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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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22 Feb 2006 10:52:19 PM |
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David Irving gets 3 years, Holocaust Denier |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/21/wirving21.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/21/ixnewstop..html
Long time Jewish Holocaust Denier David Irving is sentenced to three
years for the audacity of being a frocking right-wing extremist kook.
As disgusting as his religion-driven ideologies are, it should not
be a crime to hate. In fact, if it were, most Christians would be in
prison for their abject hatred of gays.
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George W. Bush _is_ a Christian. Get over it!
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: David Irving gets 3 years, Holocaust Denier |
10 Mar 2006 06:12:18 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:56:45 GMT, in alt.atheism ,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) in
<1211u0p10dvrv92@corp.supernews.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Try again, rightard:
Tell you what, Chriostofascist, when you hate filled homophobic bigots
stop demonizing gays and denying them equal rights under the law, and
when you Christofascist baby killing terrorist mother fuckers stop
invading innocent countries and supporting other terrorist nations,
I'll have no reason or cause to point out what Christianity stands for.
Until then, why don't you god damned fucking terrorist mother fuckers
go off somewhere and kill your religious selves and leave your
intellectual and moral superiors out of your god damned religious hate?
Why, you official loon?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: David Irving gets 3 years, Holocaust Denier |
11 Mar 2006 03:52:22 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Try again, rightard:
Tell you what, Chriostofascist, when you hate filled homophobic bigots
stop demonizing gays and denying them equal rights under the law, and
when you Christofascist baby killing terrorist mother fuckers stop
invading innocent countries and supporting other terrorist nations,
I'll have no reason or cause to point out what Christianity stands for.
Until then, why don't you god damned fucking terrorist mother fuckers
go off somewhere and kill your religious selves and leave your
intellectual and moral superiors out of your god damned religious hate?
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"After all, if [Republicans] lose the woman-hater vote, what are they left
with? Just the racists and the homophobes." http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27570
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"The country is on a high state of alert. For all I know, you could be al-Qaida."
-- Quote from the Advantage Sales and Marketing, Inc. (949)797-2900
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: David Irving gets 3 years, Holocaust Denier |
12 Mar 2006 01:00:39 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Try again, rightard:
Tell you what, Chriostofascist, when you hate filled homophobic bigots
stop demonizing gays and denying them equal rights under the law, and
when you Christofascist baby killing terrorist mother fuckers stop
invading innocent countries and supporting other terrorist nations,
I'll have no reason or cause to point out what Christianity stands for.
Until then, why don't you god damned fucking terrorist mother fuckers
go off somewhere and kill your religious selves and leave your
intellectual and moral superiors out of your god damned religious hate?
---
"After all, if [Republicans] lose the woman-hater vote, what are they left
with? Just the racists and the homophobes." http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27570
---
"The country is on a high state of alert. For all I know, you could be al-Qaida."
-- Quote from the Advantage Sales and Marketing, Inc. (949)797-2900
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: David Irving gets 3 years, Holocaust Denier |
15 Mar 2006 08:23:01 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Try again, rightard:
Tell you what, Chriostofascist, when you hate filled homophobic bigots
stop demonizing gays and denying them equal rights under the law, and
when you Christofascist baby killing terrorist mother fuckers stop
invading innocent countries and supporting other terrorist nations,
I'll have no reason or cause to point out what Christianity stands for.
Until then, why don't you god damned fucking terrorist mother fuckers
go off somewhere and kill your religious selves and leave your
intellectual and moral superiors out of your god damned religious hate?
---
The Bush Regime: "A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be
the first against the wall when the revolution comes."
---
SCOTT MCCLELLAN - arrested for lewd behavior after witnesses report him
masturbating in a movie theatre during "Brokeback Mountain."
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| User: " torresD" |
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| Title: Denial is not a reason for arrest |
26 Feb 2006 05:30:13 PM |
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/687099.html
One of the important lessons is that
racism is racism whether it is directed
against Jews and expressed in their
systematic destruction or whether it
is directed against Palestinians and
expressed in their ruthless imprisonment
in their own villages behind fences and walls.
Ignoring this lesson is also
a form of Holocaust denial,
with far graver and ruthless
consequences than another
lecture by Irving.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/687099.html
Last update - 08:52 26/02/2006 (131)
Denial is not a reason for arrest
By Gideon Levy
Words do not kill.
So there is no statement for which it is
permissible to send a person to prison.
Freedom of speech is absolute,
even when that which is spoken is
as despicable and ridiculous as
Holocaust denial.
Those who start to doubt that
principle will not know where
to stop.
Is denial of the Jewish Holocaust
deserving of punishment while denial
of the Armenian Holocaust,
perpetrated by the Turks, is not?
And why not?
Because "only" a million and
a half people were destroyed
there?
And what about the world's racist
indifference to the destruction of
a million Tutsi in Rwanda or the
mass murder of 4 million people
in the Congo?
After all,
the world ignores those holocausts even
if it does not deny their existence explicitly,
and nobody thinks about punishing
someone for that outrageous apathy
and indifference.
The Danish cartoons,
which also hurt millions of people,
are not deserving of punishment and
neither is the denial of the criminal
activities of Israel in the territories,
even if they are incomparable,
of course, to any holocaust.
The Jews had a Holocaust,
it was the most horrifying crime
in the history of mankind,
there is nothing similar to it in its evil,
and those who dare deny this deserve to be
made pariahs,
excommunicated
and boycotted,
even expelled,
but not and never jailed.
British historian David Irving delivered
two insignificantly marginal lectures in
Austria in 1989.
In November he told an
audience of 300 that
gathered in a small
auditorium in Luben
that Hitler never ordered
the destruction of the Jews;
in a back room in a Viennese
pub he claimed a few days later
that "Auschwitz was a legend."
This demonic curiosity
should have been ignored.
It's pathetic, shocking, crazed
and particularly severe when such
things are told to Austrians,
but under no circumstances does
that make them worthy of arrest.
At an international conference
in Brussels a few weeks ago I
heard some of the disciples of
the various conspiracies about
how the Mossad was responsible
for the terror attacks on the
Twin Towers.
So what?
Should those fruitcakes be
locked up for what they said?
Will Irving and his handful of
followers stop believing in his
doctrines because he's been thrown
in jail?
Did the Prisoners of Zion stop
believing in Zionism because
they were locked up?
Or the followers of the
Falun Gong movement in China?
Locking up Irving won't
bring an end to the ugly -
but let's face it, marginal -
wave of Holocaust denial,
in an era when there is
unprecedented commemoration
of the Holocaust.
In the U.S.,
where the principle of freedom of speech
is sanctified and therefore there is no
law against Holocaust denial,
the issue of the Holocaust only
grows in its interest to the public.
There is practically no important
city in America without a museum
about the Holocaust.
The fact that Irving was
sent to prison by Austria,
perhaps one of the greatest
of the deniers of the Holocaust,
is one of the ironies of history.
For years,
Austria denied any responsibility
for the destruction committed by
its own son, Adolf Hitler,
and the man who grew up in Austria,
Adolf Eichmann.
Austria,
whose people welcomed Hitler with cheers,
refused for years to pay
compensation to its victims.
Only in recent years has it
retreated a bit from that position,
after it felt it paid a heavy political
price for its behavior after the war,
when it became an international outcast
in the wake of the election to the
presidency of Kurt Waldheim,
who had a Nazi past,
and the success of
the racist Jurg Haider.
Now Austria is sending Irving
to a spectacular prison sentence,
both because that's what the Austrian
law calls for but also to minimize
the damage done in the past and to
please the world and Israel,
which was behind the
pressure to boycott it.
But are the Austrians themselves
convinced their court did justice,
or do many of them regard
the sentence as just another
surrender to the Jews and Zionism?
And the question should also be
asked why it is so important for
Israel to chase after every
Holocaust denier,
when it is such a small cult,
particularly when the world is
honoring the memory of the Holocaust
with ever more anniversaries,
monuments, etc.
Is our confidence in our
righteousness so shaken?
Israel's right to exist,
as a birthright of the Holocaust,
is stronger than all its deniers,
including the president of Iran.
Israel must not try to win petty
profits from the memory of the
Holocaust,
and it should not use it over
and over for emotional blackmail,
as it has done for years.
Israel has the right and duty to
lead the world's campaign against
racism and anti-Semitism,
but it must take care to avoid
any manipulation in the spirit
of Golda Meir's terrible comments
to Shulamit Aloni,
"After the Holocaust,
Jews are allowed to do anything."
Instead of fighting Holocaust deniers,
we should focus on learning the proper
lessons from them.
One of the important lessons is that
racism is racism whether it is directed
against Jews and expressed in their
systematic destruction or whether it
is directed against Palestinians and
expressed in their ruthless imprisonment
in their own villages behind fences and walls.
Ignoring this lesson is also
a form of Holocaust denial,
with far graver and ruthless
consequences than another
lecture by Irving.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Denial is not a reason for arrest |
26 Feb 2006 06:44:42 PM |
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" torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9SqMf.4613$5M6.3823@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
<ot nonsense>
What?
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| User: "Jorge R. Frank" |
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26 Feb 2006 08:44:28 PM |
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" torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9SqMf.4613$5M6.3823
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/687099.html
One of the important lessons is that
racism is racism whether it is directed
against Jews and expressed in their
systematic destruction or whether it
is directed against Palestinians and
expressed in their ruthless imprisonment
in their own villages behind fences and walls.
How the ***** did sci.space.policy get on the newgroups header for this
drivel, and how do we get it off?
--
JRF
Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail,
check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and
think one step ahead of IBM.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Denial is not a reason for arrest |
27 Feb 2006 12:15:41 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:44:28 -0600, in a place far, far away, "Jorge
R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
" torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9SqMf.4613$5M6.3823
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/687099.html
One of the important lessons is that
racism is racism whether it is directed
against Jews and expressed in their
systematic destruction or whether it
is directed against Palestinians and
expressed in their ruthless imprisonment
in their own villages behind fences and walls.
How the ***** did sci.space.policy get on the newgroups header for this
drivel, and how do we get it off?
Hey, it's not like it's worse than any of Guth's nonsense.
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| User: "Jorge R. Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Denial is not a reason for arrest |
26 Feb 2006 09:34:57 PM |
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(Rand Simberg) wrote in
news:44ac98f8.607812217@news.giganews.com:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:44:28 -0600, in a place far, far away, "Jorge
R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
" torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9SqMf.4613$5M6.3823
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/687099.html
One of the important lessons is that
racism is racism whether it is directed
against Jews and expressed in their
systematic destruction or whether it
is directed against Palestinians and
expressed in their ruthless imprisonment
in their own villages behind fences and walls.
How the ***** did sci.space.policy get on the newgroups header for this
drivel, and how do we get it off?
Hey, it's not like it's worse than any of Guth's nonsense.
True, but at least I've got him killfiled so I don't see his nonsense. And
his nonsense is at least, well, ya know, *space* related. This crap came,
as you put it, not just out of left field, but out of another ballpark
altogether.
--
JRF
Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail,
check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and
think one step ahead of IBM.
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