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Religions > Atheism |
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"Wayne Delia" |
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21 Jun 2007 11:45:17 AM |
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David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec43ca3c22
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
WMD
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| Title: Re: David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
21 Jun 2007 12:22:47 PM |
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On Jun 21, 11:45 am, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec...
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
WMD
Ok, this is getting quite absurd. Why are you so desperate to bait me
into continuing these discussions? If this is not a clear example of
begging me to return, I don't know what is. What does my age have
anything to do anything posted on here? The point is you don't know,
and it has no bearing on the topics at hand. I could be 38 as well.
Alvinstraight38. Doesn't that tell you something as well?
I also pointed out to you that other people have posted under my
account. I just happened to be logged in at the time. Likewise, I
have posted under friend's accounts.
At any rate, your liar trap is already defeated by your own bogus
claims. You claim that it is impossible for me to be a Christian.
Therefore, you just blew all your ammo. You can no longer claim that
my actions are not Christ like since I can't be a Christian anyways.
You can no longer hold me to any standards of perceived Christian
morality. Any attempts to try to convict me of my actions will be a
clear demonstration that you don't even believe your own claims. You
can no longer claim that I am a hypocrite.
Your admission is that you attack me simply because you detest
hypocrites. Since I can not be a hypocrite, please stop these
attacks. Otherwise, cue up the Dennis Leary song!
You can keep on digging up old dead posts out of desperation, but it
proves nothing. My life has changed significantly since then for the
better. I have purposely ignored the vast majority of your ridiculous
bloated replies for one simple reason. You will always respond
negatively. Every single sentence you write to me has a negative
connotation. Even your "apologies" are negative. Your posts do not
anger me or hurt my feelings, but I can only handle so much negative
energy. I return to my positive life and leave your cesspool.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
21 Jun 2007 01:56:18 PM |
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wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:45 am, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec...
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
WMD
Ok, this is getting quite absurd.
That's the point. It's absurd to claim to be 23 in February, and then
claim to be 21 in October of the same year.
Why are you so desperate to bait me
into continuing these discussions?
No bait is necessary. You'll continue them regardless whether you
promised not to.
If this is not a clear example of
begging me to return, I don't know what is.
I imagine there's a lot of things you "don't know what is."
What does my age have
anything to do anything posted on here?
How old you are doesn't matter. The point is that you claimed to be 23
years old in February 1997, and you claimed to be 21 years old eight
months later. Time doesn't travel in that direction.
The point is you don't know,
and it has no bearing on the topics at hand.
One of the topics at hand is whether we can document that you've lied.
Either you lied, or you made a mistake about a very simple, basic
personal fact, which most people are able to keep straight in their own
heads.
I could be 38 as well.
Alvinstraight38. Doesn't that tell you something as well?
Sure. It tells me at least three possible things.
1) You are 38 years old, and you have been 38 years old for at least the
past five years, since the "alvinstraight38" account has been in effect
since early February, 2002. (Ironically, in a post from February 9,
2002, you referred to your "emsguy" account in the third person, as if
he was someone else.)
2) You are 38 years old, and ten years ago, you were 28 years old, so
you lied twice in the two posts I referenced, when you claimed you were
23 and 21 years old. (You were ahead of the game when you only lied once
about your actual age.)
3) You aren't 38 years old, but you're hoping to deflect the discussion
away from your curious claims in 1997 that you miraculously cut two
years off your age from February to October.
I'm betting it's the third possibility.
I also pointed out to you that other people have posted under my
account.
Did that happen in this particular incident? Why would someone else use
your account to post about concern over medical troubles and shyness
troubles, both of which you frequently write about, in a writing style
indistinguishable from yours?
I just happened to be logged in at the time. Likewise, I
have posted under friend's accounts.
Sears, nobody believes you - and we've added "snorey" to your list of
sock-puppet accounts.
At any rate, your liar trap is already defeated by your own bogus
claims.
It was YOUR bogus claim that you were 23 years old in February, and that
you were 21 years old in October of the same year.
You claim that it is impossible for me to be a Christian.
You've confused me with Kent. He makes that claim. In fact, I allow the
possibility that you actually do consider yourself a Christian, a person
who follows the teachings of Jesus despite committing the Unforgivable
Sin, for which Jesus condemns you for eternity. Even the Church of
England recognizes the category of "Christian atheists" - those who
follow the teachings of Jesus while lacking a belief that He is the Son
of God, so there's probably a fringe cult of "Condemned Christians" for
you to fit in with.
Therefore, you just blew all your ammo.
You've left a decade of "ammo" littered all over Usenet.
You can no longer claim that
my actions are not Christ like since I can't be a Christian anyways.
Your actions are not "Christ like" because you intentionally disobeyed
at least one of them which Jesus claims won't ever be forgiven.
You can no longer hold me to any standards of perceived Christian
morality.
That, too, is a concern, because you could very well be "close to the
edge," so to speak, and ready to turn into the psychopathic sociopath
you imagine anyone without your God must act like. But that would
involve you admitting that you are, in fact, eternally condemned, and
within your particular belief system, that's not something you're
prepared to accept. What I believe doesn't matter; the point is, you're
condemned according to what you claim to believe.
Any attempts to try to convict me of my actions will be a
clear demonstration that you don't even believe your own claims.
Lying's still inappropriate behavior, regardless of whether you are or
aren't a Christian. It's still shameful if you're shown to be a liar (as
in your two posts from 1997), but admitting you're no longer a Christian
doesn't magically make lying acceptable.
You can no longer claim that I am a hypocrite.
Sure we can. If you profess a belief, not necessarily a religious one,
which your actions indicate you do not hold, then you're a hypocrite.
Similar to lying above, one need not be a Christian in order to be a
hypocrite.
Your admission is that you attack me simply because you detest
hypocrites.
Exactly. What's so hard to understand about that?
Since I can not be a hypocrite, please stop these attacks.
You can very easily be a hypocrite; not all hypocrisy involves
Christianity. All it requires is professing a belief which you don't
actually hold. Specifically, whether you actually are a hypocrite
depends on whether you accept the fact that you are eternally condemned
by Jesus for cursing the Holy Spirit. If you do, then in this particular
case, you're not hypocritical. But if you actually still think you're a
Christian, then you're neck deep in hypocrisy. What'll it be?
Otherwise, cue up the Dennis Leary song!
Or, for that matter, do a Google search on anyone calling anyone else an
*****, and reference that page so that you can let someone else do
your lame name-calling for you.
You can keep on digging up old dead posts out of desperation, but it
proves nothing.
As always, "proof" is unattainable in anything other than mathematics
and logic, but a simple application of mathematics and logic is all
that's necessary to prove that you can't be age 23 in February, and age
21 in October of the same year.
My life has changed significantly since then for the better.
You haven't given any evidence of that at all, and your credibility has
been shot, with the most recent demonstration of your dishonesty.
I have purposely ignored the vast majority of your ridiculous
bloated replies for one simple reason.
You didn't have much luck in "purposely ignoring" this post, and you've
posted numerous times after you've claimed you won't be posting any
more. That's why people have more than just a little difficulty
believing you.
You will always respond negatively.
Frankly, there's very little of a positive nature involving you to discuss.
Every single sentence you write to me has a negative
connotation.
And quite frequently, you beg for someone - anyone - to say something
positive about you. So what? alt.atheism and alt.fan.bob-larson probably
aren't the best newsgroups for you to look for unquestioning,
unqualified, blind approval and pandering flattery.
Even your "apologies" are negative.
Some are designed to be "damning with faint praise," as I have already
noted: I apologized for claiming you had been dumped by a 350-pound
woman, since your actual post claimed you had been dumped by a 400-pound
woman. That was intentional, because you were blustering to give the
impression that you weren't dumped by any overweight women at all.
Your posts do not
anger me or hurt my feelings, but I can only handle so much negative
energy.
Then there must be something a little bit less than honest about them
not angering you or hurting your feelings.
I return to my positive life and leave your cesspool.
Actually, the "positive life" you returned to was posting under the
identity of "snorey" only about fifteen minutes later, to the same
newsgroup (alt.fan.bob-larson) - then posting again, just a few minutes
after that. So that's what you call your "positive life?"
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
WMD
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| Title: Re: David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
21 Jun 2007 04:15:03 PM |
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I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
Unfortunately, apparently there is no way to disprove your false
accusation 100%. Likewise, you can not prove 100% that I am posing as
snorey. Just more assumptions.
I can not explain the Tyler TX connection, although I would not be
surprised if this "evidence" was fabricated by Kent or yourself. I
highly suspect that snorey is your own sockpuppet designed to
desperately keep this discussion open when I want to close the door on
it for good. Also, Tyler, TX is merely the headquarters of my ISP
which serves much of Texas including DFW. The connection proves
nothing.
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife. I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA. I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07. I merely want to be left alone. I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another. I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
Most normal people would not go to such lengths. The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
22 Jun 2007 01:03:50 PM |
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wrote:
I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
But all that does is add fuel to the fire of you continuing to post
after you claim you weren't going to post any longer.
Unfortunately, apparently there is no way to disprove your false
accusation 100%. Likewise, you can not prove 100% that I am posing as
snorey. Just more assumptions.
In your case, though, we're not looking for 100% absolute proof. As
you've been told countless times before, absolute proof is not possible
outside of mathematics and logic. With a simple application of
mathematics (basic arithmetic, in fact) and logic, we can prove to 100%
certainty that you made a mistake when you claimed you were 23 years old
in February 1997, then you claimed you were 21 years old in October
1997. That much is absolutely certain. Whether you lied (to make
yourself appear younger to potential male shy pen pals in October, for
example) or whether you made a mistake (involving a personal fact that
most people over the age of three years old are able to know accurately)
is immaterial; either you're rock stupid or dangerously dishonest. But
in this case, nobody's interested in 100% proof that you're using
another sock-puppet account to do your profane pornography. You've done
that in the past (with "Ned Riles aka maven," remember?), and you've
posted as alvinstraight38 yesterday at 12:22PM EDST, which was shortly
before "snorey" posted at 12:36PM and 12:39PM EDST. To me, that's not
100% proof that he's you, but it's reasonably and plausibly you to a
sufficient preponderance of the evidence.
I can not explain the Tyler TX connection, although I would not be
surprised if this "evidence" was fabricated by Kent or yourself.
Fabricated by me? I've already gone on record as claiming no specific
knowledge of any kind of network tracing, so it looks like you're loaded
for bear with nothing to shoot at, as usual. In fact, my position is
that any particular kind of tracing isn't necessary to conclude that
you're posting as "snorey" based on your prior actions, specifically,
you creating the "maven" account as an outlet to swear like a midshipman.
I
highly suspect that snorey is your own sockpuppet designed to
desperately keep this discussion open when I want to close the door on
it for good.
You don't want to close the door on it for good. If you did, you
wouldn't have bothered to write the post to which I am responding.
Also, Tyler, TX is merely the headquarters of my ISP
which serves much of Texas including DFW. The connection proves
nothing.
Again, you're confusing "proof" with "evidence". Proof is only available
in pure mathematics and logic, such as the 100% certain proof that you
made a mistake of some kind when you claimed you were 23 years old in
February 1997, and that you were 21 years old in October of the same year.
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife.
You could have been one or more of those people. By your own
description, this newsgroup (alt.fan.bob-larson) is a dead area. It's a
little too coincidental that the lewd replies happened so soon after
Kent posted the pics.
I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA.
Again, are you really confused about the definitional difference between
"proof" and "evidence", or are you intentionally being obtuse? Your
strategy of intentionally acting ignorant (or, as "maven", intentionally
acting mentally ill) is a poor technique indeed. I specifically asked
about the "snorey" account, and you went off on the other one,
"tarboro". To me, and to others, it appeared as if you were dodging any
investigation into the "snorey" account, which only served as additional
confirmation.
I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
What you believe, as well as what you find hard to believe, generally
have nothing to do with reality anyway.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07.
But during May 07, after you claimed you wouldn't be posting any more
responses and that you found these discussions to be a waste of time,
you continued to post.
I merely want to be left alone.
If you did, then once you said you'd stop posting, you'd actually stop
posting. A few days ago, we measured the time it took you to post again
after you claimed you wouldn't, and it was only a little more than five
hours.
I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another.
Since you're lying about wanting to be left alone, you posted in the new
thread. I notice Kent's already pointed out that if I actually "couldn't
stand to see it end," I'd be posting in that thread, not creating a new
one.
I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
You were bullshitting, you were hypocritical, and you condemned people
who didn't share your exact beliefs. You were caught out, and your
feelings got hurt. As a result, you're being way too melodramatic.
Most normal people would not go to such lengths.
What the hell would you know about what normal people would do? You're
the guy who spent several years in that time interval tacking up carpets
over the windows, wading through the empty Doritos bags and Mountain Dew
bottles on the floor, and creating a psychological retreat where you
could play video games all weekend. That's the way you described
yourself on several occasions.
The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
You don't understand much about logic or valid analogies, so I'll try
and use simple words to explain why your analogy here is incomplete. A
better analogy to the "latest tactic" would be that the speaker at the
MADD rally attempted to convince the audience never to drive drunk,
while claiming he's never driven drunk in his life - and an audience
member produces a police report with details about when the speaker was
arrested and convicted for DUI. The speaker, embarrassed about as much
as you are now, sputters that the DUI was in another state, or so long
ago it doesn't matter, and anyone who points out his hypocrisy and
dishonesty is against the principles of MADD. It just doesn't make
sense, and that's a valid analogy to your "latest tactics". Lately,
you've smokescreened and handwaved the discussion about your eternal
condemnation away with a finger-pointing "you lied /no, you lied"
back-and-forth with Kent Wills. What I've produced is documented
evidence that you've either lied, or made a mistake over a fundamentally
easily-managed bit of personal information. What you can't produce is
any such example of a lie to document your claims. And if you were
actually a Christian, you'd understand that "bearing false witness" -
i.e. accusing someone of a crime that person didn't commit - breaks one
of the Ten Commandments.
WMD
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| Title: Re: David Sears forgets (or lies about) how old he is |
22 Jun 2007 04:40:59 PM |
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As I understand it, on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:03:50 GMT, Wayne Delia
<wmd@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com wrote:
I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
But all that does is add fuel to the fire of you continuing to post
after you claim you weren't going to post any longer.
David has a hard time telling the truth. He's one of Satan's
minions, so this is to be expected.
Unfortunately, apparently there is no way to disprove your false
accusation 100%. Likewise, you can not prove 100% that I am posing as
snorey. Just more assumptions.
In your case, though, we're not looking for 100% absolute proof. As
you've been told countless times before, absolute proof is not possible
outside of mathematics and logic.
And some parts of physiology.
I can prove I'm male. I seriously doubt anyone other than
David wants to see pictures of me nude (he did request that I post
pictures of myself in the nude newsgroup), so I'm not likely to prove
it here. However, if it were a matter of life or death, I could prove
it.
With a simple application of
mathematics (basic arithmetic, in fact) and logic, we can prove to 100%
certainty that you made a mistake when you claimed you were 23 years old
in February 1997, then you claimed you were 21 years old in October
1997.
If it were a typo, which is what I thought at first, he would
have said so. That he didn't is STRONG evidence that he lied in one
or both posts.
That much is absolutely certain. Whether you lied (to make
yourself appear younger to potential male shy pen pals in October, for
example) or whether you made a mistake (involving a personal fact that
most people over the age of three years old are able to know accurately)
It's possible to make such a typo. I frequently offer
evidence (heck, call it proof) that I should not be allowed to
proof-read my own posts.
In David's case, this is no longer an option. If it were a
typo, he would have simply stated something like, "I hit the wrong key
and failed to notice it." It would have destroyed a great deal of
your argument.
Rather than do that, he tried to act like he's now 38.
Can you imagine being a 38 year old virgin? ACK!
is immaterial; either you're rock stupid or dangerously dishonest. But
in this case, nobody's interested in 100% proof that you're using
another sock-puppet account to do your profane pornography. You've done
that in the past (with "Ned Riles aka maven," remember?), and you've
posted as alvinstraight38 yesterday at 12:22PM EDST, which was shortly
before "snorey" posted at 12:36PM and 12:39PM EDST. To me, that's not
100% proof that he's you, but it's reasonably and plausibly you to a
sufficient preponderance of the evidence.
I believe snorey is David. I can't offer any evidence, other
than the similar obsessive styles, but in time I might.
Right now tracing a post from easynews to its point of origin
is beyond my knowledge. It is not beyond the knowledge of some
friends of mine. I'll post their findings once available.
I can not explain the Tyler TX connection, although I would not be
surprised if this "evidence" was fabricated by Kent or yourself.
Fabricated by me? I've already gone on record as claiming no specific
knowledge of any kind of network tracing, so it looks like you're loaded
for bear with nothing to shoot at, as usual. In fact, my position is
that any particular kind of tracing isn't necessary to conclude that
you're posting as "snorey" based on your prior actions, specifically,
you creating the "maven" account as an outlet to swear like a midshipman.
I offered the evidence that tarboro is posting from the node
dedicated to Tyler and Longview. A very odd coincidence that tarboro
uses the same ISP, the same node, and lookie here, the same personal
account for Cox (seems the records haven't been updated since Cox
became Suddenlink in Texas).
So, David... How do you explain that everything from tarboro
traces back to YOU? It's enough to prove to me that you are posting
as tarboro.
I
highly suspect that snorey is your own sockpuppet designed to
desperately keep this discussion open when I want to close the door on
it for good.
You don't want to close the door on it for good. If you did, you
wouldn't have bothered to write the post to which I am responding.
There isn't much to do in the Lar$on group. Every so often
Lar$on shows up with his own sock (snickers), and every so often David
show up showing us how his life is still as sad and pathetic as it's
always been.
On rare occasions Susan will stop by with some Lar$on news,
but that's about it.
Also, Tyler, TX is merely the headquarters of my ISP
which serves much of Texas including DFW. The connection proves
nothing.
Again, you're confusing "proof" with "evidence". Proof is only available
in pure mathematics and logic, such as the 100% certain proof that you
made a mistake of some kind when you claimed you were 23 years old in
February 1997, and that you were 21 years old in October of the same year.
His comment about maybe being 38 years old now, as opposed to
stating one age was a typo, is a strong indicator that he lied. It's
not absolute proof, but it adds support to the belief .
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife.
You could have been one or more of those people.
He's definitely tarboro.
By your own
description, this newsgroup (alt.fan.bob-larson) is a dead area. It's a
little too coincidental that the lewd replies happened so soon after
Kent posted the pics.
I just thought of something. Maybe they aren't him, but are
the two other Triforce members. David just let them use his Internet
connection.
I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA.
Again, are you really confused about the definitional difference between
"proof" and "evidence", or are you intentionally being obtuse? Your
strategy of intentionally acting ignorant (or, as "maven", intentionally
acting mentally ill) is a poor technique indeed. I specifically asked
about the "snorey" account, and you went off on the other one,
"tarboro". To me, and to others, it appeared as if you were dodging any
investigation into the "snorey" account, which only served as additional
confirmation.
In time we should know.
I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
What you believe, as well as what you find hard to believe, generally
have nothing to do with reality anyway.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07.
But during May 07, after you claimed you wouldn't be posting any more
responses and that you found these discussions to be a waste of time,
you continued to post.
He craves attention.
I merely want to be left alone.
If you did, then once you said you'd stop posting, you'd actually stop
posting. A few days ago, we measured the time it took you to post again
after you claimed you wouldn't, and it was only a little more than five
hours.
That's Kaldis speed!
I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another.
Since you're lying about wanting to be left alone, you posted in the new
thread. I notice Kent's already pointed out that if I actually "couldn't
stand to see it end," I'd be posting in that thread, not creating a new
one.
*Strut*
I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
You were bullshitting, you were hypocritical, and you condemned people
who didn't share your exact beliefs. You were caught out, and your
feelings got hurt. As a result, you're being way too melodramatic.
I've noticed everything is an extreme with David. Since he's
stated this is not an on-line persona, I can see why the 400 pound
woman wanted nothing to do with him.
Most normal people would not go to such lengths.
What the hell would you know about what normal people would do? You're
the guy who spent several years in that time interval tacking up carpets
over the windows,
<channeling David Sears>
You lying atheist!
</channeling>
It was a blanket.
wading through the empty Doritos bags and Mountain Dew
bottles on the floor,
Gasp!
You've been to my web cam! :-)
and creating a psychological retreat where you
could play video games all weekend. That's the way you described
yourself on several occasions.
How very sad. Even if I were to lead such a life, I would
NEVER mention it on-line.
The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
You don't understand much about logic or valid analogies, so I'll try
and use simple words to explain why your analogy here is incomplete. A
better analogy to the "latest tactic" would be that the speaker at the
MADD rally attempted to convince the audience never to drive drunk,
while claiming he's never driven drunk in his life - and an audience
member produces a police report with details about when the speaker was
arrested and convicted for DUI. The speaker, embarrassed about as much
as you are now, sputters that the DUI was in another state, or so long
ago it doesn't matter, and anyone who points out his hypocrisy and
dishonesty is against the principles of MADD. It just doesn't make
sense, and that's a valid analogy to your "latest tactics".
It's the Chewbaca defense!
Lately,
you've smokescreened and handwaved the discussion about your eternal
condemnation away with a finger-pointing "you lied /no, you lied"
back-and-forth with Kent Wills.
I'm still waiting for him to post evidence that I lied.
What I've produced is documented
evidence that you've either lied, or made a mistake over a fundamentally
easily-managed bit of personal information. What you can't produce is
any such example of a lie to document your claims. And if you were
actually a Christian, you'd understand that "bearing false witness" -
i.e. accusing someone of a crime that person didn't commit - breaks one
of the Ten Commandments.
But David recently admitted he's not a Christian. That it's
all been an act.
It's an odd hobby, but it's his.
--
Kent
"I most stonger than Darth Vapor!"
-- Zladko "Zlad" Vladcik
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28 Jun 2007 07:28:58 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:40:59 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
As I understand it, on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:03:50 GMT, Wayne Delia
<wmd@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com wrote:
I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
But all that does is add fuel to the fire of you continuing to post
after you claim you weren't going to post any longer.
David has a hard time telling the truth.
Or dealing with reality.
He's one of Satan's minions, so this is to be expected.
Disagree. In the Bible, 'Satan' told the truth while God, in or out of
the Jesus aspect, unrepentantly lies his nonexistant arse off.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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21 Jun 2007 06:10:24 PM |
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As I understand it, on Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:15:03 -0700,
"alvinstraight38@hotmail.com" <alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
This is possible, however unlikely.
I've offered evidence that you are posting as tarboro.
Unfortunately, apparently there is no way to disprove your false
accusation 100%. Likewise, you can not prove 100% that I am posing as
snorey. Just more assumptions.
I can not explain the Tyler TX connection, although I would not be
surprised if this "evidence" was fabricated by Kent or yourself.
No one has claimed there is a Tyler, Texas connection with
Snorey. Nice way to try and claim that which you aren't claiming.
The statement was and is that you posted as tarboro. I've
offered evidence to support that statement.
Wayne asked how you were able to trace Snorey to California,
but that's a different matter all together.
I
highly suspect that snorey is your own sockpuppet designed to
desperately keep this discussion open when I want to close the door on
it for good. Also, Tyler, TX is merely the headquarters of my ISP
which serves much of Texas including DFW. The connection proves
nothing.
The node you use is exclusive to Tyler and Longview.
How can Wayne, a man who lives a few hundred miles away from
Texas, use an ISP node dedicated to Tyler and Longview?
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife. I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA. I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
Both are you.
I've offered the evidence that your tarboro account uses an
open "anonymous" proxy. I also posted the results of the tunnel trace
I did that terminated with one of sudddenlink's Tyler-Longview nodes.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07. I merely want to be left alone. I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another.
If he couldn't stand to see that thread end, wouldn't it have
made more sense to post in THAT thread?
You've never taken an Intro to Logic course, have you?
I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
Your constant lying *might* be the reason. Of course, he
hasn't dedicated 10 years of his life to heaping verbal abuse on you.
You simply aren't that important.
Most normal people would not go to such lengths. The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
A *he* speaking at MADD? Not being associated with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, I can't know if dad's are allowed to speak, but
it struck me as funny none the less.
--
Kent
"The war for the future will be fought in the past."
-- Jordan Collier
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22 Jun 2007 04:15:32 PM |
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alvinstraight38@hotmail.com( The jackass) wrote:
I have merely returned to again state the fact that I am not posing as
this snorey character.
Unfortunately, apparently there is no way to disprove your false
accusation 100%. Likewise, you can not prove 100% that I am posing as
snorey. Just more assumptions.
I can not explain the Tyler TX connection, although I would not be
surprised if this "evidence" was fabricated by Kent or yourself. I
highly suspect that snorey is your own sockpuppet designed to
desperately keep this discussion open when I want to close the door on
it for good. Also, Tyler, TX is merely the headquarters of my ISP
which serves much of Texas including DFW. The connection proves
nothing.
You explained the Tyler Texas angle right in your frigging response,
Sears. It IS a connection to you. I am pretty sure if Kent wanted to
fabricate an ISP location it wouldn't be so "coincidentally" connected
to your ISP provider. dumbass. And you HAVE been known to use various
email addresses and names. Your excuse of your account wwas hacked and
someone used your idenity is the same lameass excuse you used before.
The postings Wayne found do confirm a few things i suspect about you.
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife. I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA. I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
The EXACT same remarks. It isn't coinicdence. Its the same person.
Don't pretend otherwise. The fact that the response came so soon and
the alleged writer claimed to find the link in a binary newsgroup
doesn't wash as the HEADERS are only for the BL newsgroup, idiot. And
by your own claim there is hardly anyone here. If Kent did such a
juvenile thing, you can bet his wife would not look too kindly upon
him. And Wayne is far too smart to limit himself to such idiotic
juvenile pathetic sex fantasies. ME, I am a straight woman, having no
sexual interest in Kent's wife. That pretty much leaves YOU, David
Sears, and your comments about you relationships with women pretty
much fits the level of sexuual immaturity of the cowardly cumlicker.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07. I merely want to be left alone.
If you wish to be " left alone" there is a simple answer. DON'T
FRIGGING READ OR POST ANYTHING. How stupid ARE you Sears? You claim
you WON'T respond then you continue TO respond again and again. Don't
you have any self-control?
Sheesh, it's pretty obvious why you continue with this, it's your ego.
Even when you CLAIM you don't like this it feeds your ego.
I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another. I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
Ten years dedicated to YOU Sears? Oh really? Has Wayne been
constantly bugging you every day? man this must feed your ego, make
you feel important. Hoo boy., talk about Sear's delusions!
Most normal people would not go to such lengths. The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
The pointof digging up two of your early posts is to show the
discrepancy of your stated age for the time involved. Your
hypochondria of thinking your chest pains could be a heart attack
sounds typical of you, actually. It's proof that you have lied in the
past. and your " my emails were hacked" excuse smells more like
*****.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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22 Jun 2007 09:13:18 PM |
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As I understand it, on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:15:32 -0700, forevernitefan
<fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Furthermore, we had an instance of two people suddenly showing up and
posting lewd comments about Kent's wife. I offered proof that one of
these accounts originated from CA. I find it hard to believe that it
is just coincidental that another person butted in posting the same
kind of remarks
The EXACT same remarks. It isn't coinicdence. Its the same person.
Don't pretend otherwise. The fact that the response came so soon and
the alleged writer claimed to find the link in a binary newsgroup
doesn't wash as the HEADERS are only for the BL newsgroup, idiot.
I don't have access to the nude group David visits. As I've
pointed out, datemas.de doesn't carry binary groups.
I have a friend who does. Out of all of the post for the past
four weeks, not a one is of Lindsay.
While it's possible Todd lied, it's extremely unlikely.
And
by your own claim there is hardly anyone here. If Kent did such a
juvenile thing, you can bet his wife would not look too kindly upon
him.
She knew before I posted the link that I wanted to post it.
She was fine with it. I've made the image available before in another
group, so it's not like it's not been seen.
And Wayne is far too smart to limit himself to such idiotic
juvenile pathetic sex fantasies. ME, I am a straight woman, having no
sexual interest in Kent's wife.
Well, that ruins my plans for the Labor Day weekend! :-)
That pretty much leaves YOU, David
Sears, and your comments about you relationships with women pretty
much fits the level of sexuual immaturity of the cowardly cumlicker.
I'm wondering how old he really is. This is a matter of
morbid curiosity only, but if his latest claim of being 38 is true, it
means he's a 38 year old virgin. I can't comprehend such a thing.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Exactly what "positive results" are you looking for? Someday, somehow,
in some newsgroup, people will uncritically and unquestioningly accept
whatever *****-du-jour you're peddling? Ain't gonna happen in
alt.atheism or alt.fan.bob-larson.
I have not posted in this newsgroup or atheism for years prior to May
07. I merely want to be left alone.
If you wish to be " left alone" there is a simple answer. DON'T
FRIGGING READ OR POST ANYTHING.
He craves attention. We all do, but the need is typically
filled by those we love, be that a spouse, children, parents (when
we're young), boy/girlfriend, and to a lesser extent, platonic
friends.
Since David told us he's not presenting an on-line persona, we
can know it's the real David. This means he has no one in real life
filling this need. He has to come here to get a small degree of
validation in his life.
David WANTS Wayne to have spent 10 years following the on-line
antics of Sears. I don't believe David is gay, but attention from a
male is better than no attention for anyone, so in David's mind, Wayne
is all about the Dave!
How stupid ARE you Sears? You claim
you WON'T respond then you continue TO respond again and again. Don't
you have any self-control?
Nope. He has none at all, really.
Sheesh, it's pretty obvious why you continue with this, it's your ego.
Even when you CLAIM you don't like this it feeds your ego.
I left the King Wayne thread a
week ago yet you can't stand to see it end so you created another. I
don't know what great injustice I committed that compelled you to
dedicate 10 years of your life to heaping verbal abuse on me online.
Ten years dedicated to YOU Sears? Oh really? Has Wayne been
constantly bugging you every day? man this must feed your ego, make
you feel important. Hoo boy., talk about Sear's delusions!
It's better than nothing.
Deep down David knows it's not true, but in the short term it
satisfies a deep need we all have, but that David can't get in
real-life.
Most normal people would not go to such lengths. The logic of your
latest tactic is the equivalent of calling a speaker at an MADD rally
a hypocrite because he was convicted of DUI 20 years ago.
The pointof digging up two of your early posts is to show the
discrepancy of your stated age for the time involved. Your
hypochondria of thinking your chest pains could be a heart attack
sounds typical of you, actually. It's proof that you have lied in the
past. and your " my emails were hacked" excuse smells more like
*****.
The hack was just one possibility he raised.
There was the "my friends used my account" excuse. While
possible, it screams of desperation to me.
--
Kent
"I most stonger than Darth Vapor!"
-- Zladko "Zlad" Vladcik
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21 Jun 2007 03:05:15 PM |
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wrote:
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Ready for another blast from your past? Posting as sears@koyote.com, on
July 24, 1998, you wrote the following: "I posted under another email
address because I do not have access to my news server at work. I only
post now at work to fight bouts of boredom."
Damn. What a fucking hypocrite.
Here's the reference:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/ca508b5f83b3e90a
WMD
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21 Jun 2007 04:35:52 PM |
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On Jun 21, 3:05 pm, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com wrote:
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Ready for another blast from your past? Posting as s...@koyote.com, on
July 24, 1998, you wrote the following: "I posted under another email
address because I do not have access to my news server at work. I only
post now at work to fight bouts of boredom."
Damn. What a fucking hypocrite.
Here's the reference:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/ca508b5f83b3e90a
WMD
This post is so wrong on so many levels. First, there are no posts
showing that I am currently commiting this action. (and I'm off work
right now so don't even try that one). OTOH, we have ample evidence
that you are currently commiting this offense. Your only defense was
that we don't know your work hours, and you were on vacation.. Since
you post practically 24/7, your defense is useless. You are no longer
on vacation yet still posting throughout the day and night.
Second, it is another example of assuming the facts. Maybe I ran my
own business in 1998. Maybe I had a job house sitting. Actually in
1998, I was in the EMS field, and we did have long stretches of
boredom. You could not be productive until a call came in. The EMS
director even bought us a TV and VCR so we could watch movies during
long night shifts of no activity. I committed no act of stealing as
internet and tv time was quite approved by management. However, once
a call did come in, you had less than 30 seconds to get your butt in
gear.
OTOH, you are in the IT environment where productivity is expected.
One reason why many corporate environments will not allow salaried
employees to work from home is the exact thing you are doing. There
is the fear that employees will simply waste time playing on the
internet instead of doing their job. IBM is paying for your service,
not for you to take time to insult me online.
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22 Jun 2007 04:25:54 PM |
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wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:05 pm, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com wrote:
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Ready for another blast from your past? Posting as s...@koyote.com, on
July 24, 1998, you wrote the following: "I posted under another email
address because I do not have access to my news server at work. I only
post now at work to fight bouts of boredom."
Damn. What a fucking hypocrite.
Here's the reference:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/ca508b5f83b3e90a
WMD
This post is so wrong on so many levels. First, there are no posts
showing that I am currently commiting this action. (and I'm off work
right now so don't even try that one). OTOH, we have ample evidence
that you are currently commiting this offense. Your only defense was
that we don't know your work hours, and you were on vacation..
It was a national holiday, numb nuts, and yoiu don't have the homesty
to admit your accusation was wrong.
Since
you post practically 24/7, your defense is useless. You are no longer
on vacation yet still posting throughout the day and night.
Ever hear of swing shift? Amazing, BTW that you seem so focused on
exactly when Wayne is posting, Have charts made showing the time
periods to prove your allegations, Sears?
Second, it is another example of assuming the facts. Maybe I ran my
own business in 1998. Maybe I had a job house sitting. Actually in
1998, I was in the EMS field, and we did have long stretches of
boredom.
If you were in the EMS as you claimed you would have known what chest
pains are about., and thusly your post about it would have been
irrelevant. The point was the age discrepancy.
You could not be productive until a call came in. The EMS
director even bought us a TV and VCR so we could watch movies during
long night shifts of no activity. I committed no act of stealing as
internet and tv time was quite approved by management. However, once
a call did come in, you had less than 30 seconds to get your butt in
gear.
OTOH, you are in the IT environment where productivity is expected.
One reason why many corporate environments will not allow salaried
employees to work from home is the exact thing you are doing.
Oh so you have some spyware on his computer documenting this?
There
is the fear that employees will simply waste time playing on the
internet instead of doing their job. IBM is paying for your service,
not for you to take time to insult me online.
You take one attempt of yours to nail Wayne when he posted during a
national holiday and you are weaving your mistake into a whole
accusation that Wayne is continuing to " steal company time" when you
have NO PROOF to SHOW it, and worse still your original accusation
fell flat because you forgot it was a national holiday.
Sears you are your own worst enemy. Man, you are SO PATHETIC I can see
why a 400 pound woman broke up with you.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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22 Jun 2007 09:19:18 PM |
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As I understand it, on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:25:54 -0700, forevernitefan
<fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:05 pm, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com wrote:
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Ready for another blast from your past? Posting as s...@koyote.com, on
July 24, 1998, you wrote the following: "I posted under another email
address because I do not have access to my news server at work. I only
post now at work to fight bouts of boredom."
Damn. What a fucking hypocrite.
Here's the reference:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/ca508b5f83b3e90a
WMD
This post is so wrong on so many levels. First, there are no posts
showing that I am currently commiting this action. (and I'm off work
right now so don't even try that one). OTOH, we have ample evidence
that you are currently commiting this offense. Your only defense was
that we don't know your work hours, and you were on vacation..
It was a national holiday, numb nuts, and yoiu don't have the homesty
to admit your accusation was wrong.
That would require honesty, a trait David lacks.
Since
you post practically 24/7, your defense is useless. You are no longer
on vacation yet still posting throughout the day and night.
Ever hear of swing shift? Amazing, BTW that you seem so focused on
exactly when Wayne is posting, Have charts made showing the time
periods to prove your allegations, Sears?
The times could be found in the headers.
I find it interesting that David is guilty of posting all
hours of the day and night. He harps on Wayne for doing it, while he
does it himself. It's just one of the reasons so many call him a
hypocrite.
Second, it is another example of assuming the facts. Maybe I ran my
own business in 1998. Maybe I had a job house sitting. Actually in
1998, I was in the EMS field, and we did have long stretches of
boredom.
If you were in the EMS as you claimed you would have known what chest
pains are about., and thusly your post about it would have been
irrelevant. The point was the age discrepancy.
Good catch. The medical training and chest pain connection
didn't click with me.
You could not be productive until a call came in. The EMS
director even bought us a TV and VCR so we could watch movies during
long night shifts of no activity. I committed no act of stealing as
internet and tv time was quite approved by management. However, once
a call did come in, you had less than 30 seconds to get your butt in
gear.
OTOH, you are in the IT environment where productivity is expected.
One reason why many corporate environments will not allow salaried
employees to work from home is the exact thing you are doing.
Oh so you have some spyware on his computer documenting this?
Telecommuting didn't take off like some expected, but it does
happen.
I don't know if Wayne has an office at IBM, or if he works
from home. It doesn't matter.
If he does work from home, IBM is only going to care that his
work is done on time and correctly. If he waits until five minutes
before its due to get started, and can finish it properly, they aren't
going to care.
If he works at an office, they probably have some rules about
on-line activity. That Wayne is still working for them is a strong
indicator that he's not violated any applicable rules.
There
is the fear that employees will simply waste time playing on the
internet instead of doing their job. IBM is paying for your service,
not for you to take time to insult me online.
You take one attempt of yours to nail Wayne when he posted during a
national holiday and you are weaving your mistake into a whole
accusation that Wayne is continuing to " steal company time" when you
have NO PROOF to SHOW it, and worse still your original accusation
fell flat because you forgot it was a national holiday.
Sears should do a tunnel trace of Wayne's posts and see where
they originate. He'll never admit to what he'll find (or found if
he's done so already).
Sears you are your own worst enemy. Man, you are SO PATHETIC I can see
why a 400 pound woman broke up with you.
So can Bo, and I don't think Bo knows David :)
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Kent
No todos los que ven tus obras ven tus virtudes.
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On Jun 21, 3:05 pm, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com wrote:
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
Ready for another blast from your past? Posting as s...@koyote.com, on
July 24, 1998, you wrote the following: "I posted under another email
address because I do not have access to my news server at work. I only
post now at work to fight bouts of boredom."
Damn. What a fucking hypocrite.
Here's the reference:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/ca508b5f83b3e90a
WMD
This post is so wrong on so many levels.
The post concerns your claim that you were involved using another email
address to post to Usenet while you were at work. Are you claiming
that's wrong in some way? Those were the exact words you wrote in the
referenced post. If it's "so wrong on so many levels," then as usual,
you were intentionally lying, or your were mistaken on a simple,
fundamental detail of your life in a manner which made you look
irresponsible and hypocritical.
First, there are no posts
showing that I am currently commiting this action.
Likewise, there are no posts claiming you are currently committing (note
the correct spelling) this action.
As usual, you're missing the point. You're complaining about imagining
me participating in an activity which you admitted, without apology or
repentance, that you've actually done yourself.
That makes you a fucking hypocrite.
(and I'm off work
right now so don't even try that one).
Why not? I was off work from IBM, on a Memorial Day national holiday,
and you claimed I was "stealing time from IBM." I post during hours you
(incorrectly) expect me to be working, and you speculate that I must
therefore be posting while on the clock. You're wrong. So why can't your
own standards be applied to yourself? It's because you are a fucking
hypocrite.
OTOH, we have ample evidence
that you are currently commiting this offense.
Sears, who's this "we" you're imagining? Are you in communication with
the "Triforce" again? You need to see a shrink about that problem.
Your only defense was
that we don't know your work hours, and you were on vacation..
Actually, it was a national holiday, which I spent at home, and I
followed up with three days of vacation, during which I didn't write a
single post. Why isn't that a plausible defense? Ironically, your own
defense below is on the same basis: "The EMS director even bought us a
TV and VCR so we could watch movies during long night shifts of no
activity." I simply assume your actual hours were 8am to 5PM, and note
that you occasionally did post during those times. Why is my assumption
*****, but you consider it as "we have evidence" when you're using
the same *****? It's because you're a fucking hypocrite.
Since
you post practically 24/7, your defense is useless. You are no longer
on vacation yet still posting throughout the day and night.
Since I don't post "practically 24/7," your claim is *****. Take a
look at the timings of my posts over the past week. This one is on
Saturday morning. The previous three were on Thursday afternoon from
shortly before noon through shortly after 3PM. The two posts before that
were Wednesday evening at 10:07PM and 10:21PM. The two posts before that
were MONDAY evening at 6:39PM and 9:10PM. Still think I post
"practically 24/7?" Even if by that you meant I make at least one post
every 24 hours, you're wrong - shown by that extended interval of more
than 24 hours between Monday and Wednesday. You get overexcited quite
often, and you tend to excuse your own exaggeration because your
feelings are hurt.
Second, it is another example of assuming the facts.
Aren't you assuming a whole bunch of facts that turned out not to be
true? Your original concern was that you assumed I was "stealing time
from IBM" on a national holiday, where no U.S. IBM plants were open, and
all U.S. IBM employees had the day off. Currently, you're assuming the
fact that I "post practically 24/7" during a time in which my average
post rate per day is maybe two, and there was at least one stretch of 24
hours in which I made no posts at all. Why is it OK for you to assume
facts, but you get your knickers in a knot when you imagine I'm doing it?
Maybe I ran my
own business in 1998. Maybe I had a job house sitting.
What does all that matter? You explicitly admitted you were posting
while you were working. And as you explicitly admit in your next
sentence, neither of those claims were true.
Actually in
1998, I was in the EMS field, and we did have long stretches of
boredom.
Couldn't you have filled those hours obtaining additional training which
might have helped you save someone's life more effectively? But Nooooo.
You were Boooored. At least if I were to make a mistake based on a lack
of training in my area, nobody dies.
You could not be productive until a call came in.
I just suggested a way in which you could, but relieving your boredom
was more important to you than learning how to do your job more effectively.
The EMS
director even bought us a TV and VCR so we could watch movies during
long night shifts of no activity.
But you were working during the day, 8AM to 5PM, remember? If I can't
make that assumption about you, why do you make the same assumption
about me?
I committed no act of stealing as
internet and tv time was quite approved by management.
In that same time frame, though, you also admitted to committing an act
of unforgivable blasphemy which you have lately claimed was no crime,
either. That's why your judgment in the matter is more than just a bit
impeached - when you pass judgment on your own offenses.
However, once
a call did come in, you had less than 30 seconds to get your butt in
gear.
I did? But you were the "EMS guy," not me. How did I get into the story?
If I was an "EMS guy," and I had to get my butt in gear in less than 30
seconds, I would not be wasting away my time posting to Usenet as much
as you did.
OTOH, you are in the IT environment where productivity is expected.
And rewarded, such as when IBM recently promoted me to senior programmer.
One reason why many corporate environments will not allow salaried
employees to work from home is the exact thing you are doing.
IBM not only allows it, IBM encourages it. There are very good reasons
for doing so. My programming team is in Raleigh, NC, and my customers
are in the USA, China, and United Kingdom, so there's no real reason I
should maintain an office at the local Poughkeepsie plant, since my
department is billed rent on that office space. About 25% of IBM's
employees telecommute at least part time, and a smaller percentage
(including myself) work from home full time. Do you figure IBM
management has overlooked your simplistic stereotype? They're stupid,
but they're not that stupid. If there's a concern over rampant
solitaire-playing and newsgroup-surfing, that suspected person won't be
allowed to work from home. I am.
There
is the fear that employees will simply waste time playing on the
internet instead of doing their job.
Consequently, there's a very objective measurement of whether that's
happening: whether or not the employee actually gets the job done. I've
had top appraisals from IBM over the past several years, and as you are
aware (but avoiding), I was recently promoted to senior programmer. It's
because I get the job done, putting in whatever time necessary, at
whatever time of the day, to deliver the results to customers all over
the world. Those are facts you're not comfortable with, because they
don't support your preferred prejudice and stereotype. Instead, you're
forced to assume I work a particular schedule, yet you cry like a
Texas-sized stuck pig when you claim I'm making similar "assumptions"
about you. Did I mention you're a fucking hypocrite?
IBM is paying for your service,
not for you to take time to insult me online.
IBM has paid me well, because I've gotten the job done extremely well. I
insult you on my own time. :)
You're extremely concerned over whether a few minutes of my time every
so often spent shredding you to tiny little bits might have an adverse
affect on the profitability of IBM, but you're not concerned at all over
the main topic of discussion: your own eternal condemnation for cursing
the Holy Spirit as a child. What was it that Jesus said about beams in
your own eye and motes in your neighbor's eye?
WMD
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21 Jun 2007 05:50:22 PM |
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As I understand it, on Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:22:47 -0700,
"alvinstraight38@hotmail.com" <alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:45 am, Wayne Delia <w...@deliafamily.net> wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec...
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
WMD
Ok, this is getting quite absurd.
It is quite absurd to claim you've lost two years.
Why are you so desperate to bait me
into continuing these discussions? If this is not a clear example of
begging me to return, I don't know what is.
I didn't see anything asking for you to return.
What does my age have
anything to do anything posted on here?
It proves you can't keep your lies straight, but that's to be
expected.
The point is you don't know,
and it has no bearing on the topics at hand. I could be 38 as well.
Alvinstraight38. Doesn't that tell you something as well?
That the random number generator at Hotmail picked 38. That's
all it tells anyone.
I also pointed out to you that other people have posted under my
account. I just happened to be logged in at the time. Likewise, I
have posted under friend's accounts.
Stupid move!
One of your two Triforce buddies might make a post indicating
that you like to kidnap and rape 10 year old girls. While this
hypothetical post could have been made in jest, you would end up in
all sorts of trouble, until the matter was settled.
At any rate, your liar trap is already defeated by your own bogus
claims. You claim that it is impossible for me to be a Christian.
It is, unless Jesus lied.
Therefore, you just blew all your ammo. You can no longer claim that
my actions are not Christ like since I can't be a Christian anyways.
Wayne's been saying you aren't a Christian for a long time.
You can no longer hold me to any standards of perceived Christian
morality. Any attempts to try to convict me of my actions will be a
clear demonstration that you don't even believe your own claims. You
can no longer claim that I am a hypocrite.
So you admit you're beyond salvation? Cool.
Your admission is that you attack me simply because you detest
hypocrites.
Most do.
Since I can not be a hypocrite, please stop these
attacks. Otherwise, cue up the Dennis Leary song!
You can keep on digging up old dead posts out of desperation, but it
proves nothing. My life has changed significantly since then for the
better.
Given how pathetic your life was (how does someone get dumped
by 400 pound woman?), it had nowhere to go but up.
Still, I think you would hit rock bottom then ask for a pick
axe to see how much further you could go.
I have purposely ignored the vast majority of your ridiculous
bloated replies for one simple reason.
You are using new sock puppets and they take a lot of time.
You will always respond
negatively. Every single sentence you write to me has a negative
connotation. Even your "apologies" are negative. Your posts do not
anger me or hurt my feelings,
Yet your replies prove they do.
but I can only handle so much negative
energy.
But the Krishna states all is positive. :-)
I return to my positive life and leave your cesspool.
I seem to recall you making this claim before. Your post
PROVES you lied, again.
Please try to spend your time in efforts that produce positive results
like actually earning your paycheck instead of wasting time on here!
This from the guy who can post all hours of the day and night.
How is that great career? The one where you can stay up to
the wee hours of the morning posting?
And why are you posting at 10:22:47 AM? Shouldn't you be
working? And why does the IP you're using trace to the same
*personal* account (note, it's not a business account folks) as the
one you use when you post in the evenings?
--
Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
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21 Jun 2007 12:45:41 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:45:17 GMT, Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net>
wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
There's a blast from the past. Is he still around? Under a different
alias? I've got so many loonies in the killfile I lose about 3/4 of
the traffic.
Endtimes believers are like a friend I used to know, ho bet on the
horses. Every race he'd tell you exactly why his was going to win, and
afterwards he always had a perfect excuse why it didn't.
I've met stock market punters like that as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec43ca3c22
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
Could have been a typo. I can't type and that sort of thing ain't
going to get picked up by the spell checker.
But those two posts of his tell us a lot about him.
WMD
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21 Jun 2007 06:15:49 PM |
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As I understand it, on Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:45:41 -0400, Christopher
A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:45:17 GMT, Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net>
wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
There's a blast from the past. Is he still around? Under a different
alias? I've got so many loonies in the killfile I lose about 3/4 of
the traffic.
Short answer: Yes.
Slightly longer answer: Yes, and with new sock puppets.
Endtimes believers are like a friend I used to know, ho bet on the
horses. Every race he'd tell you exactly why his was going to win, and
afterwards he always had a perfect excuse why it didn't.
The after is easy. Betting is stupid. :)
I've met stock market punters like that as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec43ca3c22
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
Could have been a typo. I can't type and that sort of thing ain't
going to get picked up by the spell checker.
It takes him about an hour to write then proof read his posts
(his claim). You'd think he'd catch the wrong number in a proof read.
Of course, more telling is that he didn't mention it was
posted in error, but rather tried to claim he may be 38 years old now.
Yes, that means 10 years ago he lied when he claimed to 23 and
21, since he would have been 28.
But those two posts of his tell us a lot about him.
You should come over to alt.fan.bob-larson and see his more
recent posts. Most are pretty boning, run-of-the-mill stuff.
One that's really neat, IMO, is very new. He's admitted that
he's beyond salvation for committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and
as such, not a Christian.
--
Kent
Take too many pictures, laugh too much, and love like you've never
been hurt because every sixty seconds you spend upset is a minute of
happiness you'll never get back
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21 Jun 2007 02:10:21 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:45:17 GMT, Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net>
wrote:
This is probably the first time I've initiated a post about David Sears
out of the blue, which is not in response to any religious claim in
particular which he's made. In reviewing some of his original posts on
alt.atheism ten years ago (specifically, his claims that current events
in 1997 indicated we were in the "end times"), I came across the
following two posts which appear to be contradictory or mistaken.
There's a blast from the past. Is he still around? Under a different
alias? I've got so many loonies in the killfile I lose about 3/4 of
the traffic.
No, actually, he's still mainly using the alvinstraight38 alias, but has
only recently adopted a new sock-puppet account - "snorey" on
alt.fan.bob-larson. He's just as wacky and looney as ever.
Endtimes believers are like a friend I used to know, ho bet on the
horses. Every race he'd tell you exactly why his was going to win, and
afterwards he always had a perfect excuse why it didn't.
Reminds me of a story involving Mickey Rivers, a centerfielder for the
New York Yankees in the late 1970's. He went to the racetrack with Lou
Pinella and Gene Michael, guaranteed he would bet on the winning horse,
and sure enough he did. The way he managed it was to buy a Win ticket
for each horse in the race. He ended up losing about $40, but he could
brag that he did have a winning ticket.
I've met stock market punters like that as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.anxiety-panic/msg/47dbd4ec43ca3c22
In this thread, titled "Chest Pain Terror, can anyone give me some
advice??", David writes this post on Feb. 26, 1997, and begins the post
with the following claim:
"Hi everyone,
I've read some of the posts on chest pains and
found it encouraging to know that Im not alone in this
terrifying condition. I am 23 yr male, and two years
ago, I became afraid that i was having a heart attack."
The health condition and his concern are no laughing matters, but the
point of interest is, he was 23 years old on February 26, 1997.
Later on that year, David wrote the single post in the thread "Shy
Penpal Wanted," on October 4, 1997, which can be found at this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/df682c16381fbb1c
His offer to correspond with other GUYS as shy pen pals was prefaced
with the following claim:
"Hi, I'm a 21 year old male looking for a shy penpal."
Somehow, due to a rift in the space-time continuum, David Sears went
from being 23 years old in February 1997 to being 21 years old in
October 1997. Instead of accusing him of outright lying, I am prepared
to allow for the possibility that he actually was not intelligent enough
to keep track of his own age.
Could have been a typo. I can't type and that sort of thing ain't
going to get picked up by the spell checker.
Too late: he's already posted a rebuttal, and didn't even mention the
possibility of him making a typo. Best I can figure out, he's going with
the "Somebody else hacked into my account" theory.
But those two posts of his tell us a lot about him.
And nothing is available to indicate he's made any improvement.
WMD
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