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"Michael Gray" |
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01 Jun 2007 03:56:54 AM |
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Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer |
Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer
Francisco J. Ayala*
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of
California, 321 Steinhaus Hall, Irvine, CA 92697
(Full text at)
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/suppl_1/8567
Darwin's greatest contribution to science is that he completed the
Copernican Revolution by drawing out for biology the notion of nature
as a system of matter in motion governed by natural laws. With
Darwin's discovery of natural selection, the origin and adaptations of
organisms were brought into the realm of science. The adaptive
features of organisms could now be explained, like the phenomena of
the inanimate world, as the result of natural processes, without
recourse to an Intelligent Designer. The Copernican and the Darwinian
Revolutions may be seen as the two stages of the one Scientific
Revolution. They jointly ushered in the beginning of science in the
modern sense of the word: explanation through natural laws. Darwin's
theory of natural selection accounts for the "design" of organisms,
and for their wondrous diversity, as the result of natural processes,
the gradual accumulation of spontaneously arisen variations
(mutations) sorted out by natural selection. Which characteristics
will be selected depends on which variations happen to be present at a
given time in a given place. This in turn depends on the random
process of mutation as well as on the previous history of the
organisms. Mutation and selection have jointly driven the marvelous
process that, starting from microscopic organisms, has yielded
orchids, birds, and humans. The theory of evolution conveys chance and
necessity, randomness and determinism, jointly enmeshed in the stuff
of life. This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
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(see above link for full text)
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:10:27 AM |
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This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:10:17 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
or
A process that's not conscious cannot be creative nor can
it produce *creative, conscious beings*!
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:10:33 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:465ff9b9$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
or
A process that's not conscious cannot be creative nor can
it produce *creative, conscious beings*!
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
= *The Infinately, Conscious or Intelligent Fire* = *GOD*
*Amen*
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:10:26 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
or
A process that's not conscious cannot be creative nor can
it produce *creative, conscious beings*!
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
= *The Infinately, Conscious or Intelligent Fire* = *GOD*
*Consciousness begets Consciousness*
*Amen*
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer |
02 Jun 2007 02:23:03 AM |
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In article <465ff9b9$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
No.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
No. We are here as the result of billions of years of creative,
non-conscious natural processes. Live with it.
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
Gibberish.
*Amen*
Troll.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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| Title: To "Johac<" Re: Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer |
03 Jun 2007 04:10:26 AM |
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The Immature, "Gibberish" > Nincompoop Troll
Take your Black and Blue Tablets, Neatherthal!
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| User: "johac" |
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03 Jun 2007 11:51:00 PM |
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In article <46627462$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
The Immature, "Gibberish" > Nincompoop Troll
Take your Black and Blue Tablets, Neatherthal!
Sorry. I'm not interested in your trolls.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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01 Jun 2007 11:35:01 AM |
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On Jun 2, 2:10 am, "_//!!_//!!" <*The Ang...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
Actually, design can occur in the absence of a consciousness, given
sufficient time span and a process of blind replication and
selection. You need to read Daniel Dennet's _Darwin's Dangerous Idea_
where he explains it in full.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Yes, an unconcious creative process *can* proudce creative, concious
beings. See above.
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
Oh, horsepucky. Try getting an actual education, willya?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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01 Jun 2007 08:21:50 AM |
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On Jun 2, 2:10 am, "_//!!_//!!" <*The Ang...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
No it doesn't. Don't lightning strikes create wildfires? Doesn't the
rotation of the earth create night and day? Just to spell it out for
you, lightning is not conscious, and the earth is not conscious.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
I see you don't understand Einstein's equation either.
*Amen*
Whatever that means.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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01 Jun 2007 08:55:35 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:21:50 -0700, Neil Kelsey
<neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:10 am, "_//!!_//!!" <*The Ang...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
No it doesn't. Don't lightning strikes create wildfires? Doesn't the
rotation of the earth create night and day? Just to spell it out for
you, lightning is not conscious, and the earth is not conscious.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
In his case it is - all in the mind.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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01 Jun 2007 02:45:02 PM |
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[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:21:50 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
Depends... is she awake for it? :)
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You _LEND_ books? I require that borrowers leave hostages in
exchange.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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01 Jun 2007 02:48:30 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:45:02 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:21:50 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
Depends... is she awake for it? :)
Does she wear them?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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01 Jun 2007 03:33:41 PM |
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On Jun 1, 12:45 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:21:50 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
Depends... is she awake for it? :)
I knew I'd regret asking that question but I forged ahead anyway,
despite my doubts that old Punctuation Mark is at all familiar with
the subject.
Did you spend a lot of time in detention during your school years? :)
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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01 Jun 2007 08:30:02 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:33:41 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:45 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:21:50 -0700, Neil Kelsey wrote:
Whatever that means. Is sex a conscious process?
Depends... is she awake for it? :)
I knew I'd regret asking that question but I forged ahead anyway,
despite my doubts that old Punctuation Mark is at all familiar with
the subject.
Sex? Or consciousness?
Did you spend a lot of time in detention during your school years? :)
Did I spend a lot of time in school during my detention years, you mean? :)
Actually, I think I held the record at two schools. Also for most lines
assigned - something like 30,000 as I recall, in one instance alone.
I have issues with authority. :)
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Ripped the eyes out of anyone for eating fries lately, Dreck? -- JJH
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| User: "Sippuddin" |
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01 Jun 2007 10:07:54 AM |
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
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E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:20:17 AM |
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"Sippuddin" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
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E = MC = *GOD IS*
God Is
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:30:16 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Sippuddin" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
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E = MC = *GOD IS* =
*Energy/Matter IS* = can neither be Created nor Destroyed.
'The Creative Process' follows from that which can neither be
Created nor Destroyed
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 04:30:23 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Sippuddin" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
2
E = MC = *GOD IS* =
*Energy/Matter IS* = can neither be Created nor Destroyed.
'The Creation & Recreation Process' follows from that which
can neither be Created nor Destroyed 2
*GOD ( E = MC ) IS*
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02 Jun 2007 04:30:14 AM |
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"_//!!_//!!" <*The Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Sippuddin" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
2
E = MC = *GOD IS* =
*Energy/Matter IS* = can neither be Created nor Destroyed.
'The Creation & Recreation Process' follows from that which
can neither be Created nor Destroyed
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*GOD ( E = MC ) IS*
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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01 Jun 2007 10:34:15 AM |
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On Jun 2, 2:20 am, "_//!!_//!!" <*The Ang...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Sippuddin" <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
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E =3D MC =3D Conscious Energy =3D Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, God=AE, then who created God=
=AE?
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E =3D MC =3D *GOD IS*
Energy =3D unbound mass, and mass =3D bound energy. God has nothing to do
with it.
God Is
..=2E. a big dork who can't even be bothered to exist?
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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01 Jun 2007 02:45:02 PM |
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[snips]
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:20:17 +0100, _//!!_//!! wrote:
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E = MC = *GOD IS*
I'm trying to figure something out and maybe you can help me. Are you
simply a troll, or do you actually think the gibberish above means
something?
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If a person's personal religious beliefs are sacred, they should
not be peddled door-to-door like Girl Scout Cookies. - Marilyn Burge
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Jun 2007 06:59:32 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:45:02 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <vc96j4-3gf.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>
[snips]
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:20:17 +0100, _//!!_//!! wrote:
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E = MC = *GOD IS*
I'm trying to figure something out and maybe you can help me. Are you
simply a troll, or do you actually think the gibberish above means
something?
Quite likely both.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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01 Jun 2007 10:54:25 AM |
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In article <EtSdnZmiWuDQq_3bnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com>,
Sippuddin <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote:
_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
If every creative conscious being must have a creator and you believe
there might be a conscious creative being, GodŽ, then who created GodŽ?
Why not?
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| User: "Tokay Pino Gris" |
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01 Jun 2007 06:58:52 AM |
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_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Wrong. You should take a look at some of the things engineers are doing
these days....
Tokay
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In case of atomic attack, the federal ruling against prayer
in schools will be temporarily canceled.
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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02 Jun 2007 06:12:35 AM |
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"Tokay Pino Gris"
_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Wrong. You should take a look at some of the things engineers are doing
these days....
Tokay
Wrongo! Whatever engineering works you're referring to, it still takes a
*conscious engineer* to do it!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Jun 2007 07:40:18 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:58:52 +0200, Tokay Pino Gris
<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:
_//!!_//!! wrote:
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
Wrong. You should take a look at some of the things engineers are doing
these days....
The right salts, in the right concentration, in a little water,
creates some nice crystals. Since they can self-organize, who knows
whether, in half a billion years, they can't become organized enough
to reproduce with mutation.
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| User: "_//!!_//!! *The" |
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01 Jun 2007 02:20:11 PM |
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This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
2
E = MC = Conscious Energy = Conscious Matter Sq'd
*Amen*
PS
To "Johac" - 'Jealousy makes you Corrupt and Nasty',
Immature...Megalomanic Troll! Take your Black and
Blue Tablets, Neanderthal!
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Jun 2007 07:35:26 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:20:11 +0100, "_//!!_//!!" <*The
Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in alt.atheism
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
No, but your lack of education is showing.
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
It did. Sucks for you, oh barbarian wanker.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
Chaz Bufe, The American Heretics Dictionary
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09 Jun 2007 04:04:26 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:20:11 +0100, "_//!!_//!!" <*The
Angel*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in alt.atheism
Needle Corruption/Twist/Stink by "stoney" restored !
This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
The above argument is FLAWED.
No, but your lack of education is showing.
Your LACK of Intellect, Education, Upbringing 'and' Life is
showing!
A "creative process" needs consciousness to be creative.
An ~unconscious creative process~ CANNOT produce
*creative, conscious beings*!
It did. Sucks for you, oh barbarian wanker.
In a NUTshell................You SUCK..................Weaklink!
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
-Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic's Dictionary
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| Title: Re: Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer |
02 Jun 2007 02:16:09 AM |
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In article <ennv53h81t9h4n3jrn6qoh0ghv1qivk648@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer
Francisco J. Ayala*
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of
California, 321 Steinhaus Hall, Irvine, CA 92697
(Full text at)
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/suppl_1/8567
Darwin's greatest contribution to science is that he completed the
Copernican Revolution by drawing out for biology the notion of nature
as a system of matter in motion governed by natural laws. With
Darwin's discovery of natural selection, the origin and adaptations of
organisms were brought into the realm of science. The adaptive
features of organisms could now be explained, like the phenomena of
the inanimate world, as the result of natural processes, without
recourse to an Intelligent Designer. The Copernican and the Darwinian
Revolutions may be seen as the two stages of the one Scientific
Revolution. They jointly ushered in the beginning of science in the
modern sense of the word: explanation through natural laws. Darwin's
theory of natural selection accounts for the "design" of organisms,
and for their wondrous diversity, as the result of natural processes,
the gradual accumulation of spontaneously arisen variations
(mutations) sorted out by natural selection. Which characteristics
will be selected depends on which variations happen to be present at a
given time in a given place. This in turn depends on the random
process of mutation as well as on the previous history of the
organisms. Mutation and selection have jointly driven the marvelous
process that, starting from microscopic organisms, has yielded
orchids, birds, and humans. The theory of evolution conveys chance and
necessity, randomness and determinism, jointly enmeshed in the stuff
of life. This was Darwin's fundamental discovery, that there is a
process that is creative, although not conscious.
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(see above link for full text)
Nice find! Thanks.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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