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Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Thomas Kinkade is famous for his luminous landscapes and street scenes,
those dreamy, deliberately inspirational images he says have brought
"God's light" into people's lives, even as they have made him one of
America's most collected artists.
A devout Christian who calls himself the "Painter of Light," Kinkade
trades heavily on his beliefs and says God has guided his brush - and
his life - for the last 20 years. "When I got saved, God became my
art agent," he said in a 2004 video biography, genteel in tone and rich
in the themes of faith and family values that have helped win him
legions of fans...
In litigation and interviews with the Los Angeles Times, former gallery
owners depict Kinkade, 48, as a ruthless businessman who drove them to
financial ruin at the same time he was fattening his business
associates' bank accounts and feathering his nest with tens of millions
of dollars. Last month, a three-member panel of the American
Arbitration Assn. ordered his company to pay $860,000 for defrauding
the former owners of two failed Virginia galleries. That decision marks
the first major legal setback for Kinkade, who won three previous
arbitration claims. Five more are pending.
It's not just Kinkade's business practices that have been called into
question. In sworn testimony and interviews, former gallery owners,
ex-employees and others say his personal behavior also belies the
wholesome image on which he's built his empire...
Dandois, who left the company to become chief executive of a group of
galleries owned by Kinkade's brother, Patrick, recounted that about six
years ago the artist was so intoxicated during a performance by
Siegfried & Roy in Las Vegas that people seated nearby moved away from
him. "I think it was Roy or Siegfried or whatever had a codpiece in his
leotards," Dandois testified. "And so when the show started, Thom just
started yelling, 'Codpiece, codpiece,' and had to be quieted by his
mother and Nanette."
At other times, Kinkade could be downright nasty, Dandois testified,
recalling an incident in which Dandois' wife tried to help the
allegedly inebriated artist to his feet in a bar. "He had been falling
down, and he fell off the stool, and he was laying on the ground and
just looked up at her and flipped her the bird and told her, you know,
just to 'F you' several times," Dandois testified.
And then there is Kinkade's proclivity for "ritual territory marking,"
as he called it. In an interview, Sheppard, a former vice president for
Kinkade's company who often accompanied Kinkade on the road, recounted
a trip to Orange County in the late 1990s for the artist's appearance
on the "Hour of Power" television show at the Crystal Cathedral in
Garden Grove. On the eve of the broadcast, Sheppard said, he and
Kinkade returned to the Disneyland Hotel after a night of heavy
drinking. As they walked to their rooms, according to Sheppard and
another person who was there, Kinkade veered toward a nearby figure of
a Disney character. "Thom wanders over to Winnie the Pooh and decides
to 'mark his territory,' " Sheppard told The Times... When pressed
about allegedly relieving himself in a hotel elevator in Las Vegas,
Kinkade said it might have happened...
At a signing party in Indiana in August 2002, Kinkade polled the men in
the room about their preferences in women's anatomies. "He was having a
conversation with the men in the room about whether they like breasts
or butts," said Lori Kopec, Cote's director of gallery operations, who
also testified about the party. "There were only two women in the room,
and I was very uncomfortable at that point." It was during that bawdy
discussion, according to arbitration records, that Kinkade turned his
attention to the other woman. "He approached [her] and he palmed her
breasts and he said, 'These are great tits!' " Ernie Dodson, another
Cote employee, told The Times, adding that he drank no alcohol that
night. "I was just standing in the corner in amazement. It was like,
holy cow!" The woman whom Kinkade allegedly fondled confirmed to The
Times that he touched her breasts without her consent... Cote and Kopec
said they also saw the alleged groping. "She let out a yelp and backed
away," Kopec said. "That's when I knew he had actually touched her."...
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05 Mar 2006 10:23:43 AM |
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"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
......one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Kris
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05 Mar 2006 12:24:40 PM |
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote .
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Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
- I enjoy his *****. True American kitsch!
Pe
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| User: "Kate " |
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05 Mar 2006 11:55:03 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
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| User: "Cliff and Linda Griffith" |
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05 Mar 2006 08:48:37 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
I don't have a cite, but I read sometime back that gallery owners were
really angry with him, too. He told gallery owners what to charge for his
paintings (no discounts, no sales), and then he sold his work on QVC/HSN,
undercutting the gallery prices. After awhile (as I remember it), the
gallery owners either sued Kincade or refused to carry his "art," saying
that customers wouldn't buy his paintings from the galleries if they could
get them for less on QVC.
Linda
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| User: "Kris Baker" |
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05 Mar 2006 12:01:04 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141567488.719279.53640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
I think he *was* popular; the only ones who still love him, have to
be delusional. They've spent hundreds of thousands on fake "art"
(not even originals)...that MIGHT be eBay-level collectibles in 50
years, if they don't burn them first ;)
The galleries here, closed several years ago.
Kris
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| User: "DanaPointe" |
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05 Mar 2006 08:45:02 PM |
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Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster.
The buying public sees him as a modern day Norman Rockwell .. (problem
is he has after half the talent)
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| User: "Kate " |
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05 Mar 2006 09:00:06 PM |
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On 5 Mar 2006 18:45:02 -0800, "DanaPointe" <dana@presidency.com>
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Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster.
The buying public sees him as a modern day Norman Rockwell .. (problem
is he has after half the talent)
The buying public also liked the dude that made big eyed kids.
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06 Mar 2006 11:50:31 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On 5 Mar 2006 18:45:02 -0800, "DanaPointe" <dana@presidency.com>
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Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster.
The buying public sees him as a modern day Norman Rockwell .. (problem
is he has after half the talent)
The buying public also liked the dude that made big eyed kids.
Ack! What dreck :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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06 Mar 2006 02:13:25 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141567488.719279.53640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
He oozes sleaze, uncutous, really, leaving a line of oil behind him,
like a snail trail.
I felt this the first time I read about him -- a hypocrite, controlling
people.
Someone to shun.
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| User: "Christopher" |
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08 Mar 2006 08:40:05 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141567488.719279.53640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
His paintings aren't very old yet. Give it time.
Picasso's painting were not instant masterpieces, in fact it took over
100 years after his death before it was deemed to be a sign of social
prowess to own an original Picasso.
Paintings of artists, are not usually highly valued in theri lifetime.
It is only when they have died, that their paintings then become
valuable, and then only the ones that the artist painted himself.
Some of Picasso's students made copies of his paintings, but they
aren't worth ANYTHING.
Frankly, no one is as virtuous as they would like other people to think
they are. Everyone has their own weaknesses, and apparently Thomas
Kincade's, like most people's, come out when he is drunk or intoxicated.
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09 Mar 2006 10:17:35 AM |
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"Christopher" <christopherkidwell3@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Kate wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141567488.719279.53640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
His paintings aren't very old yet. Give it time.
Picasso's painting were not instant masterpieces, in fact it took over
100 years after his death before it was deemed to be a sign of social
prowess to own an original Picasso.
Um, he died in 1973.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "E Varden" |
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11 Mar 2006 01:50:48 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
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His [Kincade's] paintings aren't very old yet. Give it time.
Picasso's painting were not instant masterpieces, in fact it took over
100 years after his death before it was deemed to be a sign of social
prowess to own an original Picasso.
Um, he died in 1973.
So much for this authoritative posting assdhole...
Pe
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| User: "Kris Baker" |
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09 Mar 2006 10:32:15 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher" <christopherkidwell3@comcast.net> wrote in message
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His paintings aren't very old yet. Give it time.
Picasso's painting were not instant masterpieces, in fact it took over
100 years after his death before it was deemed to be a sign of social
prowess to own an original Picasso.
Um, he died in 1973.
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Robyn
....and many of Picasso's paintings WERE instant masterpieces.
IF there is any value to a Kincade in the future, it will be as a curiosity
of a time when people fell for the "certificate of authenticity"
mentality...
rather than learn about quality. Kind of like a Beanie Baby.
Kris
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:18:13 PM |
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In article <47b2l5Feo2s8U1@individual.net>,
says...
"Christopher" <christopherkidwell3@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Kate wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:23:43 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:
"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141567488.719279.53640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Los Angeles Times
March 5, 2006
Dark Portrait of a 'Painter of Light'
Christian-themed artist Thomas Kinkade is accused of ruthless tactics
and seamy personal conduct. He disputes the allegations.
By Kim Christensen, Times Staff Writer
Entire story here. GREAT reading.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kinkade5mar05,0,3770067.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Hey, he has other people print and paint over crap, line them up
in a row, and he walks down and "signs" them.....then the
unwashed and uneducated masses lap the stuff up.
He's truly a reflection of current morals. But hey! Notice they
don't claim he's GAY. So he's a Fine Christian.
.....one retailer's ad describes as "something not merely
to be acquired, but collected - like fine art itself."
<snerk>
Artists hate the man. He's such a shyster. If you buy one of 'his'
paintings at one of his galleries, there's no way you will ever sell
it for that much even though the man is really popular.
His paintings aren't very old yet. Give it time.
Picasso's painting were not instant masterpieces, in fact it took over
100 years after his death before it was deemed to be a sign of social
prowess to own an original Picasso.
Um, he died in 1973.
And anything Picasso put on paper after 1950 was an instant masterpeice
(or worth a whole bunch of money.) He had a funny habit of burning his
bad sketches in front of guests and commenting that "there goes 100
grand."
bel
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05 Mar 2006 11:25:07 AM |
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"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thomas Kinkade is famous for his luminous landscapes and street scenes,
those dreamy, deliberately inspirational images he says have brought
"God's light" into people's lives, even as they have made him one of
America's most collected artists.
This is the stuff that looks like it should be on the cover of an old
fashioned cake tin, isn't it?
It's fucking awful.
Gillian
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| User: "Kris Baker" |
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05 Mar 2006 11:47:40 AM |
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"Gillian White" <Gillian_White@nospampleasethanksmail.com> wrote in message
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"666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thomas Kinkade is famous for his luminous landscapes and street scenes,
those dreamy, deliberately inspirational images he says have brought
"God's light" into people's lives, even as they have made him one of
America's most collected artists.
This is the stuff that looks like it should be on the cover of an old
fashioned cake tin, isn't it?
It's fucking awful.
Gillian
But there's justice in the world. Better artists have found ways
to improve Kincade's fakery:
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1918
(Put down your coffee, first.)
One of my favorites:
http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/01-16-04-kinkade/geno1173.jpg
Kris
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| User: "E Varden" |
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05 Mar 2006 01:47:28 PM |
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote >
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1918
(Put down your coffee, first.)
Thankew (and for the coffee-warning)!
I haven't had so much fun at a site in a long time.
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Where did this drunken cheat and mysogynist Christian fuckwit originally get
his inspiration?
May I suggest the paintings of Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966); American.
http://tinyurl.com/qblqk
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| User: "E Varden" |
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05 Mar 2006 01:47:45 PM |
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote >
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1918
(Put down your coffee, first.)
Thankew (and for the coffee-warning)!
I haven't had so much fun at a site in a long time.
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Where did this drunken cheat and mysogynist Christian fuckwit originally get
his inspiration?
May I suggest the paintings of Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966); American.
http://tinyurl.com/qblqk
Pe
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| User: "Tina" |
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11 Mar 2006 12:11:48 PM |
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E Varden wrote:
"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote >
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1918
(Put down your coffee, first.)
Thankew (and for the coffee-warning)!
I haven't had so much fun at a site in a long time.
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Where did this drunken cheat and mysogynist Christian fuckwit originally get
his inspiration?
May I suggest the paintings of Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966); American.
http://tinyurl.com/qblqk
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
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| User: "E Varden" |
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11 Mar 2006 02:00:37 PM |
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"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
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I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
11 Mar 2006 03:10:26 PM |
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E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
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AH
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| User: "Tina" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
11 Mar 2006 03:30:18 PM |
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Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
12 Mar 2006 10:17:34 AM |
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On 11 Mar 2006 13:30:18 -0800, "Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
Perhaps?
http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/turner/gallery3d.htm
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Alan Hope" |
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11 Mar 2006 03:58:45 PM |
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Tina goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
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AH
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes ThomasKincade |
12 Mar 2006 11:18:32 AM |
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Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that. London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died. The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
John
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| User: "Alan Hope" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
12 Mar 2006 12:19:30 PM |
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John Smith goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that.
You exaggerate. Turner's effects must not be regarded as naturalistic.
London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died.
Turner died in 1851, as the Second Industrial Revolution was just
beginning.
The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
Sewage and other waste was pumped straight into the river, yes. Not
really something that shows in air quality, I suppose you'd agree.
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AH
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes ThomasKincade |
12 Mar 2006 12:47:23 PM |
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Alan Hope wrote:
John Smith goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
Alan Hope wrote:
E Varden goes:
"Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in message
I wasn't much of a Romanticism fan but I did like the landscapes of
Joseph Turner.
You shoulda loved in London circa Turner-time. He was like a photographer
of the deadly smog that suffocated the city.
Really? Turner's not best-known as a city painter. His two best-known
paintings of London (probably) are of a major fire and a steam-train
respectively. Not the best indication of ambient air quality, I'd have
said.
Beautiful? Yes, Like an atomic bomb plume is beautiful.
Which particular works did you have in mind?
PE might be referring to the atmospheric quality that Turner created in
his paintings. What made him stand apart from the other landscape
painters of the time was the exact thing PE pointed out - the
concentration on light as it played against the clouds, fog/smog, water
etc rather than focusing on details and extreme realism like Constable
did.
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that.
You exaggerate. Turner's effects must not be regarded as naturalistic.
London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died.
Turner died in 1851, as the Second Industrial Revolution was just
beginning.
The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
Sewage and other waste was pumped straight into the river, yes. Not
really something that shows in air quality, I suppose you'd agree.
Yes, but even in the late 1830s there was problems with smog fronts.
Visitors were always aware of the foul smell even then. BUT...you are
right. By the 1860s it was a place where the sun "set" around 4:00 p.m.
John
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
13 Mar 2006 11:32:32 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:18:32 -0500, John Smith
<johnsmith225@sympatico.ca> wrote in alt.atheism
Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
[]
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that. London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died. The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
Yeow!
As of 1998 it was hard to breathe in areas of London's Prince Street.
IIRC, it was the early/middle 60's when the Detroit River was aflame,
and for quite a number of years Lake Erie was devoid of marine life.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Tina" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
13 Mar 2006 03:53:16 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:18:32 -0500, John Smith
<johnsmith225@sympatico.ca> wrote in alt.atheism
Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
[]
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that. London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died. The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
Yeow!
As of 1998 it was hard to breathe in areas of London's Prince Street.
IIRC, it was the early/middle 60's when the Detroit River was aflame,
and for quite a number of years Lake Erie was devoid of marine life.
I remember seeing the dead fish floating on top of the water on the
beaches of Lake Erie when I was a kid back in the 70s. Nobody dared
swim in that water.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Dark Portrait of 'Painter of Light' - LA Times exposes Thomas Kincade |
14 Mar 2006 10:01:56 AM |
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On 13 Mar 2006 13:53:16 -0800, "Tina" <lisalatte@aol.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:18:32 -0500, John Smith
<johnsmith225@sympatico.ca> wrote in alt.atheism
Alan Hope wrote:
Tina goes:
[]
Yes, that may be. Or as I suspect, s/he may be thinking of the series
of paintings from Westminster Bridge painted by Claude Monet. Turner
didn't paint smog.
Oh, yes he did. The train pictures and the few urban pictures pick up on
that. London air was very poor in quality for most of the 19th century,
and there were days where the polution was so bad that people died. The
water in the Thames was so bad that the Thames blew up in the 1870s when
two chemical fronts collided with one another.
Yeow!
As of 1998 it was hard to breathe in areas of London's Prince Street.
IIRC, it was the early/middle 60's when the Detroit River was aflame,
and for quite a number of years Lake Erie was devoid of marine life.
I remember seeing the dead fish floating on top of the water on the
beaches of Lake Erie when I was a kid back in the 70s. Nobody dared
swim in that water.
I remember shoreline loaded with layers and layers and layers of rotting
fish, in Canada, a short walk from my dads friends cottage. It was a
small inlet/lagoon type spot at the bottom of a staired bluff. No, no
one went near the water-the stench alone was bad enough.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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