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Darwin's Passion For Hunting And Killing |
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
One side of Darwin rarely discussed in popular and scientific
literature was his powerful sadistic bent. One of his passions that
reflected this was his love for shooting, hunting, and guns. Darwin's
interest in shooting and hunting was not unusual in nineteenth century
England, but he carried it far beyond that of most of his
contemporaries. Many people hunt for food and/or sport, then as well as
now, but wanton killing for its own sake can hardly be justified. With
Darwin it was an obsession which involved behavior that, at the least,
bor-dered on sadism.
Early hints of this dark side included Darwin's propensity to lie and
steal in order to create excitement and to get attention. In his own
words, "as a little boy I was much given to inventing deliberate
falsehoods, and this was always done for the sake of causing
excitement" (1958, p. 23). Darwin also admitted to stealing for the fun
of it (p. 24). A clearer example of his sadistic impulse was when, as a
young boy, Darwin "beat a puppy . . . simply from enjoying the sense of
power." He even admitted that he later felt much guilt over his
behavior, indicating that he knew his actions were wrong (p. 27). At
this time, he still had a strong faith in God, and this fact may partly
explain his guilt (p. 25).
Darwin's Sadistic Impulses
Although Darwin first learned to handle a gun before he was about 15,
it evidently did not become a passion until he killed his first animal.
His "passion for shooting, . . . would stay with him through all the
years of his formal schooling and some years beyond" (Gale, 1982, p.
9). Darwin loved killing so much that when he killed his first bird, he
literally trembled with excitement. His own words, recorded in his
biography, provide a vivid illustration of just how important killing
animals was to him:
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44,
emphasis mine).
He also wrote in his autobiography, "How I did enjoy shooting" (p. 55),
and "If there is bliss on earth, that is it" (quoted in Browne, p.
109). He even declared: "My zeal was so great that I used to place my
shooting boots open by my bed-side when I went to bed, so as not to
lose half-a-minute in putting them on in the morning" (p. 54).
By 1828, his ambitions for killing animals had outgrown his equipment.
He wanted a more powerful double-barrelled gun, and so petitioned his
father and sisters for the money to buy a new one. He threatened them
with dire consequences if he continued using his old gun, which he
claimed could, at any moment, "destroy the aforesaid Charles Darwin's
legs, arms, body & brains" (Browne, p. 110). He soon got his new gun,
which he later used as a student at Cambridge to practice. When he
could not be outside, he would practice shooting in his room! While at
Cambridge, he joined the "sporting set," and "did a good deal of
drinking, hunting, and riding" (Gale, p. 13).
Browne claimed that every summer and autumn of Darwin's youth, after
about 1826, was dedicated to killing birds and other animals.
Nonshooting months were passed by "studying handbooks about guns and in
writing down useful information about the diameter of shot" needed to
kill different animals (Browne, p. 110). Darwin gleaned numerous books,
such as Instructions for Young Sportsmen by an Old Sportsman, for their
advice to help him improve his already considerable skills in killing
animals. His "beloved shooting" came first in his life (Gale, p. 144).
His passion for hunting was so great that Darwin even had much
difficulty waiting until hunting season to stalk his prey. So he
weighed "the financial penalties for killing game out of season," and
he even considered ignoring the law since "no common person or
gamekeeper can demand your certificate without producing his own"
(Browne, p. 110). He was also very aware that he had an obsession with
shooting and killing animals, for he once said: "I must have been
half-consciously ashamed of my zeal, for I tried to persuade myself
that shooting was almost an intellectual employment" (p. 55).
His passion for shooting was well known and, as a young man, was
greater than for any other activity, although later in life his love
for science also became very important. Browne noted that:
The only object that could possibly have matched a microscope in
Darwin's affections at that time was a gun; and a gun he already had.
Shooting completely dominated those thoughts not given over to beetles
(p. 109).
Darwin admitted that shooting was for a long time even more important
than science:
I visited Barmouth to see some Cambridge friends who were reading
there, and thence returned to Shrewsbury and to Maer for shooting; for
at that time I should have thought myself mad to give up the first days
of partridge-shooting for geology or any other science (p. 71).
Darwin even compiled an elaborate system to accurately record his
numerous killings. His list was subdivided into partridges, hares, and
pheasants in order to keep a running total of "everything he killed
through the season" (Browne, p. 110). How important killing animals was
to him is also indicated by the following experience:
I kept an exact record of every bird which I shot throughout the whole
season. One day when shooting . . . I thought myself shamefully used,
for every time after I had fired and thought that I had killed a bird,
one of the two acted as if loading his gun and cried out, "You must not
count that bird, for I fired at the same time," and the gamekeeper
perceiving the joke, backed them up. After some hours they told me the
joke, but it was no joke to me for I had shot a large number of birds,
but did not know how many, and could not add them to my list. . . .
This my wicked friends had perceived (Darwin, p. 54).
Browne concluded that his sporting ledger was emotionally as important
to him as was shooting itself, indicating an obsession similar to a
murderer who notches his gun after each killing. Darwin's own father
saw his obsession as a problem. He once said that Charles cared "for
nothing but shooting, dogs, and rat-catching," and, as a result, he
"will be a disgrace" to himself and his entire family (Darwin, p. 28).
Even Darwin himself had regrets about spending so much time shooting as
a youth, but he never expressed any regrets for his sadistic behavior,
only his extreme obsession with it. According to Bowler (p. 39), Darwin
"developed a passion for shooting that was to survive into his
university days, to be repudiated eventually as useless slaughter." Of
course, it was not just useless slaughter, but much worse. One wonders
if this "passion" for killing and death might have played a part in
developing his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth-and-claw theory
of natural selection.
The attitude of Charles contrasts greatly with several members of his
family. His sister concluded it was not proper even to kill insects for
collections, and that "dead ones would have to do" (Desmond and Moore,
p. 16). Darwin acquiesced to her ideals, and concluded that it "was not
right to kill insects for the sake of making a collection" (Darwin, p.
45). Later, he ignored this ideal, and collected with abandon (p. 62).
Darwin's attitude toward killing for collections also contrasts with
that of certain renowned biologists. Professor August Forel said that
he was allowed, as a child, to collect only dead insects. Then in 1859
he was allowed to collect living specimens after his uncle, also an
entomologist, showed him how to kill the creatures painlessly (1937, p.
33).
Darwin claimed, regarding his father (even though he was a doctor), "To
the end of his life, the thought of an operation almost sickened him
and he could scarcely endure to see a person bled" (1958, p. 30). It is
interesting that Darwin sat in on two "bad oper-ations," one on a
child, but he walked out before they were completed, "this being long
before the blessed days of chloroform" (p. 48). He had no such qualms
about "stuffing birds," an area in which he took lessons to develop his
taxidermist skills (p. 51).
Darwin's behavior is ironic, in view of his complaint that God is
sadistic. In a letter to his friend, Professor Hooker, dated July 13,
1856, Darwin said in reference to pollen "in which nature seems to us
so clumsy & wasteful" that "What a book a Devil's chaplain might write
on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering low & horridly cruel works of
nature!" (Darwin, p. 1990, p. 178).
In another letter, this one sent to Asa Gray on May 22, 1860, Darwin
wrote that he could not believe in the Christian creator God because
there is so much misery in the world. The example he gave was:
I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have
designedly created the Ichneumonidae [parasitic insects] with the
express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of
caterpillars or that a cat should play with mice (Darwin, 1993, p.
224).
Some may see it as the height of irony that Darwin argued the Christian
God does not exist because Darwin thought He did the very same things
that Darwin himself enjoyed as a youth!
Conclusions
Darwin evidently suffered from an inordinant desire to kill animals for
most of his life, especially when he was a young man in the prime of
his life. Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from the
implications of this trait of Darwin's, indicating only that he liked
to hunt (hardly an accurate assessment of his behavior). One possible
reason why many writers avoid this topic is because Darwin is now
idolized by many scientists (and others) and wanton killing of animals
is not. Often listed as one of the greatest scientists of the
nineteenth century, if not the greatest scientist that ever lived,
Darwin is one of the few scientists known to most Americans. To
understand Darwin as a person and his motivations, though, one must
evaluate his almost pathological drive to kill, and consider how it may
have affected his conclusions about natural selection.
References
Bowler, Peter J. 1990. Charles Darwin; The Man and His Influence.
Cambridge, MA: Basil Blackwell.
Browne, Janet. 1995. Charles Darwin: Voyaging. Princeton, NJ: Princeton
University Press.
Darwin, Charles. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
New York: Norton. Autobiography. New York: W. W. Norton. Edited by Nora
Barlow.
_____ 1990. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Volume 6 1856-1857.
New York: Cambridge University Press. Edited by Frederick H. Burkhardt
and Sydney Smith.
_____ 1993. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Volume 8. New York:
Cambridge University Press. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt.
Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY. Warner Books.
Forel, August. 1937. Out of My Life and Work. New York: W. W. Norton.
Gale, Barry G. 1982. Evolution Without Evidence: Charles Darwin and The
Origin of Species. Albuquerque, NM: University of New Mexico Press.
* Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in
Ohio.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
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| User: "Woden" |
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14 Sep 2005 02:46:15 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1126726479.008073.80320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
Maybe you should find an article to steal on the "xian Passion for Lieing
and Stealing".
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu" |
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15 Sep 2005 01:13:37 AM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
Where did Bergman get his Doctorate, and what in? you have to wonder.
Darwin's passion for killing animals was a residual effect of his
Christian beliefs, you know, man's stewardship of the Earth etc.
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Cthulhu says "tortured souls are tough and taste rather sour. Be happy, die happy, make me a happy eater.
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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14 Sep 2005 03:18:03 PM |
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Ever hear of the elementary logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem?
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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14 Sep 2005 03:46:34 PM |
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"John Graeme" <jdgraeme@my-deja.com>:
Ever hear of the elementary logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem?
"wordsoftruth" is a propagandist or troll and does not appear
to read or answer any responses.
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| User: "JPG" |
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14 Sep 2005 03:29:48 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
So fucking what, an English gentleman of Darwin's social class in that
era would be quite happy to go out and shoot everything that moved,
much as the Royal Family do today.
Have you never heard of historical context - you know, like the one
that said it was ok to have slaves in the US South, for example.
For someone who has the gall and arrogance to call himself "words of
truth", you do display a remarkable inability to think beyond the
confines of your stupid religion.
Anyway, what the hell difference does it make to Darwin's theory, no
idiotic posturing by religious morons like you will make any
difference whatsoever to the correctness of the Theory of Evolution.
JPG
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| User: "george" |
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14 Sep 2005 03:46:07 PM |
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JPG wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
So fucking what, an English gentleman of Darwin's social class in that
era would be quite happy to go out and shoot everything that moved,
much as the Royal Family do today.
Have you never heard of historical context - you know, like the one
that said it was ok to have slaves in the US South, for example.
For someone who has the gall and arrogance to call himself "words of
truth", you do display a remarkable inability to think beyond the
confines of your stupid religion.
Anyway, what the hell difference does it make to Darwin's theory, no
idiotic posturing by religious morons like you will make any
difference whatsoever to the correctness of the Theory of Evolution.
That's what bugs the ***** out of the creationist.
Darwin and his fellows were correct.
There are millions of researchers, scientists and people in different
disciplines who go to work in fields that use the TOE every day.
Were there any errors these are the people who would find and correct
it not some gullible one book library bigot hiding out in newsgroups...
or those who brainwashed him into 'belief'
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| User: "satyr" |
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14 Sep 2005 04:52:48 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
Such a despicable, evil man and yet evolution is still true.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "WCB" |
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15 Sep 2005 07:02:49 AM |
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satyr wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
Such a despicable, evil man and yet evolution is still true.
I suppose it beats having a passionate fondness and zeal for
hunting witches or heretics.
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Sep 2005 08:03:18 AM |
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"WCB" <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11iins5l25rka64@corp.supernews.com...
satyr wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
Such a despicable, evil man and yet evolution is still true.
I suppose it beats having a passionate fondness and zeal for
hunting witches or heretics.
Eeeek! ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "raven1" |
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14 Sep 2005 03:52:59 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
One side of Darwin rarely discussed in popular and scientific
literature was his powerful sadistic bent. One of his passions that
reflected this was his love for shooting, hunting, and guns. Darwin's
interest in shooting and hunting was not unusual in nineteenth century
England, but he carried it far beyond that of most of his
contemporaries. Many people hunt for food and/or sport, then as well as
now, but wanton killing for its own sake can hardly be justified. With
Darwin it was an obsession which involved behavior that, at the least,
bor-dered on sadism.
Did your Argumentum ad Hominem have a point?
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Chris Krolczyk" |
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14 Sep 2005 07:02:38 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
(WoT's gibberish snipped)
Did your Argumentum ad Hominem have a point?
The guy he's quoting (from Answers in Genesis -
what a shock, eh?) isn't particularly trustworthy,
either; for more on Jerry Bergman, see
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bergman-and-racism.html
(irrelevant newsgroups snipped)
-Chris Krolczyk
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| User: "jcon" |
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15 Sep 2005 12:06:23 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Well, this is a first. A fundamentalist Christian criticizing
someone for being a gun nut.
-jc
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| User: "Iain" |
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14 Sep 2005 06:09:10 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
One side of Darwin rarely discussed in popular and scientific
literature was his powerful sadistic bent. One of his passions that
reflected this was his love for shooting, hunting, and guns. Darwin's
interest in shooting and hunting was not unusual in nineteenth century
England, but he carried it far beyond that of most of his
contemporaries. Many people hunt for food and/or sport, then as well as
now, but wanton killing for its own sake can hardly be justified. With
Darwin it was an obsession which involved behavior that, at the least,
bor-dered on sadism.
Early hints of this dark side included Darwin's propensity to lie and
steal in order to create excitement and to get attention. In his own
words, "as a little boy I was much given to inventing deliberate
falsehoods, and this was always done for the sake of causing
excitement" (1958, p. 23). Darwin also admitted to stealing for the fun
of it (p. 24). A clearer example of his sadistic impulse was when, as a
young boy, Darwin "beat a puppy . . . simply from enjoying the sense of
power." He even admitted that he later felt much guilt over his
behavior, indicating that he knew his actions were wrong (p. 27). At
this time, he still had a strong faith in God, and this fact may partly
explain his guilt (p. 25).
Darwin's Sadistic Impulses
Although Darwin first learned to handle a gun before he was about 15,
it evidently did not become a passion until he killed his first animal.
His "passion for shooting, . . . would stay with him through all the
years of his formal schooling and some years beyond" (Gale, 1982, p.
9). Darwin loved killing so much that when he killed his first bird, he
literally trembled with excitement. His own words, recorded in his
biography, provide a vivid illustration of just how important killing
animals was to him:
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44,
emphasis mine).
He also wrote in his autobiography, "How I did enjoy shooting" (p. 55),
and "If there is bliss on earth, that is it" (quoted in Browne, p.
109). He even declared: "My zeal was so great that I used to place my
shooting boots open by my bed-side when I went to bed, so as not to
lose half-a-minute in putting them on in the morning" (p. 54).
By 1828, his ambitions for killing animals had outgrown his equipment.
He wanted a more powerful double-barrelled gun, and so petitioned his
father and sisters for the money to buy a new one. He threatened them
with dire consequences if he continued using his old gun, which he
claimed could, at any moment, "destroy the aforesaid Charles Darwin's
legs, arms, body & brains" (Browne, p. 110). He soon got his new gun,
which he later used as a student at Cambridge to practice. When he
could not be outside, he would practice shooting in his room! While at
Cambridge, he joined the "sporting set," and "did a good deal of
drinking, hunting, and riding" (Gale, p. 13).
Browne claimed that every summer and autumn of Darwin's youth, after
about 1826, was dedicated to killing birds and other animals.
Nonshooting months were passed by "studying handbooks about guns and in
writing down useful information about the diameter of shot" needed to
kill different animals (Browne, p. 110). Darwin gleaned numerous books,
such as Instructions for Young Sportsmen by an Old Sportsman, for their
advice to help him improve his already considerable skills in killing
animals. His "beloved shooting" came first in his life (Gale, p. 144).
His passion for hunting was so great that Darwin even had much
difficulty waiting until hunting season to stalk his prey. So he
weighed "the financial penalties for killing game out of season," and
he even considered ignoring the law since "no common person or
gamekeeper can demand your certificate without producing his own"
(Browne, p. 110). He was also very aware that he had an obsession with
shooting and killing animals, for he once said: "I must have been
half-consciously ashamed of my zeal, for I tried to persuade myself
that shooting was almost an intellectual employment" (p. 55).
His passion for shooting was well known and, as a young man, was
greater than for any other activity, although later in life his love
for science also became very important. Browne noted that:
The only object that could possibly have matched a microscope in
Darwin's affections at that time was a gun; and a gun he already had.
Shooting completely dominated those thoughts not given over to beetles
(p. 109).
Darwin admitted that shooting was for a long time even more important
than science:
I visited Barmouth to see some Cambridge friends who were reading
there, and thence returned to Shrewsbury and to Maer for shooting; for
at that time I should have thought myself mad to give up the first days
of partridge-shooting for geology or any other science (p. 71).
Darwin even compiled an elaborate system to accurately record his
numerous killings. His list was subdivided into partridges, hares, and
pheasants in order to keep a running total of "everything he killed
through the season" (Browne, p. 110). How important killing animals was
to him is also indicated by the following experience:
I kept an exact record of every bird which I shot throughout the whole
season. One day when shooting . . . I thought myself shamefully used,
for every time after I had fired and thought that I had killed a bird,
one of the two acted as if loading his gun and cried out, "You must not
count that bird, for I fired at the same time," and the gamekeeper
perceiving the joke, backed them up. After some hours they told me the
joke, but it was no joke to me for I had shot a large number of birds,
but did not know how many, and could not add them to my list. . . .
This my wicked friends had perceived (Darwin, p. 54).
Browne concluded that his sporting ledger was emotionally as important
to him as was shooting itself, indicating an obsession similar to a
murderer who notches his gun after each killing. Darwin's own father
saw his obsession as a problem. He once said that Charles cared "for
nothing but shooting, dogs, and rat-catching," and, as a result, he
"will be a disgrace" to himself and his entire family (Darwin, p. 28).
Even Darwin himself had regrets about spending so much time shooting as
a youth, but he never expressed any regrets for his sadistic behavior,
only his extreme obsession with it. According to Bowler (p. 39), Darwin
"developed a passion for shooting that was to survive into his
university days, to be repudiated eventually as useless slaughter." Of
course, it was not just useless slaughter, but much worse. One wonders
if this "passion" for killing and death might have played a part in
developing his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth-and-claw theory
of natural selection.
The attitude of Charles contrasts greatly with several members of his
family. His sister concluded it was not proper even to kill insects for
collections, and that "dead ones would have to do" (Desmond and Moore,
p. 16). Darwin acquiesced to her ideals, and concluded that it "was not
right to kill insects for the sake of making a collection" (Darwin, p.
45). Later, he ignored this ideal, and collected with abandon (p. 62).
Darwin's attitude toward killing for collections also contrasts with
that of certain renowned biologists. Professor August Forel said that
he was allowed, as a child, to collect only dead insects. Then in 1859
he was allowed to collect living specimens after his uncle, also an
entomologist, showed him how to kill the creatures painlessly (1937, p.
33).
Darwin claimed, regarding his father (even though he was a doctor), "To
the end of his life, the thought of an operation almost sickened him
and he could scarcely endure to see a person bled" (1958, p. 30). It is
interesting that Darwin sat in on two "bad oper-ations," one on a
child, but he walked out before they were completed, "this being long
before the blessed days of chloroform" (p. 48). He had no such qualms
about "stuffing birds," an area in which he took lessons to develop his
taxidermist skills (p. 51).
Darwin's behavior is ironic, in view of his complaint that God is
sadistic. In a letter to his friend, Professor Hooker, dated July 13,
1856, Darwin said in reference to pollen "in which nature seems to us
so clumsy & wasteful" that "What a book a Devil's chaplain might write
on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering low & horridly cruel works of
nature!" (Darwin, p. 1990, p. 178).
In another letter, this one sent to Asa Gray on May 22, 1860, Darwin
wrote that he could not believe in the Christian creator God because
there is so much misery in the world. The example he gave was:
I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have
designedly created the Ichneumonidae [parasitic insects] with the
express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of
caterpillars or that a cat should play with mice (Darwin, 1993, p.
224).
Some may see it as the height of irony that Darwin argued the Christian
God does not exist because Darwin thought He did the very same things
that Darwin himself enjoyed as a youth!
Conclusions
Darwin evidently suffered from an inordinant desire to kill animals
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words of truth wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Abstract
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds.
One side of Darwin rarely discussed in popular and scientific
literature was his powerful sadistic bent. One of his passions that
reflected this was his love for shooting, hunting, and guns. Darwin's
interest in shooting and hunting was not unusual in nineteenth century
England, but he carried it far beyond that of most of his
contemporaries. Many people hunt for food and/or sport, then as well as
now, but wanton killing for its own sake can hardly be justified. With
Darwin it was an obsession which involved behavior that, at the least,
bor-dered on sadism.
Early hints of this dark side included Darwin's propensity to lie and
steal in order to create excitement and to get attention. In his own
words, "as a little boy I was much given to inventing deliberate
falsehoods, and this was always done for the sake of causing
excitement" (1958, p. 23). Darwin also admitted to stealing for the fun
of it (p. 24). A clearer example of his sadistic impulse was when, as a
young boy, Darwin "beat a puppy . . . simply from enjoying the sense of
power." He even admitted that he later felt much guilt over his
behavior, indicating that he knew his actions were wrong (p. 27). At
this time, he still had a strong faith in God, and this fact may partly
explain his guilt (p. 25).
Darwin's Sadistic Impulses
Although Darwin first learned to handle a gun before he was about 15,
it evidently did not become a passion until he killed his first animal.
His "passion for shooting, . . . would stay with him through all the
years of his formal schooling and some years beyond" (Gale, 1982, p.
9). Darwin loved killing so much that when he killed his first bird, he
literally trembled with excitement. His own words, recorded in his
biography, provide a vivid illustration of just how important killing
animals was to him:
In the latter part of my school life I became passionately fond of
shooting, and I do not believe that anyone could have shown more zeal
for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How well I
remember killing my first snipe, and my excitement was so great that I
had much difficulty in reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands.
This taste long continued and I became a very good shot (1958, p. 44,
emphasis mine).
He also wrote in his autobiography, "How I did enjoy shooting" (p. 55),
and "If there is bliss on earth, that is it" (quoted in Browne, p.
109). He even declared: "My zeal was so great that I used to place my
shooting boots open by my bed-side when I went to bed, so as not to
lose half-a-minute in putting them on in the morning" (p. 54).
By 1828, his ambitions for killing animals had outgrown his equipment.
He wanted a more powerful double-barrelled gun, and so petitioned his
father and sisters for the money to buy a new one. He threatened them
with dire consequences if he continued using his old gun, which he
claimed could, at any moment, "destroy the aforesaid Charles Darwin's
legs, arms, body & brains" (Browne, p. 110). He soon got his new gun,
which he later used as a student at Cambridge to practice. When he
could not be outside, he would practice shooting in his room! While at
Cambridge, he joined the "sporting set," and "did a good deal of
drinking, hunting, and riding" (Gale, p. 13).
Browne claimed that every summer and autumn of Darwin's youth, after
about 1826, was dedicated to killing birds and other animals.
Nonshooting months were passed by "studying handbooks about guns and in
writing down useful information about the diameter of shot" needed to
kill different animals (Browne, p. 110). Darwin gleaned numerous books,
such as Instructions for Young Sportsmen by an Old Sportsman, for their
advice to help him improve his already considerable skills in killing
animals. His "beloved shooting" came first in his life (Gale, p. 144).
His passion for hunting was so great that Darwin even had much
difficulty waiting until hunting season to stalk his prey. So he
weighed "the financial penalties for killing game out of season," and
he even considered ignoring the law since "no common person or
gamekeeper can demand your certificate without producing his own"
(Browne, p. 110). He was also very aware that he had an obsession with
shooting and killing animals, for he once said: "I must have been
half-consciously ashamed of my zeal, for I tried to persuade myself
that shooting was almost an intellectual employment" (p. 55).
His passion for shooting was well known and, as a young man, was
greater than for any other activity, although later in life his love
for science also became very important. Browne noted that:
The only object that could possibly have matched a microscope in
Darwin's affections at that time was a gun; and a gun he already had.
Shooting completely dominated those thoughts not given over to beetles
(p. 109).
Darwin admitted that shooting was for a long time even more important
than science:
I visited Barmouth to see some Cambridge friends who were reading
there, and thence returned to Shrewsbury and to Maer for shooting; for
at that time I should have thought myself mad to give up the first days
of partridge-shooting for geology or any other science (p. 71).
Darwin even compiled an elaborate system to accurately record his
numerous killings. His list was subdivided into partridges, hares, and
pheasants in order to keep a running total of "everything he killed
through the season" (Browne, p. 110). How important killing animals was
to him is also indicated by the following experience:
I kept an exact record of every bird which I shot throughout the whole
season. One day when shooting . . . I thought myself shamefully used,
for every time after I had fired and thought that I had killed a bird,
one of the two acted as if loading his gun and cried out, "You must not
count that bird, for I fired at the same time," and the gamekeeper
perceiving the joke, backed them up. After some hours they told me the
joke, but it was no joke to me for I had shot a large number of birds,
but did not know how many, and could not add them to my list. . . .
This my wicked friends had perceived (Darwin, p. 54).
Browne concluded that his sporting ledger was emotionally as important
to him as was shooting itself, indicating an obsession similar to a
murderer who notches his gun after each killing. Darwin's own father
saw his obsession as a problem. He once said that Charles cared "for
nothing but shooting, dogs, and rat-catching," and, as a result, he
"will be a disgrace" to himself and his entire family (Darwin, p. 28).
Even Darwin himself had regrets about spending so much time shooting as
a youth, but he never expressed any regrets for his sadistic behavior,
only his extreme obsession with it. According to Bowler (p. 39), Darwin
"developed a passion for shooting that was to survive into his
university days, to be repudiated eventually as useless slaughter." Of
course, it was not just useless slaughter, but much worse. One wonders
if this "passion" for killing and death might have played a part in
developing his ruthless "survival of the fittest" tooth-and-claw theory
of natural selection.
The attitude of Charles contrasts greatly with several members of his
family. His sister concluded it was not proper even to kill insects for
collections, and that "dead ones would have to do" (Desmond and Moore,
p. 16). Darwin acquiesced to her ideals, and concluded that it "was not
right to kill insects for the sake of making a collection" (Darwin, p.
45). Later, he ignored this ideal, and collected with abandon (p. 62).
Darwin's attitude toward killing for collections also contrasts with
that of certain renowned biologists. Professor August Forel said that
he was allowed, as a child, to collect only dead insects. Then in 1859
he was allowed to collect living specimens after his uncle, also an
entomologist, showed him how to kill the creatures painlessly (1937, p.
33).
Darwin claimed, regarding his father (even though he was a doctor), "To
the end of his life, the thought of an operation almost sickened him
and he could scarcely endure to see a person bled" (1958, p. 30). It is
interesting that Darwin sat in on two "bad oper-ations," one on a
child, but he walked out before they were completed, "this being long
before the blessed days of chloroform" (p. 48). He had no such qualms
about "stuffing birds," an area in which he took lessons to develop his
taxidermist skills (p. 51).
Darwin's behavior is ironic, in view of his complaint that God is
sadistic. In a letter to his friend, Professor Hooker, dated July 13,
1856, Darwin said in reference to pollen "in which nature seems to us
so clumsy & wasteful" that "What a book a Devil's chaplain might write
on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering low & horridly cruel works of
nature!" (Darwin, p. 1990, p. 178).
In another letter, this one sent to Asa Gray on May 22, 1860, Darwin
wrote that he could not believe in the Christian creator God because
there is so much misery in the world. The example he gave was:
I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have
designedly created the Ichneumonidae [parasitic insects] with the
express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of
caterpillars or that a cat should play with mice (Darwin, 1993, p.
224).
Some may see it as the height of irony that Darwin argued the Christian
God does not exist because Darwin thought He did the very same things
that Darwin himself enjoyed as a youth!
Conclusions
Darwin evidently suffered from an inordinant desire to kill animals for
most of his life, especially when he was a young man in the prime of
his life. Unfortunately, most writers have shied away from the
implications of this trait of Darwin's, indicating only that he liked
to hunt (hardly an accurate assessment of his behavior). One possible
reason why many writers avoid this topic is because Darwin is now
idolized by many scientists (and others) and wanton killing of animals
is not. Often listed as one of the greatest scientists of the
nineteenth century, if not the greatest scientist that ever lived,
Darwin is one of the few scientists known to most Americans. To
understand Darwin as a person and his motivations, though, one must
evaluate his almost pathological drive to kill, and consider how it may
have affected his conclusions about natural selection.
References
Bowler, Peter J. 1990. Charles Darwin; The Man and His Influence.
Cambridge, MA: Basil Blackwell.
Browne, Janet. 1995. Charles Darwin: Voyaging. Princeton, NJ: Princeton
University Press.
Darwin, Charles. 1958. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
New York: Norton. Autobiography. New York: W. W. Norton. Edited by Nora
Barlow.
_____ 1990. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Volume 6 1856-1857.
New York: Cambridge University Press. Edited by Frederick H. Burkhardt
and Sydney Smith.
_____ 1993. The Correspondence of Charles Darwin. Volume 8. New York:
Cambridge University Press. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt.
Desmond, Adrian and James Moore. 1991. Darwin: The life of a Tormented
Evolutionist. NY. Warner Books.
Forel, August. 1937. Out of My Life and Work. New York: W. W. Norton.
Gale, Barry G. 1982. Evolution Without Evidence: Charles Darwin and The
Origin of Species. Albuquerque, NM: University of New Mexico Press.
* Dr. Bergman is on the Biology faculty at Northwest State College in
Ohio.
Adolf Hitler was an animal lover and he banned hunting in the Third Reich in 1936. He was squeamish at the sight of blood and mostly vegetarian.
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words of truth wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1511
Just supposing you found evidence that Isaac Newton was a child
molester, minion of the Dark Lord, and a Chelsea supporter, would that
invalidate gravity and would we all fly off into space?
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words of truth wrote:
Darwin's Passion for Hunting and Killing
Absolutely normal for a gentleman of his
day, and completely irrelevant to the
validity of his theory. When are you
going to get it through your head that
the theory matters, not the theory's
famous early proponent? It literally
wouldn't matter if Charles Darwin was
a serial dolphin rapist who talked loudly
at the theater and undertipped his waiter,
as long as his theory proved useful.
Ach, I'm wasting my time here...words_of_babble
never responds to anything, he just pastes
and pastes and pastes away.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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