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"The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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05 Mar 2004 09:22:34 PM |
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Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
06 Mar 2004 05:37:32 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed
in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence upon Nazi race policies.
If this is true, then so what? Are you suggesting that evolution is false
simply because some nutcases say they were influenced by it? If that's what
you're saying, you're wrong. I doubt they even understood that theory.
What about the knowledge of the atom? It was used to build nuclear bombs.
It's a dangerous knowledge. Perhaps the bible have a less destructive view
of the world? Because as we all know, the validity of a theory depends on
what people do with it.
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| User: "R. Baldwin" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
05 Mar 2004 10:24:03 PM |
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Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Anyone postiong this many new threads a day gets killfiled.
plonk!<
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| User: "Steven J." |
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05 Mar 2004 10:32:58 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Oddly, the author (Jerry Bergman) does not quote either the actual Nazis or
the influential German biologists on this point, but rather people who wrote
about them. He even notes the difficulty of showing exactly how much
influence Darwinian thought had on the Nazis (and, for that matter, that
racism had been justified in the past on creationist grounds). But no
matter. At least three points need to be made in reply.
First, even if Bergman were correct, it would not be relevant to whether
evolutionary theory was correct, or whether there was a shred of evidence
for creationism. That it would be nice if some proposition were true, and
some contrary proposition false, is itself no reason to suppose the former
actually is true, or the latter actually false. One wonders if you would
grant that, e.g. the gospel accounts of Christ's crucifixion must be
fictional, because the description of the Jewish leaders in them have been
used as a basis for pogrom after pogrom (the Holocaust included) throughout
history.
Second, such use of the idea of natural selection as the Nazis may have used
was illegitimate and biologically illiterate, on many different levels. The
whole notion of clearly defined "superior" and "inferior" races is
anti-Darwinian. Darwin noted that even species were often not well
demarcated from one another, much less races. His theory further noted (and
depended on) the existence of variation within each "race" that exceeded the
variation between the races, so that one could not (as Darwin himself, IIRC,
pointed out) any trait common to all members of one race and absent in all
members of another on which one could stake one's claims of racial
superiority.
A notable feature of racist evolutionists (almost a thick on the ground in
the late 19th and early 20th centuries as racist creationists, though
generally less vehement about their racism) is their reference to the
*average* abilities of this or that race -- merely by virtue of being
"Darwinists" they knew enough not to assume that one could make statements
that were true about all of one "race" an no one in another. Truly "racial"
inferiority is impossible except on the (creationist) assumption of curses
on various races (which was hardly so rare a belief as Bergman wishes to
pretend).
Of course, beyond this, Darwin's theory (and later developments of it) are
descriptive, not normative. Evolution and natural selection deal with
change and fitness (for specific environments), not "superiority" and not
"progress." Evolution, on Darwin's telling or that of modern evolutionists,
does not have goals towards which we can strive or intentions we can serve.
If we thought it had them, that would be no reason to serve them; as one wit
put it, natural selection is no more a justification for racism or
oppression than gravity is for pushing people off rooftops. Nor, of course,
are government eugenics policy "natural" selection except in the very broad
sense that humans are part of nature.
Third, as Tom Scharles has repeatedly noted, any differences among human
races must logically be the result of *micro*evolution. That humans share a
common ancestor with gorillas ten million years back can hardly be a reason
to expect differences among human "races" that diverged perhaps a thousand
centuries ago (although, in point of fact, as modern evolutionists point
out, true "races" do not exist among modern _Homo sapiens_). One can hardly
blame doctrines of racial superiority and inferiority on macro-evolutionary
theories.
-- Steven J.
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| User: "Throatwarbler Mangrove" |
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06 Mar 2004 07:27:47 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:32:58 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J."
<sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
<104ilf1rnhrsb74@corp.supernews.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Oddly, the author (Jerry Bergman) does not quote either the actual Nazis or
the influential German biologists on this point, but rather people who wrote
about them. He even notes the difficulty of showing exactly how much
influence Darwinian thought had on the Nazis (and, for that matter, that
racism had been justified in the past on creationist grounds). But no
matter. At least three points need to be made in reply.
First, even if Bergman were correct, it would not be relevant to whether
evolutionary theory was correct, or whether there was a shred of evidence
for creationism. That it would be nice if some proposition were true, and
some contrary proposition false, is itself no reason to suppose the former
actually is true, or the latter actually false. One wonders if you would
grant that, e.g. the gospel accounts of Christ's crucifixion must be
fictional, because the description of the Jewish leaders in them have been
used as a basis for pogrom after pogrom (the Holocaust included) throughout
history.
Second, such use of the idea of natural selection as the Nazis may have used
was illegitimate and biologically illiterate, on many different levels. The
whole notion of clearly defined "superior" and "inferior" races is
anti-Darwinian. Darwin noted that even species were often not well
demarcated from one another, much less races. His theory further noted (and
depended on) the existence of variation within each "race" that exceeded the
variation between the races, so that one could not (as Darwin himself, IIRC,
pointed out) any trait common to all members of one race and absent in all
members of another on which one could stake one's claims of racial
superiority.
A notable feature of racist evolutionists (almost a thick on the ground in
the late 19th and early 20th centuries as racist creationists, though
generally less vehement about their racism) is their reference to the
*average* abilities of this or that race -- merely by virtue of being
"Darwinists" they knew enough not to assume that one could make statements
that were true about all of one "race" an no one in another. Truly "racial"
inferiority is impossible except on the (creationist) assumption of curses
on various races (which was hardly so rare a belief as Bergman wishes to
pretend).
Of course, beyond this, Darwin's theory (and later developments of it) are
descriptive, not normative. Evolution and natural selection deal with
change and fitness (for specific environments), not "superiority" and not
"progress." Evolution, on Darwin's telling or that of modern evolutionists,
does not have goals towards which we can strive or intentions we can serve.
If we thought it had them, that would be no reason to serve them; as one wit
put it, natural selection is no more a justification for racism or
oppression than gravity is for pushing people off rooftops. Nor, of course,
are government eugenics policy "natural" selection except in the very broad
sense that humans are part of nature.
Third, as Tom Scharles has repeatedly noted, any differences among human
races must logically be the result of *micro*evolution. That humans share a
common ancestor with gorillas ten million years back can hardly be a reason
to expect differences among human "races" that diverged perhaps a thousand
centuries ago (although, in point of fact, as modern evolutionists point
out, true "races" do not exist among modern _Homo sapiens_). One can hardly
blame doctrines of racial superiority and inferiority on macro-evolutionary
theories.
-- Steven J.
Methinks you protest too much.
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"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed." -- Mark Twain
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| User: "catshark" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
06 Mar 2004 10:32:34 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:27:47 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:32:58 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J."
<sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
<104ilf1rnhrsb74@corp.supernews.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Oddly, the author (Jerry Bergman) does not quote either the actual Nazis or
the influential German biologists on this point, but rather people who wrote
about them. He even notes the difficulty of showing exactly how much
influence Darwinian thought had on the Nazis (and, for that matter, that
racism had been justified in the past on creationist grounds). But no
matter. At least three points need to be made in reply.
First, even if Bergman were correct, it would not be relevant to whether
evolutionary theory was correct, or whether there was a shred of evidence
for creationism. That it would be nice if some proposition were true, and
some contrary proposition false, is itself no reason to suppose the former
actually is true, or the latter actually false. One wonders if you would
grant that, e.g. the gospel accounts of Christ's crucifixion must be
fictional, because the description of the Jewish leaders in them have been
used as a basis for pogrom after pogrom (the Holocaust included) throughout
history.
Second, such use of the idea of natural selection as the Nazis may have used
was illegitimate and biologically illiterate, on many different levels. The
whole notion of clearly defined "superior" and "inferior" races is
anti-Darwinian. Darwin noted that even species were often not well
demarcated from one another, much less races. His theory further noted (and
depended on) the existence of variation within each "race" that exceeded the
variation between the races, so that one could not (as Darwin himself, IIRC,
pointed out) any trait common to all members of one race and absent in all
members of another on which one could stake one's claims of racial
superiority.
A notable feature of racist evolutionists (almost a thick on the ground in
the late 19th and early 20th centuries as racist creationists, though
generally less vehement about their racism) is their reference to the
*average* abilities of this or that race -- merely by virtue of being
"Darwinists" they knew enough not to assume that one could make statements
that were true about all of one "race" an no one in another. Truly "racial"
inferiority is impossible except on the (creationist) assumption of curses
on various races (which was hardly so rare a belief as Bergman wishes to
pretend).
Of course, beyond this, Darwin's theory (and later developments of it) are
descriptive, not normative. Evolution and natural selection deal with
change and fitness (for specific environments), not "superiority" and not
"progress." Evolution, on Darwin's telling or that of modern evolutionists,
does not have goals towards which we can strive or intentions we can serve.
If we thought it had them, that would be no reason to serve them; as one wit
put it, natural selection is no more a justification for racism or
oppression than gravity is for pushing people off rooftops. Nor, of course,
are government eugenics policy "natural" selection except in the very broad
sense that humans are part of nature.
Third, as Tom Scharles has repeatedly noted, any differences among human
races must logically be the result of *micro*evolution. That humans share a
common ancestor with gorillas ten million years back can hardly be a reason
to expect differences among human "races" that diverged perhaps a thousand
centuries ago (although, in point of fact, as modern evolutionists point
out, true "races" do not exist among modern _Homo sapiens_). One can hardly
blame doctrines of racial superiority and inferiority on macro-evolutionary
theories.
-- Steven J.
Methinks you protest too much.
Only for values of "too much" that include "reasoned and rational responses
to utter b*llsh*t".
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J. Pieret
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Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions
have a pathetic, if praiseworthy, tendency to die
before reproducing their kind.
- Willard van Ormand Quine -
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| User: "Throatwarbler Mangrove" |
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06 Mar 2004 09:39:38 PM |
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC), catshark <catshark@yahoo.com>
wrote in message <7evj40hjss41154n9mgdi5mk8ngcatl2iq@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:27:47 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:32:58 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J."
<sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
<104ilf1rnhrsb74@corp.supernews.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Oddly, the author (Jerry Bergman) does not quote either the actual Nazis or
the influential German biologists on this point, but rather people who wrote
about them. He even notes the difficulty of showing exactly how much
influence Darwinian thought had on the Nazis (and, for that matter, that
racism had been justified in the past on creationist grounds). But no
matter. At least three points need to be made in reply.
First, even if Bergman were correct, it would not be relevant to whether
evolutionary theory was correct, or whether there was a shred of evidence
for creationism. That it would be nice if some proposition were true, and
some contrary proposition false, is itself no reason to suppose the former
actually is true, or the latter actually false. One wonders if you would
grant that, e.g. the gospel accounts of Christ's crucifixion must be
fictional, because the description of the Jewish leaders in them have been
used as a basis for pogrom after pogrom (the Holocaust included) throughout
history.
Second, such use of the idea of natural selection as the Nazis may have used
was illegitimate and biologically illiterate, on many different levels. The
whole notion of clearly defined "superior" and "inferior" races is
anti-Darwinian. Darwin noted that even species were often not well
demarcated from one another, much less races. His theory further noted (and
depended on) the existence of variation within each "race" that exceeded the
variation between the races, so that one could not (as Darwin himself, IIRC,
pointed out) any trait common to all members of one race and absent in all
members of another on which one could stake one's claims of racial
superiority.
A notable feature of racist evolutionists (almost a thick on the ground in
the late 19th and early 20th centuries as racist creationists, though
generally less vehement about their racism) is their reference to the
*average* abilities of this or that race -- merely by virtue of being
"Darwinists" they knew enough not to assume that one could make statements
that were true about all of one "race" an no one in another. Truly "racial"
inferiority is impossible except on the (creationist) assumption of curses
on various races (which was hardly so rare a belief as Bergman wishes to
pretend).
Of course, beyond this, Darwin's theory (and later developments of it) are
descriptive, not normative. Evolution and natural selection deal with
change and fitness (for specific environments), not "superiority" and not
"progress." Evolution, on Darwin's telling or that of modern evolutionists,
does not have goals towards which we can strive or intentions we can serve.
If we thought it had them, that would be no reason to serve them; as one wit
put it, natural selection is no more a justification for racism or
oppression than gravity is for pushing people off rooftops. Nor, of course,
are government eugenics policy "natural" selection except in the very broad
sense that humans are part of nature.
Third, as Tom Scharles has repeatedly noted, any differences among human
races must logically be the result of *micro*evolution. That humans share a
common ancestor with gorillas ten million years back can hardly be a reason
to expect differences among human "races" that diverged perhaps a thousand
centuries ago (although, in point of fact, as modern evolutionists point
out, true "races" do not exist among modern _Homo sapiens_). One can hardly
blame doctrines of racial superiority and inferiority on macro-evolutionary
theories.
-- Steven J.
Methinks you protest too much.
Only for values of "too much" that include "reasoned and rational responses
to utter b*llsh*t".
But that long-winded screed totally missed the point.
Hitler was actually quite correct in that the principles of selective
breeding used to make beneficial changes in cattle and sheep and dogs
etc would indeed work exactly the same way if applied to humans.
But so what? Does this mean that "Darwinism" is "eeeeeevvvulllll"?
Of course not.
And that's all the OP needed to say.
--
"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed." -- Mark Twain
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| User: "Steven J." |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
07 Mar 2004 01:05:49 AM |
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"Throatwarbler Mangrove" <> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC), catshark <catshark@yahoo.com>
wrote in message <7evj40hjss41154n9mgdi5mk8ngcatl2iq@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:27:47 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
-- [snip of my original post]
Methinks you protest too much.
Only for values of "too much" that include "reasoned and rational
responses
to utter b*llsh*t".
But that long-winded screed totally missed the point.
Really and truly? Did you click on the included link? Bergman clearly
argued that evolutionary theory encouraged racism and genocide.
Hitler was actually quite correct in that the principles of selective
breeding used to make beneficial changes in cattle and sheep and dogs
etc would indeed work exactly the same way if applied to humans.
Aside from catshark's excellent point that "beneficial" in this case refers
to the desires of whomever is running the eugenics program, not to some
objective standard of "better," what was distinctive about Hitler was his
belief that this *ought* to be done. He hardly needed "Darwinism" to derive
the belief that selective breeding of humans is possible; that would be
obvious to anyone who'd studied selective breeding (Darwin's insight was
that the effects of selective breeding, known since long before his time,
could be duplicated by differential survival of variant offspring in various
environments).
Any sufficiently sociopathic dogbreeder might conclude that one could do
with humans what one did with dogs -- and indeed the Nazis' emphasis on
racial purity and pedigree seems to derive more from dog shows than from any
serious thought about either selective breeding or natural selection. The
article sought to establish an etiology for Hitler's belief that it one
*ought* to breed humans like show dogs -- and that, therefore, "Darwinism"
*is* "eeeeevvvullll." I thought it worthwhile to address Bergman's actual
point.
But so what? Does this mean that "Darwinism" is "eeeeeevvvulllll"?
Of course not.
And that's all the OP needed to say.
Actually, I suppose I didn't *need* to say anything; Painful seems pretty
impervious to rational thought or facts, and most posters here seem pretty
impervious to his regurgiposting. But it seemed to me that if I was going
to reply at all, a critique of the actual point was in order.
--
"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not
succeed." -- Mark Twain
-- Steven J.
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| User: "Throatwarbler Mangrove" |
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07 Mar 2004 06:35:36 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:05:49 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J."
<sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
<104lipuh6ocd5e1@corp.supernews.com>:
"Throatwarbler Mangrove" < > wrote in message
news:404a99f8.21225165@news.dodo.com.au...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC), catshark <catshark@yahoo.com>
wrote in message <7evj40hjss41154n9mgdi5mk8ngcatl2iq@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:27:47 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
-- [snip of my original post]
Methinks you protest too much.
Only for values of "too much" that include "reasoned and rational
responses
to utter b*llsh*t".
But that long-winded screed totally missed the point.
Really and truly?
I'm afraid so. Did you really expect The Church Of The Painful Roid to
read that stuff?
Gotta keep it short, and to the point, when you're dealing with a
fundie christbot.
Did you click on the included link? Bergman clearly
argued that evolutionary theory encouraged racism and genocide.
Well, he's an idiot then.
Hitler was actually quite correct in that the principles of selective
breeding used to make beneficial changes in cattle and sheep and dogs
etc would indeed work exactly the same way if applied to humans.
Aside from catshark's excellent point that "beneficial" in this case refers
to the desires of whomever is running the eugenics program,
Precisely. But I see no problem with that per se.
not to some
objective standard of "better,"
When you come down to it, most decisions we humans make are not purely
objective.
what was distinctive about Hitler was his
belief that this *ought* to be done.
Yes, but this wasn't the problem.
The only problem with Hitler, as I see it, was the fact that he was
willing to murder millions of people who didn't agree with him on this
and other issues.
He hardly needed "Darwinism" to derive
the belief that selective breeding of humans is possible; that would be
obvious to anyone who'd studied selective breeding (Darwin's insight was
that the effects of selective breeding, known since long before his time,
could be duplicated by differential survival of variant offspring in various
environments).
Agreed.
Any sufficiently sociopathic dogbreeder might conclude that one could do
with humans what one did with dogs --
Here's where you start foaming again. It does not take a "sociopathic"
dog-breeder to conclude this. Merely a reasonably intelligent and
realistic one.
and indeed the Nazis' emphasis on
racial purity and pedigree seems to derive more from dog shows than from any
serious thought about either selective breeding or natural selection.
True. What Hitler didn't realize, or chose to ignore, is the fact that
even clever dog-breeders sometimes get it horribly wrong, and
sometimes there are unintended consequences which are sometimes severe
enough to threaten the life and health of the selectively bred
dog/horse/sheep or whatever.
Another thing working against Hitler's plans, from a purely practical
standpoint, is that a human female takes a lot longer to reach
reproductive age than a dog or a sheep or a cat does.
The
article sought to establish an etiology for Hitler's belief that it one
*ought* to breed humans like show dogs -- and that, therefore, "Darwinism"
*is* "eeeeevvvullll." I thought it worthwhile to address Bergman's actual
point.
Well you were wrong.
But so what? Does this mean that "Darwinism" is "eeeeeevvvulllll"?
Of course not.
And that's all the OP needed to say.
Actually, I suppose I didn't *need* to say anything; Painful seems pretty
impervious to rational thought or facts, and most posters here seem pretty
impervious to his regurgiposting. But it seemed to me that if I was going
to reply at all, a critique of the actual point was in order.
--
"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not
succeed." -- Mark Twain
-- Steven J.
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"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed." -- Mark Twain
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| User: "catshark" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
07 Mar 2004 10:07:26 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:35:36 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
[...]
But that long-winded screed totally missed the point.
Really and truly?
I'm afraid so. Did you really expect The Church Of The Painful Roid to
read that stuff?
Gotta keep it short, and to the point, when you're dealing with a
fundie christbot.
Whatever made you think Steven wrote it for the Painful Itch? Most of the
really good stuff here is not aimed at the creationist trolls. It is
intended to share information and viewpoints among the sane people and,
possibly, to educate any lurkers who may be out there.
---------------
J. Pieret
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In the name of the bee
And of the butterfly
And of the breeze, amen
- Emily Dickinson -
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| User: "catshark" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
06 Mar 2004 10:33:48 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 03:39:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Throatwarbler Mangrove) wrote:
[...]
Methinks you protest too much.
Only for values of "too much" that include "reasoned and rational responses
to utter b*llsh*t".
But that long-winded screed totally missed the point.
Hitler was actually quite correct in that the principles of selective
breeding used to make beneficial changes in cattle and sheep and dogs
etc would indeed work exactly the same way if applied to humans.
Depends on what you mean by "beneficial". Most highly bred animals have a
much higher level of genetic defects, for instance. You can breed humans
for higher milk yields, if you don't care how many culls and "sports" you
wind up with.
But so what? Does this mean that "Darwinism" is "eeeeeevvvulllll"?
Of course not.
And that's all the OP needed to say.
Been around here long?
---------------
J. Pieret
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In the name of the bee
And of the butterfly
And of the breeze, amen
- Emily Dickinson -
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
05 Mar 2004 09:59:24 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore than
you are+
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06 Mar 2004 01:04:04 AM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
You should read up on the christians here in Europe during the dark ages.
Yes, they were christians. And yes, they were quite nuts.
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05 Mar 2004 10:16:32 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
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| User: "Bob Casanova" |
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06 Mar 2004 04:50:48 PM |
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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06 Mar 2004 06:06:37 PM |
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"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno -Hootler
seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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06 Mar 2004 10:54:49 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-XNt2c.36$7B5.70897@news.uswest.net:
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote
in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and
publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential
:-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian
anymore than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same
baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno
-Hootler seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Well, no, his description was overly-concise but right on. And you didn't
reply at all.
Care to attempt to find a moral difference between your amoral actions
and Uncle Adolph?
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| User: "Bob Casanova" |
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07 Mar 2004 03:15:19 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 04:54:49 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-XNt2c.36$7B5.70897@news.uswest.net:
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote
in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and
publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential
:-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian
anymore than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same
baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno
-Hootler seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Well, no, his description was overly-concise but right on. And you didn't
reply at all.
Actually, his reply demonstrated the validity of my
description of him (or her, or it; it's hard to characterize
the players when they hide behind aliases).
Care to attempt to find a moral difference between your amoral actions
and Uncle Adolph?
I predict this will not be answered (other than with the
usual adolescent attacks, of course).
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Tom" |
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06 Mar 2004 06:24:42 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-XNt2c.36$7B5.70897@news.uswest.net...
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential
:-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian
anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno -Hootler
seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Tom: I wish you could structure an intelligible sentence. If that is what
you were attempting above you failed miserably!!
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06 Mar 2004 07:22:59 PM |
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In article <nospam-XNt2c.36$7B5.70897@news.uswest.net>,
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno -Hootler
seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Hey, Painful, why didn't you address any of the substantive points made
by Bob? And, why do you have to try to insult him by coming up with a
variation of his name? It seems you are rather infantile, as well as
uninformed.
--
Dave Fritzinger
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07 Mar 2004 03:10:34 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 01:22:59 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Fritzinger
<dfritzin@macNoSpam.com>:
In article <nospam-XNt2c.36$7B5.70897@news.uswest.net>,
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno -Hootler
seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Hey, Painful, why didn't you address any of the substantive points made
by Bob? And, why do you have to try to insult him by coming up with a
variation of his name? It seems you are rather infantile, as well as
uninformed.
He doesn't address points; he rants. As I stated, merely an
hysteric.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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07 Mar 2004 03:07:56 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:06:37 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by "The Church of The
Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com>:
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aclk40p2rogug88sm3o3rg8p20cpr1e4fb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:16:32 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Gill
<ericvgill@yahoo.com>:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
news:nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104ijg25lo4k41d@corp.supernews.com...
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in their writings that Darwin's theory and publications
had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than you are+
I dunno - he seems about as honest as you, and used the same baseless
smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.
What's the difference?
Hitler was a genius at persuasion (and a monster, of
course). The Church of the Painful Hemorrhoid is merely an
hysteric.
+What little bobby castratnova actually states is that :I dunno -Hootler
seems about as honest as me, and used the same baseless smear
tactics with the same volume substituting for substance.+
Gee, COTPH, I could have sworn you killfiled me. Lying
again, huh?
But FWIW, yes, you *do* seem about as honest as Herr
Schicklegruber (who also ascribed his policies the "the will
of the Lord"), but not nearly as competent.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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05 Mar 2004 10:31:58 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed
in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
Painful: +Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian
anymore than you are+
Tom: Of course he was Painful, get used to it!!!
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06 Mar 2004 10:04:27 AM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net>...
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore than
you are+
He claimed to be. You claim to be. You are a creationst. Creationists
are liars. This suggests you're not a Christian.
What supreme moral virtue can you offer to support the superiority of
your belief system?
RF
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06 Mar 2004 08:23:53 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net>...
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore than
you are+
are you saying that if hitler prayed to christ and accepted Him as his
personal saviour then he somehow wouldn't be a christian?? what if god
was the one telling hitler to do what he and others did? genocidr
certainly isn't foreign to the bible, and killing people for
disagreeing with you is certainly not an alien concept to fundies.
and now you are somehow belittling the disgrace of what hitler did by
assocaiteing him and his actions with the above poster. You are
making lihgt of his crimes and their meaning, and you are promoting
his type of reasoning, certainly in your anti-scientific stance at
least.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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07 Mar 2004 03:21:34 AM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<nospam-S8c2c.688$%s5.63128@news.uswest.net>...
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
message
news:nospam-wzb2c.674$%s5.60688@news.uswest.net...
http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore than
you are+
are you saying that if hitler prayed to christ and accepted Him as his
personal saviour then he somehow wouldn't be a christian?? what if god
was the one telling hitler to do what he and others did? genocidr
certainly isn't foreign to the bible, and killing people for
disagreeing with you is certainly not an alien concept to fundies.
and now you are somehow belittling the disgrace of what hitler did by
assocaiteing him and his actions with the above poster. You are
making lihgt of his crimes and their meaning, and you are promoting
his type of reasoning, certainly in your anti-scientific stance at
least.
Thinking a bit more about this, if Hitler had been a "saved believer",
he'd have gone to heaven anyway, regardless of what he had done.
RF
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07 Mar 2004 04:24:08 PM |
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Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
Chopt
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore than
you are+
JERRY
Actually, he was a Catholic and the christian influences of the German
Reich are evident in most his writings.
BTW, when are you going to stop running away and debate the issue of
the failure of the bible to be true on the prophecy of Tyre? I've
posted my position.
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
11 May 2004 08:49:50 PM |
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Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
Chopt
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than
you are+
JERRY
Actually, he was a Catholic and the christian influences of the German
Reich are evident in most his writings.
Who was his priest and when was the last time he went to confession?
Ron
<snip>
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
12 May 2004 02:24:53 AM |
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Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists,
revealed in
their writings that Darwin's theory and publications had a major
influence
upon Nazi race policies.
Tom: That is why the Christian, Adolf Hitler, was so influential :-).
Chopt
+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than
you are+
JERRY
Actually, he was a Catholic and the christian influences of the German
Reich are evident in most his writings.
Who was his priest and when was the last time he went to confession?
Ron
<snip>
Sometime before May 1945 would, I think, be a safe bet.
RF
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust |
12 May 2004 11:58:44 AM |
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+Hitler was a sick and perverted man,hence he was no Christian anymore
than
you are+
JERRY
Actually, he was a Catholic and the christian influences of the German
Reich are evident in most his writings.
Who was his priest and when was the last time he went to confession?
Ron
<snip>
Hitler was a sick and perverted man, BECAUSE he was a Christian
--
Goodness Godless
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