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"J Young" |
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23 Dec 2006 10:39:42 PM |
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David Irving: 'Mel Gibson was right' |
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881955380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
British writer David Irving wasted no time Friday offending Jews and
black people at a news conference, a day after his return from Austria
where he was imprisoned for denying the Holocaust.
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
He also referred to his success as an author in the 1970s by talking
about how be used cash to buy a Rolls-Royce - the color of which he
described by using a racial slur against blacks.
Irving, 68, was sentenced to three years in prison for his views on the
Holocaust. Vienna's highest court on Wednesday granted Irving's appeal
to convert two-thirds of his sentence into probation. Authorities
deported him to Britain and banned him indefinitely from Austria.
Asked Friday if he was anti-Semitic, Irving said: "No, I like to think
I am not."
But then he said: "In many respects Mel Gibson was right."
"They (Jews) should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so
hated for 3,000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in
country after country?' and it's the one question they seem to be very
shy of," Irving said.
Irving told reporters that he had done research on the Holocaust that
other historians had not, but acknowledged he had been mistaken on the
subject in the past.
"My books will be the ones that survive into the next century," he
said.
He said sales from his book on World War II German Gen. Erwin Rommel
enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with
cash to buy a "(racial slur) brown" Rolls-Royce.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Dec 2006 11:37:42 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments;
Is that why you're so strongly in favor of censorship?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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24 Dec 2006 03:12:25 AM |
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J Young schrieb:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
You deserve to be beaten to a pulp... Why are you systematically on the
side of holocaust deniers, Mr. Nazi turd?
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments;
Is this why you want to censor anything that criticize or make fun of
your sect?
God bless America
***** you
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| User: "banyan" |
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26 Dec 2006 04:42:30 PM |
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J Young wrote:
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
What to say -- fools seldom differ? Who knew that the world contained
not one, but two shitheads...
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| User: "Ockhams Razor" |
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26 Dec 2006 04:57:28 PM |
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In article <4591A554.7020909@shaw.ca>, banyan <banyan@shaw.ca> wrote:
J Young wrote:
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
What to say -- fools seldom differ? Who knew that the world contained
not one, but two shitheads...
I think you have under counted.
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There are two ways to spell Ockham/Occam. Britannica prefers the former.
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| User: "Peter White" |
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23 Dec 2006 10:44:50 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881955380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
British writer David Irving wasted no time Friday offending Jews and
black people at a news conference, a day after his return from Austria
where he was imprisoned for denying the Holocaust.
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
He also referred to his success as an author in the 1970s by talking
about how be used cash to buy a Rolls-Royce - the color of which he
described by using a racial slur against blacks.
Irving, 68, was sentenced to three years in prison for his views on the
Holocaust. Vienna's highest court on Wednesday granted Irving's appeal
to convert two-thirds of his sentence into probation. Authorities
deported him to Britain and banned him indefinitely from Austria.
Asked Friday if he was anti-Semitic, Irving said: "No, I like to think
I am not."
But then he said: "In many respects Mel Gibson was right."
"They (Jews) should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so
hated for 3,000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in
country after country?' and it's the one question they seem to be very
shy of," Irving said.
Irving told reporters that he had done research on the Holocaust that
other historians had not, but acknowledged he had been mistaken on the
subject in the past.
"My books will be the ones that survive into the next century," he
said.
He said sales from his book on World War II German Gen. Erwin Rommel
enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with
cash to buy a "(racial slur) brown" Rolls-Royce.
He bought a caucasian brown Rolls-Royce?
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| User: "Teasing the LOONS" |
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24 Dec 2006 02:21:00 PM |
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Peter White wrote:
J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881955380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
British writer David Irving wasted no time Friday offending Jews and
black people at a news conference, a day after his return from Austria
where he was imprisoned for denying the Holocaust.
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
He also referred to his success as an author in the 1970s by talking
about how be used cash to buy a Rolls-Royce - the color of which he
described by using a racial slur against blacks.
Irving, 68, was sentenced to three years in prison for his views on the
Holocaust. Vienna's highest court on Wednesday granted Irving's appeal
to convert two-thirds of his sentence into probation. Authorities
deported him to Britain and banned him indefinitely from Austria.
Asked Friday if he was anti-Semitic, Irving said: "No, I like to think
I am not."
But then he said: "In many respects Mel Gibson was right."
"They (Jews) should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so
hated for 3,000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in
country after country?' and it's the one question they seem to be very
shy of," Irving said.
Irving told reporters that he had done research on the Holocaust that
other historians had not, but acknowledged he had been mistaken on the
subject in the past.
"My books will be the ones that survive into the next century," he
said.
He said sales from his book on World War II German Gen. Erwin Rommel
enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with
cash to buy a "(racial slur) brown" Rolls-Royce.
He bought a caucasian brown Rolls-Royce?
It *was* white but spent a lot of time in a tanning salon.
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| User: "Leftists = traitors" |
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24 Dec 2006 12:27:53 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881955380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
British writer David Irving wasted no time Friday offending Jews and
black people at a news conference, a day after his return from Austria
where he was imprisoned for denying the Holocaust.
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
He also referred to his success as an author in the 1970s by talking
about how be used cash to buy a Rolls-Royce - the color of which he
described by using a racial slur against blacks.
Irving, 68, was sentenced to three years in prison for his views on the
Holocaust. Vienna's highest court on Wednesday granted Irving's appeal
to convert two-thirds of his sentence into probation. Authorities
deported him to Britain and banned him indefinitely from Austria.
Asked Friday if he was anti-Semitic, Irving said: "No, I like to think
I am not."
But then he said: "In many respects Mel Gibson was right."
"They (Jews) should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so
hated for 3,000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in
country after country?' and it's the one question they seem to be very
shy of," Irving said.
Irving told reporters that he had done research on the Holocaust that
other historians had not, but acknowledged he had been mistaken on the
subject in the past.
"My books will be the ones that survive into the next century," he
said.
He said sales from his book on World War II German Gen. Erwin Rommel
enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with
cash to buy a "(racial slur) brown" Rolls-Royce.
Sure he did.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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24 Dec 2006 12:41:15 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Yes, it is.
A pity Mr. Irving does not LIVE in America.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881955380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
British writer David Irving wasted no time Friday offending Jews and
black people at a news conference, a day after his return from Austria
where he was imprisoned for denying the Holocaust.
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
Funny how Irving does not name a single modern war for which Jews
were responsible.
Michael
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24 Dec 2006 08:14:21 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Yes, it is.
A pity Mr. Irving does not LIVE in America.
Funny how Irving does not name a single modern war for which Jews
were responsible.
Michael
Jews are responsible for the attack on United States on 911 and the
anthrax attack to say the least. Even if we ignore the U SS Liberty
attack
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| User: "Sam Brown" |
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25 Dec 2006 12:53:50 AM |
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wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Yes, it is.
A pity Mr. Irving does not LIVE in America.
Funny how Irving does not name a single modern war for which Jews
were responsible.
Michael
Jews are responsible for the attack on United States on 911
Drop dead nazi.
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| User: "cactus" |
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25 Dec 2006 01:05:03 AM |
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wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Yes, it is.
A pity Mr. Irving does not LIVE in America.
Funny how Irving does not name a single modern war for which Jews
were responsible.
Michael
Jews are responsible for the attack on United States on 911 and the
anthrax attack to say the least. Even if we ignore the U SS Liberty
attack
Where is the thorazine when we need it? This guy is hallucinating again.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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24 Dec 2006 11:12:31 PM |
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wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
J Young wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Yes, it is.
A pity Mr. Irving does not LIVE in America.
Funny how Irving does not name a single modern war for which Jews
were responsible.
Michael
Jews are responsible for the attack on United States on 911 and the
anthrax attack to say the least. Even if we ignore the U SS Liberty
attack
So then Mohammed Atta was a Jew?
Michael
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| User: "Bolher" |
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25 Dec 2006 07:42:11 AM |
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Michael Ejercito said:
So then Mohammed Atta was a Jew?
Michael
The average sand ***** has an IQ of 72, so they confuse easily.
That's why they like to bend way over and take it in the ***** while
praying to Mecca.
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| User: "Duncan Patton" |
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24 Dec 2006 12:45:59 AM |
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On 23 Dec 2006 20:39:42 -0800
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
At a news conference in London, Irving endorsed actor Mel Gibson's
drunken comments earlier this year that Jews were responsible for all
modern wars.
Some things need to be written off to bad logic, if not just bad grammar.
There were Jews (Christians, Moslems and a fair lot of Atheists) responsible
for most of our modern wars. To derive from this some collective responsibility
sounds like grape koolaid communion, t' me.
Dhu
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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25 Dec 2006 09:47:41 PM |
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On 23 Dec 2006 20:39:42 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Gosh I bet Gibson is thrilled with an endorsement from Hitler's most
high profile admirer.
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| User: "Jim White" |
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25 Dec 2006 09:54:26 PM |
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David Johnston said:
On 23 Dec 2006 20:39:42 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Gosh I bet Gibson is thrilled with an endorsement from Hitler's most
high profile admirer.
I guess that's why, no matter what city you visit, you can't find a Hitler or a
Goebbles in the white pages!
It really takes the fun out of crank phone calls!
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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23 Dec 2006 11:05:02 PM |
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On 23 Dec 2006 20:39:42 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Mr Irving doesn't deserve to be censored.
He likewise doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
Laughing at him seems more appropriate.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle=AE?=" |
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24 Dec 2006 09:47:57 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Mr Irving doesn't deserve to be censored.
Were it only that.
What we are talking about here are the "progressives," of the world,
the supposed and self-proclaimed tolerant, open-minded, the would-be
civilized purveyors and defenders of human rights, who jail people for
the mere utterances that come out of their mouth.
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| User: "zr" |
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24 Dec 2006 09:55:00 AM |
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Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
"Spread Eagle®" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
news:1166975277.443045.147150@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Don Homuth wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Mr Irving doesn't deserve to be censored.
Were it only that.
What we are talking about here are the "progressives," of the world,
the supposed and self-proclaimed tolerant, open-minded, the would-be
civilized purveyors and defenders of human rights, who jail people for
the mere utterances that come out of their mouth.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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24 Dec 2006 05:26:10 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:55:00 -0500, "zr" <ngzr@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
Personally, I don't agree with making "hate speech" a crime. That only
helps the haters in the long run. It leaves the door open for them to
claim that we have to silence them because we're "afraid of the
truth", and precisely because we *have* limited their right to free
expression, the charge will be believed.
You can't make feelings or opinions illegal no matter how misguided
they may be. If you impose legal penalties on bigotry, you only make
the problem worse by giving the bigots one more reason to hate.
I say let them rant all they like. Let people see for themselves how
morally and intellectually bankrupt these morons truly are.
"Spread Eagle®" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
news:1166975277.443045.147150@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Don Homuth wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Mr Irving doesn't deserve to be censored.
Were it only that.
What we are talking about here are the "progressives," of the world,
the supposed and self-proclaimed tolerant, open-minded, the would-be
civilized purveyors and defenders of human rights, who jail people for
the mere utterances that come out of their mouth.
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| User: "Ockhams Razor" |
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24 Dec 2006 06:09:35 PM |
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In article <d92uo2t9i88d69jlq53j82bsdekf4cml51@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:55:00 -0500, "zr" <ngzr@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
Personally, I don't agree with making "hate speech" a crime. That only
helps the haters in the long run. It leaves the door open for them to
claim that we have to silence them because we're "afraid of the
truth", and precisely because we *have* limited their right to free
expression, the charge will be believed.
You can't make feelings or opinions illegal no matter how misguided
they may be. If you impose legal penalties on bigotry, you only make
the problem worse by giving the bigots one more reason to hate.
I say let them rant all they like. Let people see for themselves how
morally and intellectually bankrupt these morons truly are.
I agree totally with your comments. the only problem is that those who
agree with the morons will never be influenced by logic or a better
argument and those who trumpet those inanities add to the cacophony and
confuse the situation. Of course, the confusion lies with those who
cannot think.
I prefer Sagan's idea that the moronic ideas should be countered with a
better idea. the only problem is that the idiots cannot recognize a
better idea.
--
There are two ways to spell Ockham/Occam. Britannica prefers the former.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle_=AE?=" |
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25 Dec 2006 01:00:46 AM |
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Putting people in jail for saying words or thinking thoughts no matter
how opprobrious is always going to be inconsistent with a society that
holds itself out as being free and valuing freedom of expression.
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| User: "Ockhams Razor" |
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25 Dec 2006 10:18:29 AM |
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In article <1167030046.182298.148710@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Spread Eagle (R)" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
Putting people in jail for saying words or thinking thoughts no matter
how opprobrious is always going to be inconsistent with a society that
holds itself out as being free and valuing freedom of expression.
Where did you read that?
--
There are two ways to spell Ockham/Occam. Britannica prefers the former.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle_=AE?=" |
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25 Dec 2006 10:40:53 AM |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
In article <1167030046.182298.148710@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Spread Eagle (R)" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
Putting people in jail for saying words or thinking thoughts no matter
how opprobrious is always going to be inconsistent with a society that
holds itself out as being free and valuing freedom of expression.
Where did you read that?
Right here after I wrote it.
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| User: "zr" |
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25 Dec 2006 01:11:14 AM |
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Look up the meaning of "free speech" moron.
"Spread Eagle ®" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
news:1167030046.182298.148710@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Putting people in jail for saying words or thinking thoughts no matter
how opprobrious is always going to be inconsistent with a society that
holds itself out as being free and valuing freedom of expression.
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| User: "I AMTRUECRISTIAN" |
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25 Dec 2006 10:16:23 AM |
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my conclusions on completing the manuscript startled even me. Hitler
was a far less omnipotent F=C3=BChrer than had been believed, and his grip
on his
subordinates had weakened with each passing year. Three episodes =E2=80=93
the
aftermath of the Ernst R=C3=B6hm a=EF=AC=80air of June =EF=9C=B3=EF=9C=B0, =
=EF=9C=B1=EF=9C=B9=EF=9C=B3=EF=9C=B4, the
Dollfuss
assassination a month later, and the anti-Jewish outrages of November
=EF=9C=B1=EF=9C=B9=EF=9C=B3=EF=9C=B8 =E2=80=93
show how his powers had been pre-empted by men to whom he felt himself
in one way or another indebted. While my Hitler=E2=80=99s central and guidi=
ng
prewar
ambition always remains constant, his methods and tactics were
profoundly opportunistic. Hitler =EF=AC=81rmly believed in grasping at
=EF=AC=82eeting
opportunities. =E2=80=98There is but one moment when the Goddess of Fortune
wafts by,=E2=80=99 he lectured his adjutants in =EF=9C=B1=EF=9C=B9=EF=9C=B3=
=EF=9C=B8, =E2=80=98and if you
don=E2=80=99t grab her then
by the hem you won=E2=80=99t get a second chance!=E2=80=99 The manner in wh=
ich he
seized
upon the double scandal in January =EF=9C=B1=EF=9C=B9=EF=9C=B3=EF=9C=B8 to =
divest himself of
the over
conservative army Commander in Chief, Werner von Fritsch, and to become
his own Supreme Commander too, is a good example.
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| User: "Argosnln" |
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25 Dec 2006 07:45:31 AM |
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Spread Eagle ® said:
Putting people in jail for saying words or thinking thoughts no matter
how opprobrious is always going to be inconsistent with a society that
holds itself out as being free and valuing freedom of expression.
Unless it's preaching hate, promoting violence through lies and
uttering threats; and its against you. Then you're all for
silencing anyone involved with extreme prejudice.
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| User: "E. Barry Bruyea" |
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26 Dec 2006 03:56:41 AM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:26:10 -0500, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:55:00 -0500, "zr" <ngzr@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
Personally, I don't agree with making "hate speech" a crime. That only
helps the haters in the long run. It leaves the door open for them to
claim that we have to silence them because we're "afraid of the
truth", and precisely because we *have* limited their right to free
expression, the charge will be believed.
You can't make feelings or opinions illegal no matter how misguided
they may be. If you impose legal penalties on bigotry, you only make
the problem worse by giving the bigots one more reason to hate.
I say let them rant all they like. Let people see for themselves how
morally and intellectually bankrupt these morons truly are.
I agree. Idiots ranting are just that, idiots ranting. We all seem
to forget that tyrants like Hitler, Stalin & Mao 'legislated' hate
speech and they got to decide what was hate.
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| User: "notritenoteri" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:01:04 PM |
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if lying were a crime as you suggest we'd all be locked up or executed.
What does freedom of speech give you personally i wonder?
zr wrote:
Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
"Spread Eagle=AE" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
news:1166975277.443045.147150@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Don Homuth wrote:
Mr. Irving deserves both financial compensation and an apology.
Censorship is an oppressive tool of governments; God bless America
Mr Irving doesn't deserve to be censored.
Were it only that.
What we are talking about here are the "progressives," of the world,
the supposed and self-proclaimed tolerant, open-minded, the would-be
civilized purveyors and defenders of human rights, who jail people for
the mere utterances that come out of their mouth.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: David Irving: 'Mel Gibson was right' |
24 Dec 2006 12:42:45 PM |
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zr wrote:
Its called "libel and hate mongering" To put it tersely freedom of speech
does not give you the right to lie.
Whom did Mr. Irving libel?
Of course, he DID sue Deborah Lipstadt for libel, and LOST.
Michael
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