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22 Sep 2007 06:15:32 PM |
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Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot prove about non-belief.
And the implicit equation of Jewish, Christian and Islamic religious
fanatics is absurd. In the first two categories, CNN's Christine
Amanpour dredged up Dr. Baruch Goldstein and a handful of (largely
unsuccessful) Jewish terrorists from the 1980s and a few Christian
abortion clinic bombers. (The former allowed Amanpour to segue into a
BBC-style frontal attack on Israel and the "Israel lobby," already
admirably dissected by Jonathan Tobin and Andrea Levin in these
pages.)
Radical Islamists, by way of comparison, have killed thousands around
the globe in recent years - in New York, Madrid, London, Bali,
Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Jordan, Afghanistan and Iraq.
An Iranian regime with the declared mission of spreading the worldwide
reign of Islam is on the verge of possessing nuclear weapons, and an
already nuclear Pakistan could fall under Islamist rule.
Political Islam, according to Mary Habeck of Johns Hopkins University,
recognizes no permanent political boundaries with unbelievers, for
doing so "would end the expansion of Islam and stop offensive jihad,
both of which are transgressions against [divine] law that commands
jihad until the entire earth is under the rule of Islamic law."
That mindset, in both its Sunni and Shi'ite variants, claims millions
of adherents around the world, including tens of thousands who have
declared their willingness to kill and be killed furthering the cause.
By contrast, Judaism has never recognized a divine mandate for
territorial expansion, and it has been centuries since Christians
spoke with a straight face of Christendom.
AMANPOUR'S EFFORT to undermine religious faith in general is not only
wrong-headed; it is dangerous. Radical Islam may be the greatest
threat to world peace today. But the likeliest antidote is a
resurgence of Jewish and Christian religious belief.
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided - there is one point
even Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion), Christopher Hitchens (God Is
Not Great), and Sam Harris (Letter to a Christian Nation) should
concede: Religious people are better at defending themselves from
threats to their survival.
FOR EVIDENCE, we need look no further than the Europeans' helplessness
in the face of the continent's growing Islamization. Secular Europeans
are unwilling to undertake any sacrifice - even if it's only producing
more children - to save their civilization.
A lack of religious imagination prevents pleasure-loving children of
the Enlightenment from grasping the threat of militant Islam. EU
bureaucrats consistently treat Islamophobia as a greater danger than
radical Islam. They cannot imagine that Islamic terrorists engage in
terrorism because that's what they do best, and not to advance
rational, obtainable goals. Nor do they comprehend that Osama bin
Laden is deadly serious when he proclaims a war of civilizations, and
that there can be no splitting the difference between his goal of
imposing worldwide Shari'a and the West's desire to live in peace and
comfort.
When the danger finally slaps them in the face, Europeans respond by
assuming a posture of abject deference to Islam, in the hope they will
be treated mercifully. A Dutch priest urges using Allah in place of
God, the British prime minister forbids his ministers to mention the
religion of native-born Islamic terrorists, British schools cancel
classes on the Holocaust in the face of Muslim protests, BBC
broadcasters invariably add "peace be upon him" to Muhammad's name and
one European country after another falls over itself to apologize for
printing cartoons Muslims deem offensive.
MORE THAN four years after Iran's nuclear ambitions became clear, and
after being repeatedly led around by the nose, European nations are
still unable to agree on more than symbolic sanctions. Even the threat
of nuclear-armed mullahs sitting athwart the Straits of Hormuz
(through which one-fifth of the world's oil passes) cannot spur them
to action.
Young Europeans have chosen flight over fighting. Emigration from
prosperous Germany and Holland exceeds immigration. A young Dutch
writer, responding to the advice of German author Henryk Broder to
flee to Australia, spoke for many when he wrote: "I am not a warrior,
but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only
good at enjoying it."
His only reaction to the loss of his country: "a feeling of sadness."
That passivity in the face of threat is directly linked to Europe's
loss of religious belief. Those who view themselves as nothing more
than sophisticated, pleasure-seeking animals, whose life has no
purpose outside itself and ends with death, consider nothing worth
dying for and war to be an invariably irrational option.
Not by accident is the United States, by far the most religious
Western country, the only one that shows a determination not to submit
to external enemies. American defense spending dwarfs that of all
Europe combined. And since 1945, Europe has left the burden of its
defense to the U.S. A poll by the German Marshall Fund found that 80
percent of Americans agree with the proposition "[under some
conditions] war is necessary to obtain justice." Less than one-third
of Frenchmen, Germans, Italians and Spaniards responded in kind.
"A man who has nothing he cares about more than he does about his
personal safety is a miserable creature, who has no chance at being
free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than
himself," writes John Stuart Mill.
Godless Europe has become that man.
This article appeared in the Jerusalem Post on September 7, 2007
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28 Sep 2007 08:30:43 AM |
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On 23 Sep., 01:15, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
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http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
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The hit and run lunatic strikes again.
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22 Sep 2007 06:21:11 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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22 Sep 2007 10:30:45 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
skyscrapers..."
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22 Sep 2007 10:58:05 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <serwad@bellsouth.net>
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "AmericanPatriotJeffFisher" |
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28 Sep 2007 06:05:16 PM |
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On Sep 22, 11:58 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
FAITH CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS
NOW TELL EVERYONE TO GOOGLE AL GORE JEFF FISHER WORLD PEACE
EVERYONE IN MANHATTAN IS SEEING IT ON A FLYER
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28 Sep 2007 06:44:56 PM |
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On Sep 28, 4:05 pm, AmericanPatriotJeffFisher
<godismyguidefore...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:58 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
FAITH CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS
Please name one mountain that faith has ever moved. Just one.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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28 Sep 2007 06:54:18 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:44:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in
<1191023096.786164.101660@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
On Sep 28, 4:05 pm, AmericanPatriotJeffFisher
<godismyguidefore...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:58 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
FAITH CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS
Please name one mountain that faith has ever moved. Just one.
Do tall buildings count?
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29 Sep 2007 04:06:02 AM |
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skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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On Sep 28, 4:05 pm, AmericanPatriotJeffFisher
<godismyguidefore...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:58 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors
into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular
trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics
prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming
"Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
skyscrapers..."
FAITH CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS
Please name one mountain that faith has ever moved. Just one.
Well, you see, there was this ant..... and a rubber tree plant.....
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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23 Sep 2007 06:10:15 AM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:30:45 -0400, "ElParedon" <serwad@bellsouth.net>
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-g
odlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
No, idiot! Every german soldier wore motto on his belt, proclaiming "Gott
mit uns" God is with us. That is hardly an atheistic proclamation
Who are you calling an idiot? I pointed out that Hitler was a theist,
not "Hitler was atheist".
Mmmm...... interesting example of not finding a 'god' in the gap......:-)
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
skyscrapers..."
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23 Sep 2007 09:21:41 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:21:11 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
As Raven points out, Hitler was a theist.
The christian variety even.
Your claim that the thesis is flawed, is flawed. Religious fanatics do
prove the inherent nature of religion, exampled by hitler, and
exampled in countless violent events throughout history. It's ability
to produce murder to the extent of genocide, misery, oppression,
physical and mental cruelty is well documented. It exploits fear and
cognitive weakness in people and promotes ignorance.
Your ignorance of these facts is another example of the inherent
tendency of religiously motivated people to distort reality- past and
present, and strangely enough even the future.
Whether you think hitler was a theist or not, my points are valid
either way.
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
"Out of convicted rapists, 57 percent admitted to reading
pornography; 95 percent admitted to reading the bible."
Anon.
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23 Sep 2007 02:15:58 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:21:11 -0400, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can
do evil; but for good people to do evil -- that takes religion"
-- Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winning physicist.
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(This space accidentally filled in)
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24 Sep 2007 12:00:11 PM |
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On Sep 22, 7:21 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
Give a clown one or two questionble facts and he thinks he's a scholar
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28 Sep 2007 06:03:58 PM |
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On Sep 22, 7:21 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangero...
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
STOP SWEARING
AND START TO TELL EVERYONE TO SCREAM A FANTASTIC GOOGLE
AL GORE JEFF FISHER WORLD PEACE
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23 Sep 2007 01:31:59 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
The tripartite division of the recent CNN series God's Warriors into
Jewish, Christian and Islamic segments conveyed its underlying
message: Religions produce murderous fanatics. That particular trope
features in all the recent spate of books proclaiming, "I am an
atheist, and if you had any brains, you would be too."
That thesis, however, is badly flawed. First, religious fanatics prove
no more about the inherent nature of religious belief than Hitler,
Hitler was a theist, you fucking idiot.
Hitler was in fact a lifelong Roman Catholic (the same sect as STrumpet,
if I've divined correctly from his choice of material to post --
STrumpet has never, so far as I know, posted any words of his own) and
he endorsed Creationism in _Mein Kampf_.
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23 Sep 2007 04:10:31 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
And total rubbish. As a European I recognise nothing here
that is written about us
For example:
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society. That which detracts from society and serves to destabalise
it is bad whilst that which helps to bind society is good.
This is why we regard marriage as good as the nurturing of
our young is vitally important and murder and crime in general
is bad because it destabilises society. Religion is also immoral
because it causes divisions in society as illustrated by this
article. It is by a Christian seeking to demonise Islam just as
Islam demonises Christianity.
A lack of religious imagination prevents pleasure-loving children of
the Enlightenment from grasping the threat of militant Islam. EU
bureaucrats consistently treat Islamophobia as a greater danger than
radical Islam. They cannot imagine that Islamic terrorists engage in
terrorism because that's what they do best, and not to advance
rational, obtainable goals.
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor. They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals. Our Police are far from complacent and
most terrorist attempts are stopped very quickly usually before
they manage to do any harm. They would not be able to take a close
watch on these people if it was not active for help from the muslim
community.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
When the danger finally slaps them in the face, Europeans respond by
assuming a posture of abject deference to Islam, in the hope they will
be treated mercifully.
Absolute rubbish
A Dutch priest urges using Allah in place of
God, the British prime minister forbids his ministers to mention the
religion of native-born Islamic terrorists, British schools cancel
classes on the Holocaust in the face of Muslim protests, BBC
broadcasters invariably add "peace be upon him" to Muhammad's name
A total lie.
I watch the BBC News several times a day as well as other programmes.
I have yet to hear them utter that phrase.
Young Europeans have chosen flight over fighting.
How many?
His only reaction to the loss of his country: "a feeling of sadness."
Idiot.
Rest of this tripe snipped.
Tin trumpet has hit a new low here
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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Sound of Trumpet
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
les_on_usenet
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society.
That doctrine - that morality is the needs of society - is fascism.
The fact that you are so confident that fascism is universally
accepted leads me to suppose you are German. Am I right? I figure
most anglo saxons would be aware that that doctrine is a wee bit
controversial, but on the other hand you write fluent idiomatic
english, which would suggest you are English.
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On 25 Sep., 04:28, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
Sound of Trumpet
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
les_on_usenet
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society.
That doctrine - that morality is the needs of society - is fascism.
Tripe.
The fact that you are so confident that fascism is universally
accepted
The fact that you lie about what others have posted is not surprising
leads me to suppose you are German. Am I right? I figure
most anglo saxons would be aware that that doctrine is a wee bit
controversial, but on the other hand you write fluent idiomatic
english, which would suggest you are English.
The fact that you write such utter tripe more than suggests that you
are an idiot.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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25 Sep 2007 07:50:14 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:28:43 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Sound of Trumpet
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
les_on_usenet
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society.
That doctrine - that morality is the needs of society - is fascism.
Tripe.
The fact that you are so confident that fascism is universally
accepted leads me to suppose you are German.
I do not recognise your strawman.
Am I right?
Since when was Yorkshire a part of Germany?
Your knowledge of geography and the current condition in
Europe is so woeful I suspect you are a USA'er who has
probably never crossed the Atlantic.
I figure
most anglo saxons would be aware that that doctrine is a wee bit
controversial,
Well certainly Christians pretend that their so called morality
is from a god when in fact it first emerged from the brains of
ancient nomadic jews with a society far more primitive than
ours.
but on the other hand you write fluent idiomatic
english, which would suggest you are English.
And you?
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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23 Sep 2007 10:09:14 PM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
And total rubbish. As a European I recognise nothing here
that is written about us
For example:
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society. That which detracts from society and serves to destabalise
it is bad whilst that which helps to bind society is good.
This is why we regard marriage as good as the nurturing of
our young is vitally important and murder and crime in general
is bad because it destabilises society. Religion is also immoral
because it causes divisions in society as illustrated by this
article. It is by a Christian seeking to demonise Islam just as
Islam demonises Christianity.
A lack of religious imagination prevents pleasure-loving children of
the Enlightenment from grasping the threat of militant Islam. EU
bureaucrats consistently treat Islamophobia as a greater danger than
radical Islam. They cannot imagine that Islamic terrorists engage in
terrorism because that's what they do best, and not to advance
rational, obtainable goals.
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor. They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals. Our Police are far from complacent and
most terrorist attempts are stopped very quickly usually before
they manage to do any harm. They would not be able to take a close
watch on these people if it was not active for help from the muslim
community.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
When the danger finally slaps them in the face, Europeans respond by
assuming a posture of abject deference to Islam, in the hope they will
be treated mercifully.
Absolute rubbish
A Dutch priest urges using Allah in place of
God, the British prime minister forbids his ministers to mention the
religion of native-born Islamic terrorists, British schools cancel
classes on the Holocaust in the face of Muslim protests, BBC
broadcasters invariably add "peace be upon him" to Muhammad's name
A total lie.
I watch the BBC News several times a day as well as other programmes.
I have yet to hear them utter that phrase.
Maybe on the Arabic part of the World Service (I don't speak Arabic, so I
can't tell), but NEVER on any of the domestic English services that I listen
to or watch.
Young Europeans have chosen flight over fighting.
How many?
Many have 'flown' to other parts of Europe (for purely economic reasons) but
few have 'flown' from Europe; fewer than have 'flown' to Europe for purely
economic reasons.
His only reaction to the loss of his country: "a feeling of sadness."
Idiot.
Rest of this tripe snipped.
Tin trumpet has hit a new low here
He can't get any lower, can he?
Smiler,
The godless one
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:09:14 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/09/09/think-again-dangerous-godlessness
Think Again: Dangerous godlessness
Filed by Jonathan Rosenblum @ 4:32 am
And total rubbish. As a European I recognise nothing here
that is written about us
For example:
Without entering into fruitless debates about whether religious or non-
religious people are more moral - fruitless since we lack even the
common moral language the Decalogue once provided
Rubbish. We have a common moral language. It is the needs of
society. That which detracts from society and serves to destabalise
it is bad whilst that which helps to bind society is good.
This is why we regard marriage as good as the nurturing of
our young is vitally important and murder and crime in general
is bad because it destabilises society. Religion is also immoral
because it causes divisions in society as illustrated by this
article. It is by a Christian seeking to demonise Islam just as
Islam demonises Christianity.
A lack of religious imagination prevents pleasure-loving children of
the Enlightenment from grasping the threat of militant Islam. EU
bureaucrats consistently treat Islamophobia as a greater danger than
radical Islam. They cannot imagine that Islamic terrorists engage in
terrorism because that's what they do best, and not to advance
rational, obtainable goals.
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor. They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals. Our Police are far from complacent and
most terrorist attempts are stopped very quickly usually before
they manage to do any harm. They would not be able to take a close
watch on these people if it was not active for help from the muslim
community.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
When the danger finally slaps them in the face, Europeans respond by
assuming a posture of abject deference to Islam, in the hope they will
be treated mercifully.
Absolute rubbish
A Dutch priest urges using Allah in place of
God, the British prime minister forbids his ministers to mention the
religion of native-born Islamic terrorists, British schools cancel
classes on the Holocaust in the face of Muslim protests, BBC
broadcasters invariably add "peace be upon him" to Muhammad's name
A total lie.
I watch the BBC News several times a day as well as other programmes.
I have yet to hear them utter that phrase.
Maybe on the Arabic part of the World Service (I don't speak Arabic, so I
can't tell), but NEVER on any of the domestic English services that I listen
to or watch.
Well, it would make sense on Arabic broadcasts, that is just being
polite particularly as the presenters would likely also be muslim
anyyway. The BBC is about promoting harmony and peace not to drive
a conflict causing wedge between peoples as the Christian evangelicals
and muslim extremist seek. All they can offer is insult and lies as
well as bombs and bullets
This was, of course the aim of the original poster. They hate a
Europe where there is mostly harmony between religions as
well as the fact that Christianity is dying. (They forget BTW there is
a sizeable Hindu population here as well) Maybe there is also
alarm at seeing rising European secular influence in the world to
the detriment of a declining USA. What better then but to
get us at one anothers throats once more?
Their blatent stirring up of hatred between religions is what
is causing most of the conflict between muslims and us in
the first place. All the muslim countries want to do is
live in peace without inteference from a dominant
Christian bully nation like the USA which acts mostly in its
own self-interest.
Young Europeans have chosen flight over fighting.
How many?
Many have 'flown' to other parts of Europe (for purely economic reasons) but
few have 'flown' from Europe; fewer than have 'flown' to Europe for purely
economic reasons.
Right, by a considerable margin.
Many left for Australia and elsewhere when the UK was still in poor
economic shape after the war but nowadays our economy is
bouyant having been in continuous growth for nearly ten years,
something which no other nation has achieved, so it has become
a nation of choice for immigration with many jobs available. We have
to beat them off at our borders as they clamour to get in.
Places like Spain, Portugal and France are popular places to live
in but in these cases they are moving there for the sun and
the relaxed lifestyle. They don't surrender their British passport
when they go and can quickly return when they want.
His only reaction to the loss of his country: "a feeling of sadness."
Idiot.
Rest of this tripe snipped.
Tin trumpet has hit a new low here
He can't get any lower, can he?
I don't know why he continues to post here. He totally
discredited himself long ago and is just a figure of fun now.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:10:31 +0100, les_on_usenet
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor.
Pew Global attitudes survey:
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=165
About one third to two thirds of Muslims supported suicide bombing.
Support has declined substantially now that Al Quaeda has been blowing
up mosques and muslims, but it still pretty high, and will doubtless
rise again once a few more Jews and Americans are murdered.
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide bombing, in line
with the results of Muslim majority countries. It is a minority, but
it is a fairly large minority.
They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals.
It is fairly routine for artists and comedians to skewer Jesus Christ
and the apostles. No one is going to skewer Mohammed. Actions speak
louder than words. Europeans are terrified of their Muslim minority.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
Recently a British television station infiltrated a bunch of mosques,
and furtively videotaped a bunch of preachers preaching war and
terrorism. They showed the tapes on TV. The police reacted swiftly -
by charging the TV station with furthering racial hatred!
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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28 Sep 2007 09:00:02 AM |
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On 25 Sep., 04:50, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:10:31 +0100, les_on_usenet
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor.
Pew Global attitudes survey:http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=165
About one third to two thirds of Muslims supported suicide bombing.
Support has declined substantially now that Al Quaeda has been blowing
up mosques and muslims, but it still pretty high, and will doubtless
rise again once a few more Jews and Americans are murdered.
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide bombing, in line
with the results of Muslim majority countries. It is a minority, but
it is a fairly large minority.
The question was whether or not suicide bombing could be justified.
That is not quite the same thing as justifying particular targets.
Furthermore many in the US would applaud and have applauded American
soldiers who have delibrately given up their own lives to destroy
enemy targets.
They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals.
It is fairly routine for artists and comedians to skewer Jesus Christ
and the apostles. No one is going to skewer Mohammed. Actions speak
louder than words. Europeans are terrified of their Muslim minority.
The above falsely suggests that we are afraid of people just because
they are Moslems. I deal with Moslems every single day and have neve
had an unpleasant experience. We even make fun of Islam and
Christianity.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
Recently a British television station infiltrated a bunch of mosques,
and furtively videotaped a bunch of preachers preaching war and
terrorism. They showed the tapes on TV. The police reacted swiftly -
by charging the TV station with furthering racial hatred!
right!
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:50:54 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:10:31 +0100, les_on_usenet
It is a tiiny minority of muslims who engage in terrorism which
the majority muslims abhor.
Pew Global attitudes survey:
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=165
About one third to two thirds of Muslims supported suicide bombing.
Support has declined substantially now that Al Quaeda has been blowing
up mosques and muslims, but it still pretty high, and will doubtless
rise again once a few more Jews and Americans are murdered.
Yes well let's keep the trend downwards.
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide bombing, in line
with the results of Muslim majority countries. It is a minority, but
it is a fairly large minority.
Let's keep it that way shall we by welcoming then and by showing
them that we are not a threat to them. The kind of poison that you
wish to spread will only serve to radicalise them. They face enough
racial discrimination already.
They are actively assisting us in
catching these criminals.
It is fairly routine for artists and comedians to skewer Jesus Christ
and the apostles.
Hardly suprising Chrisinsanity is so stipod it almost begs to be
mocked
No one is going to skewer Mohammed.
Probably because we are not familiar with the religion.
Actions speak
louder than words. Europeans are terrified of their Muslim minority.
Are you a European? Maybe a few radical Christians might be
but they are an irrelevance here. Most Christians here get on
quite well with muslims. Only a tiy minority like the BNP hate
the muslims and seek to drive a wedge between us. Other
racists do not make a distinction between muslim asians and
former Carribean Christians attacking them with equal
viciousness do the disgust of us all.
Whe our Police raided a mosque recently and ousted an
extremist group they were applauded by muslim when they
handed that mosque back to them. Now they carry out their
mumbo-jumbo worship in peace again.
Recently a British television station infiltrated a bunch of mosques,
and furtively videotaped a bunch of preachers preaching war and
terrorism. They showed the tapes on TV. The police reacted swiftly -
by charging the TV station with furthering racial hatred!
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a wedge between
peoples so you can have another lovely war against the people you
have choosen to hate. Will atheist be next when you have removed
your percieved threat from moslems? Has not the world not yet
seen aenough conflict without the likes of you trying to cause
more.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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James A. Donald
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide
bombing, in line with the results of Muslim majority
countries. It is a minority, but it is a fairly
large minority.
les_on_usenet
Let's keep it that way shall we by welcoming then and
by showing them that we are not a threat to them.
The conduct of Europeans shows that they are threatened
and intimidated.
No one is going to skewer Mohammed.
Probably because we are not familiar with the
religion.
The BBC has a web page on Mohammed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A22691559
It has an analogous web page on Jesus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/jesus_1.shtml
One page reports the orthodox Islamic version of
Mohammed's life as fact, as history, even where we have
independent historical evidence that the official
version was a self serving lie. The other reports the
Christian version of Jesus's life as "what Christians
believe", not as fact.
The conspicuous difference between these two pages shows
that the European elite is terrified of its Muslim
minority.
Similarly, we see British prisoners converting to Islam,
because being a Muslim in prison entitles you to better
food. Islamic terror is getting results! They are
winning, the British are losing.
Are you a European? Maybe a few radical Christians
might be but they are an irrelevance here. Most
Christians here get on quite well with muslims.
Indeed they do, but Muslims do not get on well with
Christians. Muslims regularly insult and humiliate
people of other religions, and people of other religions
swallow hard and take it. Further, conversion is one
way. If a Christian converts to Islam, that is fine,
but if a Muslim openly rejects Islam, he is likely to be
murdered, and the frightened, cowardly, and cowed
British police will look the other way.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/2005/reynalds030205.htm
We are seeing a little bit of the same in America and
Australia, but the fear and collapse of will is
considerably more apparent among the English, and even
more apparent upon the other side of the channel,
notably in the infamous incident where a small handful
of swaggering Muslims cowed and humiliated an entire
train full of frightened infidels, all of whom sat tight
and hoped that their turn would not come as the Muslims
robbed, groped, and raped.
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a
wedge between peoples
Tolerance has to go both ways. That it only goes one
way inconveniences me. You are attacking those who
don't frighten you, in the hope of appeasing those who
do frighten you. You will not succeed in appeasing
them, but you may well succeed in harming me. You are
stewing up hatred, and spitting upon those who do not
threaten you - because they do not threaten you. This
sort of "tolerance", your "tolerance", threatens me more
immediately than what the Muslims are up to. You are
bigger threat to me than Muslims, because Muslim
violence is merely tolerated, not committed, by the
state, but your violence is apt to be committed by the
state, in a vain hope of appeasing the unappeasable.
By unmasking you as the frightened coward that you are,
I diminish the state's incentive to use violence against
people like me, since that state violence is in large
part committed to conceal failure and fear.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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26 Sep 2007 11:07:57 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide
bombing, in line with the results of Muslim majority
countries. It is a minority, but it is a fairly
large minority.
les_on_usenet
Let's keep it that way shall we by welcoming then and
by showing them that we are not a threat to them.
The conduct of Europeans shows that they are threatened
and intimidated.
Yep, James sees it every day when he steps out of his house.......
No one is going to skewer Mohammed.
Probably because we are not familiar with the
religion.
The BBC has a web page on Mohammed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A22691559
It has an analogous web page on Jesus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/jesus_1.shtml
One page reports the orthodox Islamic version of
Mohammed's life as fact, as history, even where we have
independent historical evidence that the official
version was a self serving lie. The other reports the
Christian version of Jesus's life as "what Christians
believe", not as fact.
The conspicuous difference between these two pages shows
that the European elite is terrified of its Muslim
minority.
Similarly, we see British prisoners converting to Islam,
because being a Muslim in prison entitles you to better
food. Islamic terror is getting results! They are
winning, the British are losing.
Are you a European? Maybe a few radical Christians
might be but they are an irrelevance here. Most
Christians here get on quite well with muslims.
Indeed they do, but Muslims do not get on well with
Christians. Muslims regularly insult and humiliate
people of other religions, and people of other religions
swallow hard and take it. Further, conversion is one
way. If a Christian converts to Islam, that is fine,
but if a Muslim openly rejects Islam, he is likely to be
murdered, and the frightened, cowardly, and cowed
British police will look the other way.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/2005/reynalds030205.htm
We are seeing a little bit of the same in America and
Australia, but the fear and collapse of will is
considerably more apparent among the English, and even
more apparent upon the other side of the channel,
notably in the infamous incident where a small handful
of swaggering Muslims cowed and humiliated an entire
train full of frightened infidels, all of whom sat tight
and hoped that their turn would not come as the Muslims
robbed, groped, and raped.
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a
wedge between peoples
Tolerance has to go both ways. That it only goes one
way inconveniences me. You are attacking those who
don't frighten you, in the hope of appeasing those who
do frighten you. You will not succeed in appeasing
them, but you may well succeed in harming me. You are
stewing up hatred, and spitting upon those who do not
threaten you - because they do not threaten you. This
sort of "tolerance", your "tolerance", threatens me more
immediately than what the Muslims are up to. You are
bigger threat to me than Muslims, because Muslim
violence is merely tolerated, not committed, by the
state, but your violence is apt to be committed by the
state, in a vain hope of appeasing the unappeasable.
By unmasking you as the frightened coward that you are,
I diminish the state's incentive to use violence against
people like me, since that state violence is in large
part committed to conceal failure and fear.
You have to laugh, James thinks being peaceful is a violent threat against
himself, whereas his notion of threatening to nail preachers heads to
temples, bomb congregations at prayer, kill all the adult muslim males and
castrate the male muslim children (he still hasn't told us what should be
done with the women) is the very epitome of reasonable discussion which can
only lead to peace and justice for all...
Biggets laugh of all is James 'unmasking' all these 'frightened cowards'.
Well, when you get back from Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi, etc, having killed
your 300million muslim males and castrated all their sons, after nailing
their preachers heads to the temple walls, perhaps you will sound less like
a miserable armchair strategist and more like a man who's words 'are of
iron', James. But no, you want the State to do that for you James, don't
you, rather than use tax dollars back home.
You seek to diminish the states use of violence agaisnt yourself, mainly by
shouting very loudly that they should go use it against some-one else.
Very libertarian, indeed.
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| Title: Re: Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
27 Sep 2007 04:37:33 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:35:48 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
James A. Donald
About a quarter of Western Muslims support suicide
bombing, in line with the results of Muslim majority
countries. It is a minority, but it is a fairly
large minority.
les_on_usenet
Let's keep it that way shall we by welcoming then and
by showing them that we are not a threat to them.
The conduct of Europeans shows that they are threatened
and intimidated.
No one is going to skewer Mohammed.
Probably because we are not familiar with the
religion.
The BBC has a web page on Mohammed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A22691559
It has an analogous web page on Jesus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/jesus_1.shtml
One page reports the orthodox Islamic version of
Mohammed's life as fact, as history, even where we have
independent historical evidence that the official
version was a self serving lie. The other reports the
Christian version of Jesus's life as "what Christians
believe", not as fact.
The conspicuous difference between these two pages shows
that the European elite is terrified of its Muslim
minority.
Similarly, we see British prisoners converting to Islam,
because being a Muslim in prison entitles you to better
food. Islamic terror is getting results! They are
winning, the British are losing.
Are you a European? Maybe a few radical Christians
might be but they are an irrelevance here. Most
Christians here get on quite well with muslims.
Indeed they do, but Muslims do not get on well with
Christians. Muslims regularly insult and humiliate
people of other religions, and people of other religions
swallow hard and take it. Further, conversion is one
way. If a Christian converts to Islam, that is fine,
but if a Muslim openly rejects Islam, he is likely to be
murdered, and the frightened, cowardly, and cowed
British police will look the other way.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/2005/reynalds030205.htm
We are seeing a little bit of the same in America and
Australia, but the fear and collapse of will is
considerably more apparent among the English, and even
more apparent upon the other side of the channel,
notably in the infamous incident where a small handful
of swaggering Muslims cowed and humiliated an entire
train full of frightened infidels, all of whom sat tight
and hoped that their turn would not come as the Muslims
robbed, groped, and raped.
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a
wedge between peoples
Tolerance has to go both ways. That it only goes one
way inconveniences me. You are attacking those who
don't frighten you, in the hope of appeasing those who
do frighten you. You will not succeed in appeasing
them, but you may well succeed in harming me. You are
stewing up hatred, and spitting upon those who do not
threaten you - because they do not threaten you. This
sort of "tolerance", your "tolerance", threatens me more
immediately than what the Muslims are up to. You are
bigger threat to me than Muslims, because Muslim
violence is merely tolerated, not committed, by the
state, but your violence is apt to be committed by the
state, in a vain hope of appeasing the unappeasable.
By unmasking you as the frightened coward that you are,
I diminish the state's incentive to use violence against
people like me, since that state violence is in large
part committed to conceal failure and fear.
I asked you what YOUR agenda was, not to provide me
with your strawman version of mine.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
25 Sep 2007 11:36:10 PM |
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On Sep 25, 8:39 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
wrote:
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a wedge between
peoples so you can have another lovely war against the people you
have choosen to hate. Will atheist be next when you have removed
your percieved threat from moslems? Has not the world not yet
seen aenough conflict without the likes of you trying to cause
more.
You have no idea what the person you're addressing is like, and your
fantasies about him are nothing more than a product of your
imagination. Generally speaking, it's a good idea not to confuse
fantasy with reality. So how about you stop doing that.
Not that I really care. If you want to waste your mind and your life,
please do.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
26 Sep 2007 06:00:19 AM |
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<constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190781370.927112.138640@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:39 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
wrote:
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a wedge between
peoples so you can have another lovely war against the people you
have choosen to hate. Will atheist be next when you have removed
your percieved threat from moslems? Has not the world not yet
seen aenough conflict without the likes of you trying to cause
more.
You have no idea what the person you're addressing is like, and your
fantasies about him are nothing more than a product of your
imagination. Generally speaking, it's a good idea not to confuse
fantasy with reality. So how about you stop doing that.
You talking to James, Constance?
Not that I really care. If you want to waste your mind and your life,
please do.
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
26 Sep 2007 04:59:42 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:36:10 -0000, wrote:
On Sep 25, 8:39 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
wrote:
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a wedge between
peoples so you can have another lovely war against the people you
have choosen to hate. Will atheist be next when you have removed
your percieved threat from moslems? Has not the world not yet
seen aenough conflict without the likes of you trying to cause
more.
You have no idea what the person you're addressing is like, and your
fantasies about him are nothing more than a product of your
imagination.
What fantasies? I was asking questions so I could learn
what his agenda was.
It is not unknown for interested parties to foster division for
their own ends.
I did not say he was actually attempting to driving a wedge
but asked him if he was. Seems he is unable to unwilling to
answer. Or are you perhaps his sock puppet or apologist?
Generally speaking, it's a good idea not to confuse
fantasy with reality. So how about you stop doing that.
Which is why I asked the questions so as to give him the opportunity
to explain himself. It is the reality of his reason for his post I
am trying to determne.
Why do you think he/(you?) was posting all those lies and
gross distortions about us? Simple ignorance perhaps? There
must be some reasons for them so what is it?
Not that I really care. If you want to waste your mind and your life,
please do.
My life is not wasted, it is spent partially trying to build a
stronger more tolerant and peaceful Europe against those (such as the
Islamic terrorist) who seek to divide us. We had had more than enough
conflict here.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Dangerous Godlessness Is Killing Europe |
27 Sep 2007 04:02:52 PM |
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On Sep 26, 5:59 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:36:10 -0000, wrote:
On Sep 25, 8:39 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
wrote:
What is your agenda here?Are you trying to drive a wedge between
peoples so you can have another lovely war against the people you
have choosen to hate. Will atheist be next when you have removed
your percieved threat from moslems? Has not the world not yet
seen aenough conflict without the likes of you trying to cause
more.
You have no idea what the person you're addressing is like, and your
fantasies about him are nothing more than a product of your
imagination.
What fantasies? I was asking questions so I could learn
what his agenda was.
You were also making assertions. A genuine question would not include
phrases like,
"the people you have choosen to hate"
which does not ask whether he has chosen to hate, but rather asserts
that he has,
or
"the likes of you trying to cause more."
which does not ask whether he is trying to cause more, but rather
asserts that he is.
These are not genuine questions, they are attacks on the character of
the person you are speaking to. They are not even attacks based on
truth, but are your own fantasies about the person you are addressing.
And while you are busy distracting your mind with your own fantasies,
reality passes you by.
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