On Mar 22, 3:33 pm, "Denis Loubet"

Darwin never suggested that evolution was anyone's friend, or that we
should
use it as a behavioral example. Just that it was the best explanation for
what we see in the world around us.

Meaning of "evolution"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individual.net

Do you think Darwin opposed eugenics?

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Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in
principle"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142043310.578516.215760%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com

On Mar 22, 3:33 pm, "Denis Loubet"

Darwin never suggested that evolution was anyone's friend, or that we
should
use it as a behavioral example. Just that it was the best explanation for
what we see in the world around us.

Meaning of "evolution"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individual.net

Do you think Darwin opposed eugenics?

On Mar 22, 3:33 pm, "Denis Loubet"

Darwin never suggested that evolution was anyone's friend, or that we should
use it as a behavioral example. Just that it was the best explanation for
what we see in the world around us.

Meaning of "evolution"?http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individ...

Do you think Darwin opposed eugenics?

On Mar 22, 6:35 pm,

Wouldn't that make the winner the most "savage" and
"uncivilized" race - the one who slaughters all others ?

Maybe so.
Suppose a rat native to say Australia is exterminated by the European
rat. Would the European rat be:
"the winner"?
more 'savage' than the Australian rat?
more 'uncivilized' than the Australian rat?

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Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of
the native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"

Darwin, chapter 7 - "On the Races of Man," two paragraphs in the
section "On the Extinction of the Races of Man"
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/chapter-07.html
Extinction follows chiefly from the competition of tribe with
tribe, and race with race. Various checks are always in
action, serving to keep down the numbers of each savage
tribe,-- such as periodical famines, nomadic habits and the
consequent deaths of infants, prolonged suckling, wars,
accidents, sickness, licentiousness, the stealing of
women, infanticide, and especially lessened fertility. If
any one of these checks increases in power, even

slightly, the tribe thus affected tends to decrease; and
when of two adjoining tribes one becomes less numerous
and less powerful than the other, the contest is soon
settled by war, slaughter, cannibalism, slavery, and
absorption. Even when a weaker tribe is not thus abruptly
swept away, if it once begins to decrease, it generally
goes on decreasing until it becomes extinct.*
* Gerland, ibid., s. 12, gives facts in support of this
statement.
==
Finally, although the gradual decrease and ultimate
extinction of the races of man is a highly complex
problem, depending on many causes which differ in
different places and at different times; it is the same
problem as that presented by the extinction of one of the
higher animals-- of the fossil horse, for instance, which
disappeared from South America, soon afterwards to be
replaced, within the same districts, by countless troups of
the Spanish horse. The New Zealander seems conscious
of this parallelism, for he compares his future fate with

that of the native rat now almost exterminated by the
European rat. Though the difficulty is great to our
imagination, and really great, if we wish to ascertain the
precise causes and their manner of action, it ought not to
be so to our reason, as long as we keep steadily in mind
that the increase of each species and each race is
constantly checked in various ways; so that if any new
check, even a slight one, be superadded, the race will
surely decrease in number; and decreasing numbers will
sooner or later lead to extinction; the end, in most cases,
being promptly determined by the inroads of conquering
tribes.

Immediately following "conquering tribes" is the section "On the
Formation of the Races of Man," which has early on the first of these
Darwin remarks:

1. [1871/ 74/ 88 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same
Aryan stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
2. [1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
3. [Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more
frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Compare the "On the Extinction of the Races of Man" paragraphs with
Hitler's war against Jews.

Compare the Darwin paragraphs with these Hitler extracts:
The urge to preserve the species is the first cause for the
formation of human communities; thus the state is a
national organism
==
the will to preserve the species and race.
==
the preservation of the existence of a species
presupposes a spirit of sacrifice in the individual.
==
the sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure
the preservation of the species. Thus, the most sensible
prerequisite for the formation and preservation of a state
is the presence of a certain feeling of cohesion based on
similarity of nature and species, and a willingness to
stake everything on it with all possible means
==
The formation of a state, originally at least, will occur
through the exercise of these qualities, and in the
subsequent struggle for self-preservation those nations
will be defeated-- that is, will fall a prey to subjugation and
thus sooner or later die out which in the mutual struggle
possess the smallest share of heroic virtues, or are not
equal to the lies and trickery of the hostile parasite.

Darwin again:
the contest is soon settled by war, slaughter, cannibalism,
slavery, and absorption. Even when a weaker tribe is not
thus abruptly swept away, if it once begins to decrease,
it generally goes on decreasing until it becomes extinct.
== if any new
check, even a slight one, be superadded, the race will
surely decrease in number; and decreasing numbers will
sooner or later lead to extinction; the end, in most cases,
being promptly determined by the inroads of conquering
tribes.

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Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135100164.057260.78490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com

Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126752603.953619.262940%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.

Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....

In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
....we are forever members of the Aryan race. .... Aboriginal
man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the lie....
The nations that have been the first to see through the Jew and
have been the first to fight him are going to take his place in the
domination of the world.

T.H. Huxley's 1890 essay "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/Aryan.html
He talks quite a bit therein about a [Huxley on 284 of my Huxley
book copy]"blond, long-headed race," i.e. [Huxley on 305]"an Aryan
race."
In a 29 September 1890 letter to Joseph Hooker, Huxley called Huxley's
essay "scientific":
Huxley, Leonard, editor. 1901. _Life and Letters of Thomas Henry
Huxley: by his son Leonard Huxley_, in two volumes (NY: D. Appleton
and Company), 539pp. and 541pp. On 286 of volume 2:
Providence has, I believe, specially devolved on
Gladstone, Gore, and Co. the function of keeping "'ome
'appy" for me.
I really can't give up tormenting _ces droles_.
However, I have been toiling at a tremendously scientific
article about the "Aryan question" absolutely devoid of
blasphemy.

Darwin on certain "distinct races" of humans being "distinct species"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134742746.958656.6900%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Trotha, in
Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O'Hair
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133186735.613068.108090%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

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fuller text of Hitler: a paragraph
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch04.html
The urge to preserve the species is the first cause for the
formation of human communities; thus the state is a
national organism and not an economic organization. A
difference which is just as large as it is incomprehensible,
particularly to our so-called ' statesmen ' of today. That is
why they think they can build up the state through
economics while in reality it results and always will result
solely from the action of those qualities which lie in line
with the will to preserve the species and race. And these
are always heroic virtues and never the egoism of

shopkeepers, since the preservation of the existence of a
species presupposes a spirit of sacrifice in the individual.
The sense of the poet's words, 'If you will not stake your
life, you will win no life,' is that the sacrifice of personal
existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the
species. Thus, the most sensible prerequisite for the
formation and preservation of a state is the presence of a
certain feeling of cohesion based on similarity of nature
and species, and a willingness to stake everything on it
with all possible means, something which in peoples with
soil of their own will create heroic virtues, but in parasites
will create lying hypocrisy and malignant cruelty, or else
these qualities must already be present as the necessary

and demonstrable basis for their existence as a state so
different in form. The formation of a state, originally at
least, will occur through the exercise of these qualities,
and in the subsequent struggle for self-preservation those
nations will be defeated-- that is, will fall a prey to
subjugation and thus sooner or later die out which in the
mutual struggle possess the smallest share of heroic
virtues, or are not equal to the lies and trickery of the
hostile parasite. But in this case, too, this must almost
always be attributed less to a lack of astuteness than to a
lack of determination and courage, which only tries to
conceal itself beneath a cloak of humane convictions.