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Date: 28 Sep 2005 11:22:05 AM
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The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?
by Wayne Jackson
http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm
Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.
Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
and his dogma of biological evolution.
In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.
Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:
"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
added).
Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.
Nietzsche was a vigorous opponent of Christian morality, which he knew
fostered support for the weak. One historian has written that
Nietzsche's cardinal idea was "the notion that natural selection
should be permitted to operate unhindered in the case of human beings
as it does with plants and animals."
However, he believed that "before any such process of natural
selection could operate, religious obstacles would have to be removed.
Nietzsche therefore demanded that the moral supremacy of Christianity
and Judaism should be overthrown" (Burns, 1963, p. 809). He argued
that the preservation of sick and suffering people contributed to the
deterioration of the race (Flewelling, 1946, p. 423).
In 1888, the German philosopher lapsed into a state of complete
insanity, which continued until his death in 1900. Had his views been
practically applied to him, he would have been eliminated at that
point.
His ideas did not die with him. Nietzsche's views, coupled with the
earlier notions of Johann Fichte (1762-1814) - who argued that the
Germans were a superior race destined to assume leadership of the
civilized world - provided the philosophical basis for Hitler's
policy which was implemented in the Holocaust.
Adolf Hitler was born in 1889. His childhood was an unhappy one, and
early-on, he was undisciplined and rebellious. Hitler fought in the
German army during World War I (1914-1918), and was twice decorated. In
1920, he joined the German Workers' party which eventually evolved
into the Nazi party.
Adolf Hitler was a skillful manipulator of men and he gradually began
to gain power. In 1923, he attempted to incite a revolution. The
rebellion was foiled and he was sentenced to five years in prison.
While there, Hitler began the composition of his famous book Mein Kampf
(My Struggle). In this wretched volume, the mad ruler set forth his
views regarding the future of Germany.
He believed that the German people were the highest species on earth.
Germans must be kept pure, he argued, so that German children would be
"images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and
ape" (Jenks, 1979, p. 238). He felt that if the Jews were allowed to
mingle with the superior species, it would render futile "an
evolutionary higher stage of being" (Clark, 1967, p. 115). When
Hitler came into full power in the early 1930's, his beliefs were
politically and militarily set in motion.
A key plan for the implementation of Hitler's policies was the
practice of eugenics. Eugenics has to do with the systematic
elimination of biologically unfit individuals from society. In Mein
Kampf, Hitler declared:
"The mixing of the higher and lower races is clearly against the
intent of nature and involves the extinction of the Aryan race . . .
Where Aryan blood has mixed with that of lower peoples the result has
been the end of the bearers of culture" (quoted in Howard & Rifkin,
1977, p. 72).
Every student of history is familiar with how Hitler attempted to
eliminate the "unfit" from German society. The deformed, the
mentally ill, the Jews, etc. - none of those whom he deemed unworthy
were spared. Again, though, the question is - what ideology was
motivating this madman?
Though one hears precious little about it these days, careful scholars
have not altogether ignored the connection between Hitler's
holocaustic policies and the evolutionary philosophy which the Fuhrer
had adopted. In his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third
Reich, William Shirer asked:
". . . where did Hitler get his ideas? . . . he had somehow absorbed,
as had so many Germans, a weird mixture of the irresponsible,
megalomanical ideas which erupted from German thinkers during the
nineteenth century."
Shirer goes on to mention by name such men as Fichte, Hegel (who
inspired Marx and Lenin), Treitschke, Nietzsche and Richard Wagner, the
composer (1960, p. 97).
Hitler almost idolized Nietzsche. He frequently visited the Nietzsche
museum in Weimar "and publicized his veneration for the philosopher
by posing for photographs of himself staring in rapture at the bust of
the great man" (Shirer, p. 100). It has also been shown that Ernst
Haeckel (1834-1919), an evolutionary biologist contemporary with
Darwin, was the man who introduced evolutionary concepts into German
intellectual life, and thus he significantly helped to shape Hitler's
twisted thinking (Morris, 1989, pp. 72-74).
Sir Arthur Keith was one of Great Britain's leading evolutionary
anthropologists in the mid-1900's. In one of his popular books he
conceded:
"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an
evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of
Germany conform to the theory of evolution" (1947, p. 230).
Dr. Robert E.D. Clark has noted:
"Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching -
probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite
undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf -
and in his public speeches" (1967, p. 115).
Dr. Edward Simpson, an evolutionary professor of biology at Purdue
University, while attempting to weaken the association between
Darwinism and the Holocaust, nonetheless confessed:
"I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the
atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
possible" (1983, p. 24B).
In all the media attention that has been given to the Holocaust over
the past several decades, this writer has not seen a solitary line from
the popular press addressing the philosophical foundation upon which
Nazism was based.
Why has no consideration been given to the ideological factors that
spawned the horrible tragedy of the Holocaust? The answer is simple.
Modern journalists are intimidated by or enamored with the Darwinean
hypothesis. They thus refuse to acknowledge the connection between the
seed and the fruit.
But the association is historically undeniable. We might do well to
reflect upon the words of George Santayana: Those who do not remember
the past are condemned to relive it.
http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm
.

User: "bob young"

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words of truth wrote:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson

http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm

Why are you not posting in alt.binaries.wierdocrap?



Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.

Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.

What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
and his dogma of biological evolution.

In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.

Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
added).
Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.

Nietzsche was a vigorous opponent of Christian morality, which he knew
fostered support for the weak. One historian has written that
Nietzsche's cardinal idea was "the notion that natural selection
should be permitted to operate unhindered in the case of human beings
as it does with plants and animals."

However, he believed that "before any such process of natural
selection could operate, religious obstacles would have to be removed.
Nietzsche therefore demanded that the moral supremacy of Christianity
and Judaism should be overthrown" (Burns, 1963, p. 809). He argued
that the preservation of sick and suffering people contributed to the
deterioration of the race (Flewelling, 1946, p. 423).

In 1888, the German philosopher lapsed into a state of complete
insanity, which continued until his death in 1900. Had his views been
practically applied to him, he would have been eliminated at that
point.

His ideas did not die with him. Nietzsche's views, coupled with the
earlier notions of Johann Fichte (1762-1814) - who argued that the
Germans were a superior race destined to assume leadership of the
civilized world - provided the philosophical basis for Hitler's
policy which was implemented in the Holocaust.

Adolf Hitler was born in 1889. His childhood was an unhappy one, and
early-on, he was undisciplined and rebellious. Hitler fought in the
German army during World War I (1914-1918), and was twice decorated. In
1920, he joined the German Workers' party which eventually evolved
into the Nazi party.

Adolf Hitler was a skillful manipulator of men and he gradually began
to gain power. In 1923, he attempted to incite a revolution. The
rebellion was foiled and he was sentenced to five years in prison.
While there, Hitler began the composition of his famous book Mein Kampf
(My Struggle). In this wretched volume, the mad ruler set forth his
views regarding the future of Germany.

He believed that the German people were the highest species on earth.
Germans must be kept pure, he argued, so that German children would be
"images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and
ape" (Jenks, 1979, p. 238). He felt that if the Jews were allowed to
mingle with the superior species, it would render futile "an
evolutionary higher stage of being" (Clark, 1967, p. 115). When
Hitler came into full power in the early 1930's, his beliefs were
politically and militarily set in motion.

A key plan for the implementation of Hitler's policies was the
practice of eugenics. Eugenics has to do with the systematic
elimination of biologically unfit individuals from society. In Mein
Kampf, Hitler declared:

"The mixing of the higher and lower races is clearly against the
intent of nature and involves the extinction of the Aryan race . . .
Where Aryan blood has mixed with that of lower peoples the result has
been the end of the bearers of culture" (quoted in Howard & Rifkin,
1977, p. 72).
Every student of history is familiar with how Hitler attempted to
eliminate the "unfit" from German society. The deformed, the
mentally ill, the Jews, etc. - none of those whom he deemed unworthy
were spared. Again, though, the question is - what ideology was
motivating this madman?

Though one hears precious little about it these days, careful scholars
have not altogether ignored the connection between Hitler's
holocaustic policies and the evolutionary philosophy which the Fuhrer
had adopted. In his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third
Reich, William Shirer asked:

". . . where did Hitler get his ideas? . . . he had somehow absorbed,
as had so many Germans, a weird mixture of the irresponsible,
megalomanical ideas which erupted from German thinkers during the
nineteenth century."
Shirer goes on to mention by name such men as Fichte, Hegel (who
inspired Marx and Lenin), Treitschke, Nietzsche and Richard Wagner, the
composer (1960, p. 97).

Hitler almost idolized Nietzsche. He frequently visited the Nietzsche
museum in Weimar "and publicized his veneration for the philosopher
by posing for photographs of himself staring in rapture at the bust of
the great man" (Shirer, p. 100). It has also been shown that Ernst
Haeckel (1834-1919), an evolutionary biologist contemporary with
Darwin, was the man who introduced evolutionary concepts into German
intellectual life, and thus he significantly helped to shape Hitler's
twisted thinking (Morris, 1989, pp. 72-74).

Sir Arthur Keith was one of Great Britain's leading evolutionary
anthropologists in the mid-1900's. In one of his popular books he
conceded:

"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an
evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of
Germany conform to the theory of evolution" (1947, p. 230).
Dr. Robert E.D. Clark has noted:

"Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching -
probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite
undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf -
and in his public speeches" (1967, p. 115).
Dr. Edward Simpson, an evolutionary professor of biology at Purdue
University, while attempting to weaken the association between
Darwinism and the Holocaust, nonetheless confessed:

"I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the
atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
possible" (1983, p. 24B).
In all the media attention that has been given to the Holocaust over
the past several decades, this writer has not seen a solitary line from
the popular press addressing the philosophical foundation upon which
Nazism was based.

Why has no consideration been given to the ideological factors that
spawned the horrible tragedy of the Holocaust? The answer is simple.
Modern journalists are intimidated by or enamored with the Darwinean
hypothesis. They thus refuse to acknowledge the connection between the
seed and the fruit.

But the association is historically undeniable. We might do well to
reflect upon the words of George Santayana: Those who do not remember
the past are condemned to relive it.

http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm

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<p>words of truth wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?
<p>by Wayne Jackson
<p><a href="http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm">http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm</a></blockquote>
Why are you not posting in alt.binaries.wierdocrap?
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm"></a>&nbsp;
<p>Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
<br>of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
<br>silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his
<br>associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
<br>&nbsp;On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated
in
<br>Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
<br>million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
<br>Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.
<p>Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
<br>of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
<br>silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
<br>his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
<p>What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
<br>means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
<br>connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
<br>and his dogma of biological evolution.
<p>In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin
of
<br>Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
<br>by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races
In
<br>The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
<br>levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate
the
<br>weak in the struggle for survival.
<p>Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
<br>(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:
<p>"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
<br>those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
<br>civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process
of
<br>elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
<br>sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
<br>skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
<br>to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
<br>constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
<br>members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
<br>attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
<br>be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
<br>added).
<br>Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
<br>areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
<br>a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
<br>reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
<br>see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
<br>only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.
<p>Nietzsche was a vigorous opponent of Christian morality, which he knew
<br>fostered support for the weak. One historian has written that
<br>Nietzsche's cardinal idea was "the notion that natural selection
<br>should be permitted to operate unhindered in the case of human beings
<br>as it does with plants and animals."
<p>However, he believed that "before any such process of natural
<br>selection could operate, religious obstacles would have to be removed.
<br>Nietzsche therefore demanded that the moral supremacy of Christianity
<br>and Judaism should be overthrown" (Burns, 1963, p. 809). He argued
<br>that the preservation of sick and suffering people contributed to the
<br>deterioration of the race (Flewelling, 1946, p. 423).
<p>In 1888, the German philosopher lapsed into a state of complete
<br>insanity, which continued until his death in 1900. Had his views been
<br>practically applied to him, he would have been eliminated at that
<br>point.
<p>His ideas did not die with him. Nietzsche's views, coupled with the
<br>earlier notions of Johann Fichte (1762-1814) - who argued that the
<br>Germans were a superior race destined to assume leadership of the
<br>civilized world - provided the philosophical basis for Hitler's
<br>policy which was implemented in the Holocaust.
<p>Adolf Hitler was born in 1889. His childhood was an unhappy one, and
<br>early-on, he was undisciplined and rebellious. Hitler fought in the
<br>German army during World War I (1914-1918), and was twice decorated.
In
<br>1920, he joined the German Workers' party which eventually evolved
<br>into the Nazi party.
<p>Adolf Hitler was a skillful manipulator of men and he gradually began
<br>to gain power. In 1923, he attempted to incite a revolution. The
<br>rebellion was foiled and he was sentenced to five years in prison.
<br>While there, Hitler began the composition of his famous book Mein Kampf
<br>(My Struggle). In this wretched volume, the mad ruler set forth his
<br>views regarding the future of Germany.
<p>He believed that the German people were the highest species on earth.
<br>Germans must be kept pure, he argued, so that German children would
be
<br>"images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and
<br>ape" (Jenks, 1979, p. 238). He felt that if the Jews were allowed to
<br>mingle with the superior species, it would render futile "an
<br>evolutionary higher stage of being" (Clark, 1967, p. 115). When
<br>Hitler came into full power in the early 1930's, his beliefs were
<br>politically and militarily set in motion.
<p>A key plan for the implementation of Hitler's policies was the
<br>practice of eugenics. Eugenics has to do with the systematic
<br>elimination of biologically unfit individuals from society. In Mein
<br>Kampf, Hitler declared:
<p>"The mixing of the higher and lower races is clearly against the
<br>intent of nature and involves the extinction of the Aryan race . .
..
<br>Where Aryan blood has mixed with that of lower peoples the result has
<br>been the end of the bearers of culture" (quoted in Howard &amp; Rifkin,
<br>1977, p. 72).
<br>Every student of history is familiar with how Hitler attempted to
<br>eliminate the "unfit" from German society. The deformed, the
<br>mentally ill, the Jews, etc. - none of those whom he deemed unworthy
<br>were spared. Again, though, the question is - what ideology was
<br>motivating this madman?
<p>Though one hears precious little about it these days, careful scholars
<br>have not altogether ignored the connection between Hitler's
<br>holocaustic policies and the evolutionary philosophy which the Fuhrer
<br>had adopted. In his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third
<br>Reich, William Shirer asked:
<p>". . . where did Hitler get his ideas? . . . he had somehow absorbed,
<br>as had so many Germans, a weird mixture of the irresponsible,
<br>megalomanical ideas which erupted from German thinkers during the
<br>nineteenth century."
<br>Shirer goes on to mention by name such men as Fichte, Hegel (who
<br>inspired Marx and Lenin), Treitschke, Nietzsche and Richard Wagner,
the
<br>composer (1960, p. 97).
<p>Hitler almost idolized Nietzsche. He frequently visited the Nietzsche
<br>museum in Weimar "and publicized his veneration for the philosopher
<br>by posing for photographs of himself staring in rapture at the bust
of
<br>the great man" (Shirer, p. 100). It has also been shown that Ernst
<br>Haeckel (1834-1919), an evolutionary biologist contemporary with
<br>Darwin, was the man who introduced evolutionary concepts into German
<br>intellectual life, and thus he significantly helped to shape Hitler's
<br>twisted thinking (Morris, 1989, pp. 72-74).
<p>Sir Arthur Keith was one of Great Britain's leading evolutionary
<br>anthropologists in the mid-1900's. In one of his popular books he
<br>conceded:
<p>"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an
<br>evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of
<br>Germany conform to the theory of evolution" (1947, p. 230).
<br>Dr. Robert E.D. Clark has noted:
<p>"Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching -
<br>probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite
<br>undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf -
<br>and in his public speeches" (1967, p. 115).
<br>Dr. Edward Simpson, an evolutionary professor of biology at Purdue
<br>University, while attempting to weaken the association between
<br>Darwinism and the Holocaust, nonetheless confessed:
<p>"I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
<br>the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and
the
<br>atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
<br>possible" (1983, p. 24B).
<br>In all the media attention that has been given to the Holocaust over
<br>the past several decades, this writer has not seen a solitary line
from
<br>the popular press addressing the philosophical foundation upon which
<br>Nazism was based.
<p>Why has no consideration been given to the ideological factors that
<br>spawned the horrible tragedy of the Holocaust? The answer is simple.
<br>Modern journalists are intimidated by or enamored with the Darwinean
<br>hypothesis. They thus refuse to acknowledge the connection between
the
<br>seed and the fruit.
<p>But the association is historically undeniable. We might do well to
<br>reflect upon the words of George Santayana: Those who do not remember
<br>the past are condemned to relive it.
<p><a href="http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm">http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm</a></blockquote>
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User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 PM
In article <433B5E03.83D49EC3@netvigator.com>,
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

"I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the
atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
possible" (1983, p. 24B).

Then no doubt Darwin is equally responsible for the ravages of Ghengis
Khan and dother such butchery.
.
User: "Terry Cross"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 11:51:09 PM
Virgil wrote:

In article <433B5E03.83D49EC3@netvigator.com>,
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

"I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the
atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
possible" (1983, p. 24B).


Then no doubt Darwin is equally responsible for the ravages of Ghengis
Khan and dother such butchery.

No that was the Pope. The pope was responsible for fathering the Khans
- or was that the Klans? The pope did the Holocaust, he causeed the
Hurricane, and also invented the Ford Pinto.
TCross
.



User: "ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 04:10:16 PM
Christianity allowed the crusades where tens of thousands of Jews were
murdered.
Christianity allowed for the Inquisition where tens of thousands of Jews
were murdered.
Christianity allowed the pogroms tens of thousands of Jews were
murdered.
Christianity allowed the enslavement of Africans.
Christianity allowed to World Wars to happen.
Christianity today allows the murder of hundred of Jews every year,
because they choose to fund and be blackmailed by ARABS.
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?
:
: by Wayne Jackson
:
:
: http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm
:
:
:
: Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest
eras
: of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of
historical
: silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
: associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
: On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
: Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
: million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
: Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.
:
: Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest
eras
: of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of
historical
: silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
: his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
:
: What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
: means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
: connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
: and his dogma of biological evolution.
:
: In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin
of
: Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of
Species
: by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races
In
: The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
: levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate
the
: weak in the struggle for survival.
:
: Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
: (1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:
:
:
: "With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
: those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
: civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process
of
: elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
: sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
: skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is
reason
: to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
: constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
: members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
: attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
: be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
: added).
: Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
: areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche
(1844-1900),
: a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
: reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
: see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
: only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.
:
: Nietzsche was a vigorous opponent of Christian morality, which he knew
: fostered support for the weak. One historian has written that
: Nietzsche's cardinal idea was "the notion that natural selection
: should be permitted to operate unhindered in the case of human beings
: as it does with plants and animals."
:
: However, he believed that "before any such process of natural
: selection could operate, religious obstacles would have to be removed.
: Nietzsche therefore demanded that the moral supremacy of Christianity
: and Judaism should be overthrown" (Burns, 1963, p. 809). He argued
: that the preservation of sick and suffering people contributed to the
: deterioration of the race (Flewelling, 1946, p. 423).
:
: In 1888, the German philosopher lapsed into a state of complete
: insanity, which continued until his death in 1900. Had his views been
: practically applied to him, he would have been eliminated at that
: point.
:
: His ideas did not die with him. Nietzsche's views, coupled with the
: earlier notions of Johann Fichte (1762-1814) - who argued that the
: Germans were a superior race destined to assume leadership of the
: civilized world - provided the philosophical basis for Hitler's
: policy which was implemented in the Holocaust.
:
: Adolf Hitler was born in 1889. His childhood was an unhappy one, and
: early-on, he was undisciplined and rebellious. Hitler fought in the
: German army during World War I (1914-1918), and was twice decorated.
In
: 1920, he joined the German Workers' party which eventually evolved
: into the Nazi party.
:
: Adolf Hitler was a skillful manipulator of men and he gradually began
: to gain power. In 1923, he attempted to incite a revolution. The
: rebellion was foiled and he was sentenced to five years in prison.
: While there, Hitler began the composition of his famous book Mein
Kampf
: (My Struggle). In this wretched volume, the mad ruler set forth his
: views regarding the future of Germany.
:
: He believed that the German people were the highest species on earth.
: Germans must be kept pure, he argued, so that German children would be
: "images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and
: ape" (Jenks, 1979, p. 238). He felt that if the Jews were allowed to
: mingle with the superior species, it would render futile "an
: evolutionary higher stage of being" (Clark, 1967, p. 115). When
: Hitler came into full power in the early 1930's, his beliefs were
: politically and militarily set in motion.
:
: A key plan for the implementation of Hitler's policies was the
: practice of eugenics. Eugenics has to do with the systematic
: elimination of biologically unfit individuals from society. In Mein
: Kampf, Hitler declared:
:
:
: "The mixing of the higher and lower races is clearly against the
: intent of nature and involves the extinction of the Aryan race . . .
: Where Aryan blood has mixed with that of lower peoples the result has
: been the end of the bearers of culture" (quoted in Howard & Rifkin,
: 1977, p. 72).
: Every student of history is familiar with how Hitler attempted to
: eliminate the "unfit" from German society. The deformed, the
: mentally ill, the Jews, etc. - none of those whom he deemed unworthy
: were spared. Again, though, the question is - what ideology was
: motivating this madman?
:
: Though one hears precious little about it these days, careful scholars
: have not altogether ignored the connection between Hitler's
: holocaustic policies and the evolutionary philosophy which the Fuhrer
: had adopted. In his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third
: Reich, William Shirer asked:
:
:
: ". . . where did Hitler get his ideas? . . . he had somehow absorbed,
: as had so many Germans, a weird mixture of the irresponsible,
: megalomanical ideas which erupted from German thinkers during the
: nineteenth century."
: Shirer goes on to mention by name such men as Fichte, Hegel (who
: inspired Marx and Lenin), Treitschke, Nietzsche and Richard Wagner,
the
: composer (1960, p. 97).
:
: Hitler almost idolized Nietzsche. He frequently visited the Nietzsche
: museum in Weimar "and publicized his veneration for the philosopher
: by posing for photographs of himself staring in rapture at the bust of
: the great man" (Shirer, p. 100). It has also been shown that Ernst
: Haeckel (1834-1919), an evolutionary biologist contemporary with
: Darwin, was the man who introduced evolutionary concepts into German
: intellectual life, and thus he significantly helped to shape Hitler's
: twisted thinking (Morris, 1989, pp. 72-74).
:
: Sir Arthur Keith was one of Great Britain's leading evolutionary
: anthropologists in the mid-1900's. In one of his popular books he
: conceded:
:
:
: "The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an
: evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of
: Germany conform to the theory of evolution" (1947, p. 230).
: Dr. Robert E.D. Clark has noted:
:
:
: "Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching -
: probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite
: undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf -
: and in his public speeches" (1967, p. 115).
: Dr. Edward Simpson, an evolutionary professor of biology at Purdue
: University, while attempting to weaken the association between
: Darwinism and the Holocaust, nonetheless confessed:
:
:
: "I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on
: the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the
: atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust
: possible" (1983, p. 24B).
: In all the media attention that has been given to the Holocaust over
: the past several decades, this writer has not seen a solitary line
from
: the popular press addressing the philosophical foundation upon which
: Nazism was based.
:
: Why has no consideration been given to the ideological factors that
: spawned the horrible tragedy of the Holocaust? The answer is simple.
: Modern journalists are intimidated by or enamored with the Darwinean
: hypothesis. They thus refuse to acknowledge the connection between the
: seed and the fruit.
:
: But the association is historically undeniable. We might do well to
: reflect upon the words of George Santayana: Those who do not remember
: the past are condemned to relive it.
:
:
:
: http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm
:
.
User: "Aria"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 06:17:31 PM

Christianity today allows the murder of hundred of Jews every year,
because they choose to fund and be blackmailed by ARABS.

what are you talking about? all i see is Christians and Jews killing
Arabs right now (Iraq & Palestines) so I'm not sure what you are
referring to. There are, however, publicly known pro-Israeli groups
that motivate the USA's foreign policies which is in favor of the
Isrealis, am I wrong?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 29 Sep 2005 01:13:03 PM
On 28-Sep-2005, "Aria" <akashefi@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:

what are you talking about? all i see is Christians and Jews killing
Arabs right now (Iraq & Palestines)

Ah, Riain was right: you are not only a Jew-hater but a moron.
Susan
.
User: "Terry Cross"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 29 Sep 2005 01:19:36 PM
wrote:

On 28-Sep-2005, "Aria" <akashefi@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:

what are you talking about? all i see is Christians and Jews killing
Arabs right now (Iraq & Palestines)


Ah, Riain was right:

Riain is never right, but he always has your support.

you are not only a Jew-hater but a moron.

All it takes to qualify as a "Jew hater" in your book is to refuse to
see things yuor way. Like a spoiled child when you don't get your way,
you are always sticking out your lower lip and reciting, "You hate me,
you hate me!"
You should see how it looks from this side - it is pathetic - and
monotonous.
TCross
.




User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 12:50:44 PM
In <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:

Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible

No matter how many times you shriek this, it won't become true...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 04:59:10 PM
In <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:

There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence

And off to Plant Conspiracy we go!
(Anyway, the aliens did it!)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.
User: "Terry Cross"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 05:15:47 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:

There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence


And off to Plant Conspiracy we go!

(Anyway, the aliens did it!)

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Of course, everybody knows about the conspiracy between the Catholic
church and the Nazis. What you mean is, YES to Mark Bilbo's favorite
conspiracies, and NO to all the others.
TCross
.


User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 11:34:00 AM
In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> writes:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm



Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.

Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.

What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
and his dogma of biological evolution.

In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.

Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:


"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
added).
Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.

Typical dishonest pseudo-Christian -- carefully editing out what Darwin
said next, in which he explicitly and pointedly rejects the path
that Hitler would take:
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an
incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally
acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in
the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused.
Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason,
without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon
may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he
is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to
neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent
benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.


-- cary
.
User: "James"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 12:20:48 PM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> writes:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm



Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.

Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.

What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
and his dogma of biological evolution.

In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.

Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:


"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
added).
Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.



Typical dishonest pseudo-Christian -- carefully editing out what Darwin
said next, in which he explicitly and pointedly rejects the path
that Hitler would take:

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an
incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally
acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in
the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused.
Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason,
without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon
may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he
is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to
neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent
benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.

People still harp the "Darwin was a Nazi" thing? Some things never
cease to amaze me. Even if the evidence indicating that Hitler was
religious (or pseudo-religious)and that evolution doesn't support
eugenics didn't exist, it still would have absolutely nothing to say on
the subject of scientific validity.
--
James B
aa #944
"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."
-David Hume
.

User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 10:27:06 PM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> writes:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm



Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.

Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and
his associates perpetrated that infamous evil.

What was the motive that fired the lunacy of the Fuhrer's (the word
means "leader") ambitions? The grim truth is, there is a direct
connection between the Holocaust and the teachings of Charles Darwin
and his dogma of biological evolution.

In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.

Subsequently, Darwin produced yet another work, The Descent of Man
(1871), in which he wrote even more explicitly:


"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and
those that survive commonly exhibit a vigourous state of health. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost
skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason
to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak
constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak
members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has
attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must
be highly injurious to the race of man" (Darwin, 1872, p. 130, emp.
added).
Darwin's influence was tremendous and his ideas were applied to many
areas of life. One of his admirers was Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900),
a German philosopher. Nietzsche took the famous naturalist's
reasoning to what he felt was its logical conclusion - he longed to
see the development of a "super-race," and he felt that such could
only be achieved by the extinction of inferior races and individuals.


Typical dishonest pseudo-Christian -- carefully editing out what Darwin
said next, in which he explicitly and pointedly rejects the path
that Hitler would take:

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We
have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and
that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it
out." --Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 10/24/33
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by
a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned
men to fight against them and who, God's truth!" --Adolf Hitler, 4/12/22
"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By
fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." - Adolf Hitler,
_Mein Kampf_.
In a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in "My New Order," and
quoted in Freethought Today (April 1990), Hitler said:
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .....



The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an
incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally
acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in
the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused.
Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason,
without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon
may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he
is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to
neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent
benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.


-- cary

.


User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Christian anti-semitism made Holocaust happen 28 Sep 2005 03:46:43 PM
In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth21@lycos.com says...

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

Christians conducted numerous pogroms against Jews throughout the middle
ages, because of their doctrine of blood guilt, as put forward by their
religious texts and church leaders. Their systematic dehumanization of
jews including forcing them to live in ghettos and to wear stars of David
far before Hitler was even born. The diaspora was not caused by
"darwinists" or atheists, but by christians. The oppression of
"converso" jews during the inquisition was not done by atheists or
darwinists either. Without christianity laying the ground work anti-
semitism for centuries, the Jewish Holocaust almost certainly never would
have existed.
.
User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Christian anti-semitism made Holocaust happen 28 Sep 2005 05:57:37 PM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da4af1c959d6887989688@news.readfreenews.net...

In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth21@lycos.com says...

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?


Christians conducted numerous pogroms against Jews throughout the middle
ages, because of their doctrine of blood guilt, as put forward by their
religious texts and church leaders. Their systematic dehumanization of
jews including forcing them to live in ghettos and to wear stars of David
far before Hitler was even born. The diaspora was not caused by
"darwinists" or atheists, but by christians. The oppression of
"converso" jews during the inquisition was not done by atheists or
darwinists either. Without christianity laying the ground work anti-
semitism for centuries, the Jewish Holocaust almost certainly never would
have existed.

You've got that right. The various nationalities that have persecuted the
Jews
down through the centuries weren't all Buddhists, were they?
Greywolf
.

User: "Mary Hogan"

Title: Re: Christian anti-semitism made Holocaust happen 28 Sep 2005 04:01:16 PM
Esau, Rome, Amalek.....
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In article <1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth21@lycos.com says...

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?


Christians conducted numerous pogroms against Jews throughout the middle
ages, because of their doctrine of blood guilt, as put forward by their
religious texts and church leaders. Their systematic dehumanization of
jews including forcing them to live in ghettos and to wear stars of David
far before Hitler was even born. The diaspora was not caused by
"darwinists" or atheists, but by christians. The oppression of
"converso" jews during the inquisition was not done by atheists or
darwinists either. Without christianity laying the ground work anti-
semitism for centuries, the Jewish Holocaust almost certainly never would
have existed.

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User: "Chris Johnson"

Title: Re: Christian anti-semitism made Holocaust happen 28 Sep 2005 04:13:40 PM
Mary Hogan wrote:

Esau, Rome, Amalek.....

Esau (is said to have) hated his brother because he was the prefered
son. Big fucking deal. Apparently the small nation descended from him
inhereted that hatred. But according to your magic book, didn't Israel
wipe them out?
Rome, in case you weren't aware, treated the Jews very well. They did
not insist on conversion and let the Jews govern themselves. Romans had
a deep respect for anything ancient, and the Hebrew religion certainly
qualified to them. Granted, the Jews may not have been pleased with the
situation, but they were treated better than pretty much any other
conquered people.
What happened with Amalek?
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User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 04:41:48 PM
On 28 Sep 2005 09:22:05 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

Centuries of German Christian anti-Semitism comes to mind...
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 11:30:59 PM
On 28 Sep 2005 09:22:05 -0700, in alt.atheism , "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> in
<1127924525.798220.23440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm

Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.
On April 22, 1993, the Holocaust Memorial Museum was dedicated in
Washington, D.C. The museum is supposed to be a reminder of the 6
million Jews (and others) who were exterminated at the behest of Adolf
Hitler and his Nazi henchmen during World War II.

It is astounding that so many Christians work to blame evolution and
Darwin for the Shoah. Somehow the Jews don't do that. They blame
Hitler or the Nazis or the Germans or the hundreds and hundreds of
years of Protestant and Catholic anti-Semitism.
BTW, were the pogroms in Russia because of Darwin as well?

He believed that the German people were the highest species on earth.

Ah, so he did not understand evolution at the very least. The concept
of higher/lower species pre-dates Darwin, it was one of the ideas that
Darwin *refuted*.

Germans must be kept pure,

Another anti-evolution concept.

he argued, so that German children would be
"images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and
ape" (Jenks, 1979, p. 238).

A religious motivation.

He felt that if the Jews were allowed to
mingle with the superior species, it would render futile "an
evolutionary higher stage of being" (Clark, 1967, p. 115).

Yet another pre-Darwin concept that Darwin opposed.
[snip]

A key plan for the implementation of Hitler's policies was the
practice of eugenics. Eugenics has to do with the systematic
elimination of biologically unfit individuals from society. In Mein
Kampf, Hitler declared:


"The mixing of the higher and lower races is clearly against the
intent of nature and involves the extinction of the Aryan race . . .
Where Aryan blood has mixed with that of lower peoples the result has
been the end of the bearers of culture" (quoted in Howard & Rifkin,
1977, p. 72).

So in his book he does not mention Darwin or evolution and presents
ideas that conflict with Darwin's.

Every student of history is familiar with how Hitler attempted to
eliminate the "unfit" from German society. The deformed, the
mentally ill, the Jews, etc. - none of those whom he deemed unworthy
were spared. Again, though, the question is - what ideology was
motivating this madman?

Yet another idea that conflicts with evolution.

Though one hears precious little about it these days, careful scholars
have not altogether ignored the connection between Hitler's
holocaustic policies and the evolutionary philosophy which the Fuhrer
had adopted. In his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third
Reich, William Shirer asked:

". . . where did Hitler get his ideas? . . . he had somehow absorbed,
as had so many Germans, a weird mixture of the irresponsible,
megalomanical ideas which erupted from German thinkers during the
nineteenth century."
Shirer goes on to mention by name such men as Fichte, Hegel (who
inspired Marx and Lenin), Treitschke, Nietzsche and Richard Wagner, the
composer (1960, p. 97).

And somehow forgot to mention Darwin.


Why has no consideration been given to the ideological factors that
spawned the horrible tragedy of the Holocaust? The answer is simple.
Modern journalists are intimidated by or enamored with the Darwinean
hypothesis. They thus refuse to acknowledge the connection between the
seed and the fruit.

But the association is historically undeniable. We might do well to
reflect upon the words of George Santayana: Those who do not remember
the past are condemned to relive it.

Why do so many Protestants ignore Luther's anti-Semitics writings and
the long history of Christian, both Protestant and Catholic and
Eastern Orthodox, anti-Semitism and violence against Jews. Why do they
spend their time looking at the mote in their neighbor's eye and
ignore the beam in their own?


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm

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User: "Joseph Hertzlinger"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 29 Sep 2005 10:57:17 PM
The Holocaust was definitely an example of Darwinism at work. The Jews
are still in existence and the Nazis aren't. The unfit disappeared.
The Nazis made two mistakes when it came to using theories of
evolution:
* They regarded "survival of the fittest" as prescriptive instead
of descriptive. There is no more reason to back evolution with
government power than there is a reason to back gravity with
government power.
* They thought the definition of "fittest" could be dreamed up a
priori. If they had any sense, they would have imitated proven
survivors.
On the other hand, if they had tried to imitate Jews, they would have
imitated their idea of Jews and created a secret conspiracy against
the rest of the world ...
On the gripping hand, I might have just started the next generation of
insane conspiracy theories ...
--
http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com
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User: "Tim K."

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 01 Oct 2005 10:28:32 PM
"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com>
wrote in message
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The Holocaust was definitely an example of Darwinism at work.

No it wasn't.
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User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 30 Sep 2005 06:00:46 PM
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:

The Holocaust was definitely an example of Darwinism at work.
The Jews are still in existence and the Nazis aren't. The unfit
disappeared.

The Nazis made two mistakes when it came to using theories of
evolution:

* They regarded "survival of the fittest" as prescriptive
instead
of descriptive. There is no more reason to back evolution
with government power than there is a reason to back gravity
with government power.

They weren't evolutionists. They were simple breeders such as
pre-Darwinian stock breeders selected strains of chickens, pigs
or horses.
Their idea of what was desirable was based on bigoted ideas of
Count Gobineau and other pre-Darwinian racists. Thus they
adopted the pre-Dawrinian Aryan pesudoscientific ideals from
Gobineau and others.
The idea that tall, blonde, atheletic men and women were Aryan
and to be bred, while Jews and Gypsies were inferior and were
to be dstroyed would not rely on Darwinism any more than stock
breeders before Darwin needed evolution.
The idea that Jews were evil is a biblical idea, not evolutions.
Al this ***** is from evil religionists lying about Darwin for
evil reasons, such as kept pogroms and crusades and religous
wars going for centuries.
The holocaust was just another Christian pogrom is all.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 30 Sep 2005 09:50:42 PM
Nice to see you got something right.
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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:
: They weren't evolutionists. They were simple breeders such as
: pre-Darwinian stock breeders selected strains of chickens, pigs
: or horses.
:
: Their idea of what was desirable was based on bigoted ideas of
: Count Gobineau and other pre-Darwinian racists. Thus they
: adopted the pre-Dawrinian Aryan pesudoscientific ideals from
: Gobineau and others.
:
: The idea that tall, blonde, atheletic men and women were Aryan
: and to be bred, while Jews and Gypsies were inferior and were
: to be dstroyed would not rely on Darwinism any more than stock
: breeders before Darwin needed evolution.
:
: The idea that Jews were evil is a biblical idea, not evolutions.
:
: Al this ***** is from evil religionists lying about Darwin for
: evil reasons, such as kept pogroms and crusades and religous
: wars going for centuries.
:
: The holocaust was just another Christian pogrom is all.
.
User: "Terry Cross"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 30 Sep 2005 10:31:28 PM
=F8=E9=F2=E9=EF =E1=F8=FA=E5=EF=FD/Riain Barton wrote:

Nice to see you got something right.

"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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:
: They weren't evolutionists. They were simple breeders such as
: pre-Darwinian stock breeders selected strains of chickens, pigs
: or horses.
:
: Their idea of what was desirable was based on bigoted ideas of
: Count Gobineau and other pre-Darwinian racists. Thus they
: adopted the pre-Dawrinian Aryan pesudoscientific ideals from
: Gobineau and others.
:
: The idea that tall, blonde, atheletic men and women were Aryan
: and to be bred, while Jews and Gypsies were inferior and were
: to be dstroyed would not rely on Darwinism any more than stock
: breeders before Darwin needed evolution.
:
: The idea that Jews were evil is a biblical idea, not evolutions.
:
: Al this ***** is from evil religionists lying about Darwin for
: evil reasons, such as kept pogroms and crusades and religous
: wars going for centuries.
:
: The holocaust was just another Christian pogrom is all.

It feels good to bang the Christians again, doesn't it, Riain? Never,
never, never bang the Jews because they never do anything wrong.
Anyone who says different is a conspiracy theorist.
we all know that the evil religions are those bad cruel terrible
Christians. And the Muslims, they're bad too. If only those awful
Christians and Muslims would go away and leave the nice poor innocent
Jews in peace.
"Got it right" by your yardstick, but in reality so, so wrong. The
"you bad, us good" philosophy is dangerous and wicked. It is provably
the source of many of the world's problems, wars, and persecutions.
Your own attitude is the attitude you complain about in others.
It is you Riain, you who are the stranger.
TCross
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User: "Joseph Hertzlinger"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 01 Oct 2005 10:21:11 PM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:00:46 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:

The holocaust was just another Christian pogrom is all.

The "Christian" pogroms bore a striking resemblance to pre-Christian
antisemitism.
--
http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com
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User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 12:28:15 PM
on 28 Sep 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet words of truth
(wordsoftruth21@lycos.com) made the light shine upon us with this:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

Religious intolerance. Hitler and his Master Race were staunch Catholics.
--
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chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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User: "rogue"

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 04:18:32 PM
words of truth wrote:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm



Civilized men lament the Holocaust (1933-45) as one of the darkest eras
of modern history. There is, however, almost a conspiracy of historical
silence - few journalists care to reflect upon just why Hitler and his
associates perpetrated that infamous evil.

JERRY
Except, it's not true.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler-myths.htm
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User: "Steven J."

Title: Re: Darwinism and Atheism Made Holocaust Possible 28 Sep 2005 11:41:45 PM
words of truth wrote:

The Holocaust: Why Did It Happen?

by Wayne Jackson


http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/holocaustWhy.htm

-- [snip of prefatory blather]


In 1859, Charles Darwin published his revolutionary book, The Origin of
Species. Actually, the full title of the work is, The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection: or, The Preservation Of Favored Races In
The Struggle For Life. In this book, the author contended that higher
levels of biological existence are attained as the strong eliminate the
weak in the struggle for survival.

Evolutionary theory has no concept of "higher levels of biological
existence." Darwin himself wrote in his notebooks (albeit did not
always observe this injunction in his other writings) not to use the
terms "higher" and "lower" in reference to organisms.
Depending on the environment, and how the organism makes a living in
it, very different traits are "fittest" ("strong" in the author's
scientifically subliterate prose). The thick white fur and stocky
limbs of the arctic fox are "fitter" in the icy arctic, but would be
far less fit in the desert, than the thin dun fur and lanky build of
the desert fox, and vice-versa.
This goes even for overall biological complexity. Parasites evolve to
greater fitness by l