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"Eris" |
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28 Nov 2006 08:12:08 PM |
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Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
28 Nov 2006 10:38:26 PM |
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Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:tmqpm25shhuo0ul9d7s23tb4r9do52mjqi@4ax.com:
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
That long predates Dawkins. You might want to check out the ancient
philosopher Epicurus:
"God either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot, or can but does not
want to, or neither wishes to nor can, or both wants to and can. If he
wants to and cannot, he is weak -- and this does not apply to god. If he
can but does not want to, then he is spiteful -- which is equally foreign
to god's nature. If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and
spiteful and so not a god. If he wants to and can, which is the only thing
fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not
eliminate them?"--Epicurus (from "The Epicurus Reader", translated and
edited by Brad Inwood and L.P. Gerson, Hackett Publishing, 1994, p. 97).
The canned god boy response is to babble about free will. Never mind the
fact that free will is contradicted by the supposed omniscience of the god.
Apart from that I have no idea why they or a god would think that being
able to choose evil would be a good thing.
Klamzon.
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
04 Dec 2006 11:48:24 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2006 17:38:26 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in alt.atheism
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:tmqpm25shhuo0ul9d7s23tb4r9do52mjqi@4ax.com:
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
That long predates Dawkins. You might want to check out the ancient
philosopher Epicurus:
"God either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot, or can but does not
want to, or neither wishes to nor can, or both wants to and can. If he
wants to and cannot, he is weak -- and this does not apply to god. If he
can but does not want to, then he is spiteful -- which is equally foreign
to god's nature. If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and
spiteful and so not a god. If he wants to and can, which is the only thing
fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not
eliminate them?"--Epicurus (from "The Epicurus Reader", translated and
edited by Brad Inwood and L.P. Gerson, Hackett Publishing, 1994, p. 97).
The canned god boy response is to babble about free will. Never mind the
fact that free will is contradicted by the supposed omniscience of the god.
Apart from that I have no idea why they or a god would think that being
able to choose evil would be a good thing.
They're generally not versed in thinking.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
29 Nov 2006 04:06:45 AM |
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Eris wrote:
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Take a Gold Star for effort. He doesn't sound like a likely convert to
me. Call me a defeatist if you wish but, in your shoes, I'd give up
while I still had a full set of teeth.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
29 Nov 2006 04:46:02 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2006 02:06:45 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Eris wrote:
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Take a Gold Star for effort. He doesn't sound like a likely convert to
me. Call me a defeatist if you wish but, in your shoes, I'd give up
while I still had a full set of teeth.
He sounds to me like someone who knows damned well that his beliefs
have no basis in reality. If he actually felt secure in his beliefs,
why would he get so angry when they're challenged?
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
29 Nov 2006 09:57:53 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2006 02:06:45 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Eris wrote:
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Take a Gold Star for effort. He doesn't sound like a likely convert to
me. Call me a defeatist if you wish but, in your shoes, I'd give up
while I still had a full set of teeth.
Like most preachers/priest/rabbi/mullahs God Boy wins arguments with
anger, oldest tactic in hte world, next to ir you loved me.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
28 Nov 2006 09:14:32 PM |
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In article <tmqpm25shhuo0ul9d7s23tb4r9do52mjqi@4ax.com>,
vithant@nospamgmail.com says...
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
For future discussions, you can remind god boy that he tried to lie about
his argument for god. Here I thought that lying was on the magic list of
things god boys weren't supposed to do.
Anyway, as far as his argument, he's essentially saying, "The whole
universe is evidence for my claim". My response would be, hey, I'm the
materialist here. The existence of the material universe is not in
doubt, but it's logically possible that the universe got here some other
way or always existed in some form, with no need for a god to be
involved. So this guy needs to produce some non-material evidence to
support his claim for a non-material being. In the mean time, material
evidence actually supports materialism and atheism, not god.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
Ask him whether jesus would throw temper tantrums too. Note, I think the
bible show jesus throwing a couple temper tantrums acutally, but god boy
probably doesn't see it that way.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
And god supposedly has the power, the knowledge and the mandate to stop
such things in the name of justice and fairness to his alleged creation.
How can their god of love not care?
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
Of course he wasn't the first to point that out, but the fact that bad
things happen to good people is precisely what you would expect in a
universe in which there was no god. I'm pretty sure Dawkins spelled that
out as well.
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
He almost certainly means Gen 3, 4, 5, or 6. However, as I've said in
the past, I favor a strategy of concentrating biblical criticism on
Genesis for that very reason. It's the book that everyone is likely to
be familiar with and it's also a very soft target, containing all kinds
of logical and scientific problems. BTW, when I say concentrate on
Genesis I mean no more than the first 11 chapters or so. There's no need
to go into the later stuff, since there is enough to disprove the
inerrancy of the bible just in these chapters.
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Doubtful. Some like to project that image, but, they wouldn't be theists
unless they were gutless at the core.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Maybe the Richard Dawkins Foundation will start handing out "God-boy
Bitchslap Awards"
--
"I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort
to take away the power of rational decision, to
drain people of their free will--and a hell of a
lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in
their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all.
For most people, religion is nothing more than a
substitute for a malfunctioning brain." --Gene Roddenberry
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
28 Nov 2006 08:59:49 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:12:08 -0500 Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com>
said the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of
1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Would you settle for a standing ovation?
Care to poke him further? Tell him you read Genesis 1, and are
confused about how plants could live in absolute cold and darkness
since they were created before the sun and other stars. Also point
out that Genesis 1 claims the Moon is a light-emitting body.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
29 Nov 2006 08:57:02 AM |
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In article <sptpm2ttl86hnd4kuebsfumc2if8kr2vob@4ax.com>,
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com says...
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:12:08 -0500 Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com>
said the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of
1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
Would you settle for a standing ovation?
Care to poke him further? Tell him you read Genesis 1, and are
confused about how plants could live in absolute cold and darkness
since they were created before the sun and other stars.
Surely it would have occurred to an "intelligent designer" that he should
jumpstart the thermonuclear furnace of the sun before trying to create
any form of life on earth. Granted, plants could survive for a 24 hour
day in the dark, but without the sun it might be colder than the coldest
winter, freezing fresh water and making it impossible for plants to grow.
Besides, where did fresh water for plants even come from? There was
presumably only seawater and no solar-thermal cycle to drive
precipitation. For that matter, lacking some hitherto unmentioned
massive geothermal activity, the oceans likely would have been cold
enough to freeze, at least on the surface. Without the sun, the earth is
no more advantageously placed than Pluto and there is no reason for our
"tropics" to be any warmer than our poles. Plus, I suppose that it
didn't bother god that, before he created the sun, the Earth was just
adrift, without any object around which to orbit.
Also point
out that Genesis 1 claims the Moon is a light-emitting body.
It claims it is a light anyway, when it is really just a reflector. It's
like calling your walls "lights" because they reflect the light in the
room.
--
"I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort
to take away the power of rational decision, to
drain people of their free will--and a hell of a
lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in
their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all.
For most people, religion is nothing more than a
substitute for a malfunctioning brain." --Gene Roddenberry
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
29 Nov 2006 10:52:34 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:59:49 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Care to poke him further? Tell him you read Genesis 1, and are
confused about how plants could live in absolute cold and darkness
since they were created before the sun and other stars. Also point
out that Genesis 1 claims the Moon is a light-emitting body.
And that there couldn't be a first "day" or a second "day" without the
sun, which he didn't make before the first or second "days".
Then tell him to read Genesis 2 and explain why the stories are
different.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Danger! Do not confuse God Boy with facts. |
04 Dec 2006 11:46:03 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:12:08 -0500, Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
See previous post "God Boy stumped me"
I approached God Boy and said "Do you remember when you asked me, how
I could look at the universe and not believe in God"
God Boy sensing a trap vehemently denied ever saying such a thing.
I said O.K., How can you walk through a children's cancer ward and
still believe in God.
Apparently God Boy has anger management problems.
I continued to say that with a God you would expect continuity and no
randomness like one child in thousand contracting cancer.
God Boy was furious and yelled bad things happen to good people.
'Divine Plan.' With that kind of love, who the hell needs enemies?
Since the bad things happen to good people come from 'God' they're good.
I replied, I wouldn't expect that from a God would you? (Yeah Dawkins)
God Boy turned on his heel and spat out Read Genesis chapter one.
WTF is in Genesis chapter one?
The beginning of the Christian faerie tale, of course. In the beginning
the void was without form until Santa Claus furiously polished his
bishop and lo the universe was immaculately ejaculated!
For a moment there I was afraid God Boy was going to get physical.
Do I get an award for this kind of a confrontation?
No.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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