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User: "rumpelstiltskin"
Date: 30 Sep 2003 01:11:26 AM
Object: Dawkinds - theory of mind as source of belief in gods and in life after death
Hi folks. I see Michelle is still here. I haven't been here for
ages, but was just looking in. A while back, I ran into the
following, from Pinker, in an discussion that included Dawkins
and Pinker:
As for the second question, why do so many people and cultures
end up with similar views of a deity or spiritual theme? -- these
beliefs may come from two mental faculties that may not have
evolved specifically for spiritual belief, but may have evolved for
other things, and as a byproduct give us particular notions of gods
and deities. One of them is what psychologists call a "theory of
mind"; by "theory" they don't mean a scientist's theory but a folk
theory. We all tacitly subscribe to the "theory" that other people
have minds. We don't think of other people as mechanical wind-up
dolls. Even though we can't know what someone else is thinking,
we do our best to make guesses. We look at their eyes, we read
between the lines, we look at their body postures, and we assume
that they have minds, even though we can't see them directly.
Well, it's a short step from imputing an unverifiable entity
called the mind to another body, to imputing a mind that exists
independently of a body. Beliefs in souls, spirits, devils, gods,
and so on, may be the products of a theory of mind or intuitive
psychology that has run amok, and is postulating entities divorced
from their physical home.
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dawkins_pinker/debate_p10.html
This seems to me such a good explanation for why people
believe in gods and in a soul separate from the body, that I'm
embarrassed it didn't occur to me independently. The idea may
have already been beaten to death in this group, but in case it
hasn't, I thought I'd throw it in.
.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Dawkinds - theory of mind as source of belief in gods and in life after death 30 Sep 2003 06:18:45 AM
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:11:26 +0000, rumpelstiltskin wrote:


Hi folks. I see Michelle is still here. I haven't been here for
ages, but was just looking in. A while back, I ran into the following,
from Pinker, in an discussion that included Dawkins and Pinker:

As for the second question, why do so many people and cultures end up
with similar views of a deity or spiritual theme? -- these beliefs may
come from two mental faculties that may not have evolved specifically
for spiritual belief, but may have evolved for other things, and as a
byproduct give us particular notions of gods and deities. One of them
is what psychologists call a "theory of mind"; by "theory" they don't
mean a scientist's theory but a folk theory. We all tacitly subscribe
to the "theory" that other people have minds. We don't think of other
people as mechanical wind-up dolls. Even though we can't know what
someone else is thinking, we do our best to make guesses. We look at
their eyes, we read between the lines, we look at their body postures,
and we assume that they have minds, even though we can't see them
directly. Well, it's a short step from imputing an unverifiable
entity called the mind to another body, to imputing a mind that exists
independently of a body. Beliefs in souls, spirits, devils, gods, and
so on, may be the products of a theory of mind or intuitive psychology
that has run amok, and is postulating entities divorced from their
physical home.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dawkins_pinker/debate_p10.html

This seems to me such a good explanation for why people
believe in gods and in a soul separate from the body, that I'm embarrassed
it didn't occur to me independently. The idea may have already been
beaten to death in this group, but in case it hasn't, I thought I'd throw
it in.

I was recently at a meeting where Pinker gave a talk based on his current
book, _The_Blank_Slate_. He's a very engaging speaker.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.


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