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16 Aug 2006 06:20:25 PM |
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Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book—which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power—that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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16 Aug 2006 07:50:05 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book=97which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power=97that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary=20
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "DanWood" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
16 Aug 2006 10:02:04 PM |
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"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
I believe both Darwin and T. H. Huxley claimed to be an agnostic
a term invented by Huxley.
Dan Wood, DDS
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
17 Aug 2006 12:42:12 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, DanWood wrote:
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0608162011310.20038@ukato.freeshell.org...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
I believe both Darwin and T. H. Huxley claimed to be an agnostic
a term invented by Huxley.
Dan Wood, DDS
Whether he became an agnostic or not, Darwin did uphold Christian
moral standards, just like many atheists do. Unlike Darwin, many
Christian fundamentalists fail to uphold Christian moral standards.
For those reasons and for many others, I cannot understand why any
intelligent person would think of Christian fundamentalism as being
a philosophy superior to Darwinism.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
17 Aug 2006 12:38:35 PM |
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In article <Pine.NEB.4.62.0608170127060.20038@ukato.freeshell.org> "Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> writes:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, DanWood wrote:
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0608162011310.20038@ukato.freeshell.org...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
I believe both Darwin and T. H. Huxley claimed to be an agnostic
a term invented by Huxley.
Dan Wood, DDS
Whether he became an agnostic or not,
Darwin in fact wrote about his gradual and incremental loss of
faith. In his earlier days, he was indeed a believer -- so much
so that the sailors on the _Beagle_ were amused by his simplistic piety.
But this faded with time and experience, with the final
blow being the death of his beloved daughter Annie.
Darwin did uphold Christian moral standards, just like many atheists do.
Absolutely. His Christian faith waned, but his basic decency
did not.
-- cary
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
17 Aug 2006 03:53:14 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Pine.NEB.4.62.0608170127060.20038@ukato.freeshell.org> "Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> writes:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, DanWood wrote:
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0608162011310.20038@ukato.freeshell.org...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
I believe both Darwin and T. H. Huxley claimed to be an agnostic
a term invented by Huxley.
Dan Wood, DDS
Whether he became an agnostic or not,
Darwin in fact wrote about his gradual and incremental loss of
faith. In his earlier days, he was indeed a believer -- so much
so that the sailors on the _Beagle_ were amused by his simplistic piety.
But this faded with time and experience, with the final
blow being the death of his beloved daughter Annie.
Darwin did uphold Christian moral standards, just like many atheists do.
Absolutely. His Christian faith waned, but his basic decency
did not.
Basic decency is what really counts.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
16 Aug 2006 08:21:53 PM |
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"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0608162011310.20038@ukato.freeshell.org...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
Sam Heywood
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Hear, hear!
Greywolf
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
16 Aug 2006 08:57:56 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:21:53 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0608162011310.20038@ukato.freeshell.org...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism.
Atheism doesn't need support. It is the default when there is no
reason to be theist.
Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian.
Until he became an agnostic.
He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
Like most educated English of his time, he partitioned between Sunday
mode and Monday-to-Saturday mode. What Chris Fleming described as
"Nonoverlapping Magisteria".
Sam Heywood
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Hear, hear!
Greywolf
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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17 Aug 2006 12:50:10 AM |
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Samuel W. Heywood a =E9crit :
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
There is absolutely nothing in the writings of Darwin that lends
support to atheism. Darwin was a believer and an exemplary
Christian. He always maintained his professional forbearance and
the most noble Christian attitudes by never lowering his moral
stature by condemning his critics to hellfire and eternal damnation
like the most ignorant of his critics did to him. If you knew very
much at all about Darwin you would know that.
Shh... don't confuse them with facts...
Sam Heywood
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| User: "theBeaver" |
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16 Aug 2006 10:19:16 PM |
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Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book—which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power—that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
It was precisely Stalin's religious upbringing that made him a heartless
dictator. From Bertrand Russell: "I do not believe that a decay of
dogmatic belief can do anything but good. I admit at once that new
systems of dogma, such as those of the Nazis and the Communists, are
even worse than the old systems, but they could never have acquired a
hold over men's minds if orthodox dogmatic habits had not been instilled
in youth. Stalin's language is full of reminiscences of the theological
seminary in which he received his training. What the world needs is not
dogma, but an attitude of scientific inquiry, combined with a belief
that the torture of millions is not desirable, whether inflicted by
Stalin or by a Deity imagined in the likeness of the believer."
(H.S.E.P.p221)
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
17 Aug 2006 04:37:05 AM |
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Jd wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book—which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power—that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
Then why didn't Darwin send Stalin to a competent scientist to
oversee Soviet biological research?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "raven1" |
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17 Aug 2006 04:25:10 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:20:25 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book—which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power—that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
Which is completely irrelevant to the truth or falsity of Darwin's
theory. Your point is...?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
17 Aug 2006 04:51:36 PM |
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In article <ujn9e2p19lgdns4ok74eshq7cci12hlgjc@4ax.com> raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> writes:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:20:25 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book—which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power—that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
Which is completely irrelevant to the truth or falsity of Darwin's
theory. Your point is...?
Oh, it's part and parcel of JDay's long-running attempt to discredit
evolution via character assassination (as often as not intentionally
employing false "facts" about Darwin). Repeated questions as to
how Darwin's character has any bearing on the explanatory power of his
theory is not something that JDay is about to answer for you.
It's rather like throwing out half of mathematics because
Gauss was such an unpleasant person, or discarding most of classical
physics because of Newton's psychotic interludes.
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin sent Stalin to atheism |
16 Aug 2006 06:45:47 PM |
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Proof again the most insane fuckers in the world are unfortunately pretty
smart... Go figure.
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Joseph Stalin (1879-1953)
"While studying at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, he began to read
the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a critical mind and
revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in a book-which was
published in Moscow while Stalin was still in power-that when Stalin
began to read Darwin he became an atheist."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
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