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Excerpted from:
http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set
himself the task of battling the cult of science of his
time. To his private students in London – mostly teenagers
from Orthodox homes who attended public school – he first
emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and
how little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of
life.
Next Rabbi Dessler would show the inherent bias from which
scientists too suffer. As one of his closest talmidim from
that period, Rabbi Aryeh Carmell, puts it, "So successful
did this method [of revealing the hidden premises and bias]
prove that one of his followers, if faced with a conflict
between a widely held contemporary view and a tenet of
Torah, instead of putting himself on the defensive and
groping for apologetics, will immediately endeavor to bring
to light the bias, individual, social and otherwise, which
has given rise to the divergent viewpoint."
Rabbi Dessler emphasized how the slightest self-interest is
sufficient to prejudice the outcome of any decision-making
process, and that this applied no less to scientific
judgments than any other. He demonstrated the point by
taking what might be a prototypical scientist for his example:
"Think of a person who, by the power of his intellect alone,
wants to re-examine some fundamental problem – such as was
the world created for a purpose. . . . Let us assume that
the person possesses a keen intellect, is well-educated and
well-informed. However, so far as character is concerned he
is pretty average. He has never seriously tackled his moral
failings. . . . [Now let us say that] we are talking about a
very comprehensive problem . . . . On the solution will
depend whether he will be obliged to struggle constantly
with his baser desires, . . . or whether he will live with
no restraints on his desires apart from those he deigns to
place on them. . . ." Can we seriously believe, Rabbi
Dessler asked, that he will arrive at a true conclusion
merely by the exercise of his intellectual powers?
Scientists themselves have admitted their own susceptibility
to various forms of bias. In his classic work, The Structure
of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn describes scientists’
resistance to abandoning a given paradigm until an
acceptable alternative is proposed, no matter how much
countervailing evidence has accumulated. Scientists are
uncomfortable moving from a position of purported knowledge
to one of ignorance. Stephen Jay Gould, one of the leading
neo-Darwinists, discusses in The Structure of Evolutionary
Theory the ways in which social and career incentives cause
scientists to fail to fully grasp the import of the date
they observe.
NOWHERE IS THE BIAS OF SCIENTISTS on more prominent display
than with respect to the ever roiling debates over Darwinian
evolution. Supporters of Darwin often find it convenient to
obfuscate the extent to which they view his theory of
natural selection among random mutations as a full
refutation of all religious belief. But others are more
candid. Richard Dawkins, perhaps the best known present day
defender of Darwin, famously claims, "Darwin made it
possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist." George
Gaylord Simpson, another leading Darwinist, states the
meaning of evolution: "Man is the result of a purposeless
and natural process that did not have him in mind."
Cornell University’s William Provine plays the role of the
prototypical scientist in Rabbi Dessler’s example,
proclaiming, "a world strictly organized in accordance with
mechanistic principles . . . . implies that there are no
inherent moral or ethical laws. "
These scientists cannot claim that these views are merely
the outgrowth of the overwhelming empirical evidence in
favor of Darwin’s theory of natural selection. That theory
rests not on empirical observation but on a priori
assumptions. In a 1981 lecture at the American Museum of
Natural History, Colin Patterson, the chief paleontologist
at the British Natural History Museum, observed that both
creationism and Darwinian observation are scientifically
vacuous concepts, which are held primarily on the basis of
faith. Patterson related that he had asked the members of an
evolutionary morphology seminar at the University of Chicago
to tell him just one thing about evolution that they knew to
be true. The response was a long and embarrassed silence.
The scientific naturalism of the Darwinists – the belief
that everything can be explained by natural, material forces
-- is ultimately founded on rhetorical legerdemain that has
nothing to do with science. First step: exclude all
non-natural causes as a priori inadmissible. Second step: If
Darwinian evolution were true, it would explain the observed
taxonomic similarities between different living things.
Third step: Since no alternative explanation currently
exists to explain those phenomena, Darwinism must be true.
(This step, to which Darwinists inevitably have recourse
whenever the holes in the theory are pointed out, Philip
Johnson astutely notes in Darwin on Trial, is the equivalent
of preventing a criminal defendant from presenting an alibi
until he can produce the real criminal.) Fourth step: Since
Darwinism is true, all explanations based on non-natural
causes are vanquished. Note how that which was a priori
excluded at the outset is now deemed to have been somehow
disproved.
Colin Patterson was right that the Darwinian theory of life
developing through trillions of micromutations, sifted by
natural selection, is not scientific. A scientific theory,
as defined by Karl Popper, must be falsifiable. When
Einstein introduced his General Theory of Relativity, for
instance, he offered at the same time a series of bold
predictions based on the theory and by which it could be tested.
Instead of constructing such tests for their theory,
Darwinists start by assuming the truth of theory and then
looking for corroboration, a travesty of Popper’s definition
of science. Studies of the fossil record, for instance, that
fail to buttress the theory are deemed failures and never
published. Gareth Nelson of the American Museum of National
History describes the process by which Darwinian "ancestors"
are picked: "We’ve got to have some ancestors. We’ll pick
those. Why? Because we know that they have to be there, and
these are the best candidates. That’s by and large how it
has worked. I’m not exaggerating."
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26 Jul 2007 01:24:08 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
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26 Jul 2007 10:30:03 PM |
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8aos90ts1@enews4.newsguy.com...
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
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In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Hey -- don't be so disrespectful!
Remember that this is *the very same* Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler whom we
venerate for his discovery of Pluto; his development of heart-transplant
surgery; his explanation of plate tectonics; his contributions to
mathematical group theory; his isolating of vitamin K; his decisive work on
the motion of deep-ocean currents; and his triumphant discovery of the
element 'Bullshittium'...
L.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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26 Jul 2007 10:54:02 PM |
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Pt. Lurk wrote:
"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8aos90ts1@enews4.newsguy.com...
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Hey -- don't be so disrespectful!
Remember that this is *the very same* Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler whom we
venerate for his discovery of Pluto; his development of heart-transplant
surgery; his explanation of plate tectonics; his contributions to
mathematical group theory; his isolating of vitamin K; his decisive work on
the motion of deep-ocean currents; and his triumphant discovery of the
element 'Bullshittium'...
Hysterical insult and defamation in substitution for cogent
refutation of the article is par for your course.
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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27 Jul 2007 09:00:37 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
news:UKWdneeePNI39jTbnZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@comcast.com to alt.atheism:
Pt. Lurk wrote:
"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8aos90ts1@enews4.newsguy.com...
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the
task of battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Hey -- don't be so disrespectful!
Remember that this is *the very same* Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler
whom we venerate for his discovery of Pluto; his development of
heart-transplant surgery; his explanation of plate tectonics; his
contributions to mathematical group theory; his isolating of vitamin
K; his decisive work on the motion of deep-ocean currents; and his
triumphant discovery of the element 'Bullshittium'...
Hysterical insult and defamation in substitution for cogent
refutation of the article is par for your course.
You can't defend it, we don't need to refute it. As it stands, it's self-
refuting. You wouldn't understand that, though, and I'm niot going to
waste my timme tryingto explain it to you. Stop blaming people who didn't
***** up their education for your own ignorance.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama
Bin Laden
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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27 Jul 2007 11:12:55 AM |
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in
news:UKWdneeePNI39jTbnZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@comcast.com to alt.atheism:
Pt. Lurk wrote:
"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8aos90ts1@enews4.newsguy.com...
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the
task of battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Hey -- don't be so disrespectful!
Remember that this is *the very same* Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler
whom we venerate for his discovery of Pluto; his development of
heart-transplant surgery; his explanation of plate tectonics; his
contributions to mathematical group theory; his isolating of vitamin
K; his decisive work on the motion of deep-ocean currents; and his
triumphant discovery of the element 'Bullshittium'...
Hysterical insult and defamation in substitution for cogent
refutation of the article is par for your course.
You can't defend it, we don't need to refute it. As it stands, it's self-
refuting. You wouldn't understand that, though, and I'm niot going to
waste my timme tryingto explain it to you. Stop blaming people who didn't
***** up their education for your own ignorance.
LOL
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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27 Jul 2007 11:48:31 AM |
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On Jul 27, 5:12 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:UKWdneeePNI39jTbnZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@comcast.comto alt.atheism:
Pt. Lurk wrote:
"LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8aos90ts1@enews4.newsguy.com...
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the
task of battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Hey -- don't be so disrespectful!
Remember that this is *the very same* Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler
whom we venerate for his discovery of Pluto; his development of
heart-transplant surgery; his explanation of plate tectonics; his
contributions to mathematical group theory; his isolating of vitamin
K; his decisive work on the motion of deep-ocean currents; and his
triumphant discovery of the element 'Bullshittium'...
Hysterical insult and defamation in substitution for cogent
refutation of the article is par for your course.
You can't defend it, we don't need to refute it. As it stands, it's self-
refuting. You wouldn't understand that, though, and I'm niot going to
waste my timme tryingto explain it to you. Stop blaming people who didn't
***** up their education for your own ignorance.
LOL
Q.E.D.
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26 Jul 2007 02:04:38 PM |
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LC <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Oh *****, RoyBoy is back?
Someone at the nut hutch must think they have his meds balanced.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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26 Jul 2007 02:42:49 PM |
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LC wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Creationists *hate* science. Science has taken their flat earth theory
away from them, it took geocentricism away, deprived them of a star's
ability to fall to earth, the sun's ability to stop in the sky... and
now it's taking god's ability to create stuff away. Poor poor
creationists. Maybe if they're lucky, they'll "evolve" into ostriches
so they can put their heads in a hole and forget about life all together.
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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26 Jul 2007 02:56:18 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:NdmdnS8dS9SnZDXbnZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@inreach.com...
LC wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task
of battling the cult of science <flush verbose babble>
"The cult of science..."?
Now THAT's funny!
Creationists *hate* science. Science has taken their flat earth theory
away from them, it took geocentricism away, deprived them of a star's
ability to fall to earth, the sun's ability to stop in the sky... and now
it's taking god's ability to create stuff away. Poor poor creationists.
Hey, what about 'poor poor' me?
I had to buy thousands of dollars of scuba equipment because I couldn't
find someone to part the seas for me.
Maybe if they're lucky, they'll "evolve" into ostriches so they can put
their heads in a hole and forget about life all together.
<G>
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "Furnace" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinism – Science or Secular Religi |
27 Jul 2007 02:50:18 AM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London – mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school –
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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27 Jul 2007 11:51:12 AM |
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Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London – mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school –
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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27 Jul 2007 11:52:30 AM |
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On Jul 27, 5:51 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
I
haven't a clue.
<snipped for brevity and accuracy>
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| User: "JessHC" |
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02 Aug 2007 05:03:21 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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03 Aug 2007 05:40:30 AM |
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JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
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02 Aug 2007 05:46:28 PM |
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On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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03 Aug 2007 06:31:31 AM |
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wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
I'm not concerned with "convincing" anyone of anything. Nor
am I concerned with joining the envy ridden crowd of
unthinking, indoctrinated, knee jerk "intellectuals" merely
to belong.
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02 Aug 2007 08:18:23 PM |
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On Aug 3, 7:31 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
I'm not concerned with "convincing" anyone of anything.
The amount of time and energy I've seen you expend for the last ten
years would seem to prove otherwise.
Nor
am I concerned with joining the envy ridden crowd of
unthinking, indoctrinated, knee jerk "intellectuals" merely
to belong.
Damn that `reality-based worldview!' Full speed ahead!
-PF, Atl.
yadayadayada
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wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:31 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
I'm not concerned with "convincing" anyone of anything.
The amount of time and energy I've seen you expend for the last ten
years would seem to prove otherwise.
I've expended a lot of time and energy playing a lot of
football over the last 20 years but I never tried to
convince anyone to play like me. Can you get that moribund
mind of yours around the concept?
Nor
am I concerned with joining the envy ridden crowd of
unthinking, indoctrinated, knee jerk "intellectuals" merely
to belong.
Damn that `reality-based worldview!' Full speed ahead!
Its your 'world view'. You're welcome to it.
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03 Aug 2007 06:46:28 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:31 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
I'm not concerned with "convincing" anyone of anything.
The amount of time and energy I've seen you expend for the last ten
years would seem to prove otherwise.
I've expended a lot of time and energy playing a lot of
football over the last 20 years but I never tried to
convince anyone to play like me.
It must have been fulfilling, declaring yourself the winner regardless
the actual outcome.
Can you get that moribund mind of yours around the concept?
Yes; you enjoy wasting others' time spouting nonsense because of all
the head injuries you suffered playing football.
Nor am I concerned with joining the envy ridden crowd of
unthinking, indoctrinated, knee jerk "intellectuals" merely to belong.
Damn that `reality-based worldview!' Full speed ahead!
Its your 'world view'. You're welcome to it.
Much better to prefer thoughtless superstition, hmm?
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03 Aug 2007 06:40:57 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:40 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
No, it's supposed to make you think. No small wonder you're not
familiar with the sensation.
Lorr, why do you even bother? You've been posting this tripe for
years, and no one living in a nation with indoor plumbing believes
you. If you really believe that crap, fine...but can't you see that
it's a waste of time trying to convince anyone else?
I'm not concerned with "convincing" anyone of anything.
Ah, then you're merely aspiring to be an ignorant pest.
Nor am I concerned with joining the envy ridden crowd of
unthinking, indoctrinated, knee jerk "intellectuals" merely
to belong.
How principled of you; don't think to avoid thinking. I'm envious.
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03 Aug 2007 06:28:47 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Furnace wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BNedneuMM62_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com...
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task of
battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London - mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school -
he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
The "Cult" of Mathematics doesn't have anything useful to say "concerning
the ultimate purposes of life." Why don't they ever pick on that for a
change?
I see you're trying to say something but what it is, I
haven't a clue. Perhaps you'll expand on what I'm sure you
believe is merely the preamble to a cogent argument.
It's no wonder you don't have a clue.
Is that supposed to make me wonder? LOL
Of course not, because you don't have a clue; it's others observing
your cluelessness who have no cause for wonder. If you were able to
use your brain for anything other than ballast, you would have
understood that simple English sentence.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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26 Jul 2007 01:10:22 PM |
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On Jul 26, 5:03 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
Excerpted from:http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Provide some bloody proof for your creation myth, *****.
Then, I'll listen.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jul 2007 12:59:49 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:03:28 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
Oh get stuffed.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
- Dr. House
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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26 Jul 2007 01:40:46 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in news:BNedneuMM62
_WDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@comcast.com to alt.atheism:
Excerpted from:
http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set
himself the task of battling the cult of science of his
time. To his private students in London – mostly teenagers
from Orthodox homes who attended public school – he first
emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and
how little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of
life.
What an *****! Religion ahs absolutely nothing to say to anybody in the
21st century. It didn't really have 400 years ago. Science has the only
definitve thing there is to say about the "ultimate purposes of life":
There aren't any. Get over it.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama
Bin Laden
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26 Jul 2007 12:49:48 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Instead of constructing such tests for their theory, Darwinists start by
assuming the truth of theory and then looking for corroboration, a
travesty of Popper’s definition of science. Studies of the fossil
record, for instance, that fail to buttress the theory are deemed
failures and never published. Gareth Nelson of the American Museum of
National History describes the process by which Darwinian "ancestors"
are picked: "We’ve got to have some ancestors. We’ll pick those. Why?
Because we know that they have to be there, and these are the best
candidates. That’s by and large how it has worked. I’m not exaggerating."
You say that like it is a bad thing. You are aware it is not possible
to look at an ancient species and say "This species is definitely the
ancestor of a current one and not a species that went extinct without
leaving any descendants"?
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02 Aug 2007 05:00:46 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Excerpted from:
http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
<snip twaddle>
Colin Patterson was right that the Darwinian theory of life
developing through trillions of micromutations, sifted by
natural selection, is not scientific. A scientific theory,
as defined by Karl Popper, must be falsifiable. When
Einstein introduced his General Theory of Relativity, for
instance, he offered at the same time a series of bold
predictions based on the theory and by which it could be tested.
You don't understand what you're cutting and pasting.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&defl=en&q=define:scientific+theory&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Definitions of scientific theory on the Web:
* An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon
occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories
may be redefined as new hypotheses are tested. Examples of theories:
Newton's Theory of Gravitation, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Mendel's
theory of Inheritance, Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/res/res-glossary.html
* A hypothesis that is widely accepted by the scientific
community.
www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html
* a statement that postulates ordered relationships among natural
phenomena.
farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/
* The most logical explanation of why things work the way they do.
A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated
experiments and observations and found always to work.
jmsscienceweb.tripod.com/vocabulary.htm
* A body of knowledge using controlled-variable experimental
methods to construct a formal and mathematically structured system. It
studies the character of natural reality. Scientific Management (6).
System of management popular in the first decades of the 20th c.
Proponants sought to transform industry, government and society
through greater efficiency. Utilizes top-down approach.
www.udmercy.edu/faculty_pages/staudenmaier_sj/ethics/glossary.html
* a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific
theories must be falsifiable"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* The word theory has a number distinct meanings depending on the
context.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#science
"In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a
testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural
phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of
the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or
otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from
this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand
in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on
earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and
the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behaviour are
Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and
general relativity."
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03 Aug 2007 06:21:42 AM |
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JessHC wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Excerpted from:
http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism - Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
<snip twaddle>
Colin Patterson was right that the Darwinian theory of life
developing through trillions of micromutations, sifted by
natural selection, is not scientific. A scientific theory,
as defined by Karl Popper, must be falsifiable. When
Einstein introduced his General Theory of Relativity, for
instance, he offered at the same time a series of bold
predictions based on the theory and by which it could be tested.
You don't understand what you're cutting and pasting.
Sure.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&defl=en&q=define:scientific+theory&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Definitions of scientific theory on the Web:
* An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon
occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories
may be redefined as new hypotheses are tested. Examples of theories:
Newton's Theory of Gravitation, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Mendel's
theory of Inheritance, Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/res/res-glossary.html
So?
* A hypothesis that is widely accepted by the scientific
community.
www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html
Many myths are widely accepted. That many scientists accept
certain unique myths is old news.
* a statement that postulates ordered relationships among natural
phenomena.
farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/
A "statement" that postulates nonsense is nonsense whether
or not it is accepted as fact by a preponderance of one's
peers. You do Know what "peer" means, no?
* The most logical explanation of why things work the way they do.
A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated
experiments and observations and found always to work.
jmsscienceweb.tripod.com/vocabulary.htm
Since you're so fond of "logical" explanation, you should
have no trouble explaining with scientific precision the
repeated experiments and observations that show in nature,
one species changing into another.
* A body of knowledge using controlled-variable experimental
methods to construct a formal and mathematically structured system. It
studies the character of natural reality. Scientific Management (6).
System of management popular in the first decades of the 20th c.
Proponants sought to transform industry, government and society
through greater efficiency. Utilizes top-down approach.
www.udmercy.edu/faculty_pages/staudenmaier_sj/ethics/glossary.html
Sure, just try building something from the 'top down'.
* a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific
theories must be falsifiable"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Is the theory regarding the changing of one species into
another 'fallsifiable'?
* The word theory has a number distinct meanings depending on the
context.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#science
"In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a
testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural
phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of
the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or
otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from
this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand
in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on
earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and
the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behaviour are
Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and
general relativity."
Evolution theory fails the test.
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26 Jul 2007 04:46:53 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Lovely. The minions of the science religion have no
credible argument against the article itself (below) beyond
hysterical, hate filled babble. LOL
Excerpted from: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/915/%3Cbr%20/%3E
Darwinism – Science or Secular Religion?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
January 11, 2006
In the early 1930s, Rabbi Eliyahu Eliezer Dessler set himself the task
of battling the cult of science of his time. To his private students in
London – mostly teenagers from Orthodox homes who attended public school
– he first emphasized how circumscribed is the realm of science, and how
little it has to say concerning the ultimate purposes of life.
Next Rabbi Dessler would show the inherent bias from which scientists
too suffer. As one of his closest talmidim from that period, Rabbi Aryeh
Carmell, puts it, "So successful did this method [of revealing the
hidden premises and bias] prove that one of his followers, if faced with
a conflict between a widely held contemporary view and a tenet of Torah,
instead of putting himself on the defensive and groping for apologetics,
will immediately endeavor to bring to light the bias, individual, social
and otherwise, which has given rise to the divergent viewpoint."
Rabbi Dessler emphasized how the slightest self-interest is sufficient
to prejudice the outcome of any decision-making process, and that this
applied no less to scientific judgments than any other. He demonstrated
the point by taking what might be a prototypical scientist for his example:
"Think of a person who, by the power of his intellect alone, wants to
re-examine some fundamental problem – such as was the world created for
a purpose. . . . Let us assume that the person possesses a keen
intellect, is well-educated and well-informed. However, so far as
character is concerned he is pretty average. He has never seriously
tackled his moral failings. . . . [Now let us say that] we are talking
about a very comprehensive problem . . . . On the solution will depend
whether he will be obliged to struggle constantly with his baser
desires, . . . or whether he will live with no restraints on his desires
apart from those he deigns to place on them. . . ." Can we seriously
believe, Rabbi Dessler asked, that he will arrive at a true conclusion
merely by the exercise of his intellectual powers?
Scientists themselves have admitted their own susceptibility to various
forms of bias. In his classic work, The Structure of Scientific
Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn describes scientists’ resistance to abandoning
a given paradigm until an acceptable alternative is proposed, no matter
how much countervailing evidence has accumulated. Scientists are
uncomfortable moving from a position of purported knowledge to one of
ignorance. Stephen Jay Gould, one of the leading neo-Darwinists,
discusses in The Structure of Evolutionary Theory the ways in which
social and career incentives cause scientists to fail to fully grasp the
import of the date they observe.
NOWHERE IS THE BIAS OF SCIENTISTS on more prominent display than with
respect to the ever roiling debates over Darwinian evolution. Supporters
of Darwin often find it convenient to obfuscate the extent to which they
view his theory of natural selection among random mutations as a full
refutation of all religious belief. But others are more candid. Richard
Dawkins, perhaps the best known present day defender of Darwin, famously
claims, "Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled
atheist." George Gaylord Simpson, another leading Darwinist, states the
meaning of evolution: "Man is the result of a purposeless and natural
process that did not have him in mind."
Cornell University’s William Provine plays the role of the prototypical
scientist in Rabbi Dessler’s example, proclaiming, "a world strictly
organized in accordance with mechanistic principles . . . . implies that
there are no inherent moral or ethical laws. "
These scientists cannot claim that these views are merely the outgrowth
of the overwhelming empirical evidence in favor of Darwin’s theory of
natural selection. That theory rests not on empirical observation but on
a priori assumptions. In a 1981 lecture at the American Museum of
Natural History, Colin Patterson, the chief paleontologist at the
British Natural History Museum, observed that both creationism and
Darwinian observation are scientifically vacuous concepts, which are
held primarily on the basis of faith. Patterson related that he had
asked the members of an evolutionary morphology seminar at the
University of Chicago to tell him just one thing about evolution that
they knew to be true. The response was a long and embarrassed silence.
The scientific naturalism of the Darwinists – the belief that everything
can be explained by natural, material forces -- is ultimately founded on
rhetorical legerdemain that has nothing to do with science. First step:
exclude all non-natural causes as a priori inadmissible. Second step: If
Darwinian evolution were true, it would explain the observed taxonomic
similarities between different living things. Third step: Since no
alternative explanation currently exists to explain those phenomena,
Darwinism must be true. (This step, to which Darwinists inevitably have
recourse whenever the holes in the theory are pointed out, Philip
Johnson astutely notes in Darwin on Trial, is the equivalent of
preventing a criminal defendant from presenting an alibi until he can
produce the real criminal.) Fourth step: Since Darwinism is true, all
explanations based on non-natural causes are vanquished. Note how that
which was a priori excluded at the outset is now deemed to have been
somehow disproved.
Colin Patterson was right that the Darwinian theory of life developing
through trillions of micromutations, sifted by natural selection, is not
scientific. A scientific theory, as defined by Karl Popper, must be
falsifiable. When Einstein introduced his General Theory of Relativity,
for instance, he offered at the same time a series of bold predictions
based on the theory and by which it could be tested.
Instead of constructing such tests for their theory, Darwinists start by
assuming the truth of theory and then looking for corroboration, a
travesty of Popper’s definition of science. Studies of the fossil
record, for instance, that fail to buttress the theory are deemed
failures and never published. Gareth Nelson of the American Museum of
National History describes the process by which Darwinian "ancestors"
are picked: "We’ve got to have some ancestors. We’ll pick those. Why?
Because we know that they have to be there, and these are the best
candidates. That’s by and large how it has worked. I’m not exaggerating."
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27 Jul 2007 04:36:39 AM |
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On Jul 26, 10:46 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Lovely. The minions of the science religion have no
credible argument against the article itself (below) beyond
hysterical, hate filled babble. LOL
Other than asking you to provide some fucking evidence, something I
knew you wouldn't do, or couldn't do. That's an argument, you
worthless little shite, so ***** until you can provide some
evidence in favour of your own beliefs.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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27 Jul 2007 11:39:48 AM |
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Lucifer wrote:
On Jul 26, 10:46 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Lovely. The minions of the science religion have no
credible argument against the article itself (below) beyond
hysterical, hate filled babble. LOL
Other than asking you to provide some fucking evidence, something I
knew you wouldn't do, or couldn't do. That's an argument, you
worthless little shite, so ***** until you can provide some
evidence in favour of your own beliefs.
Passing the buck suits you.
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