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"Dr Hemp" |
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04 Feb 2006 06:13:25 PM |
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Danish cartoons are a bit lame |
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
Chris.
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04 Feb 2006 06:26:30 PM |
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"Dr Hemp" <drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk> schreef in bericht
news:1139098405.444828.319740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
Apparently ANY cartoon depicting ANY subject related to Islam will "provoke"
muslims. I mean, after Israel/Afghanistan/Iraq they profoundly hate "the
West" anyway.
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| User: "FreeRide" |
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04 Feb 2006 07:38:07 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:26:30 +0100, Lukas Mariman wrote:
they profoundly hate
Islam is a relgion based on hatered, it is a evil relgion.
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04 Feb 2006 07:56:22 PM |
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FreeRide <freeride@maillinux.org> wrote in news:wFcFf.2638$MJ.1576
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:26:30 +0100, Lukas Mariman wrote:
they profoundly hate
Islam is a relgion based on hatered, it is a evil relgion.
Isn't "evil religion" just a little bit redundant?
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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06 Feb 2006 04:50:15 PM |
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"Isn't 'evil religion' just a little bit redundant?"
Inasmuch as the twentieth century saw scores of millions killed at the
hands of secular regimes that believed they were implementing various
utopias lent certain success by the achievements of modernity alone,
no, I don't think "evil religion" is any more redundant than merely
"evil humanity."
I have little but contempt for Hamas, for example, but they've done
more for Palestinian welfare from the standpoint of social structure
than the entire PA has done in more than 20 years. Many involved
Palestinians are religiously motivated. Their brethren are religiously
motivated to do definite evils.
This is equally true of secularists. Some are motivated to do good,
others to do evil. Most, to do both.
Calling any one thing good or evil, or scapegoating religion after what
the world experienced during the 20th century, is absurd. One needn't
dismiss Islam itself as evil (even if one thinks it bogus) to judge
many acts committed in its name to be, yes, evil.
The moment you try tracing evil to one particular cause, if you're
honest you'll find that evil is fairly universal.
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| User: "James Calivar" |
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06 Feb 2006 11:45:32 PM |
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wrote:
"Isn't 'evil religion' just a little bit redundant?"
Inasmuch as the twentieth century saw scores of millions killed at the
hands of secular regimes that believed they were implementing various
utopias lent certain success by the achievements of modernity alone,
no, I don't think "evil religion" is any more redundant than merely
"evil humanity."
I have little but contempt for Hamas, for example, but they've done
more for Palestinian welfare from the standpoint of social structure
than the entire PA has done in more than 20 years. Many involved
Palestinians are religiously motivated. Their brethren are religiously
motivated to do definite evils.
This is equally true of secularists. Some are motivated to do good,
others to do evil. Most, to do both.
Calling any one thing good or evil, or scapegoating religion after what
the world experienced during the 20th century, is absurd. One needn't
dismiss Islam itself as evil (even if one thinks it bogus) to judge
many acts committed in its name to be, yes, evil.
The moment you try tracing evil to one particular cause, if you're
honest you'll find that evil is fairly universal.
My gosh, this is one of the most lucid posts I've ever read. Except for
the part where he excuses Islam for its inherent violence.
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07 Feb 2006 06:52:37 PM |
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It may be that Islam is essentially violent. I won't pretend to
expertise on the question. But it's true that many Muslims are not
violent. Whether this is because they reject violence in their
tradition, deny it, or just don't find it, I don't know.
I just think generalizations about "religion" and evil are idiotic in
the wake of the last century. When we get down to individual cases, and
specific human instances of belief in action (be they "orthodox"
beliefs of a faith or fringe interpretations of wackos), there's plenty
of room for condemnation or congratulations, variously.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Feb 2006 09:43:30 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2006 16:52:37 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1139359957.531574.23270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
It may be that Islam is essentially violent. I won't pretend to
expertise on the question. But it's true that many Muslims are not
violent. Whether this is because they reject violence in their
tradition, deny it, or just don't find it, I don't know.
I just think generalizations about "religion" and evil are idiotic in
the wake of the last century. When we get down to individual cases, and
specific human instances of belief in action (be they "orthodox"
beliefs of a faith or fringe interpretations of wackos), there's plenty
of room for condemnation or congratulations, variously.
So, by your logic, we should not generalize about genocidal maniacs
being "bad", as some of them have done a few good deeds?
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08 Feb 2006 05:40:52 PM |
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:::sigh:::
James generalized not about the subset of Muslims who happen to be
genocidal maniacs, He spoke of "the part where he excuses Islam for its
inherent violence." He was generalizing about Islam, not maniacs (not
all Muslims are maniacs). Now you're talking as if I'm objecting to
generalizing about the subset of Muslims who are genocidal maniacs. I
have no idea how you can intuit or infer that from the foregoing. :-/
"By my logic," we're not generalizing without warrant to a class when
we narrow the class from "Muslim" to "genocidal maniacs." We're merely
being descriptive.
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| User: "Sgeo" |
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04 Feb 2006 09:04:22 PM |
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FreeRide wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:26:30 +0100, Lukas Mariman wrote:
they profoundly hate
Islam is a relgion based on hatered, it is a evil relgion.
All religion can said to be based somewhat on hatred. In my experience, most
people generally are good people in spite of religion. Why should one
religion be considered more "evil" than another?
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| User: "quibbler" |
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04 Feb 2006 08:42:45 PM |
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In article <wFcFf.2638$MJ.1576@fed1read07>,
says...
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:26:30 +0100, Lukas Mariman wrote:
they profoundly hate
Islam is a relgion based on hatered,
Xianity is a religion of hatred too. They just lie about it. But look
at whether xians really love their enemies. They don't love their muslim
enemies. They hate them. How many xians "love" bin laden, like Jebus
commanded? All religions hate those who disagree with them and only
"love" those who do what they agree with.
it is a evil relgion.
Islam is a bit more overt about its blood-thirsty impulses, but just
about all religions, including the crusading xian and genocidal jewish
religion have these features.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "N A H N A H@" |
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04 Feb 2006 09:09:10 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
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"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times,
run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because
there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."
- Queen Margrethe II of Denmark - April 4, 2006
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| User: "quibbler" |
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04 Feb 2006 09:34:33 PM |
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In article <22rau11j9kfth7ota7pr3mad1pr5i0h3cn@4ax.com>, N A H <N A H@>
says...
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Well considering that Bin Laden wants theocracy and would execute all
atheists if he had the chance, I suspect that not many atheists would
like him. However, more importantly, you seem to have missed the very
obvious point. Xians are COMMANDED by JESUS to "love their enemies".
Atheists are under no such obligation.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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04 Feb 2006 09:40:19 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:34:33 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <22rau11j9kfth7ota7pr3mad1pr5i0h3cn@4ax.com>, N A H <N A H@>
says...
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Well considering that Bin Laden wants theocracy and would execute all
atheists if he had the chance, I suspect that not many atheists would
like him. However, more importantly, you seem to have missed the very
obvious point. Xians are COMMANDED by JESUS to "love their enemies".
Atheists are under no such obligation.
People not 'of the book', you for example, are the first to be
slaughtered under Sharia law...
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"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times,
run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because
there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."
- Queen Margrethe II of Denmark - April 4, 2006
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04 Feb 2006 11:22:04 PM |
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In article <crsau1pn2b7ejoo21t97jr3h1d1baen2p5@4ax.com>, N A H <N A H@>
says...
People not 'of the book', you for example, are the first to be
slaughtered under Sharia law...
They can try, but I'm gonna take a whole lotta them diaper heads out in
the process, if I have to go.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Feb 2006 04:43:07 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:40:19 -0600, N A H <N A H@> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:34:33 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <22rau11j9kfth7ota7pr3mad1pr5i0h3cn@4ax.com>, N A H <N A H@>
says...
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Well considering that Bin Laden wants theocracy and would execute all
atheists if he had the chance, I suspect that not many atheists would
like him. However, more importantly, you seem to have missed the very
obvious point. Xians are COMMANDED by JESUS to "love their enemies".
Atheists are under no such obligation.
People not 'of the book', you for example, are the first to be
slaughtered under Sharia law...
I see you're too damned cowardly to address the points raised.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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06 Feb 2006 04:40:19 PM |
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N A H wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Loving your enemy, turning the other cheek, are Christian tenents.
There is no atheist anology.
Peter
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"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times,
run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because
there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."
- Queen Margrethe II of Denmark - April 4, 2006
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| User: "quibbler" |
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06 Feb 2006 10:55:22 PM |
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In article <1139265619.162510.296190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
grendlemonster@hotmail.com says...
N A H wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Loving your enemy, turning the other cheek,
Actually, they are humanistic standards that have zero to do with any
kind of god. Jesus clearly just ripped off fortune cookie nostrums which
other rabbis had been teaching for decades and centuries earlier.
are Christian tenents.
It's questionable that one could find a single, significantly original
teaching in all of xianity.
There is no atheist anology.
Atheists can be nice to people, show mercy, try to make peace with our
former enemies, etc. There is nothing religious or even profound about
this. Much of it is common sense. You try to patch things up with your
enemies instead of constantly fighting some bloody feud forever.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Feb 2006 07:39:10 PM |
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On 6 Feb 2006 14:40:19 -0800, "Peter" <grendlemonster@hotmail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
N A H wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Loving your enemy, turning the other cheek, are Christian tenents.
They're not followed.
There is no atheist anology.
Peter
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
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05 Feb 2006 04:42:22 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:09:10 -0600, N A H <N A H@> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:42:45 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
How many xians "love" bin laden
How many atheists love bin Laden?
Xtains are commanded to love others.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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05 Feb 2006 12:47:46 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:38:07 -0700, FreeRide <freeride@maillinux.org>
wrote:
- Refer: <wFcFf.2638$MJ.1576@fed1read07>
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:26:30 +0100, Lukas Mariman wrote:
they profoundly hate
Islam is a relgion based on hatered, it is a evil relgion.
Name a religion that isn't.
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05 Feb 2006 06:19:55 AM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:ejtau1t8iogbb7gtnsneclm4vcn17ko8q4@4ax.com:
Islam is a relgion based on hatered,
it is a evil relgion.
Name a religion that isn't.
Christianity. Christians know the basics of English grammar: Christianity
is an evil religion.
In Christ's name we pay.
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http://tinyurl.com/9flus
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05 Feb 2006 04:44:04 PM |
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On 05 Feb 2006 12:19:55 GMT, "Christian Revivor "
<http://mail.chelmsfordbaptist.com/> wrote in alt.atheism
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:ejtau1t8iogbb7gtnsneclm4vcn17ko8q4@4ax.com:
Islam is a relgion based on hatered,
it is a evil relgion.
Name a religion that isn't.
Christianity. Christians know the basics of English grammar: Christianity
is an evil religion.
In Christ's name we pay.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHH
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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06 Feb 2006 05:31:33 AM |
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On 05 Feb 2006 12:19:55 GMT, "Christian Revivor "
<http://mail.chelmsfordbaptist.com/> wrote:
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:ejtau1t8iogbb7gtnsneclm4vcn17ko8q4@4ax.com:
Islam is a relgion based on hatered,
it is a evil relgion.
Name a religion that isn't.
Christianity. Christians know the basics of English grammar: Christianity
is an evil religion.
In Christ's name we pay.
You forgot two letters in 'pay':
In Christ's name we prey.
There now, that's better!
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05 Feb 2006 04:51:30 PM |
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Dr Hemp wrote:
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
that's really funny, maybe you could make it into a video with some
action scenes and put in on TV? now that should get the pious little
marsupials worked up into a real frenzy.
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| User: "Dr Hemp" |
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06 Feb 2006 04:35:51 PM |
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The web site that this image, published on http://allah.compactxxx.com/
which claims to offer free adult images and websites for free has
censored this within 48 hours. However, I only put it on that site, as
I drew the image at home and didn't have the passwords to this site, so
here it is again
sorry prudes, you cannot censor this
http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/cartoons/
also if anyone else has images that may be offensive to either
Christians or Muslims, please email them to and we
will happily publish them on this web site. We believe freedom of
speech is more important than protecting the sensitivities of people
without a sense of humour.
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04 Feb 2006 07:28:47 PM |
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Dr Hemp wrote:
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
Chris.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/10.htm
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The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "quibbler" |
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04 Feb 2006 07:32:04 PM |
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In article <1139098405.444828.319740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk says...
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
I guess I'll have to be the first to say it, "Now that's what I call
being hung on the cross"
<yuk, yuk, yuk>
Of course, it is a bit tough for a guy born in the seventh century to go
back in time hundreds of years to slob the knob of jebus, but I suppose
that allah works in mysterious ways.
BTW, I too crudely collected together and photoshopped a few existing
cartoons about mohammed. It's at this crummy site here
http://quib.bravehost.com/
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05 Feb 2006 04:41:21 PM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 16:13:25 -0800, "Dr Hemp" <drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk>
wrote in alt.atheism
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
Found these elsewhere;
http://www.imagedemon.com/image.asp?pic=6&id=060205134438-685445703&name=&up=&s=2
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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06 Feb 2006 02:18:46 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 16:13:25 -0800, "Dr Hemp" <drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk>
wrote:
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
Chris.
Those are just normal political cartoons. BFD.
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04 Feb 2006 06:16:44 PM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 16:13:25 -0800, "Dr Hemp" <drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk> wrote:
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
If they do print it, I can assure you that it won't be the Christians
calling for beheadings, holocaust etc.
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oderint dum metuant
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| User: "erikc" |
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| Title: Re: Danish cartoons are a bit lame |
10 Feb 2006 01:12:33 PM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 16:13:25 -0800, "Dr Hemp" <drhemp@canedintotnes.co.uk> wrote:
I don't think those cartoons published in those Danish newspapers are
particularly offensive. I was quite disappointed when I found them on
the net (http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm) and cannot
see what all the fuss is about.
I notched this up in 10 minutes and I'm sure both Christians and
Muslims would find it much more offensive. Do you think any Danish
newspapers will print it?
http://allah.compactxxx.com/
Chris.
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