Religions > Atheism > Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
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27 Jul 2006 11:42:20 AM |
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Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Indeed, some, such as University of Washington psychology professor
David P. Barash, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to knock us
off the pedestal of exceptionalism. This includes, as he urges in this
piece published in the LA Times, creating human/chimp hybrids to prove
that we are just a bunch of apes. (This is not the first time I have
seen such advocacy.) And, bonus of bonuses, Barash believes, such a
hybrid man/ape would prove that materialistic Darwinism is true.
Barash writes: "Should geneticists and developmental biologists succeed
once again in joining human and nonhuman animals in a viable
organism--as our ancient human and chimp ancestors appear to have done
long ago--it would be difficult and perhaps impossible for the special
pleaders to maintain the fallacy that Homo sapiens is uniquely
disconnected from the rest of life...
"Moreover, the benefits of such a physical demonstration of
human-nonhuman unity would go beyond simply discomfiting the naysayers,
beyond merely bolstering a 'reality based' as opposed to a bogus 'faith
based' worldview. I am thinking of the powerful payoff that would come
from puncturing the most hurtful myth of all time, that of
discontinuity between human beings and other life forms. This myth is
at the root of our environmental destruction--and our possible
self-destruction."
Barash is so wrong: Believing that humans are special is not a "hurtful
myth" that disconnects us from the rest of life. It is a powerful moral
imperative that places upon our shoulders special--and uniquely
human--duties to life and the planet. Indeed, if we come to disbelieve
that humanity is an exceptional species, we will be dismantling one of
the most important concepts in human affairs--the belief in human
exceptionalism.
This would be catastrophic. I strongly believe that our widespread
acceptance of our unique status in the known universe is precisely why
we accept the human duty to treat animals humanely, preserve the
environment (you won't see elephants or any other animal giving a hoot
about the destruction they cause), and promote universal human rights.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism, since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here through
divine or other intelligent intervention. Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
Dr. Barash reveals his real purpose late in the column when, seemingly
shaking with rage, he rails against Judeo/Christian belief as causing
"speciesism." Ah yes, that old bugaboo. Don't we know that a rat, is a
pig, is a dog, is a boy?
He should get a grip. If he and his ilk succeed in convincing humanity
that we are just another animal in the forest, that is precisely how we
will act.
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27 Jul 2006 01:50:20 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Exceptionalism," is that what they're calling hubris now?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Jul 2006 01:57:35 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Sound of Trumpet bleemed snorg
<1154018540.033769.18510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 09:42:20 -0700:
Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
You lie.
He's a professor of psychology who said something nutty. It's not like
that's never happened before. And that's all you got. Some goofy Ph.D. of
psychology made some goofy remarks.
Whoopee.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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27 Jul 2006 01:12:58 PM |
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Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Indeed, some, such as University of Washington psychology professor
David P. Barash, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to knock us
off the pedestal of exceptionalism. This includes, as he urges in this
piece published in the LA Times, creating human/chimp hybrids to prove
that we are just a bunch of apes. (This is not the first time I have
seen such advocacy.) And, bonus of bonuses, Barash believes, such a
hybrid man/ape would prove that materialistic Darwinism is true.
Barash writes: "Should geneticists and developmental biologists succeed
once again in joining human and nonhuman animals in a viable
organism--as our ancient human and chimp ancestors appear to have done
long ago--it would be difficult and perhaps impossible for the special
pleaders to maintain the fallacy that Homo sapiens is uniquely
disconnected from the rest of life...
"Moreover, the benefits of such a physical demonstration of
human-nonhuman unity would go beyond simply discomfiting the naysayers,
beyond merely bolstering a 'reality based' as opposed to a bogus 'faith
based' worldview. I am thinking of the powerful payoff that would come
from puncturing the most hurtful myth of all time, that of
discontinuity between human beings and other life forms. This myth is
at the root of our environmental destruction--and our possible
self-destruction."
Barash is so wrong: Believing that humans are special is not a "hurtful
myth" that disconnects us from the rest of life. It is a powerful moral
imperative that places upon our shoulders special--and uniquely
human--duties to life and the planet. Indeed, if we come to disbelieve
that humanity is an exceptional species, we will be dismantling one of
the most important concepts in human affairs--the belief in human
exceptionalism.
This would be catastrophic. I strongly believe that our widespread
acceptance of our unique status in the known universe is precisely why
we accept the human duty to treat animals humanely, preserve the
environment (you won't see elephants or any other animal giving a hoot
about the destruction they cause), and promote universal human rights.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism, since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here through
divine or other intelligent intervention. Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
Dr. Barash reveals his real purpose late in the column when, seemingly
shaking with rage, he rails against Judeo/Christian belief as causing
"speciesism." Ah yes, that old bugaboo. Don't we know that a rat, is a
pig, is a dog, is a boy?
He should get a grip. If he and his ilk succeed in convincing humanity
that we are just another animal in the forest, that is precisely how we
will act.
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| User: "Wilson Heydt" |
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| Title: Re: Republican Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Another Human/Chimp Hybrid |
27 Jul 2006 01:21:33 PM |
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In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
--
Hal Heydt
Albany, CA
My dime, my opinions.
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27 Jul 2006 02:07:04 PM |
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Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and
on television. In fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of
air time.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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27 Jul 2006 03:27:38 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and on television. In
fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of air time.
You must be talking about the one that escaped from the lab, was adopted
by the Republican National Committee, and elected President?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Republican Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Another Human/Chimp Hybrid |
27 Jul 2006 03:31:14 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.27.20.27.40.93865@stopspam.net...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and on television. In
fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of air time.
You must be talking about the one that escaped from the lab, was adopted
by the Republican National Committee, and elected President?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Naw, he was talking about the one you took home that night you got blasted
at the bar. How are the kids, anyway?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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27 Jul 2006 08:27:03 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:31:14 +0000, Rick wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.27.20.27.40.93865@stopspam.net...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and on television.
In fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of air time.
You must be talking about the one that escaped from the lab, was adopted
by the Republican National Committee, and elected President? --
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Naw, he was talking about the one you took home that night you got blasted
at the bar. How are the kids, anyway?
Numerous and belligerent, of course.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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28 Jul 2006 08:30:31 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:31:14 +0000, Rick wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.27.20.27.40.93865@stopspam.net...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and on television.
In fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of air time.
You must be talking about the one that escaped from the lab, was adopted
by the Republican National Committee, and elected President? --
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Naw, he was talking about the one you took home that night you got blasted
at the bar. How are the kids, anyway?
Numerous and belligerent, of course.
They've definitely got a future in politics and religion.
But are any of them able to do anything useful?
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27 Jul 2006 07:54:20 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
Wilson Heydt wrote:
In article <1154023978.252981.98100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.... I've seen some evidence for this human-chimp hybrid thing.
SoT could be on to something here.
The only way SoT will *ever* be 'onto someothing" is the same way a
stopped clock will give you the correct time.
I've seen the human/chimp hybrid in the newspapers and on television. In
fact, it seems they're giving him a lot of air time.
You must be talking about the one that escaped from the lab, was adopted
by the Republican National Committee, and elected President?
It was nice of them to give him a job.
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27 Jul 2006 04:48:45 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 09:42:20 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@lycos.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1154018540.033769.18510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Indeed, some, such as University of Washington psychology professor
David P. Barash, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to knock us
off the pedestal of exceptionalism.
The only 'exceptional' that is involved is the self-centered ego some
people appear to have. People who think humans are something special.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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28 Jul 2006 06:32:24 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet copied and pasted:
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Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism, since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here through
divine or other intelligent intervention.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the human race evolved, it is an exceptional race that exists for
its own sake and meaning. If it was created by some guy with a big
beard dressed in a sheet, we are just the detritus from some mad
scientist's petrie dish.
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
(Strumpet):
Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the universe is just there, we - at least theoretically - can
examine it all and catalogue, analyse and understand it. If it was
created by the bearded one, we have no hope.
Of course, we have no hope anyway if SoT's fellow theists in Iran set
off the old nukes.
T G
P. S. If you're there, Sound, (fat chance) why is this message
cross-posted to alt.abortion?
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| User: "brique" |
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29 Jul 2006 04:54:42 AM |
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T Guy <Tim.Bateman@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote in message
news:1154086344.050135.169840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet copied and pasted:
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Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism, since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here through
divine or other intelligent intervention.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the human race evolved, it is an exceptional race that exists for
its own sake and meaning. If it was created by some guy with a big
beard dressed in a sheet, we are just the detritus from some mad
scientist's petrie dish.
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
(Strumpet):
Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the universe is just there, we - at least theoretically - can
examine it all and catalogue, analyse and understand it. If it was
created by the bearded one, we have no hope.
Of course, we have no hope anyway if SoT's fellow theists in Iran set
off the old nukes.
T G
P. S. If you're there, Sound, (fat chance) why is this message
cross-posted to alt.abortion?
In the hope that by posting his/her/its screeds in such non-complimentary
news groups, the opportunity for generating conflict is thus assured. My
theory is that Strumpet is engaged in a competition to see who can create
the longest thread in google-groups. This may be part of a sinister campaign
by microsoft to crash the google-group servers when the magic '1 million
responses' has been reached. Alternately, it could be some radical chrstian
group who, having cracked the bible code (again) reckon a million and one
responses will bring about the Rapture and End of Days.....
But, more prosaically, Strumpet is probably just your common or garden twat
indulging in the cyber version of poking a stick into an ants nest......
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29 Jul 2006 09:50:21 AM |
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brique wrote:
T Guy <Tim.Bateman@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote in message
news:1154086344.050135.169840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet copied and pasted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism, since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here through
divine or other intelligent intervention.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the human race evolved, it is an exceptional race that exists for
its own sake and meaning. If it was created by some guy with a big
beard dressed in a sheet, we are just the detritus from some mad
scientist's petrie dish.
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
(Strumpet):
Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the universe is just there, we - at least theoretically - can
examine it all and catalogue, analyse and understand it. If it was
created by the bearded one, we have no hope.
Of course, we have no hope anyway if SoT's fellow theists in Iran set
off the old nukes.
T G
P. S. If you're there, Sound, (fat chance) why is this message
cross-posted to alt.abortion?
In the hope that by posting his/her/its screeds in such non-complimentary
news groups, the opportunity for generating conflict is thus assured. My
theory is that Strumpet is engaged in a competition to see who can create
the longest thread in google-groups. This may be part of a sinister campaign
by microsoft to crash the google-group servers when the magic '1 million
responses' has been reached. Alternately, it could be some radical chrstian
group who, having cracked the bible code (again) reckon a million and one
responses will bring about the Rapture and End of Days.....
But, more prosaically, Strumpet is probably just your common or garden twat
indulging in the cyber version of poking a stick into an ants nest......
I visualize SoT as a guy in his 40s who still lives with his mother
in a small suburban house in a lower-middle-class neighborhood.
He's never had a girlfriend or boyfriend or had sex, except with
himself, and he's terribly ashamed of that. He likes little boys,
though. Sweats a lot even when the weather is cool. Goes to
mass more than once a week. A few years ago he discovered
the Internet and it dawned on him that he could bring the word to
a world full of atheists, abortionists, and colored people (who
ought to go back where they came from). Favorite celebrity
(picture on the wall): Pius IX.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Human/Chimp Hybrids: SoT |
30 Jul 2006 03:24:34 PM |
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<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
T Guy <Tim.Bateman@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote in message
news:1154086344.050135.169840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet copied and pasted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Let me also add that accepting the theory of evolution is perfectly
consistent with believing in the concept of human exceptionalism,
since
it doesn't matter whether we evolved into our special state of being
through undirected mutation and natural selection or got here
through
divine or other intelligent intervention.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the human race evolved, it is an exceptional race that exists for
its own sake and meaning. If it was created by some guy with a big
beard dressed in a sheet, we are just the detritus from some mad
scientist's petrie dish.
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
(Strumpet):
Indeed, it matters not
whether all there is to life is what we can measure and observe, or
whether, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is far more to life than
are
dreamt of in Dr. Barash's philosophy.
(T Guy):
It does matter.
If the universe is just there, we - at least theoretically - can
examine it all and catalogue, analyse and understand it. If it was
created by the bearded one, we have no hope.
Of course, we have no hope anyway if SoT's fellow theists in Iran set
off the old nukes.
T G
P. S. If you're there, Sound, (fat chance) why is this message
cross-posted to alt.abortion?
In the hope that by posting his/her/its screeds in such
non-complimentary
news groups, the opportunity for generating conflict is thus assured. My
theory is that Strumpet is engaged in a competition to see who can
create
the longest thread in google-groups. This may be part of a sinister
campaign
by microsoft to crash the google-group servers when the magic '1
million
responses' has been reached. Alternately, it could be some radical
chrstian
group who, having cracked the bible code (again) reckon a million and
one
responses will bring about the Rapture and End of Days.....
But, more prosaically, Strumpet is probably just your common or garden
twat
indulging in the cyber version of poking a stick into an ants nest......
I visualize SoT as a guy in his 40s who still lives with his mother
in a small suburban house in a lower-middle-class neighborhood.
He's never had a girlfriend or boyfriend or had sex, except with
himself, and he's terribly ashamed of that. He likes little boys,
though. Sweats a lot even when the weather is cool. Goes to
mass more than once a week. A few years ago he discovered
the Internet and it dawned on him that he could bring the word to
a world full of atheists, abortionists, and colored people (who
ought to go back where they came from). Favorite celebrity
(picture on the wall): Pius IX.
Favorite food : peas (lightly boiled without salt)
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| User: "-Alan aa#1608 BAAWA" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids |
27 Jul 2006 01:49:08 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Oh, so it's the evil scientists who are emeotionally invested in
pulling down man's pedestal? Come on, that's just stupid. It's the
god-soaked who NEED to have humans elevated in order to feel
worthwhile.
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He should get a grip. If he and his ilk succeed in convincing humanity
that we are just another animal in the forest, that is precisely how we
will act.
Right. And if we proved to you that your god didn't exist, you'd turn
into a rampaging axe murderer, because we know the only thing holding
you in check is the thought of divine retribution.
Let me ask a hypothetical question. You are gravely injured and no one
is available to help except a priest and a veterinarian. Which would
you rather have help you? A representative of you god or a doctor
trained to treat animals?
I don't know why I bother reponding to post-and-run SOT but, WOW does
he post some stupid stuff.
-Alan
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| User: "-" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism ByCreating Human/Chimp Hybrids |
27 Jul 2006 11:49:34 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
SecondHand Smoke ^ | July | Wesley Smith
Posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:55 PM PDT by hocndoc
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
I just don't understand the emotional stake some people invest in
convincing us that humankind is nothing special in the universe.
Indeed, some, such as University of Washington psychology professor
David P. Barash, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to knock us
off the pedestal of exceptionalism. This includes, as he urges in this
piece published in the LA Times, creating human/chimp hybrids to prove
that we are just a bunch of apes. (This is not the first time I have
seen such advocacy.) And, bonus of bonuses, Barash believes, such a
hybrid man/ape would prove that materialistic Darwinism is true.
<blah blah>
This would be catastrophic.
Catastrophic it well may be but the poster obviously does not doubt it
is possible. And that was the point. We humans are exceptional for
ourselves only. That defines our morals: 'thou shalt not kill' means
'thou shalt not kill another human'. For the mother nature we are just
another species sharing 98% of our genes with chimps and 70% with
bacteria. Biologically we are not exceptional, it has nothing to do with
morals, we still can be exceptional for ourselves.
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Scientist Plans To Destroy Human Exceptionalism ByCreating Human/Chimp Hybrids |
27 Jul 2006 02:11:12 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1672993/posts
Destroying Human Exceptionalism By Creating Human/Chimp Hybrids
Indeed, some, such as University of Washington psychology professor
David P. Barash, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to knock us
off the pedestal of exceptionalism. This includes, as he urges in this
piece published in the LA Times, creating human/chimp hybrids to prove
that we are just a bunch of apes. (This is not the first time I have
seen such advocacy.) And, bonus of bonuses, Barash believes, such a
hybrid man/ape would prove that materialistic Darwinism is true.
Quick, someone send him a DVD of "First Born"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000FPV8JM/202-2068785-6962232?v=glance&n=283926&s=dvd&v=glance
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R12A2697D
and "Chimera"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00008T4B7/202-2068785-6962232?v=glance&n=573398&s=video&v=glance
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q23A1697D
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