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"Gregory Gadow" |
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05 Nov 2003 09:25:36 AM |
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Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
05 Nov 2003 10:21:01 AM |
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Gregory Gadow says
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
Why then does the article refer to "Old Norse Mythology"?
:-)
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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05 Nov 2003 10:36:41 AM |
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Jenny6833A wrote:
Gregory Gadow says
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
Why then does the article refer to "Old Norse Mythology"?
:-)
I made the assumption (based on some scholarship) that the Danish groups that
worship Odin, Thor and the other Aesir (and presumably the Vanir, as well)
worships the Danish version of those deities. And anyway, the traditional
stomping grounds of the Norse gods does include Denmark :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
06 Nov 2003 09:15:21 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FA92719.AF4C53EA@serv.net>...
Jenny6833A wrote:
I made the assumption (based on some scholarship) that the Danish groups that
worship Odin, Thor and the other Aesir (and presumably the Vanir, as well)
worships the Danish version of those deities. And anyway, the traditional
stomping grounds of the Norse gods does include Denmark :-)
I remember reading how Vikings slaughtered priests in English
monasteries during raids. They were always referred to as "heathens"
by the christians, portrayed as highly aggressive barbarians and true
enemies of christianity. And it's finally coming to Denmark!
So will they revive the use of runes you think?
There is a good book written by J. Gwyn called "A History of the
Vikings". I looked through the content pages and it looks like a
complete history of the Viking age.
I do have to warn ya that this form of paganism has attracted many
people of shady characters and ideologies. I think you all know what I
mean.
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| User: "socode" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:56:46 AM |
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Born Again Atheist wrote:
I remember reading how Vikings slaughtered priests in English
monasteries during raids. They were always referred to as "heathens"
by the christians, portrayed as highly aggressive barbarians and true
enemies of christianity.
Indeed, because as we all know, Christians were peaceful little fragile
flowers at the time with solid commitments to universal human rights.
socode
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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07 Nov 2003 08:24:27 AM |
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socode wrote:
Born Again Atheist wrote:
I remember reading how Vikings slaughtered priests in English
monasteries during raids. They were always referred to as "heathens"
by the christians, portrayed as highly aggressive barbarians and true
enemies of christianity.
Indeed, because as we all know, Christians were peaceful little fragile
flowers at the time with solid commitments to universal human rights.
Actually, the Celtic Christianity in much of England at that time really
WAS peaceful, with a strong sense of equality that included women holding
positions of authority and a pragmatic acceptance of differing religions
and cultures.
Christianity was introduced very early in England. Legend has it that it
was none other than Joseph of Arimathea, the wealthy merchant who provided
Jesus' tomb, who brought Christianity (along with several relics) to
establish a community of believers at what is now Glastonbury. From there,
it spread, adopting many of the customs and practices of the Celtic pagans.
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine. It was during a period
of Celtic ascendancy, when the rest of Christian Europe was fighting off
the barbarians from the east, that the holy days were declared fixed at,
unsurprisingly, the ancient Celtic holy days.
This distinctive form of Christianity became threatened after the
withdrawal of the Roman Legions from Britannia at the end of the 5th
century. Several waves of Saxon invaders came close to wiping out the
British culture; but the qualities of Celtic Christianity ended up coopting
the Saxons, who adopted that religion and added some unique characteristics
of their own.
It would not be until 697 that Roman Catholicism would be introduced. At
the order of Pope Gregory (the Great), a man named Augustine was sent to
the kingdom of Kent. There, he established a community of Roman Christians,
a very different religion than the native Celtic variety. Augustine
established a monestary at Canterbury and managed to convert the King of
Kent, Aethelbert. The two religions clashed often, with Roman in the south
and east and Celtic everywhere else. It would not be until the Danish
invasion of the north east that Celtic Christianity would be seriously
weakened, and it would take the invasion of staunchly Roman Catholic
Normans in 1066 and the subsequent centuries of harsh rule to wipe it out
completely.
In short, don't confuse an ancient and now pretty much extinct variety of
Christianity that actually lives Jesus' teachings with the brutality and
lust for domination that is distinctive of Roman Christianity and its
derivatives.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:28:16 PM |
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Christianity was introduced very early in England. Legend has it that it
was none other than Joseph of Arimathea, the wealthy merchant who provided
Jesus' tomb, who brought Christianity (along with several relics) to
establish a community of believers at what is now Glastonbury. From there,
it spread, adopting many of the customs and practices of the Celtic pagans.
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine. It was during a period
of Celtic ascendancy, when the rest of Christian Europe was fighting off
the barbarians from the east, that the holy days were declared fixed at,
unsurprisingly, the ancient Celtic holy days.
Just a little nitpicking here. There were no "English" bishops at Nicea or
anywhere else as the pagan Angle, Saxon and Jutish tribesmen were still in what
is now Jutland and Schlesweig-Holstein. The term you want to use is "British"
which refers to the groups of varying Celtic-origin tribes which formed the
native population which adopted Roman culture and in many cases, Roman
citizenship. (this was opposed to the pre-Celtic peoples, aka the Prydyn)
Britannia was indeed the "Last loyal province" of the Empire and left to fend
for itself against the Anglo-Saxon invasions when the Empire disintegrated in
the 5th and 6th centuries.
It is indeed a bit of irony that Irish, Scots and Welsh separatists continually
complain about the "Brits" when it is THEY who are actual descendants of the
Romano-Celtic British. The people they complain about are the non-native
English who came from Denmark and northern Germany.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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07 Nov 2003 03:45:54 PM |
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Lord Calvert wrote:
Christianity was introduced very early in England. Legend has it that it
was none other than Joseph of Arimathea, the wealthy merchant who provided
Jesus' tomb, who brought Christianity (along with several relics) to
establish a community of believers at what is now Glastonbury. From there,
it spread, adopting many of the customs and practices of the Celtic pagans.
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine. It was during a period
of Celtic ascendancy, when the rest of Christian Europe was fighting off
the barbarians from the east, that the holy days were declared fixed at,
unsurprisingly, the ancient Celtic holy days.
Just a little nitpicking here. There were no "English" bishops at Nicea or
anywhere else as the pagan Angle, Saxon and Jutish tribesmen were still in what
is now Jutland and Schlesweig-Holstein. The term you want to use is "British"
which refers to the groups of varying Celtic-origin tribes which formed the
native population which adopted Roman culture and in many cases, Roman
citizenship. (this was opposed to the pre-Celtic peoples, aka the Prydyn)
Britannia was indeed the "Last loyal province" of the Empire and left to fend
for itself against the Anglo-Saxon invasions when the Empire disintegrated in
the 5th and 6th centuries.
It is indeed a bit of irony that Irish, Scots and Welsh separatists continually
complain about the "Brits" when it is THEY who are actual descendants of the
Romano-Celtic British. The people they complain about are the non-native
English who came from Denmark and northern Germany.
Pththththt! I meant English in the sense of "from England" :-P But from a nitpicky
point of view, you are entirely correct.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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07 Nov 2003 05:34:54 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FABAB1B.26AC7144@serv.net>...
socode wrote:
Born Again Atheist wrote:
I remember reading how Vikings slaughtered priests in English
monasteries during raids. They were always referred to as "heathens"
by the christians, portrayed as highly aggressive barbarians and true
enemies of christianity.
Indeed, because as we all know, Christians were peaceful little fragile
flowers at the time with solid commitments to universal human rights.
Actually, the Celtic Christianity in much of England at that time really
WAS peaceful, with a strong sense of equality that included women holding
positions of authority and a pragmatic acceptance of differing religions
and cultures.
Christianity was introduced very early in England. Legend has it that it
was none other than Joseph of Arimathea, the wealthy merchant who provided
Jesus' tomb, who brought Christianity (along with several relics) to
establish a community of believers at what is now Glastonbury. From there,
it spread, adopting many of the customs and practices of the Celtic pagans.
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine. It was during a period
of Celtic ascendancy, when the rest of Christian Europe was fighting off
the barbarians from the east, that the holy days were declared fixed at,
unsurprisingly, the ancient Celtic holy days.
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
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| User: "Roger Pearse" |
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10 Nov 2003 05:54:32 AM |
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(Born Again Atheist) wrote in message news:<a07bedeb.0311071534.36bd0207@posting.google.com>...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FABAB1B.26AC7144@serv.net>...
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine.
There is no evidence of this. Someone somewhere has been fantasising.
All the extant documents issued at Nicaea, and every description of
the council made by anyone up to a century later is available here:
<http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html>
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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10 Nov 2003 09:16:53 AM |
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Roger Pearse wrote:
michael@buffalo.com (Born Again Atheist) wrote in message news:<a07bedeb.0311071534.36bd0207@posting.google.com>...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FABAB1B.26AC7144@serv.net>...
There were English bishops present at Nicea in 325, who strongly opposed
much of what that Council would decree as doctrine.
There is no evidence of this. Someone somewhere has been fantasising.
All the extant documents issued at Nicaea, and every description of
the council made by anyone up to a century later is available here:
<http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html>
Well, hrmm....
I re-researched the matter and found that I was off by about a hundred years. There were no British bishops at Nicea,
although they were strongly represented at lesser, earlier convocations such as the Synod of Arles in 314 (see
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01727b.htm) Britain's first appearance at an Ecumenical council was the Council of
Ephesus, convoked in 431 to challenge the "heresy" of Pelagius, a British monk and preacher.
Pelagius taught that Adam would have died regardless of his sin, that there is no such thing as original sin, and a
doctrine of "justification by faith alone" (a thousand years before Luther, mind you.) Pelagius faced several
tribunals, culminating in the Council of Carthage when his doctrines were formally declared heresy. Nine canons set
forth the doctrines of Original Sin, salvation by grace, the efficacy of confession and the absolute necessity of
infant baptism ("Children dying without baptism do not go to a middle place, since the non-reception of baptism
excludes both from the Kingdom of Heaven and from eternal life.")
The British bishops in attendance objected to these canons, claiming that there was no justification for them in
Scripture. Ultimately, however, they agreed to accept the Council of Carthage's decisions. (Several Italian bishops who
refused to agree were declared anathema, deposed of their authority and exiled out of Christian dominated territory.)
Pelagius' teachings continued to spread, however, and in 431, an Ecumenical Council was summoned in Ephesus to formally
decree the first eight canons of the Council of Carthage as universal doctrine (the one that declared Purgatory to be
heresy was, conveniently enough, dropped.) Once again, the British bishops (among others) dissented with the doctrines,
but once again, they ultimately agreed to them.
Sorry for the error.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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10 Nov 2003 08:20:18 AM |
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Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you are interested
in?
Also, much of what I've learned in the last 10 years has come from actual visits to the UK.
There is no better way to learn about British history than actually visiting the places
where it took place.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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10 Nov 2003 11:00:02 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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11 Nov 2003 09:26:06 AM |
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Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
The closest one I have personal knowledge of is a book I purchased in Edinburgh on my last trip to
the UK. I'll have to check the title and author, but it is a complete history of Scotland from
prehistoric times. Out of necessity, it also has a lot of information on northeastern England.
Beyond that, I have some pamphlets from various historical societies that I picked up around the UK
and the experience of visiting the historic sites themselves. (The Yorvik Viking Centre in York is
astounding.) I've also kind of accumilated a great deal of information just by surfing the web and
looking through encycopedias (yes, I'm the kind of geek who read encyclopedias for fun.) Sorry.
I'll see what I can dig up, though.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Nov 2003 02:23:51 PM |
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On 10 Nov 2003 21:00:02 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311102100.39f67f69@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
"Modern European History" textbook comes to mind.
http://www.powells.com/search/DTSearch/search?author=Birdsall%20S%20Viault
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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12 Nov 2003 02:42:17 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<r7h2rvsntu6e37rv0b758lhlcv7mm48gmg@4ax.com>...
On 10 Nov 2003 21:00:02 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311102100.39f67f69@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
"Modern European History" textbook comes to mind.
http://www.powells.com/search/DTSearch/search?author=Birdsall%20S%20Viault
I checked it out. It begins with Renaissance time.
"Europe: A History" by Norman Davies has more on Europe that any other
1-Volume book wtitten in my opinion. Yet there is not much about
Pre-Historic Age Europe. I guess it is too much material to cover in
one volume.
"The Bretons" by Patrick Galliou is a specific book on Briton's
history. Take a look at it at amazon.
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Nov 2003 06:06:03 PM |
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On 12 Nov 2003 12:42:17 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311121242.622ede58@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<r7h2rvsntu6e37rv0b758lhlcv7mm48gmg@4ax.com>...
On 10 Nov 2003 21:00:02 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311102100.39f67f69@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
"Modern European History" textbook comes to mind.
http://www.powells.com/search/DTSearch/search?author=Birdsall%20S%20Viault
I checked it out. It begins with Renaissance time.
I didn't recall anything about it but the name.
"Europe: A History" by Norman Davies has more on Europe that any other
1-Volume book wtitten in my opinion. Yet there is not much about
Pre-Historic Age Europe. I guess it is too much material to cover in
one volume.
"The Bretons" by Patrick Galliou is a specific book on Briton's
history. Take a look at it at amazon.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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15 Nov 2003 09:59:34 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<ddrarvsr1rdbqhdrq5u6g4rrleamrtcvjd@4ax.com>...
On 12 Nov 2003 12:42:17 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311121242.622ede58@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<r7h2rvsntu6e37rv0b758lhlcv7mm48gmg@4ax.com>...
On 10 Nov 2003 21:00:02 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311102100.39f67f69@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
I found some very good online sources (with maps, time lines, etc):
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/02/euw/ht02euw.htm
http://www.balcanica.org/history/maps.html
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Nov 2003 06:23:36 PM |
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On 15 Nov 2003 07:59:34 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311150759.4ace62d4@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<ddrarvsr1rdbqhdrq5u6g4rrleamrtcvjd@4ax.com>...
On 12 Nov 2003 12:42:17 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311121242.622ede58@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<r7h2rvsntu6e37rv0b758lhlcv7mm48gmg@4ax.com>...
On 10 Nov 2003 21:00:02 -0800, (Born Again Atheist),
Message ID: <a07bedeb.0311102100.39f67f69@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3FAF9EA2.1ED114FC@serv.net>...
Born Again Atheist wrote:
Gregory, can you suggest some reading material (written by reputable
authors) on history of England? Thanks.
There is an awful lot of history there. Any particular period of time you >are interested in?
I am interested in original Celtic/Gaulic settlements and following
developments. Bronze Age and even Neolithic Age to be precise. ;)
Isn't there a book that covers basic 'English' history throughout all
of three ages including Iron Age?
I found some very good online sources (with maps, time lines, etc):
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/02/euw/ht02euw.htm
http://www.balcanica.org/history/maps.html
Excellant. Thank you.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
05 Nov 2003 02:29:34 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
Amazing how news travels today. I just heard that a couple of hours
ago on the local news program. It should be noted that Iceland
already approved it in (if I remember correctly) in 1972. We are
going to have to start repairing our longboats for the upcoming raids.
ENGLAND BEWARE!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
06 Nov 2003 05:47:34 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:29:34 +0100, tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk,
Message ID: <8aniqv858r6u9dbl8hv8ke9r01pp55hnj9@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
Amazing how news travels today. I just heard that a couple of hours
ago on the local news program. It should be noted that Iceland
already approved it in (if I remember correctly) in 1972. We are
going to have to start repairing our longboats for the upcoming raids.
Ummmm.....they fell short?
ENGLAND BEWARE!
They're coming to pinch your underwear......
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
11 Nov 2003 12:25:10 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
--
phillip brown
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
11 Nov 2003 08:12:24 AM |
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"Phillip Brown" <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.11.11.06.25.08.500593@netscape.net>...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
<piggybacking>
Why shouldn't people be allowed to revive dead religions?
Or do religions based on dead people reviving get to decide
what other people should practice?
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
Druid: You want her?
Viking: You got it.
Druid: She's yours. Let's drink!
Just yesterday on "Discovery" (sic) channel there was a
documentary on the vikings that I haven't watched yet. If
it mentions weddings, I'll let you know.
(The show is, unfortunately, hosted by a man who flies hot
air balloons filled up with his own hot air, Richard Branson.
That makes me not want to take the show too seriously.)
Bob Dog
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as |
11 Nov 2003 09:09:32 AM |
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In article <pan.2003.11.11.06.25.08.500593@netscape.net>, Phillip Brown says...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
Battle axes, iron bustiers and lots of mead ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as |
11 Nov 2003 09:40:08 AM |
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Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
Battle axes, iron bustiers and lots of mead ;)
Mmmmmmmmm....mead.
=====================
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And no one can vike with a norse of course,
That is, of course, unless the norse is the famous
Mthir Red.
Go right to the source and bug the norse,
He'll give you a thwack and then take your horse,
He's always on the job of course,
Vike with Mthir Red.
Picts all hackity hack alike and make themselves a pain,
But Mthir Red will ever vike as long as there's loot to be gained.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And no one should ever unlock their doors,
Unless they're on the run, of course, from the famous
Mthir Red.
So stay on your course and flee the norse,
or else he'll take all your stuff by force,
The vikings everywhere endorse,
"Vike with Mthir Red."
Every one of the ealdormen look down upon the thane,
But Mthir Red will make them spend their gold again and again.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And this one'll kick you right in the torse,
That is, unless you pay, of course, pay to Mthir Red.
But if'a you want a refresher course,
on ways to turn all your foes to fourths,
or grant yourself a quick divorce,
Vike with Mthir Red.
Jutes and Angles and Saxons storming up and down the lanes,
could never equal Mthir Red, the baddest one of the Danes.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And this one'll vike without remorse,
You never heard of this viking norse?
Well listen to this,
I am Mthir Red...THWACK!!!
(author unknown)
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as |
11 Nov 2003 02:38:02 PM |
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On 11 Nov 2003 15:40:08 GMT, forlornh@aol.complex (Lord Calvert),
Message ID: <20031111104008.28583.00000015@mb-m11.aol.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
Battle axes, iron bustiers and lots of mead ;)
Mmmmmmmmm....mead.
Yep..... :)))
http://www.djmorton.demon.co.uk/scouting/songs/eric.htm
Erik the Viking
A Norse is a Norse of course, of course,
But who's ever heard of a snoring Norse,
Unless, of course, that snoring Norse is
That viking, Erik the Red.
Go right to the source and ask a Norse
If he ever rode on a viking horse.
A member of the Viking force
Is the famous Erik the Red.
Vikings like to sail around to pass the time of day.
But Erik the Red will always sail after his old beard turns gray.
A Norse is a Norse, of course,
And the loudest of all the snoring Norse
Is the famous Norse who looks like a horse,
The famous, ERIK the Red.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And no one can vike with a norse of course,
That is, of course, unless the norse is the famous
Mthir Red.
Go right to the source and bug the norse,
He'll give you a thwack and then take your horse,
He's always on the job of course,
Vike with Mthir Red.
Picts all hackity hack alike and make themselves a pain,
But Mthir Red will ever vike as long as there's loot to be gained.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And no one should ever unlock their doors,
Unless they're on the run, of course, from the famous
Mthir Red.
So stay on your course and flee the norse,
or else he'll take all your stuff by force,
The vikings everywhere endorse,
"Vike with Mthir Red."
Every one of the ealdormen look down upon the thane,
But Mthir Red will make them spend their gold again and again.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And this one'll kick you right in the torse,
That is, unless you pay, of course, pay to Mthir Red.
But if'a you want a refresher course,
on ways to turn all your foes to fourths,
or grant yourself a quick divorce,
Vike with Mthir Red.
Jutes and Angles and Saxons storming up and down the lanes,
could never equal Mthir Red, the baddest one of the Danes.
A norse is a norse, of course, of course,
And this one'll vike without remorse,
You never heard of this viking norse?
Well listen to this,
I am Mthir Red...THWACK!!!
(author unknown)
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Danish paganism to be recognized as "official religion" |
11 Nov 2003 12:52:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:25:10 +1100, "Phillip Brown"
<phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:25:36 -0800, Gregory Gadow wrote:
From http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article151819.ece
Old Norse mythology may be approved as a religion
Tilrettelagt av Carin Pettersson 05.11.03 11:40
Norse mythology and the worship of the old gods Odin and Thor may soon
become an approved religious community in Denmark.
The religious authorities have for years refused to approve the
organization Forn Sidr as a religious community, but in a new statement
it appears as if they might be given the go ahead.
In other words, it appears as if the worship of Norse gods may once
again be accepted as a religion after it was banned more than a 1000
years ago. The organization Forn Sidr – Asa- and Vanetrosamfunet may
soon be approved as a religious community by the Ministry of Churches in
Denmark.
Approval as a church community means among other things, that appointed
persons in the community can perform marriage ceremonies with legal
validity.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Anyone got any ideas of whats involved in organising an 'Old Norse'
wedding ceremony?
They have already been performed (unofficially until now). The
ceremony was made up by the officiating priest. It didn't look much
different from anything most people would recognize as a wedding
ceremony today. It was outdoors, and everybody was in costume, but
that is pretty common.
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