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User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 13 Apr 2006 12:52:36 PM
Object: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts
Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science
http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp
Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9
There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.
Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)
http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp
Synopsis
During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 05:03:03 PM
On 13 Apr 2006 10:52:36 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal

Now there's an objective forum!
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 05:11:14 PM
Previously, on alt.atheism, raven1 in episode
<1kit32lujdsqsgt6c14ipbk8a3mj5mq1t4@4ax.com>...

On 13 Apr 2006 10:52:36 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal


Now there's an objective forum!

Not to mention one *hell of an oxymoron...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
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User: "mimus"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 05:20:40 PM
On 13 Apr 2006 10:52:36 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
<snip a buncha revisionist crap>
Darwin was a Christian all his life and died a Christian in good standing
with his Church and was buried in sacred ground, etc. etc. etc.
And it's only those savages so arrogant as to tell their own supposed god
(right in the face of the evolutionary sequence in Genesis and all the
evidence) how he could've done things that question that.
They're usually the same bunch that claims the wine at the Last Supper was
nonalcoholic, rewriting their own supposed "Holy Scripture" in accordance
with their will.
In short, pride, arrogance and lust for dominion, in the robes of religion.
As usual.
--
In the previous number, the cattle rustlers (post-
Hegelian dogma) had trapped Professor Dewey in an
abandoned mine shaft (Jamesian pragmatism) and had
ignited the fuse leading to a keg of dynamite
(neo-Newtonian empiricism).
< S. J. Perelman
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 07:15:16 PM
What's so funny about peace, love and mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
posting the following on Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:20:40 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?

Darwin was a Christian all his life and died a Christian in good standing
with his Church and was buried in sacred ground, etc. etc. etc.

Not just sacred ground, but in Westminster Abbey, close to Issac
Newton!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 05:30:10 PM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144950756.050852.257850@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

Oh look, a freeper lying. Boy, that's never happened before...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 20 Apr 2006 08:18:05 PM
Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science
When a person goes out to dine, for example, no one ever says, "Wow,
that's good food. I just have to meet the cook! Whether the food is
good or not has nothing to do with whether or not you like the cook. He
might be a Muslim. He might be a Mormon. He might be an athiest. He
might not pay his child support. Nobody cares.
Yet the Bible Thumpers continue to find new and innovative ways to
attack the messenger. They must work night and day for weeks or months
on end concocting this garbage.
.
User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 21 Apr 2006 01:31:14 AM
On 20 Apr 2006 18:18:05 -0700,
wrote:

Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science

When a person goes out to dine, for example, no one ever says, "Wow,
that's good food. I just have to meet the cook! Whether the food is
good or not has nothing to do with whether or not you like the cook. He
might be a Muslim. He might be a Mormon. He might be an athiest. He
might not pay his child support. Nobody cares.

Yet the Bible Thumpers continue to find new and innovative ways to
attack the messenger. They must work night and day for weeks or months
on end concocting this garbage.

And all for naught, since only those who are already like-minded would
take them seriously for even a second.
.


User: "Chris Krolczyk"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 07:47:39 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
(snip)
Y'know, STrumpet, the more you post these little cut-n-pastes,
the more you convince people of how utterly unoriginal you are -
in addition to being repetitive and stupid, of course.
(Newsgroups trimmed)
-Chris Krolczyk
.

User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 08:37:40 AM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did.

Even if that would be true, it is totally irrelevant to the question
whether his theory is valid. That question can only be answered "yes"
on account of the massive amount of evidence supporting it.
RS
.
User: "Stu"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 03:02:41 PM
On 2006-04-14 06:37:40 -0700, "Richard Smol" <richard.smol@gmail.com> said:


Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did.


Even if that would be true, it is totally irrelevant to the question
whether his theory is valid. That question can only be answered "yes"
on account of the massive amount of evidence supporting it.

But then you wouldn't be able to attack a man who was long dead. It is
clearly the Christian thing to do.
--
~Stu
.


User: "Fooj"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 20 Apr 2006 11:21:25 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Perhaps it is better to expose Darwin's weak scientific background. He
was afterall only a moderately good biologist.
.

User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 12:56:00 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Synopsis

During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.

Continually trying to discredit Darwin is irrelevant to whether or not
evolution is valid.
.
User: "Paul Holbach"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 06:03:12 PM

Neil Kelsey wrote:

Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science
[...]
Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

Continually trying to discredit Darwin is irrelevant to whether or not
evolution is valid.

For example, the founder of the Big Bang theory, Georges Lemaitre, was
a theist -- so what?!
His theistic worldview may have stimulated his scientific reflections,
but the only thing that counts is whether his theory is true or not.
#PH
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 07:10:07 PM
What's so funny about peace, love and "Paul Holbach"
<paulholbachDELETETHENAME@freenet.de> posting the following on 13 Apr
2006 16:03:12 -0700 iin alt.atheism?

For example, the founder of the Big Bang theory, Georges Lemaitre, was
a theist -- so what?!
His theistic worldview may have stimulated his scientific reflections,
but the only thing that counts is whether his theory is true or not.

I've read some of his writings, and they boil down to "maybe God's
creation is what we see, and Genesis is a "just-so" story to tide us
over until we were able to discern the greater truth."
Healthy way to look at things.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.
User: "Paul Holbach"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 06:08:48 AM

Douglas Berry wrote:

"Paul Holbach" <paulholbachDELETETHENAME@freenet.de> wrote:
For example, the founder of the Big Bang theory, Georges Lemaitre, was
a theist -- so what?!
His theistic worldview may have stimulated his scientific reflections,
but the only thing that counts is whether his theory is true or not.

I've read some of his writings, and they boil down to "maybe God's
creation is what we see, and Genesis is a "just-so" story to tide us
over until we were able to discern the greater truth."

Healthy way to look at things.

There is certainly a qualitative difference between a sophisticated
philosophical theism and a primitive biblical literalism.
#PH
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 06:11:36 AM
On 14 Apr 2006 04:08:48 -0700, "Paul Holbach"
<paulholbachDELETETHENAME@freenet.de> wrote:

Douglas Berry wrote:

"Paul Holbach" <paulholbachDELETETHENAME@freenet.de> wrote:


For example, the founder of the Big Bang theory, Georges Lemaitre, was
a theist -- so what?!
His theistic worldview may have stimulated his scientific reflections,
but the only thing that counts is whether his theory is true or not.


I've read some of his writings, and they boil down to "maybe God's
creation is what we see, and Genesis is a "just-so" story to tide us
over until we were able to discern the greater truth."

Healthy way to look at things.


There is certainly a qualitative difference between a sophisticated
philosophical theism and a primitive biblical literalism.

No. They are both unjustified beliefs with rationalisations from
within the belief system.

#PH

.


User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 14 Apr 2006 10:28:34 PM
Douglas Berry wrote:

For example, the founder of the Big Bang theory, Georges Lemaitre, was
a theist -- so what?!
His theistic worldview may have stimulated his scientific reflections,
but the only thing that counts is whether his theory is true or not.


I've read some of his writings, and they boil down to "maybe God's
creation is what we see, and Genesis is a "just-so" story to tide us
over until we were able to discern the greater truth."

What if the God, if it exists, created everything so that it evolved
just like it appears to have evolved on the best evidence and theories?
Or could the God have the power to cause the world to evolve as it
appeared to on the evidence?
Of course your "just-so" story could be the effects of human
"oral-traditions" and how the story changed a little bit each time it
passed on till finally written down in some way.
Or it could have resulted from;
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/de24d6e31a496465
Reconstructive Memory
Our memory plays an important role in all our social interactions.
Because of this, it is vital to grasp this one thing about memory:
Human memory is re-constructive in nature. By this I mean that we
cannot tap into a literal translation of past events.
It is not like playing back a tape recorder or a VCR; instead, we
re-create our memories from bits and pieces of actual events filtered
through and modified by our notions of what might have been and what
should have been.
Our memories are also profoundly influenced
by what people might have told us about the
specific events- long after they occurred.
As Anthony Greenwald has noted, if historians revised and distorted
history to the same extent that we do in trying to recall events from
our own lives, they'd lose their jobs! Of course, most of us would like
to believe that our memories contain only the truth about the past. To
most people, the idea that their memory is fallible is somewhat
frightening.
....Elizabeth Loftus ...conducted a fascinating program of research on
re-constructive memory-investigating how ... "suggestive" questioning
can influence memory and subsequent eyewitness testimony.
In one of her experiments, Loftus showed subjects a film depicting a
multiple-car accident.
After the film;
some of the subjects were asked,
"About how fast were the cars going
when they smashed into each other?"
Other subjects were asked the same
question, but the word smashed was
replaced by the word hit.
Subjects who were asked about smashing cars, as opposed to hitting
cars, estimated that the cars were going significantly faster;
moreover, a week after seeing the film, they were more likely to state
(erroneously) that there was broken glass at the accident scene.
Leading questions can not only influence the judgment of facts (as in
the case above), but also can affect the memory of what has happened.
In one of her early studies, Loftus showed subjects a series of slides
depicting an auto-pedestrian accident. In a critical slide, a green car
drove past the accident. Immediately after viewing the slides, half of
the subjects were asked, "Did the blue car that drove past the accident
have a ski rack on the roof ?" The remaining subjects were asked this
same question but with the word blue deleted. Those subjects who were
asked about the "blue" car were more likely to claim incorrectly that
they had seen a blue car. A simple question had changed their memory.
The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22reconstructive+memory%22

Healthy way to look at things.
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

.



User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 15 Apr 2006 12:44:03 AM
Neil Kelsey wrote:

Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Synopsis

During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.


Continually trying to discredit Darwin is irrelevant to whether or not
evolution is valid.

They seem to think somehow that
if they can discredit Darwin
their imaginary god will suddenly appear.
And they wonder why there are atheists !
.

User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 01:05:26 PM
On 13 Apr 2006 10:56:00 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Synopsis

During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.


Continually trying to discredit Darwin is irrelevant to whether or not
evolution is valid.

It's an old principle. Attack the messenger not the message.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.
User: "Fooj"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 20 Apr 2006 11:25:07 PM
Les Hellawell wrote:

On 13 Apr 2006 10:56:00 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts


Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp


Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9


There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Synopsis

During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.


Continually trying to discredit Darwin is irrelevant to whether or not
evolution is valid.


It's an old principle. Attack the messenger not the message.

What message? Darwin clearly had nothing of the sort.

Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County

.



User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 15 Apr 2006 12:42:03 AM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1613801/posts

Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

IDIOT



http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by truthfinder9

There's an interesting article in the current issue of the Christian
Research Journal (v29, #2) on how Darwin's atheism/materialism
influenced his writing more than actual science did. Also revealing is
how his ambiguous God references in his books - often pointed to as
'proof' he never abandoned theism - were simply there so he
wouldn't insult friends and his wife. The article won't be on their
website for awhile, but its worth getting a copy if you don't
subscribe. Darwin's own writings admit that he lied in early works
about a belief in God. So from the very beginning it seems that
Darwinism wasn't based on science, but on religion, in this case
atheism.

Is Darwinism Atheistic? An Examination of the Beliefs and Practices of
Charles Darwin Bill Johnson Christian Research Journal (v29,#2)

http://www.equip.org/journal/index.asp

Synopsis

During the 19th century Charles Darwin introduced his theory of
evolution by natural selection. His goal was to show that life was not
the result of divine intervention, but the work of blind naturalistic
processes. Darwin claimed to have arrived at the this truth working
strictly with the facts apart from any preconceived ideas, and this is
exactly how most people today perceive Darwinism. Dissenters have
argued that Darwin is not science, but that Darwin superimposed an
atheistic/materialistic worldview on nature, then searched for the
facts to support his theory. Darwinians responded that Darwin's own
writings show that he was not an atheist, but always believed in some
form of deity. A careful study of Darwin's writings, especially his
posthumously published private notebooks and personal communication,
reveals that Darwin was indeed an atheist and his theory of natural
selection was formulated to replace a creator with naturalistic
processes.

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User: ""

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 01:29:34 PM
This is just untrue. Darwin I think is open to criticism for being to
close the "Establishment" and saying the right things. Not for anything
else.
The Origin of Species was published after Wallace sent Darwin a paper
as a referee. This was a paper on Evolution and Wallace proposed a
theory that was very close to Darwin's. Darwin had in fact published
nothing on Evolution but had published extensively on other topics.
After seeing Wallace's manuscript he then decided to rush into print
himself. I think Darwin's conduct was disgraceful but not for the
reasons given by the "Sound of the Trumpet". He did not referee with
integrity. He shoulod have published (and be damned) ages ago, but he
insisted on kow towing to the Establishment.
To me Evolution is the theory of WALLACE. Without him it would never
have seen the light of day.
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User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Darwin Was Influenced By Atheism, Not By Science 13 Apr 2006 07:08:26 PM
What's so funny about peace, love and "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> posting the following on 13 Apr 2006
10:52:36 -0700 iin alt.atheism?

Darwin Was Not Influenced by Science

Bollocks. Darwin's observations on HMS Beagle were the very epitome
of scientific method. He made observations and proposed a theory to
explain them, then offered evidence to back that theory.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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