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"J Young" |
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03 Dec 2007 05:49:45 PM |
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Dawkins' publisher faces jail over 'atheist manifesto' |
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
Dawkins' publisher faces jail over 'atheist manifesto'
By Nicholas Birch in Istanbul
Richard Dawkins' best-selling atheist manifesto The God Delusion was at the
centre of a growing row over religious tolerance yesterday after the Turkish
publishers of his book were threatened with legal action by prosecutors who
accuse it of 'insulting believers'.
Erol Karaaslan, the founder of the small publishing house Kuzey
Publications, could face between six months and a year in jail for "inciting
hatred and enmity" if Istanbul prosecutors decide to press charges over the
book, which has sold 6000 copies in Turkey since it was published this
summer.
"A reader complained, saying that he wanted the book banned and the
publishers punished", said Mr Karaaslan after talks with the Istanbul state
prosecutor. Mr Karaaslan, whose company specialises in self-help books and
children's literature, has been given a few days to prepare a written
statement of defence.
This is not the first time Dawkins has come up against the wrath of the
Turkish authorities. Published here in the mid-1990s, his less
confrontational book The Selfish Gene also faced problems, with the Islamist
government then in power trying to get it banned from bookshops. The God
Delusion, the fourth of Dawkins' books to be published in Turkish, sparked
controversy with its damning approach to religion and unashamed avowal of
atheism. While some appreciated his frankness, many questioned the book's
relevance to Turkish readers.
"It aims to explain atheism from the perspective of Christianity", one
amateur reviewer wrote, "and I don't think that's of much use in a Muslim
country, because Muslims are already aware of the contradictions and
oddities of Christianity as it is." Another writing on a popular blogging
website was more direct: "If I were God, I'd give Dawkins a good smacking"
they wrote.
Mr Karaaslan is by no means the first publisher to face investigation in
Turkey, a country that has become notorious over the past two years for a
slew of cases based on laws restricting freedom of expression. Nobel
prize-winning novelist Orhan Pamuk and Armenian-Turkish journalist Hrant
Dink were two of dozens of writers to be charged last year under a
controversial law that makes it a crime to "insult Turkishness." Pamuk was
acquitted. Dink - who was murdered this January by a 17-year
ultra-nationalist - was convicted.
The fact is, analysts say, that for all that it has a secular constitution,
Turkey remains a relatively conservative country. The word atheist has only
recently appeared in Turkish, but "godless" still remains an insult here.
"Only 2% of the people we interviewed said they didn't believe in God", says
Ali Carkoglu, co-author of a 2006 study of religious attitudes.
"Given that we had a 2% margin of error that could mean nobody", he added.
"In any case it takes considerable courage for a Turk to admit to a stranger
that they are atheists."
In this atmosphere, writers like Richard Dawkins will invariably cause a
stir. Polls done last summer showed that only 25% of Turks accepted
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J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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03 Dec 2007 05:55:48 PM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1euqf5.mum.17.1@news.alt.net...
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it
my atheist friends?
Are you stupidly suggesting the U.S.A. can't be better than it is?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Golden Compass" |
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04 Dec 2007 02:55:23 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
The U.S.A. sucks now and will continue to suck until xianism is outlawed
and every xianist is rounded up and gassed. These terrorist scumbags
have murdered millions of innocent people by waging war, stoning,
burning at the stake, and bombing.
People who try to tell other people what to think deserve to die
horrible deaths.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
The U.K. is overrun by violent, psychotic xianists too. It's time to
flush the world of these myth worshiping lunatics.
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| User: "IbeDavid" |
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04 Dec 2007 05:57:02 PM |
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On Dec 4, 2:55 am, Golden Compass <gol...@compass.capitulate> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
The U.S.A. sucks now and will continue to suck until xianism is outlawed
and every xianist is rounded up and gassed. These terrorist scumbags
have murdered millions of innocent people by waging war, stoning,
burning at the stake, and bombing.
People who try to tell other people what to think deserve to die
horrible deaths.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
The U.K. is overrun by violent, psychotic xianists too. It's time to
flush the world of these myth worshiping lunatics.
REPLY: Can you tell us about how Stalin, Musilini, and Hitler get
the notability for the bloodiest century in history, the 20th
century , by putting into practice 'survival of the fittest'
atheistic philosophy so they could feel good about exterminating
millions of 'less than desirable races'?? Please follow this by
telling us about the current Culture athestic philosophies that has
led to 33 STD's among 40,000,000 adult americans, 4000 developing
americans in the womb being ripped to shreds then sucked into a sink
while 'mom' sits by so sexual hedonism can continue to flourish , and
how two men making love with each others feces is a wholesome
permissable pastime which is a good example for impressionable
teenagers . You should thank Christians for holding this out of
control culture together by the seam of its pants .., even if it
means taking liberty against the filth and degradation you support.
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| User: "Dr.Hal0nf1r$" |
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04 Dec 2007 06:36:04 PM |
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IbeDavid wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:55 am, Golden Compass <gol...@compass.capitulate> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all,
does it my atheist friends?
The U.S.A. sucks now and will continue to suck until xianism is
outlawed and every xianist is rounded up and gassed. These
terrorist scumbags have murdered millions of innocent people by
waging war, stoning, burning at the stake, and bombing.
People who try to tell other people what to think deserve to die
horrible deaths.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
The U.K. is overrun by violent, psychotic xianists too. It's time to
flush the world of these myth worshiping lunatics.
REPLY: Can you tell us about how Stalin, Musilini, and Hitler get
the notability for the bloodiest century in history, the 20th
century , by putting into practice 'survival of the fittest'
atheistic philosophy so they could feel good about exterminating
millions of 'less than desirable races'??
Think yourself lucky you're of British origin; they'd have gassed your
family line first if they'd have had a chance.
Stalin, Mussolini, and especially Hitler, all claimed to be Christians;
although Hitler was in fact a Christopagan. I suppose you'll say that they
"weren't real Christians"; which is true to a point, as most Christians
usually use burning alive following weeks of agonising extreme torture as
the preferred method of execution.
Please follow this by
telling us about the current Culture athestic philosophies that has
led to 33 STD's among 40,000,000 adult americans, 4000 developing
americans in the womb being ripped to shreds then sucked into a sink
while 'mom' sits by so sexual hedonism can continue to flourish , and
how two men making love with each others feces is a wholesome
permissable pastime which is a good example for impressionable
teenagers .
What has this to do with Atheism? If your claims have any truth in them then
AmeriKKKan society is all Xian-based.
You should thank Christians for holding this out of
control culture together by the seam of its pants ..,
On the contrary; it is Christians who have mismanaged the entire world after
having forced their false beliefs upon it.
even if it
means taking liberty against the filth and degradation you support.
Even if that were true, it pales into insignificance against the tissue of
lies, malinformation, miseducation, and gross ignorance that you attempt to
propagate.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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04 Dec 2007 06:25:33 PM |
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IbeDavid wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:55 am, Golden Compass <gol...@compass.capitulate> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
The U.S.A. sucks now and will continue to suck until xianism is outlawed
and every xianist is rounded up and gassed. These terrorist scumbags
have murdered millions of innocent people by waging war, stoning,
burning at the stake, and bombing.
People who try to tell other people what to think deserve to die
horrible deaths.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
The U.K. is overrun by violent, psychotic xianists too. It's time to
flush the world of these myth worshiping lunatics.
REPLY: Can you tell us about how Stalin, Musilini, and Hitler get
the notability for the bloodiest century in history, the 20th
century , by putting into practice 'survival of the fittest'
atheistic philosophy so they could feel good about exterminating
millions of 'less than desirable races'?? Please follow this by
telling us about the current Culture athestic philosophies that has
led to 33 STD's among 40,000,000 adult americans, 4000 developing
americans in the womb being ripped to shreds then sucked into a sink
while 'mom' sits by so sexual hedonism can continue to flourish , and
how two men making love with each others feces is a wholesome
permissable pastime which is a good example for impressionable
teenagers . You should thank Christians for holding this out of
control culture together by the seam of its pants .., even if it
means taking liberty against the filth and degradation you support.
Hmmmm, lets see here.
Hitler: Catholic
Musilini: Catholic
Stalin: Russian Orthodox
You were saying?
As to your rather disgusting interest in men loving men, why don't you
go ask a few Catholic priests about how wholesome they are to
impressionable young men.
Oh, and BTW ***** for brains, when was the last time you were pregnant?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Ken" |
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04 Dec 2007 09:21:29 PM |
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On Dec 4, 3:57 pm, IbeDavid <norman...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:55 am, Golden Compass <gol...@compass.capitulate> wrote:
The U.S.A. sucks now and will continue to suck until xianism is outlawed
and every xianist is rounded up and gassed. These terrorist scumbags
have murdered millions of innocent people by waging war, stoning,
burning at the stake, and bombing.
People who try to tell other people what to think deserve to die
horrible deaths.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
The U.K. is overrun by violent, psychotic xianists too. It's time to
flush the world of these myth worshiping lunatics.
REPLY: Can you tell us about how Stalin, Musilini, and Hitler get
the notability for the bloodiest century in history, the 20th
century , by putting into practice 'survival of the fittest'
atheistic philosophy so they could feel good about exterminating
millions of 'less than desirable races'?? Please follow this by
telling us about the current Culture athestic philosophies that has
led to 33 STD's among 40,000,000 adult americans, 4000 developing
americans in the womb being ripped to shreds then sucked into a sink
while 'mom' sits by so sexual hedonism can continue to flourish , and
how two men making love with each others feces is a wholesome
permissable pastime which is a good example for impressionable
teenagers . You should thank Christians for holding this out of
control culture together by the seam of its pants .., even if it
means taking liberty against the filth and degradation you support.- Hide quoted text -
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When did you first notice that you're a complete fuckhead?
Before or after you"encouraged" that underaged spermbank of your's
into an ABORTION?
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| User: "" |
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04 Dec 2007 03:12:46 AM |
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On 4 d=E9c, 00:49, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it m=
y
atheist friends?
Thanks to liberals, open-minded people and the ACLU.
People like you wish more censorship, more repression and more
discrimination.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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03 Dec 2007 07:17:49 PM |
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On Dec 3, 6:49 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
And if you and your ilk had their way, US publishers of books like
that would be thrown in jail.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Dec 2007 07:49:40 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:17:49 -0800, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Dec 3, 6:49 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does
it my atheist friends?
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
And if you and your ilk had their way, US publishers of books like that
would be thrown in jail.
Exactly.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“...The only really respectable Protestants are the
Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, they are also palpable idiots...”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Syd M." |
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04 Dec 2007 01:50:53 AM |
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On Dec 3, 6:49 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3209882.ece
Dawkins' publisher faces jail over 'atheist manifesto'
No, but you and your xtrian taliban are working on it..
PDW
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| User: "Olrik" |
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03 Dec 2007 10:29:49 PM |
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On Dec 3, 6:49 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
Catholics did worse, troll. *Much* worse.
Olrik
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Dec 2007 07:49:22 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0500, J Young wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it
my atheist friends?
We're fine with the US having a secular government. That's why we oppose
people like you.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."
- Homer
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| User: "jemcd 1" |
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03 Dec 2007 07:53:03 PM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0500, "J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com>
wrote:
Suddenly the U.S.A doesn't seem like such a bad place after-all, does it my
atheist friends?
Religion is a bigger and lesser problem outside the US, but the common
problem is still religion.
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