called for a
consumer boycott.
The al-Hisbah site carried a black banner bearing the address of
another site, www.no4denmark.com, that showed pictures of products
consumers should shun. These include Lego toys, food products,
cosmetics and pump manufacturer Grundfos.
The Oslo Foreign Ministry said there were two Norwegian aid workers in
Gaza who both planned to leave yesterday.
"We have advised Norwegians not to travel to the Gaza Strip," a
spokeswoman said.
Israel quit Gaza last year after 38 years of occupation, prompting a
power struggle between rival Palestinian factions. Several foreigners,
including aid workers and tourists, have been briefly kidnapped in bids
by gunmen to press their demands.
The 12 cartoons were published by Jyllands-Posten in September. One
showed him wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has refused to
apologise, defending the right of free speech and saying he could not
influence the media, but he condemned attempts "to demonise people
because of religious beliefs".
The world's biggest Muslim body, the Saudi-based Organisation of the
Islamic Conference, has condemned the cartoons but called on Muslims to
stick to peaceful protest.
Many ordinary Saudis have started boycotting Danish products and across
the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the
shelves after consumers complained.
Egypt is also considering recalling its Copenhagen envoy, Danish media
quoted Egypt's ambassador for saying.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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31 Jan 2006 10:42:54 AM |
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JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
j.m.
#1491
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31 Jan 2006 09:06:44 PM |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
Pathetic.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Feb 2006 11:31:27 AM |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:06:44 -0800, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
Pathetic.
The answer to the question they were trying to answer is a resounding
'yes.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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01 Feb 2006 11:11:18 AM |
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Steve Knight wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
Partially. In Germany 'Die Welt' and in France 'France-Soir' have now
published the cartoons. 'Die Welt' put them on its website.
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikaturen/ibdff5db62d6bc290b139265c0ffea5e0
Both of this papers knew from the beginning how bad the protests are
going to be.
I hope more and more newspapers have the guts to put this pictures up.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
j.m.
#1491
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02 Feb 2006 04:12:27 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:11:18 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Steve Knight wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
Partially. In Germany 'Die Welt' and in France 'France-Soir' have now
published the cartoons. 'Die Welt' put them on its website.
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikaturen/ibdff5db62d6bc290b139265c0ffea5e0
Both of this papers knew from the beginning how bad the protests are
going to be.
I hope more and more newspapers have the guts to put this pictures up.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
That it is. Sadly, so many people are unable to understand that.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:12:27 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:11:18 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Steve Knight wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
Partially. In Germany 'Die Welt' and in France 'France-Soir' have now
published the cartoons. 'Die Welt' put them on its website.
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikaturen/ibdff5db62d6bc290b139265c0ffea5e0
Both of this papers knew from the beginning how bad the protests are
going to be.
I hope more and more newspapers have the guts to put this pictures up.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
That it is. Sadly, so many people are unable to understand that.
I've noticed that no newspapers here in the States have published them. (Not
that it matters to me personally, I already have the whole collection and then
some.)
Check this Dutch site out:
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:56:41 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:12:27 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:11:18 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
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I hope more and more newspapers have the guts to put this pictures up.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
That it is. Sadly, so many people are unable to understand that.
I've noticed that no newspapers here in the States have published them. (Not
that it matters to me personally, I already have the whole collection and then
some.)
Check this Dutch site out:
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
I LOVE IT! ROFLMAO!!!!!!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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03 Feb 2006 09:06:09 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:56:41 -0600, in alt.atheism
erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote in
<agv5u1tge5gu7iuj87chqplglme464u8kb@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:12:27 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:11:18 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Steve Knight wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:42:54 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
JPG wrote:
I guess Danepak bacon will be off the menu at the best Saudi and Gaza
restaurants. Another example of religious stupidity.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/danes-face-muslim-boycott-over-cartoon-row/2006/01/31/1138590448951.html
http://tinyurl.com/8dxt9
Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row
<snip>
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
So Islamers win.
Partially. In Germany 'Die Welt' and in France 'France-Soir' have now
published the cartoons. 'Die Welt' put them on its website.
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikaturen/ibdff5db62d6bc290b139265c0ffea5e0
Both of this papers knew from the beginning how bad the protests are
going to be.
I hope more and more newspapers have the guts to put this pictures up.
What an incredibly sad state of affairs when extremist killers can
demand apologies from harmless people.
They've become the 21st century of the 1350 a.d. catholic church.
Despite murdering thousands of people for religious reasons, we
dare not 'insult' their god.
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
That it is. Sadly, so many people are unable to understand that.
I've noticed that no newspapers here in the States have published them. (Not
that it matters to me personally, I already have the whole collection and then
some.)
Check this Dutch site out:
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
ABC (Disney) had some pictures, at least on Nightline.
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02 Feb 2006 08:57:24 PM |
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stoney wrote:
When I look at this pictures, I can hardly see the insult. To me some
only voice legitimate criticism on the medieval Islamic culture. One
hits more at Jyllands-Posten for doing it as PR-stunt, another writes
"Jylands-Posten' journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs".
Publishing criticism of your action simultaneously with the other
cartoons is free speech at its best.
That it is. Sadly, so many people are unable to understand that.
Some people have problems seeing the difference between saying 'Don't
murder' and 'Kill them all'.
j.m.
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02 Feb 2006 05:04:50 PM |
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On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
//Niels
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02 Feb 2006 05:09:00 PM |
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Niels wrote:
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
So why is that Jyllands-Posten no longer publishes anti-Jewish cartoons
since World War II?
//Niels
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02 Feb 2006 05:32:32 PM |
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maff wrote:
Niels wrote:
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
So why is that Jyllands-Posten no longer publishes anti-Jewish cartoons
since World War II?
They leave this to your heroes, maff:
http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=15
Or did you mean they don't publish any legitimate criticism of Israel?
Don't know. Couldn't say they don't. Did you follow what they print over
the years?
j.m.
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02 Feb 2006 06:23:37 PM |
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wrote:
maff wrote:
Niels wrote:
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
So why is that Jyllands-Posten no longer publishes anti-Jewish cartoons
since World War II?
They leave this to your heroes, maff:
http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=15
Or did you mean they don't publish any legitimate criticism of Israel?
Don't know. Couldn't say they don't. Did you follow what they print over
the years?
But it's about Jyllands-Posten. If they're for freedom of speech, why
haven't they published any anti-Jewish Cartoons since World War II?
They used to publish anti-Jewish cartoons. Is it because they become
compassionate fascists only when it concerns Jews?
Even in US, anti-African American cartoons used to be the norm. But
it's no longer acceptable.
j.m.
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02 Feb 2006 08:05:12 PM |
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maff wrote:
Or did you mean they don't publish any legitimate criticism of Israel?
Don't know. Couldn't say they don't. Did you follow what they print over
the years?
But it's about Jyllands-Posten. If they're for freedom of speech, why
haven't they published any anti-Jewish Cartoons since World War II?
They used to publish anti-Jewish cartoons. Is it because they become
compassionate fascists only when it concerns Jews?
Even in US, anti-African American cartoons used to be the norm. But
it's no longer acceptable.
Maff:
I think you are comparing two incomparable things. Did you see this
cartoons? Do you really think they are equivalent to Nazi drawings?
I don't think so. Let me tell you why:
- Two of this cartoons already criticize the whole event.
- One has Mohamed rejecting suicide bombers from heaven because they are
out of virgins. Is this arguing for killing Muslims? I don't think so.
- One just shows a cartoonist working in darkness, hiding his picture
out of fear. Are you saying criticizing the denial of free speech in
Islam is the same as arguing for the killing of Muslims? I don't think so.
- One shows two woman, fully covered except their eyes, and a man with
sword, fully visible, except the eyes. Do you think criticizing the
treatment of woman in Islam is the same as calling for genocide? I don't
think so.
- The one described as 'worst' in some news articles shows Mohamed with
a bomb as head. Are you saying linking a religious philosophy known for
their violent conquests to terrorism is the same as arguing for the
killing of Muslims? I don't think so.
I'll skip the others, they are online. You are the link guy. You know
how to find them. If you think different, tell me which cartoon you
mean, and explain where the incitement to genocide is? Which one
declares Muslim non-human? Which one is worse than any other western
cartoon criticizing the government, or other religions?
Lets clean this up first. What is so horrible about this cartoons?
IMO, none try to incite acts of violence against Muslims.
IMO, none declare Muslims 'sub-human' like the Nazi literature did.
IMO, this cartoons are not more disrespectful to Muslims than some links
you post about the Bush government or Christianity in general.
For all I can tell, the Muslim anger is driven simply by the fact that
it is Mohamed who is shown. Not that they called for killing Muslims.
The problem is that Mohamed was drawn AT ALL.
This is a Muslim rule, do you think it must apply to everyone? The
Christians had to accept 'The life of Brain', or the 'Last Temptation of
Christ'. Are you now going to ask why Monty Phyton never did Jews?
Are you seriously suggesting that in order to treat everybody equal,
they have to publish now cartoons calling for genocide on the Jews? Do
you realize that in consequence, to treat everybody equal, we have to
stop criticizing Christianity, Judaism, all the other religions, and
perhaps the governments, politicians and political parties? How would
you fell if the critical depiction of G.W.B. would be banned?
I have seen some news reports claiming JP was supportive of Nazism. OK.
You are the link guy. Give me the examples. It wouldn't surprise me,
considering the history of Europe, but I'd like to see it. You have read
about the Danish reaction to the deportation orders for 'their' Jews?
But I'll accept the fascist history of JP for now. You are asking why
they are not anymore?
Some people learn, maff. It may be surprising to you, but sometimes
people look back at what happened, and learn. Sometimes they realize:
'This was wrong'. Sometimes it takes a generation to do so, but things
change, maff.
Three hundred years ago 'The life of Brian' would have been impossible.
70 years ago drawing Hitler with a bomb as head would have meant the
death of all JP employees. Doing it today with Mohamed means death
threats by Muslims. So far this are threats. Theo van Gogh is dead.
Let's wait a few weeks.
70 years ago some publications called for violence against Jews and
other minorities. Those who didn't were banned. People learned, maff.
Today we consider incitement to violence as unacceptable, and criticism
of religious or political groups, any group, a civil right.
I sent a link in my last post. You probably knew it already. To me it
shows that in the Muslim part of the world it is opposite. Criticism of
political and religious leaders is banned, and incitement to genocide is
perfectly ok.
It seems that some religious groups refuse to learn. Some Christians
call for holly wars, the Muslims for Jihads, and some Jews dream of
ErezIsrael, like nothing changed. And I think we have the right to
criticize them. In words and images. Using everything from reason to
sarcasm and even insults.
Note that I neither put violence nor the incitement for violence on my list.
To sum this up:
If JP would have called for violence, genocide etc. you would have a point.
JP didn't.
JP exercised its right to draw a picture of a historical figure.
JP exercised its right to criticize the treatment of woman in Islam.
JP exercised its right to criticize violence committed by Muslims.
JP gave two cartoonists the opportunity to exercise their right to
criticize JP.
With your comparison between this cartoons and Nazi drawings of Jews you
are comparing a peaceful sit-in with suicide bombers. I think you are
wrong in this comparison.
And as last thing, I think you didn't answer my question:
I do think there are legitimate reasons to criticize Israel, or Judaism
as religion. I think any newspaper should voice this criticism. Are you
saying JP doesn't publish any criticism of Israel? Did you follow what
they print over the years? From the number of links you drag in her I
almost expect it.
j.m.
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wrote:
maff wrote:
Or did you mean they don't publish any legitimate criticism of Israel?
Don't know. Couldn't say they don't. Did you follow what they print over
the years?
But it's about Jyllands-Posten. If they're for freedom of speech, why
haven't they published any anti-Jewish Cartoons since World War II?
They used to publish anti-Jewish cartoons. Is it because they become
compassionate fascists only when it concerns Jews?
Even in US, anti-African American cartoons used to be the norm. But
it's no longer acceptable.
Maff:
I think you are comparing two incomparable things. Did you see this
cartoons? Do you really think they are equivalent to Nazi drawings?
I don't think so. Let me tell you why:
- Two of this cartoons already criticize the whole event.
- One has Mohamed rejecting suicide bombers from heaven because they are
out of virgins. Is this arguing for killing Muslims? I don't think so.
You might not argue for the killing of Muslims. But by demonization of
Muslims over time, others (just like the Nazis) with other agendas will
take it to it's logical conclusion. It isn't about a cartoon.
- One just shows a cartoonist working in darkness, hiding his picture
out of fear. Are you saying criticizing the denial of free speech in
Islam is the same as arguing for the killing of Muslims? I don't think so.
- One shows two woman, fully covered except their eyes, and a man with
sword, fully visible, except the eyes. Do you think criticizing the
treatment of woman in Islam is the same as calling for genocide? I don't
think so.
- The one described as 'worst' in some news articles shows Mohamed with
a bomb as head. Are you saying linking a religious philosophy known for
their violent conquests to terrorism is the same as arguing for the
killing of Muslims? I don't think so.
I'll skip the others, they are online. You are the link guy. You know
how to find them. If you think different, tell me which cartoon you
mean, and explain where the incitement to genocide is? Which one
declares Muslim non-human? Which one is worse than any other western
cartoon criticizing the government, or other religions?
Lets clean this up first. What is so horrible about this cartoons?
IMO, none try to incite acts of violence against Muslims.
IMO, none declare Muslims 'sub-human' like the Nazi literature did.
IMO, this cartoons are not more disrespectful to Muslims than some links
you post about the Bush government or Christianity in general.
For all I can tell, the Muslim anger is driven simply by the fact that
it is Mohamed who is shown. Not that they called for killing Muslims.
The problem is that Mohamed was drawn AT ALL.
This is a Muslim rule, do you think it must apply to everyone? The
Christians had to accept 'The life of Brain', or the 'Last Temptation of
Christ'. Are you now going to ask why Monty Phyton never did Jews?
Are you seriously suggesting that in order to treat everybody equal,
they have to publish now cartoons calling for genocide on the Jews? Do
you realize that in consequence, to treat everybody equal, we have to
stop criticizing Christianity, Judaism, all the other religions, and
perhaps the governments, politicians and political parties? How would
you fell if the critical depiction of G.W.B. would be banned?
I have seen some news reports claiming JP was supportive of Nazism. OK.
You are the link guy. Give me the examples. It wouldn't surprise me,
considering the history of Europe, but I'd like to see it. You have read
about the Danish reaction to the deportation orders for 'their' Jews?
But I'll accept the fascist history of JP for now. You are asking why
they are not anymore?
Some people learn, maff. It may be surprising to you, but sometimes
people look back at what happened, and learn. Sometimes they realize:
'This was wrong'. Sometimes it takes a generation to do so, but things
change, maff.
Three hundred years ago 'The life of Brian' would have been impossible.
70 years ago drawing Hitler with a bomb as head would have meant the
death of all JP employees. Doing it today with Mohamed means death
threats by Muslims. So far this are threats. Theo van Gogh is dead.
Let's wait a few weeks.
70 years ago some publications called for violence against Jews and
other minorities. Those who didn't were banned. People learned, maff.
Today we consider incitement to violence as unacceptable, and criticism
of religious or political groups, any group, a civil right.
I sent a link in my last post. You probably knew it already. To me it
shows that in the Muslim part of the world it is opposite. Criticism of
political and religious leaders is banned, and incitement to genocide is
perfectly ok.
It seems that some religious groups refuse to learn. Some Christians
call for holly wars, the Muslims for Jihads, and some Jews dream of
ErezIsrael, like nothing changed. And I think we have the right to
criticize them. In words and images. Using everything from reason to
sarcasm and even insults.
Note that I neither put violence nor the incitement for violence on my list.
To sum this up:
If JP would have called for violence, genocide etc. you would have a point.
JP didn't.
JP exercised its right to draw a picture of a historical figure.
JP exercised its right to criticize the treatment of woman in Islam.
JP exercised its right to criticize violence committed by Muslims.
JP gave two cartoonists the opportunity to exercise their right to
criticize JP.
With your comparison between this cartoons and Nazi drawings of Jews you
are comparing a peaceful sit-in with suicide bombers. I think you are
wrong in this comparison.
And as last thing, I think you didn't answer my question:
I do think there are legitimate reasons to criticize Israel, or Judaism
as religion. I think any newspaper should voice this criticism. Are you
saying JP doesn't publish any criticism of Israel? Did you follow what
they print over the years? From the number of links you drag in her I
almost expect it.
In Germany also Jews were mostly integrated into German society. But
protectionism, xenophobia, antisemitism were added to the fuel in to
the fire.
Any threat Israel faces isn't military. It's demographics and
democracy. It's a choice they have to face than others.
j.m.
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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04 Feb 2006 10:59:47 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:15:03 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
The question is how fast will they learn and what will it cost the world?
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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05 Feb 2006 10:09:43 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:59:47 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:15:03 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
The question is how fast will they learn and what will it cost the world?
Extremely slowly and way too much. Of course, I'm strictly speaking of
the mad dog muslims.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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03 Feb 2006 03:08:03 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort of
apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just said
he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
Would you double check that? The excerpt below says he would not have
printed them had he forseen the consequences. Thank you.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
/excerpt
The Jyllands-Posten — which received a bomb threat over the drawings —
has apologized for hurting Muslims' feelings but not for publishing the
cartoons. Its editor said Wednesday, however, that he would not have
printed the drawings had he foreseen the consequences.
/excerpt
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| Title: Re: Danes face Muslim boycott over cartoon row |
03 Feb 2006 03:36:03 PM |
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On Friday 03 February 2006 22:08, stoney wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort
of apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just
said he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
Would you double check that? The excerpt below says he would not have
printed them had he forseen the consequences. Thank you.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
/excerpt
The Jyllands-Posten — which received a bomb threat over the drawings —
has apologized for hurting Muslims' feelings but not for publishing the
cartoons. Its editor said Wednesday, however, that he would not have
printed the drawings had he foreseen the consequences.
/excerpt
This is a big thing in Denmark, and the media is overflowing with articles.
It's not easy keeping up with what everybody's saying.
Your cite seems to completely contradict mine (below, with translation), but
maybe it's two different editors? Maybe he changed his mind?
[http://www.dr.dk/DR1/penge/2006/02/02200532.htm]
Flemming Rose ville gøre det igen
02. feb. 2006 20.08 Opdat.: 02. feb. 2006 21.07
Jyllands-Postens kulturredaktør er kommet på alle læber som manden, der har
trykt de 12 tegninger af profeten Muhammed. Han har tegnet avisens profil i
mediestormen, og mener selv, at debatten er ekstrem vigtig, og det er ikke
kun herhjemme.
Trods massivt pres, vil hverken han personligt eller hans arbejdsgiver
Jyllands-Posten undskylde tegningerne.
Flemming Rose er dog ked af, at nogle muslimer føler sig krænket af
tegningerne, for det var ikke meningen.
Direkte adspurgt om han vil bringe tegningerne igen, hvis kan kendte til alt
postyret, lyder svaret: Ja!
"Vi har været monoetniske, monokulturelle og monoreligiøse i hvert fald de
sidste 100 år; nu skal vi til at vænne os til en ny situation. Det kræver
en ærlig debat. Samtidig betragter jeg debatten om islamismen som en global
snarere end en blot dansk debat."
Flemming Rose til Information 24. november 2005
Rough translation: (note: only the last quote is from 2005)
Flemming Rose would do it again
02. feb. 2006 20.08 Update.: 02. feb. 2006 21.07
The editor for culture on Jyllands-Posten is now widely known as the man who
printed the 12 cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. He has himself been in
charge of the paper's public profile in the media storm, and thinks that
the debate is extremely important and not only at home.
In spite of massive pressure, neither he personally or his employer
Jyllands-Posten will apologize for the cartoons. Flemming Rose is sorry
that some muslims feel offended, since that wasn't the purpose. Asked
directly if he would print the cartoons again knowing about all the
trouble, he answers: Yes!
"We've been monoethnic, monocultural and monoreligious for at least a
hundred years, and now we have to get used to a new situation. That takes
honest debate. At the same time I consider the debate about Islam as a
global debate rather that just a Danish debate."
Flemming Rose in Information [another newspaper], November 24th, 2005.
//Niels
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04 Feb 2006 10:26:34 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:36:03 +0100, Niels <zorglub_olsen@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Friday 03 February 2006 22:08, stoney wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:04:50 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.dk> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:42, wrote:
Just read on German news site that the Danish newspaper apologized for
the printing of the cartoons.
Sad. Very sad.
They didn't. They stated that they didn't mean to offend anyone, and sort
of apologized for that. Not for printing the cartoons. The editor just
said he'd do it again, even knowing the consequences.
Ok. Thank you. The Muslims have a lot to learn.
Would you double check that? The excerpt below says he would not have
printed them had he forseen the consequences. Thank you.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings
/excerpt
The Jyllands-Posten ? which received a bomb threat over the drawings ?
has apologized for hurting Muslims' feelings but not for publishing the
cartoons. Its editor said Wednesday, however, that he would not have
printed the drawings had he foreseen the consequences.
/excerpt
This is a big thing in Denmark, and the media is overflowing with articles.
It's not easy keeping up with what everybody's saying.
Understandable. I was wondering if someone at the contradictory site
had misunderstood.
Your cite seems to completely contradict mine (below, with translation), but
maybe it's two different editors? Maybe he changed his mind?
[http://www.dr.dk/DR1/penge/2006/02/02200532.htm]
Flemming Rose ville gøre det igen
02. feb. 2006 20.08 Opdat.: 02. feb. 2006 21.07
Jyllands-Postens kulturredaktør er kommet på alle læber som manden, der har
trykt de 12 tegninger af profeten Muhammed. Han har tegnet avisens profil i
mediestormen, og mener selv, at debatten er ekstrem vigtig, og det er ikke
kun herhjemme.
Trods massivt pres, vil hverken han personligt eller hans arbejdsgiver
Jyllands-Posten undskylde tegningerne.
Flemming Rose er dog ked af, at nogle muslimer føler sig krænket af
tegningerne, for det var ikke meningen.
Direkte adspurgt om han vil bringe tegningerne igen, hvis kan kendte til alt
postyret, lyder svaret: Ja!
"Vi har været monoetniske, monokulturelle og monoreligiøse i hvert fald de
sidste 100 år; nu skal vi til at vænne os til en ny situation. Det kræver
en ærlig debat. Samtidig betragter jeg debatten om islamismen som en global
snarere end en blot dansk debat."
Flemming Rose til Information 24. november 2005
Rough translation: (note: only the last quote is from 2005)
Flemming Rose would do it again
02. feb. 2006 20.08 Update.: 02. feb. 2006 21.07
The editor for culture on Jyllands-Posten is now widely known as the man who
printed the 12 cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. He has himself been in
charge of the paper's public profile in the media storm, and thinks that
the debate is extremely important and not only at home.
In spite of massive pressure, neither he personally or his employer
Jyllands-Posten will apologize for the cartoons. Flemming Rose is sorry
that some muslims feel offended, since that wasn't the purpose. Asked
directly if he would print the cartoons again knowing about all the
trouble, he answers: Yes!
"We've been monoethnic, monocultural and monoreligious for at least a
hundred years, and now we have to get used to a new situation. That takes
honest debate. At the same time I consider the debate about Islam as a
global debate rather that just a Danish debate."
Flemming Rose in Information [another newspaper], November 24th, 2005.
Thank you very much for your response, Niels.
Interesting times indeed.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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05 Feb 2006 01:59:02 PM |
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On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:26, stoney wrote:
Thank you very much for your response, Niels.
Interesting times indeed.
You're welcome. Yesterday I discussed this case with a jehova's witness --
_that_ was certainly interesting.
//Niels
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Feb 2006 10:40:46 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:59:02 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.tld> wrote in alt.atheism
On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:26, stoney wrote:
Thank you very much for your response, Niels.
Interesting times indeed.
You're welcome. Yesterday I discussed this case with a jehova's witness --
_that_ was certainly interesting.
If I may ask, what did you find of particular interest?
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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06 Feb 2006 02:40:55 PM |
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On Monday 06 February 2006 17:40, stoney wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:59:02 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.tld> wrote in alt.atheism
On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:26, stoney wrote:
Thank you very much for your response, Niels.
Interesting times indeed.
You're welcome. Yesterday I discussed this case with a jehova's witness --
_that_ was certainly interesting.
If I may ask, what did you find of particular interest?
He argued, not surpricingly, that it was wrong to print stuff that you know
will offend others. He thought that the best way of changing other people
was to accept them, talk to them, show them a good example and so on. That
sounds nice, but I think that his plan is doomed to failure in the face of
fanatical muslims. We discussed that at some length.
It turned out that he himself had been very offended some years ago by a
Danish movie depicting Jesus as a homosexual. He claimed that Jesus was
very outspoken against homosexuality, but couldn't present any Bible quotes
when I pressed the issue.
One of my main arguments is that problems shouldn't be hushed away, but
brought out into the open as soon as possible. Religious stupidity has no
place in Denmark, and we need to talk about it. I wish Jyllands-Posten
would print the cartoons every day! We need to solve this, not forget it!
It's always a problem: what's the best way of influencing other people? I
believe in showing a good example, and I think that is the basis of Western
societies. We don't force customs and behaviours on each other, we don't
demand that others do exactly what we do. We are, in general, not afraid of
people being different, within some bounds of normality. Those can and do
vary from time to time and from topic to topic. But in general, that's how
I see our societies. I do what I feel is correct, other can see that and
choose their own paths. If I get too far out of line to function in my
society -- which is very broad -- people will let me know.
You need a strong authority to be able to make an entire society conform to
a narrow set of behaviours. Religion is a good example. Another is the
current climate in the mainstream US media -- it's very polarized, you're
with us or against us, you're pro-Bush or "liberal" and a menace to
everybody. There's just no room to maneuver in such a society. Showing a
good example might not be possible. Facing fanatics, it won't even be
noticed, be they muslim or stalinists.
Another topic in Europe is: Do we let Turkey join the EU (ECC)? Turkey has
big problems with human rights violations, and they don't seems to care
much. Showing them a good example isn't working. So, do we let them join EU
so we can really work with them, or do we deny them participation until
they've cleaned up their own mess?
Many muslims in Denmark are nice people. They are becoming more and more
Danish, because they've lived here for generations and seen how we do
things here. That the Danish Society is nice and that it works. A few loud
mouths have apparently not been swayed, and are as primitive as the day
they left the dessert. There's no way to change their minds short of
surgery. Those individuals are the problem, and it's a sad fact that they
speak for some part of the silent -- and otherwise fairly Danish --
majority of muslims. We need to expose those fuckers and thereby strip them
of their power. And we need to teach everybody, once and for all, that it's
acceptable to critize islam, Muhammad or whatever we like.
OK, I'm done ranting incoherently now... sorry about my bad english.
//Niels
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07 Feb 2006 05:07:37 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:40:55 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.tld> wrote in alt.atheism
On Monday 06 February 2006 17:40, stoney wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:59:02 +0100, Niels
<thisisnotmyadress@thisisnotmyserver.tld> wrote in alt.atheism
On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:26, stoney wrote:
Thank you very much for your response, Niels.
Interesting times indeed.
You're welcome. Yesterday I discussed this case with a jehova's witness --
_that_ was certainly interesting.
If I may ask, what did you find of particular interest?
He argued, not surpricingly, that it was wrong to print stuff that you know
will offend others. He thought that the best way of changing other people
was to accept them, talk to them, show them a good example and so on. That
sounds nice, but I think that his plan is doomed to failure in the face of
fanatical muslims. We discussed that at some length.
Just as it is with fanatical christians.
It turned out that he himself had been very offended some years ago by a
Danish movie depicting Jesus as a homosexual. He claimed that Jesus was
very outspoken against homosexuality, but couldn't present any Bible quotes
when I pressed the issue.
He 'rolled his own' deity.
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