Religions > Atheism > Dave Silverman to be on MSNBC Scarborough Country Wednesday
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"Larry Mundinger" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:54:54 PM |
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Dave Silverman to be on MSNBC Scarborough Country Wednesday |
He will be replying to a comment Bush made something like; "Only people of
faith can be considered to hold a public office"
Check local listings.
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Larry Mundinger (aa#451)
American Atheists Internet Representative <irep @ atheists.org>
<http://www.atheists.org/> <http://www.americanatheist.org/>
<http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Dave Silverman to be on MSNBC Scarborough Country Wednesday |
14 Jan 2005 05:00:59 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak an
act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be happy
to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps.
www.godhatesfags.com
That *****.
I also don't know if Christians police themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the time.
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Dave Silverman to be on MSNBC Scarborough Country Wednesday |
14 Jan 2005 05:25:21 PM |
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"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak an
act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy
to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps.
www.godhatesfags.com
That *****.
Maybe this brother is tempted that way himself and is trying to work up an
aversion to protect himself.
The 'methinks the lady doth protest too much' idea.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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14 Jan 2005 11:49:46 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the
alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps.
www.godhatesfags.com
That *****.
I also don't know if Christians police themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all
the time.
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
Sure I do. You don't realize how many things I don't post that I want to
post.
Maybe you missed the thread, but I invited Tom McDonald to mentor me
regarding my usenet posting because I thought he may be able to point some
important things out to me. This is called policing.
Regards,
Jason
Don
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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15 Jan 2005 07:46:57 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:49:46 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the
alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps.
www.godhatesfags.com
That *****.
I also don't know if Christians police themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all
the time.
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
Sure I do.
No you don't. You specifically stated that you came to
alt.atheism to preach, which is a violation of the charter of
alt.atheism. Ergo, you didn't police yourself.
You also don't police yourself by preaching indiscriminately.
Jesus commanded his disciples to preach SOLELY AND ONLY TO THE JEWS
(Matt 10:1-6). Yet you preach to gentiles.
You don't realize how many things I don't post that I want to
post.
Maybe you don't realize that you preach in a place that has in
its charter a "no preaching" clause.
Maybe you don't realize how many times you lie.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "David" |
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15 Jan 2005 04:39:08 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
< snip >
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
Sure I do. You don't realize how many things I don't post that I
want to
post.
Maybe you missed the thread, but I invited Tom McDonald to mentor me
regarding my usenet posting because I thought he may be able to point
some
important things out to me. This is called policing.
No, Jason, it's called RHETORIC.
Two words: Frank Pericope.
Your history and behavior give no reason to believe that you would
truly accept the mentoring of ANYONE.
< snip >
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:12:01 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:49:46 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Don Kresch wrote:
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
Sure I do.
Links to posts in which you've told other Christians that they
shouldn't say what they said?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 06:41:56 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:00:59 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> said in alt.atheism:
In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the time.
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
I doubt that Jason is the kind of person he's talking about.
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stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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14 Jan 2005 09:14:52 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:41:56 GMT, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:00:59 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> said in alt.atheism:
In alt.atheism on Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the time.
Yet you don't police yourself. So your argument is dishonest.
I doubt that Jason is the kind of person he's talking about.
Sorta like J.R. "BOB" Dobbs' famous saying: "I don't have to
practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm
preaching to."
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:10:53 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:14:52 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> said in alt.atheism:
In alt.atheism on Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:41:56 GMT, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
I doubt that Jason is the kind of person he's talking about.
Sorta like J.R. "BOB" Dobbs' famous saying: "I don't have to
practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm
preaching to."
Exactly!
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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "David" |
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14 Jan 2005 02:47:49 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
< snip >
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
Al and I seem to be part of a fairly exclusive group here.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife.
What more authority could you need, Jason?
< snip >
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism
FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police
themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the
time.
Given that you are not above lying about your "life experience," Jason,
why should anyone believe you?
< snip >
The Christian threat? Sorry, Jason, you can't scare someone who's
been there with tales about what he'll find when he gets there.
And
trying to do so when you *haven't* been there just makes you sound
like a little child. You'd do much better to listen to those who
HAVE
been there.
Once again, I don't think you're any authority on the afterlife. If
you
are, then write a book about it and let the world read it.
It doesn't surprise me, Jason, to read that you seem to think that one
must write a book to be an authority.
But the fact is that lots of people write books and they have no idea
what they're writing about when they write their books.
Your own e-book is an excellent example of that.
< snip >
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 06:41:01 PM |
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On 14 Jan 2005 12:47:49 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the time.
Given that you are not above lying about your "life experience," Jason,
why should anyone believe you?
Especially since we see absolutely no actual evidence (other than
Jason's assertion) of any Christians policing themselves.
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type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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14 Jan 2005 11:31:04 PM |
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In article <5ipgu0hqe6fv0b6duvurqa99dfmqqb3asp@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> declared...
On 14 Jan 2005 12:47:49 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the time.
Given that you are not above lying about your "life experience," Jason,
why should anyone believe you?
Especially since we see absolutely no actual evidence (other than
Jason's assertion) of any Christians policing themselves.
Oh come on. The examples are obvious:
1. The Pope stopped Hitler from killing the Jews
2. The Pope forbade war mongers, in the middle ages, from
invading the holy lands and killing moslems
3. Puritans in colonial Massachusetts intervened to prevent the
hanging of suspected witches
4. Southern Baptists argued that slavery was unjust and immoral.
This led to the elimination of slavery in the U.S. and probably
averted a Civil War
5. When atheists wanted to jail Galileo for daring to suggest
that the sun was the center of the solar system, christians stood
up for him and helped preserve his freedom
6. Opportunistic preachers would con their flock out of their
money with faked faith healings and glitzy television shows, if
their fellow christians were not adamant in their stand against
such abuses of power.
7. etc., etc., etc.
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Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:10:23 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:31:04 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
said in alt.atheism:
Especially since we see absolutely no actual evidence (other than
Jason's assertion) of any Christians policing themselves.
Oh come on. The examples are obvious:
1. The Pope stopped Hitler from killing the Jews
2. The Pope forbade war mongers, in the middle ages, from
invading the holy lands and killing moslems
3. Puritans in colonial Massachusetts intervened to prevent the
hanging of suspected witches
4. Southern Baptists argued that slavery was unjust and immoral.
This led to the elimination of slavery in the U.S. and probably
averted a Civil War
5. When atheists wanted to jail Galileo for daring to suggest
that the sun was the center of the solar system, christians stood
up for him and helped preserve his freedom
6. Opportunistic preachers would con their flock out of their
money with faked faith healings and glitzy television shows, if
their fellow christians were not adamant in their stand against
such abuses of power.
7. etc., etc., etc.
Turtledove might like to borrow some of those. :)
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| User: "David D." |
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14 Jan 2005 02:36:08 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
<noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an
act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy
to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts
in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the alt.atheism
FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police
themselves
in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all the
time.
and trying to behave in a righteous
manner. Of course, this involves the words we speak. It's too
bad
that the non-Christians in this newsgroup have no sense of this.
It's too bad that Christians posting to alt.atheism don't either.
My parents would tell me that I can always find someone doing worse
than me
and set the bar very low, but why? Is this what you're trying to do?
Find
someone who you think is worse than you, so you don't have to do
right?
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th
at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness.
You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that I'm a sinner
saved by
God's grace. And you can find many links that repeat this claim of
mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective morality.
Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective opinion of
the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying that
only gods can be objective?
David
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14 Jan 2005 02:50:06 PM |
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David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the
alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police
themselves in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all
the time.
and trying to behave in a righteous
manner. Of course, this involves the words we speak. It's too bad
that the non-Christians in this newsgroup have no sense of this.
It's too bad that Christians posting to alt.atheism don't either.
My parents would tell me that I can always find someone doing worse
than me and set the bar very low, but why? Is this what you're
trying to do? Find someone who you think is worse than you, so you
don't have to do right?
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness. You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that
I'm a sinner saved by God's grace. And you can find many links that
repeat this claim of mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective
morality. Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective
opinion of the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying that
only gods can be objective?
David
David,
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved by His
perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They are NOT saved by
their morality or good works.
On the contrary, atheists do not admit their sins to God. Many atheists
(like Dan Barker, for instance) say there is no such thing as sin.
Now, besides God, who really claims to have the moral high ground? I say it
is the atheist who claims they have no sin (or that sin does not exist) and
it is not the Christian who admits their sinfulness.
Regards,
Jason
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http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
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bondage."
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David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and you
wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd be
happy to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the
alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police
themselves in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all
the time.
and trying to behave in a righteous
manner. Of course, this involves the words we speak. It's too bad
that the non-Christians in this newsgroup have no sense of this.
It's too bad that Christians posting to alt.atheism don't either.
My parents would tell me that I can always find someone doing worse
than me and set the bar very low, but why? Is this what you're
trying to do? Find someone who you think is worse than you, so you
don't have to do right?
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness. You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that
I'm a sinner saved by God's grace. And you can find many links that
repeat this claim of mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective
morality. Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective
opinion of the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying that
only gods can be objective?
David
David,
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved by His
perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They are NOT saved
by
their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
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14 Jan 2005 11:47:56 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2gWFd.53290$Ew6.24754@twister.socal.rr.com...
David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:32:40 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
<noway@jose.com> said in alt.atheism:
Get ready to meet your Maker, Mark. You cannot put Him in a
killfile.
That desperate already?
<plonk>
If you would only tell people like Mark that they shouldn't speak
an act as they do, you wouldn't see reactions like Davey's and
you wouldn't "have" to plonk anyone.
I plonk almost anyone who resorts to the Christian threat.
Did Davey know this before you plonked him?
I've been
dead, so I know the person is merely blowing smoke and has nothing
interesting to say.
I don't think you're an authority on the afterlife. However, I'd
be happy to hear about this experience of yours. What happened?
Chistians are always policing themselves
*****. Post the sites "policing" Fred Phelps. Post links to
posts in alt.atheism "policing" Christians who violate the
alt.atheism FAQ.
I don't know Fred Phelps. I also don't know if Christians police
themselves in alt.atheism. These are merely two examples, though.
In my life experience with Christians, they police themselves all
the time.
and trying to behave in a righteous
manner. Of course, this involves the words we speak. It's too
bad that the non-Christians in this newsgroup have no sense of
this.
It's too bad that Christians posting to alt.atheism don't either.
My parents would tell me that I can always find someone doing worse
than me and set the bar very low, but why? Is this what you're
trying to do? Find someone who you think is worse than you, so you
don't have to do right?
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness. You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that
I'm a sinner saved by God's grace. And you can find many links
that repeat this claim of mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and
trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective
morality. Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective
opinion of the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying
that only gods can be objective?
David
David,
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and
just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
Amen. Quite a beautiful God we serve, brother.
Sincerely,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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15 Jan 2005 04:37:34 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
< snip >
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and
just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
Amen. Quite a beautiful God we serve, brother.
No, Jason, neither you nor Davey truly serve God.
You serve your egos - it's YOUR very flawed VIEW of God that you serve.
You, particularly.
< snip >
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15 Jan 2005 05:35:22 AM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
< snip >
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and
just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
Amen. Quite a beautiful God we serve, brother.
No, Jason, neither you nor Davey truly serve God.
You serve your egos <snip>
It's true that pride and egoism intrudes on everything I do. What to do
about it?
It says in that massive Psalm with all the letters of the Hebrew alphabet
"wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking thought thereto
according to Thy word"
That means I suppose being aware - continually aware of the existence and
power of my pride, and trying to apply as much Bible as I can learn to it,
and taking to make myself grow smaller, and Christ grow bigger in me.
Uncle Davey
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15 Jan 2005 05:42:08 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105785454.873923.125120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
< snip >
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate
it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy,
and
just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are
saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross.
They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
Amen. Quite a beautiful God we serve, brother.
No, Jason, neither you nor Davey truly serve God.
You serve your egos <snip>
It's true that pride and egoism intrudes on everything I do. What to
do
about it?
It says in that massive Psalm with all the letters of the Hebrew
alphabet
"wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking thought
thereto
according to Thy word"
That means I suppose being aware - continually aware of the existence
and
power of my pride, and trying to apply as much Bible as I can learn
to it,
and taking to make myself grow smaller, and Christ grow bigger in me.
How have you put it, Davey?
"Whoosh?"
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15 Jan 2005 06:30:57 AM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105789328.474662.289690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105785454.873923.125120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
< snip >
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate
it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy,
and
just.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are
saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross.
They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Amen.
Glory to God.
Uncle Davey
Amen. Quite a beautiful God we serve, brother.
No, Jason, neither you nor Davey truly serve God.
You serve your egos <snip>
It's true that pride and egoism intrudes on everything I do. What to
do
about it?
It says in that massive Psalm with all the letters of the Hebrew
alphabet
"wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking thought
thereto
according to Thy word"
That means I suppose being aware - continually aware of the existence
and
power of my pride, and trying to apply as much Bible as I can learn
to it,
and taking to make myself grow smaller, and Christ grow bigger in me.
How have you put it, Davey?
"Whoosh?"
Unwhoosh me, then.
Uncle Davey
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14 Jan 2005 03:21:41 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and
nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness. You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that
I'm a sinner saved by God's grace. And you can find many links
that
repeat this claim of mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and
trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective
morality. Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective
opinion of the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying
that
only gods can be objective?
David
David,
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and
just.
I understand your rationale but by saying only God is objective that
implies that only followers of God know of morals and hence they have
the moral high ground.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved by
His
perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They are NOT
saved by
their morality or good works.
Well that clarifies it a bit and explains all the less than worthy
Christians out there. I thought they were lost sheep but i suppose
they can be that way as long as they confess.
On the contrary, atheists do not admit their sins to God. Many
atheists
(like Dan Barker, for instance) say there is no such thing as sin.
Now, besides God, who really claims to have the moral high ground? I
say it
is the atheist who claims they have no sin (or that sin does not
exist) and
it is not the Christian who admits their sinfulness.
Sin is by definition a religious concept but that does not mean there
are not analogous checks and balances for an atheist. I am not familiar
with Dan Barkers position. Does he ever mention breaking secular laws
as being an alternative to, or equivalent of, sins?
david
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14 Jan 2005 03:34:12 PM |
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David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
David D. wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:22 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
Unbelievers can curse like they're in a bar room brawl and nobody
says a word.
Because we don't claim the moral high ground - you do.
Post the link where I say: "I claim the moral high ground" or
anything to th at effect.
On the contrary, you claim the moral high ground and I claim
sinfulness. You claim there is no such thing as sin! I claim that
I'm a sinner saved by God's grace. And you can find many links
that repeat this claim of mine.
Jason, you wrote the words below:
Some atheists are good people and some are not. However, being good
isn't good enough to the source of objective morality. He has given
us His laws and requirements and He desires our repentance and
trust.
The atheist cannot point to any non-human source of objective
morality. Therefore, their morality must be based on the subjective
opinion of the human or humans in their society.
End quote
That certainly sounds like the moral high ground. Are you saying
that only gods can be objective?
David
David,
I thought my point was clear. If it wasn't, then I'll restate it.
God holds the moral high ground. He alone is perfect, holy, and
just.
I understand your rationale but by saying only God is objective that
implies that only followers of God know of morals and hence they have
the moral high ground.
Theoretically, an atheist could follow God's laws better than a Christian.
Following God's laws isn't a way to get saved, though.
I suppose the phrase "moral high ground" should be defined. Nonetheless, I
think the one who claims to be without sin thinks they are awfully moral.
Ironically, it is the Christian who admits their sin and the atheist who
does not.
Generally, Christians are far more concerned with obeying God's laws and
admitting their sins to Him than unbelievers are. If they do follow His
law, then they are righteous. However, righteousness for a human is a state
of being and that state can change.
Christians are people who admit their sins to God. They are saved
by His perfection, by Jesus' perfect sacrifice on the cross. They
are NOT saved by their morality or good works.
Well that clarifies it a bit and explains all the less than worthy
Christians out there.
All Christians are less than worthy. We are saved by God's grace. Atheists
are less than worthy as well. Being less than worthy is something we share
as humans.
I thought they were lost sheep but i suppose
they can be that way as long as they confess.
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
On the contrary, atheists do not admit their sins to God. Many
atheists (like Dan Barker, for instance) say there is no such thing
as sin.
Now, besides God, who really claims to have the moral high ground?
I say it is the atheist who claims they have no sin (or that sin
does not exist) and it is not the Christian who admits their
sinfulness.
Sin is by definition a religious concept but that does not mean there
are not analogous checks and balances for an atheist. I am not
familiar with Dan Barkers position. Does he ever mention breaking
secular laws as being an alternative to, or equivalent of, sins?
david
I'm not sure what Dan thinks about secular laws. He doesn't believe in sin,
though.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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14 Jan 2005 11:04:01 PM |
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In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
--
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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15 Jan 2005 03:48:01 AM |
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"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c526039fbae0f68989691@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
I will admit you are quite good at sarcasm.
Did you learn it from your parents or in college or maybe from a business
mentor?
Uncle Davey
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15 Jan 2005 11:43:57 AM |
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In article <csaosn$pil$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> declared...
"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c526039fbae0f68989691@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
I will admit you are quite good at sarcasm.
Thank you. I aims to please.
Did you learn it from your parents or in college or maybe from a business
mentor?
Just innate, god-given ability.
--
Greg
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14 Jan 2005 11:46:54 PM |
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Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
Can you please give me the New Testament scripture that teaches us to
remember the Sabbath and keep it holy?
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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15 Jan 2005 07:44:27 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:46:54 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
Can you please give me the New Testament scripture that teaches us to
remember the Sabbath and keep it holy?
It's in the OT. Part of the 10 demandments (Ex 20:8). You
know--the ones that a lot of xers want to be posted in courtrooms? And
if the OT is no longer in effect, then why the uproar over the 10
demandments such that if you ever post that the 10 demandments should
be in courtrooms then you will just further your own hypocrisy.
Then there's the fact that jesus said to keep all the laws, don't
change a word, and that he didn't come to abolish the law and the
prophets. So the OT is still in effect, per jesus' command.
Or are you too stupid to grasp that?
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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15 Jan 2005 02:23:35 AM |
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In article <i72Gd.53481$Ew6.22162@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
Can you please give me the New Testament scripture that teaches us to
remember the Sabbath and keep it holy?
I'm not aware of one.
It's kind of funny. Most christians would count the ten
commandments as some of god's most important rules. I'm glad to
see you don't.
So, are you throwing out the rest of the old testament too? Will
you soon be renouncing YEC?
--
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:04:01 -0600, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below> wrote:
In article <oVWFd.53298$Ew6.41029@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
The people who follow God's laws enjoy more success, happiness, and
blessings. This is usually seen directly in the Christian's life.
Thank you for explaining this Jason. I was wondering why
professional athletes, such as baseball players and football
players, had such a low level of financial success. It's because
they're breaking the commandment to remember the sabbath and keep
it holy.
yeah... that's the ticket. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with
having more braun than brains.
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