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Date: 18 Oct 2004 03:44:23 PM
Object: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith
STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH
by Paul G. Humber
Some have the mistaken notion that faith and religion are linked
inseparably with the confession of a supreme being, but many exercise
faith in self and other human beings--to the exclusion of the divine.
This, too, is religion. Whatever serves as one's basic system of
beliefs about his or her place and role in the universe is certainly a
faith, a religion.
Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith? Was it uniquely Stalin's? Also, how brutal was it? The
purpose of this article is to offer some answers to these questions
and to add insights of the eminent authority on Russia's soul, Nobel
laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
STALIN'S FAITH--WHAT WAS IT?
Often an individual's faith is firmly attached to a book of some kind.
Muslims have the Koran; Hindus, their Veda; and Christians, the Bible.
Writings of Confucius, Buddha, and indeed, Mao Tse-Tung, serve similar
purposes for other groups. In Stalin's case, the writings of Marx,
Engels, and Lenin incited him, but to stop here would be premature.
There is one man-book amalgam which may have been even more
determinative for Stalin, especially during his youthful,
impressionable years. The man was Charles Darwin; the book--his The
Origin of Species.
To document this, appeal is made first to a book published in Moscow
entitled, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin. It was written during
Stalin's "glory," and was designed to set him in a positive light.
Note in the selection cited, that faith in Darwin and his "book"
contrasts markedly with faith in a supreme being:
At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school,
Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments.
He began to read Darwin and became an atheist.
G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin's, relates:
"I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment's
silence, said:
"'You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .'
"I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it
before.
"'How can you say such things, Soso?' I exclaimed.
"'I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and
all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all
this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph said.
"'What book is that?' I enquired.
"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" 1
A few pages later, another individual--also reflecting on Stalin's
youthful pursuits, added the following:
". . .in order to disabuse the minds of our seminary students of the
myth that the world was created in six days, we had to acquaint
ourselves with the geological origin and age of the earth, and be able
to prove them in argument; we had to familiarize ourselves with
Darwin's teachings."1
HAD MARX, ENGELS, AND LENIN SHARED THE SAME FAITH?
It has already been stated that Stalin was influenced by the writings
of these men. Did this dilute the effect of Darwin on him, or were
these men also affected by the same British naturalist? The answer to
the second question must be affirmative. Conway Zirkle, Professor of
Botany at the University of Pennsylvania, published a book in 1959
entitled, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene, in which
he cites comments made in correspondence between Engels and Marx. As
early as December 12, 1859 (only months after The Origin of Species
was published), Friedrich Engels wrote to Karl Marx, "Darwin, whom I
am just now reading, is splendid." [2] About a year later (December
19, 1860), Marx, the Father of Communism, responded, "During my time
of trial, these last few weeks, I have read all sorts of things. Among
others, Darwin's book of Natural Selection. Although it is developed
in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis
in natural history for our view." 2 To one Ferdinand Lassalle, he
wrote (January 16, 1861), "Darwin's book is very important and serves
me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history."
[2] Zirkle also indicated that Marx wanted to dedicate Das Kapital to
Darwin. 2 Harvard's Stephen Jay Gould, an intense and modern spokesman
for evolution, corroborates this by reporting that he saw Darwin's
copy of Marx's first volume inscribed by Marx--describing himself as a
"sincere admirer" of the English naturalist. 3
Ruis credits Vladimir Lenin with the following commentary on Darwin:
Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species
bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were
created by God, and hence immutable. 4
HOW BRUTAL WAS STALIN'S FAITH?
The 20th century has been one of tyranny and mass genocide. One needs
only to remember the two million Cambodians slaughtered under Pol Pot,
the six million Jews exterminated by Adolf Hitler, and the 20 million
helpless lives aborted in America. Leading the list of atrocities,
however, might well be the millions of Russian people eliminated under
Stalin's murderous rule.
Harrison E. Salisbury of The New York Times, described the Soviet
system of prison camps as "a whole continent of terror. . . . Compared
with those who brought about the hundreds of thousands of executions
and the millions of deaths in the Soviet terror system, the Czars seem
almost benign. . . . Our minds boggle at the thought of a
systematized, routine evil, under which three or four or more million
men and women were sentenced each year to forced labor and eternal
exile--and in a manner so casual that the prisoners often were not
even told what their sentences were. . . ." 5
SOLZHENITZYN'S INSIGHTS
In 1983, Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn, winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize for
Literature, gave an address in London in which he attempted to explain
why so much evil had befallen his people:
Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a
number of old people offer the following explanation for the great
disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's
why all this has happened."
Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of
our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books,
collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already
contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away
the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to
formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous
revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could
not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God;
that's why all this has happened." 6
But has Solzhenitsyn considered any relationship involving Soviet
oppression, Stalin's terror, and Darwin's theories on origin? In his
towering book, The Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn recounts an
incident which apparently took place in 1937-38 at a district Party
conference meeting in Moscow Province. The secretary (replacing an
arrested one) was paying tribute to Comrade Stalin. The group,
including the new secretary, was standing and applauding their
esteemed Leader. Even a single minute of feverish clapping consumes
energy, but in this case it was important to sustain the "enthusiasm"
much longer. Three, four, five minutes passed and more! Tired
arms!--but who could risk stopping? Seven, eight, and nine minutes
elapsed. It was absurd! Finally after eleven minutes (!), a local
factory director stopped clapping and sat down. All followed suit, but
that night the one who stopped first was arrested and given ten years!
He was told, "Don't ever be the first to stop applauding!"
Solzhenitsyn queries, "And just what are we supposed to do? How are we
supposed to stop?" 7 In harmony with the position of this article, he
adds:
Now that's what Darwin's natural selection is. And that's also how to
grind people down with stupidity. 7
CONCLUSION
In a previous article, 8 the present author documented the thesis that
Hitler was a fanatical evolutionist. Evolutionary language and terms
were shown to be used in Hitler's Mein Kampf. Sir Arthur Keith
summarized, "Hitler (was) an uncompromising evolutionist, and we must
seek for an evolutionary explanation if we are to understand his
action." 9
This present article relates Stalin, along with the Fathers of
Communism, to the same concepts. The attachments of these men to
Darwin have been made explicit, and, again, it would seem wise to
include evolutionary explanations if we want fully to understand their
actions. Of Hitler it may be said that he killed millions; of these
men--and especially of Stalin--tens of millions!
Of course none of this either proves or disproves the theory itself,
but it does strongly suggest that much evil has entered the world
under the tutelage of Darwin's theory.
Henry Fairfield Osborn once wrote, "The ethical principle inherent in
evolution is that only the best has a right to survive. . . ." 10
Jesus, however, was concerned to heal the sick and deformed. He showed
compassion for the weak and enfeebled. Not much of a follower of
evolution's "ethical principle" was He, but, then again, one would
hardly expect this from the Creator.
"Men have forgotten God;
that's why all this has happened."
REFERENCES
1 E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign
Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.
2 Conway Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene
(Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1959), pp. 85-87.
3 Stephen Jay Gould, Ever Since Darwin (New York: W. W. Norton and
Co., Inc., 1977), p. 26.
4 Eduardo del Rio (pseudonym="Rius"), Marx for Beginners (New York:
Pantheon Books, 1976), Glossary, n.p.
5 Harrison E. Salisbury, "Reading The Gulag Archipelago is like no
other reading experience of our day," Book-of-the-Month Club NEWS,
Midsummer, 1974, pp. 4,5.
6 Edward E. Ericson, Jr., "Solzhenitsyn - Voice from the Gulag,"
Eternity, October 1985, pp. 23, 24.
7 Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (New York: Harper &
Row, 1973), p. 7.
8 Paul G. Humber, "The Ascent of Racism," Impact (Institute for
Creation Research, February 1987).
9 Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (New York: G. P. Putnam's
Sons 1947), p. 14.
10 Henry Fairfield Osborn, Evolution and Religion in Education
(London: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1926), p. 48.
* Paul G. Humber, A.B., M.S., M.Div., is a schoolmaster at a college
preparatory school in the Philadelphia area.


http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-172.htm
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User: "Voice of Falsehood"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 04:00:34 PM
***** off
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User: "Alan Hobson"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 10:54:18 AM
(Voice of Truth) wrote in message news:<816e1d8c.0410181244.12f0185c@posting.google.com>...

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

by Paul G. Humber


Actually, official Soviet doctrine was a variant of Lamarkian
evolution called Lysenkoism -- not Darwinian evolution. But don't let
facts get in the way of your rants, Raytard (like you ever do).
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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User: "maff"

Title: Lysenko 20 Oct 2004 02:25:54 PM
(Voice of Truth) wrote in message news:<816e1d8c.0410181244.12f0185c@posting.google.com>...

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

by Paul G. Humber


[...]
Are you a moron?
Lysenkoism OR Lysenko
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User: "bernard connor"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 12:16:08 PM
(Voice of Truth) wrote in message news:<816e1d8c.0410181244.12f0185c@posting.google.com>...

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

by Paul G. Humber


Some have the mistaken notion that faith and religion are linked
inseparably with the confession of a supreme being, but many exercise
faith in self and other human beings--to the exclusion of the divine.
This, too, is religion. Whatever serves as one's basic system of
beliefs about his or her place and role in the universe is certainly a
faith, a religion.

Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith? Was it uniquely Stalin's? Also, how brutal was it? The
purpose of this article is to offer some answers to these questions
and to add insights of the eminent authority on Russia's soul, Nobel
laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

STALIN'S FAITH--WHAT WAS IT?

Often an individual's faith is firmly attached to a book of some kind.
Muslims have the Koran; Hindus, their Veda; and Christians, the Bible.
Writings of Confucius, Buddha, and indeed, Mao Tse-Tung, serve similar
purposes for other groups. In Stalin's case, the writings of Marx,
Engels, and Lenin incited him, but to stop here would be premature.
There is one man-book amalgam which may have been even more
determinative for Stalin, especially during his youthful,
impressionable years. The man was Charles Darwin; the book--his The
Origin of Species.

To document this, appeal is made first to a book published in Moscow
entitled, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin. It was written during
Stalin's "glory," and was designed to set him in a positive light.
Note in the selection cited, that faith in Darwin and his "book"
contrasts markedly with faith in a supreme being:

At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school,
Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments.
He began to read Darwin and became an atheist.
G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin's, relates:
"I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment's
silence, said:
"'You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .'
"I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it
before.
"'How can you say such things, Soso?' I exclaimed.
"'I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and
all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all
this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph said.
"'What book is that?' I enquired.
"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" 1

A few pages later, another individual--also reflecting on Stalin's
youthful pursuits, added the following:

". . .in order to disabuse the minds of our seminary students of the
myth that the world was created in six days, we had to acquaint
ourselves with the geological origin and age of the earth, and be able
to prove them in argument; we had to familiarize ourselves with
Darwin's teachings."1

HAD MARX, ENGELS, AND LENIN SHARED THE SAME FAITH?

It has already been stated that Stalin was influenced by the writings
of these men. Did this dilute the effect of Darwin on him, or were
these men also affected by the same British naturalist? The answer to
the second question must be affirmative. Conway Zirkle, Professor of
Botany at the University of Pennsylvania, published a book in 1959
entitled, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene, in which
he cites comments made in correspondence between Engels and Marx. As
early as December 12, 1859 (only months after The Origin of Species
was published), Friedrich Engels wrote to Karl Marx, "Darwin, whom I
am just now reading, is splendid." [2] About a year later (December
19, 1860), Marx, the Father of Communism, responded, "During my time
of trial, these last few weeks, I have read all sorts of things. Among
others, Darwin's book of Natural Selection. Although it is developed
in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis
in natural history for our view." 2 To one Ferdinand Lassalle, he
wrote (January 16, 1861), "Darwin's book is very important and serves
me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history."
[2] Zirkle also indicated that Marx wanted to dedicate Das Kapital to
Darwin. 2 Harvard's Stephen Jay Gould, an intense and modern spokesman
for evolution, corroborates this by reporting that he saw Darwin's
copy of Marx's first volume inscribed by Marx--describing himself as a
"sincere admirer" of the English naturalist. 3

Ruis credits Vladimir Lenin with the following commentary on Darwin:

Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species
bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were
created by God, and hence immutable. 4

HOW BRUTAL WAS STALIN'S FAITH?

The 20th century has been one of tyranny and mass genocide. One needs
only to remember the two million Cambodians slaughtered under Pol Pot,
the six million Jews exterminated by Adolf Hitler, and the 20 million
helpless lives aborted in America. Leading the list of atrocities,
however, might well be the millions of Russian people eliminated under
Stalin's murderous rule.

Harrison E. Salisbury of The New York Times, described the Soviet
system of prison camps as "a whole continent of terror. . . . Compared
with those who brought about the hundreds of thousands of executions
and the millions of deaths in the Soviet terror system, the Czars seem
almost benign. . . . Our minds boggle at the thought of a
systematized, routine evil, under which three or four or more million
men and women were sentenced each year to forced labor and eternal
exile--and in a manner so casual that the prisoners often were not
even told what their sentences were. . . ." 5

SOLZHENITZYN'S INSIGHTS

In 1983, Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn, winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize for
Literature, gave an address in London in which he attempted to explain
why so much evil had befallen his people:

Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a
number of old people offer the following explanation for the great
disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's
why all this has happened."
Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of
our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books,
collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already
contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away
the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to
formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous
revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could
not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God;
that's why all this has happened." 6

But has Solzhenitsyn considered any relationship involving Soviet
oppression, Stalin's terror, and Darwin's theories on origin? In his
towering book, The Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn recounts an
incident which apparently took place in 1937-38 at a district Party
conference meeting in Moscow Province. The secretary (replacing an
arrested one) was paying tribute to Comrade Stalin. The group,
including the new secretary, was standing and applauding their
esteemed Leader. Even a single minute of feverish clapping consumes
energy, but in this case it was important to sustain the "enthusiasm"
much longer. Three, four, five minutes passed and more! Tired
arms!--but who could risk stopping? Seven, eight, and nine minutes
elapsed. It was absurd! Finally after eleven minutes (!), a local
factory director stopped clapping and sat down. All followed suit, but
that night the one who stopped first was arrested and given ten years!
He was told, "Don't ever be the first to stop applauding!"
Solzhenitsyn queries, "And just what are we supposed to do? How are we
supposed to stop?" 7 In harmony with the position of this article, he
adds:

Now that's what Darwin's natural selection is. And that's also how to
grind people down with stupidity. 7

CONCLUSION

In a previous article, 8 the present author documented the thesis that
Hitler was a fanatical evolutionist. Evolutionary language and terms
were shown to be used in Hitler's Mein Kampf. Sir Arthur Keith
summarized, "Hitler (was) an uncompromising evolutionist, and we must
seek for an evolutionary explanation if we are to understand his
action." 9

This present article relates Stalin, along with the Fathers of
Communism, to the same concepts. The attachments of these men to
Darwin have been made explicit, and, again, it would seem wise to
include evolutionary explanations if we want fully to understand their
actions. Of Hitler it may be said that he killed millions; of these
men--and especially of Stalin--tens of millions!

Of course none of this either proves or disproves the theory itself,
but it does strongly suggest that much evil has entered the world
under the tutelage of Darwin's theory.

Henry Fairfield Osborn once wrote, "The ethical principle inherent in
evolution is that only the best has a right to survive. . . ." 10
Jesus, however, was concerned to heal the sick and deformed. He showed
compassion for the weak and enfeebled. Not much of a follower of
evolution's "ethical principle" was He, but, then again, one would
hardly expect this from the Creator.

"Men have forgotten God;
that's why all this has happened."


REFERENCES

1 E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign
Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.
2 Conway Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene
(Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1959), pp. 85-87.
3 Stephen Jay Gould, Ever Since Darwin (New York: W. W. Norton and
Co., Inc., 1977), p. 26.
4 Eduardo del Rio (pseudonym="Rius"), Marx for Beginners (New York:
Pantheon Books, 1976), Glossary, n.p.
5 Harrison E. Salisbury, "Reading The Gulag Archipelago is like no
other reading experience of our day," Book-of-the-Month Club NEWS,
Midsummer, 1974, pp. 4,5.
6 Edward E. Ericson, Jr., "Solzhenitsyn - Voice from the Gulag,"
Eternity, October 1985, pp. 23, 24.
7 Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (New York: Harper &
Row, 1973), p. 7.
8 Paul G. Humber, "The Ascent of Racism," Impact (Institute for
Creation Research, February 1987).
9 Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (New York: G. P. Putnam's
Sons 1947), p. 14.
10 Henry Fairfield Osborn, Evolution and Religion in Education
(London: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1926), p. 48.



* Paul G. Humber, A.B., M.S., M.Div., is a schoolmaster at a college
preparatory school in the Philadelphia area.


http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-172.htm

Whatever Stalin may have believed in his youth, during the thirties he
put all of the Soviet Union's agricultural science under the control
of Lysenko. Lysenko did not accept the theory of natural selection but
preached as a doctrine Lamark's Theory on the inheritance of acquied
characteristics.
This was one of many misguided actions by Stalin which caused a
catastrophe in the production of food in the USSR.
Tsarist Russia had been the granary of the world. The Soviet Union had
to import vast amounts of wheat from the USA, using up their gold
reserves.
This was one of the reasons ( there are many others) why the USSR
collapsed.
Bernard.
.

User: "Donalbain"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 05:41:18 AM
(Voice of Truth) wrote in message news:<816e1d8c.0410181244.12f0185c@posting.google.com>...

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

*cough* Lysenko *cough*
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 06:44:48 PM
On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,
(Voice of
Truth) wrote:

Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?

It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?
.
User: "Philippic"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 07:23:36 PM
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:cnl8n0p5pmep4v34edgl9isnem1imqimlq@4ax.com...

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:

Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?


It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?

Hmmmm...
Isn't this the same 'Joseph Stalin' who had, as a boy, attended a *church
school* in Gori for five years?
And who then went to a *theological seminary* at Tiflis (Tbilisi) from age
13 to 18??
I mean, the same 'Joseph Stalin' who was brought up in the world of people
who worshipped the 'Invisible, Magic Sky Pixie Who Did (And At The Same Time
Didn't...) 'Die For Us' (Whatever The ***** *That's* Supposed To Mean'!) ??
And the same 'Joseph Stalin' who learned early on about the banning of free
thought and free speech - and the censoring of dissenting voices - *from the
'Christian' priests* who regularly punished him for reading 'forbidden
books'??
No wonder he turned out to be a *mass-murdering tyrant*: you can't grow up
in a world as mad as *that* and end up a *sane adult*...
Philippic
.

User: "johnebravo836"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 10:57:54 AM
raven1 wrote:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:


Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?



It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?

Indeed, "Voice of Truth" appears not to have any point at all --
he/she/it just posts other people's tripe, disappears, and never, ever
responds to any comments on said tripe.
.
User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 11:53:17 AM
In article <2tks4iF216h06U1@uni-berlin.de>, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> wrote:

raven1 wrote:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:


Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?



It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?


Indeed, "Voice of Truth" appears not to have any point at all --
he/she/it just posts other people's tripe, disappears, and never, ever
responds to any comments on said tripe.

• In my experiences, a title containing the word "truth" usually means
quite the opposite.
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr
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User: "Donalbain"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 05:28:14 AM
(?R.L.Measures) wrote in message news:<r_-1910040953180001@192.168.1.101>...

In article <2tks4iF216h06U1@uni-berlin.de>, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> wrote:

raven1 wrote:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:


Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?



It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?


Indeed, "Voice of Truth" appears not to have any point at all --
he/she/it just posts other people's tripe, disappears, and never, ever
responds to any comments on said tripe.


? In my experiences, a title containing the word "truth" usually means
quite the opposite.

Just like any country that has an adjective in its title is never being truthful...
The People's DEMOCRATIC Republic of Korea
The United Kingdom of GREAT Britain and Northern Ireland,
The UNITED States of America
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User: "Philippic"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 07:27:26 AM
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Just like any country that has an adjective in its title is never being
truthful...


The United Kingdom of GREAT Britain and Northern Ireland,

How completely *moronic*.
The 'Great' in 'Great Britain' is a *geographical* term, you dumb *****-head.
Philippic
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User: ""

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 09:57:22 AM
Yes. You got me. I was being totally serious. I certainly wasnt making
a light hearted comment. No sireebob!
Now THAT'S sarcasm!
.


User: "bernard connor"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 12:14:39 PM
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r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message news:<r_-1910040953180001@192.168.1.101>...

In article <2tks4iF216h06U1@uni-berlin.de>, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> wrote:

raven1 wrote:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:


Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?



It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?


Indeed, "Voice of Truth" appears not to have any point at all --
he/she/it just posts other people's tripe, disappears, and never, ever
responds to any comments on said tripe.


? In my experiences, a title containing the word "truth" usually means
quite the opposite.


Just like any country that has an adjective in its title is never being truthful...

The People's DEMOCRATIC Republic of Korea
The United Kingdom of GREAT Britain and Northern Ireland,
The UNITED States of America

The People's Republic of North Korea is an absolute monarchy. The
present King suceeded his father about 10 years ago. The fact that
neither called themselves kings does not alter the facts.
The Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland is very dis-united.
Bernard.
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User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 08:18:33 PM
In article <983b42a3.0410200228.6ae13e45@posting.google.com>,
Donalbain@gmail.com (Donalbain) wrote:

r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <2tks4iF216h06U1@uni-berlin.de>, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> wrote:

raven1 wrote:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:


Joseph Stalin, though an atheist, was a believer. His was a faith
resulting in tremendous brutality--nevertheless, a faith! What was
this faith?



It was in Joseph Stalin, and his notion that he should be the
equivalent of the God-Emperor of the USSR. What's yer fucking point?


Indeed, "Voice of Truth" appears not to have any point at all --
he/she/it just posts other people's tripe, disappears, and never, ever
responds to any comments on said tripe.


? In my experiences, a title containing the word "truth" usually means
quite the opposite.


Just like any country that has an adjective in its title is never being

truthful...


The People's DEMOCRATIC Republic of Korea
The United Kingdom of GREAT Britain and Northern Ireland,
The UNITED States of America

** good point
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User: "Rev. Fyron Brymstoun, DD, DT, J&B"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 06:24:15 PM
On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,
(Voice of
Truth) wrote:

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

[...]

STALIN'S FAITH--WHAT WAS IT?

Often an individual's faith is firmly attached to a book of some kind.
Muslims have the Koran; Hindus, their Veda; and Christians, the Bible.
Writings of Confucius, Buddha, and indeed, Mao Tse-Tung, serve similar
purposes for other groups. In Stalin's case, the writings of Marx,
Engels, and Lenin incited him, but to stop here would be premature.
There is one man-book amalgam which may have been even more
determinative for Stalin, especially during his youthful,
impressionable years. The man was Charles Darwin; the book--his The
Origin of Species.

[...]
As a child, perhaps, Iosif was deluded by godless Darwinism. As an
adult, however, this former divinity-school student returned to Jesus,
wiping out leading Soviet geneticists.
http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/lysenko.html
Brother William Jennings Bryan would have envied him. Hallelujah!
--Rev. Fyron Brymstoun, DD, DT, J&B
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User: "August Pamplona"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 11:03:59 PM
In news:41744e0b.1244148750@news.surfbestisp.net,
Rev. Fyron Brymstoun, DD, DT, J&B <checkwebsite@cyberussr.com> typed:

On 18 Oct 2004 13:44:23 -0700,

(Voice of
Truth) wrote:

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

[...]

STALIN'S FAITH--WHAT WAS IT?

Often an individual's faith is firmly attached to a book of some
kind. Muslims have the Koran; Hindus, their Veda; and Christians,
the Bible. Writings of Confucius, Buddha, and indeed, Mao Tse-Tung,
serve similar purposes for other groups. In Stalin's case, the
writings of Marx, Engels, and Lenin incited him, but to stop here
would be premature. There is one man-book amalgam which may have
been even more determinative for Stalin, especially during his
youthful, impressionable years. The man was Charles Darwin; the
book--his The Origin of Species.


[...]

As a child, perhaps, Iosif was deluded by godless Darwinism. As an
adult, however, this former divinity-school student returned to Jesus,
wiping out leading Soviet geneticists.
http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/lysenko.html
Brother William Jennings Bryan would have envied him. Hallelujah!

--Rev. Fyron Brymstoun, DD, DT, J&B

The whole T. D. Slysenko phenomenon is an object lesson regarding
where the Discovery Institute anti-science types will irrevocaby take us
if they have their way.
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User: "Dan Clore"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 18 Oct 2004 06:06:17 PM
Voice of Truth wrote:

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH

How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.
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User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 06:51:42 AM
In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,
wrote:

Voice of Truth wrote:

STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.

• Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).
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User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 12:55:32 PM
•R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

wrote:


Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



• Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.
.
User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 19 Oct 2004 02:29:36 PM
In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

•R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

wrote:


Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



• Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.

• okay
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User: "bernard connor"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 12:51:29 AM
(?R.L.Measures) wrote in message news:<r_-1910041229350001@192.168.1.101>...

In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

wrote:


Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.


? okay

Whatever Stalin believed, he like Hitler and Mao were living gods to
their people. Pilgrims still queue to venerate the refrigerated body
of Lenin.
It was similar two thousand years ago. Many Roman Emperors believed
that they were gods. The Hebrew Jews believed the Jeus was Messiah.
The idea that the Great Unknown God Yaweh would father a child was
blasphemy to Christian and Orthodox Jews.
But Paul went off like a loose cannon among the gentiles and he
realised that they were not interested in a Messiah so the Doctrine
that Jesus was the Son of God became basic to the gentile christians.
Bernard.
.
User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 04:42:37 AM
In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.


? okay


Whatever Stalin believed, he like Hitler and Mao were living gods to
their people. Pilgrims still queue to venerate the refrigerated body
of Lenin.

• Chilling


It was similar two thousand years ago. Many Roman Emperors believed
that they were gods. The Hebrew Jews believed the Jeus was Messiah.
The idea that the Great Unknown God Yaweh would father a child was
blasphemy to Christian and Orthodox Jews.

But Paul went off like a loose cannon among the gentiles and he
realised that they were not interested in a Messiah so the Doctrine
that Jesus was the Son of God became basic to the gentile christians.

• If gentiles were not interested in a Messiah, why is this a gentile
doctrine today?


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User: "bernard connor"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 12:10:27 PM
(?R.L.Measures) wrote in message news:<r_-2010040242370001@192.168.1.101>...

In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

(?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back decades
because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.


? okay


Whatever Stalin believed, he like Hitler and Mao were living gods to
their people. Pilgrims still queue to venerate the refrigerated body
of Lenin.


? Chilling


It was similar two thousand years ago. Many Roman Emperors believed
that they were gods. The Hebrew Jews believed the Jeus was Messiah.
The idea that the Great Unknown God Yaweh would father a child was
blasphemy to Christian and Orthodox Jews.

But Paul went off like a loose cannon among the gentiles and he
realised that they were not interested in a Messiah so the Doctrine
that Jesus was the Son of God became basic to the gentile christians.


? If gentiles were not interested in a Messiah, why is this a gentile
doctrine today?


cheers, Bernard.

I did not mean to imply that gentile Christians did not believe that
Jesus was Messiah. They also believed that he was the physical son of
God.
This was blasphemous to both Christian and Orthodox Jews.
Cheers
Bernard.
.
User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 08:20:33 PM
In article <6bc4e164.0410200910.71fc71fc@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

...
But Paul went off like a loose cannon among the gentiles and he
realised that they were not interested in a Messiah so the Doctrine
that Jesus was the Son of God became basic to the gentile christians.


? If gentiles were not interested in a Messiah, why is this a gentile
doctrine today?


cheers, Bernard.


I did not mean to imply that gentile Christians did not believe that
Jesus was Messiah. They also believed that he was the physical son of
God.

This was blasphemous to both Christian and Orthodox Jews.

** okay
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User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 05:57:18 PM
•R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back
decades because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.


? okay


Whatever Stalin believed, he like Hitler and Mao were living gods to
their people. Pilgrims still queue to venerate the refrigerated body
of Lenin.


• Chilling

It is still canon law that every RCC church has to have a relic
from a saint under the altar.
Generally not refrigerated.
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User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 20 Oct 2004 08:22:45 PM
In article <4176fa74$0$168$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp wrote:

•R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back
decades because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Oh quite right. But Lysekoism , although it's not Darwinism, is
nevertheless not Theism i.e. belief in any supernatural creator
and ruler of the universe.
Moreover the Even Theism vs. Atheism is not the point of the discussion
of Stalins' Faith.
It's the qualities of the ruling spirit of the universe which guided
Stalin that's relevant.


? okay


Whatever Stalin believed, he like Hitler and Mao were living gods to
their people. Pilgrims still queue to venerate the refrigerated body
of Lenin.


• Chilling



It is still canon law that every RCC church has to have a relic
from a saint under the altar.

Generally not refrigerated.

• As I understand it, such relics occasionally turn up on eBay.
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User: "Maoist"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 26 Oct 2004 02:00:19 AM
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In article <4176fa74$0$168$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp wrote:

.R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk (bernard connor) wrote:

r_@somis.org (?R.L.Measures) wrote in message

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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back
decades because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).

Maoist Internationalist Movement reply:
I would point out that Lysenko was at least a plant biologist and he was a
lot closer to the
truth in his day than the creationists today who are stymying teaching of
evolution in schools
in Georgia and elsewhere.
Also, Stalin DOUBLED the life expectancy of his people. You won't find any
Christian
politician doing that.
See our FAQ on Stalin:
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/stalin.html
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 26 Oct 2004 11:15:49 AM
"Maoist" <bosmim@yahoo.com> wrote

Also, Stalin DOUBLED the life expectancy of his people. You won't find any
Christian
politician doing that.

Gag yourself, you *****.
BAM
.

User: "bernard connor"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 26 Oct 2004 12:13:04 PM
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In article <4176fa74$0$168$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp wrote:

.R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <6bc4e164.0410192151.55ed2eed@posting.google.com>,
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In article <DAcdd.17395$qH3.4430@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
urjlew@bellsouth.net wrote:

?R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <2tj0jfF1voa1sU1@uni-berlin.de>,

clore@columbia-center.org wrote:



Voice of Truth wrote:


STALIN'S BRUTAL FAITH


How bloody ignorant can you get? Stalin explicitly rejected
Darwin in favor of Lysenkoism, and killed people for
promoting Darwinism.



? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back
decades because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).


Maoist Internationalist Movement reply:
I would point out that Lysenko was at least a plant biologist and he was a
lot closer to the
truth in his day than the creationists today who are stymying teaching of
evolution in schools
in Georgia and elsewhere.

Also, Stalin DOUBLED the life expectancy of his people. You won't find any
Christian
politician doing that.

See our FAQ on Stalin:
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/stalin.html

It is quite incredible that somebody is still reading Mao's Little red
book and believing in it.
Bernard
.

User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Darwinism: Stalin's Brutal Faith 26 Oct 2004 06:17:09 AM
In article <CGsfd.19916$NC6.15320@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
"Maoist" <bosmim@yahoo.com> wrote:

".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <4176fa74$0$168$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp wrote:

...

? Indeed. The net result was that Russian biology was set back
decades because of Trofim Lysenko (1898 - 1976).


Maoist Internationalist Movement reply:
I would point out that Lysenko was at least a plant biologist and he was a
lot closer to the
truth in his day than the creationists today who are stymying teaching of
evolution in schools
in Georgia and elsewhere.

** Good point, but comparing Lysenko with spreaders religious myths is of
no value.


Also, Stalin DOUBLED the life expectancy of his people. You won't find any
Christian
politician doing that.

** Nor will you find a Christian politician who can get away with having
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