| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Therion Ware" |
| Date: |
12 Feb 2007 12:01:34 AM |
| Object: |
Dawkins writes to the Times about Alister McGrath |
IT says here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/debate/letters/article1368831.ece
Sir, Alister McGrath (Faith, Feb 10) has now published two books with
my name in the title. If I seem “grumpy”, could it be because a
professor of theology is building a career riding on my back? It is
tempting to quote Yeats (“Was there ever dog that praised his fleas?”)
and leave it at that. I will, however, dignify his article with a
brief reply.
McGrath imagines that I would disagree with my hero Sir Peter Medawar
on The Limits of Science. On the contrary. I never tire of emphasising
how much we don’t know. The God Delusion ends in just such a theme.
Where do the laws of physics come from? How did the universe begin?
Scientists are working on these deep problems, honestly and patiently.
Eventually they may be solved. Or they may be insoluble. We don’t
know.
But whereas I and other scientists are humble enough to say we don’t
know, what of theologians like McGrath? He knows. He’s signed up to
the Nicene Creed. The universe was created by a very particular
supernatural intelligence who is actually three in one. Not four, not
two, but three. Christian doctrine is remarkably specific: not only
with cut-and-dried answers to the deep problems of the universe and
life, but about the divinity of Jesus, about sin and redemption,
heaven and hell, prayer and absolute morality. And yet McGrath has the
almighty gall to accuse me of a “glossy”, “quick fix”, naive faith
that science has all the answers.
Other theologies contradict the Christian creed while matching it for
brash overconfidence based on zero evidence. McGrath presumably
rejects the polytheism of the Hindus, Olympians and Vikings. He does
not subscribe to voodoo, or to any of thousands of mutually
contradictory tribal beliefs. Is McGrath an “ideological fanatic”
because he doesn’t believe in Thor’s hammer? Of course not. Why, then,
does he suggest I am exactly that because I see no reason to believe
in the particular God whose existence he, lacking both evidence and
humility, positively asserts?
Richard Dawkins, FRS, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public
Understanding of Science, University of Oxford
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
http://www.city-of-dis.com/p_q.asp?I1=69597&I2=69121
The begining...
.
|
|
| User: "Denis Loubet" |
|
| Title: Re: Dawkins writes to the Times about Alister McGrath |
12 Feb 2007 03:48:39 PM |
|
|
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:luvvs21ibkqfa50m5k0vdeni43o7pd3vum@4ax.com...
IT says here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/debate/letters/article1368831.ece
Sir, Alister McGrath (Faith, Feb 10) has now published two books with
my name in the title. If I seem "grumpy", could it be because a
professor of theology is building a career riding on my back? It is
tempting to quote Yeats ("Was there ever dog that praised his fleas?")
and leave it at that. I will, however, dignify his article with a
brief reply.
McGrath imagines that I would disagree with my hero Sir Peter Medawar
on The Limits of Science. On the contrary. I never tire of emphasising
how much we don't know. The God Delusion ends in just such a theme.
Where do the laws of physics come from? How did the universe begin?
Scientists are working on these deep problems, honestly and patiently.
Eventually they may be solved. Or they may be insoluble. We don't
know.
But whereas I and other scientists are humble enough to say we don't
know, what of theologians like McGrath? He knows. He's signed up to
the Nicene Creed. The universe was created by a very particular
supernatural intelligence who is actually three in one. Not four, not
two, but three. Christian doctrine is remarkably specific: not only
with cut-and-dried answers to the deep problems of the universe and
life, but about the divinity of Jesus, about sin and redemption,
heaven and hell, prayer and absolute morality. And yet McGrath has the
almighty gall to accuse me of a "glossy", "quick fix", naive faith
that science has all the answers.
Other theologies contradict the Christian creed while matching it for
brash overconfidence based on zero evidence. McGrath presumably
rejects the polytheism of the Hindus, Olympians and Vikings. He does
not subscribe to voodoo, or to any of thousands of mutually
contradictory tribal beliefs. Is McGrath an "ideological fanatic"
because he doesn't believe in Thor's hammer? Of course not. Why, then,
does he suggest I am exactly that because I see no reason to believe
in the particular God whose existence he, lacking both evidence and
humility, positively asserts?
OUCH! That's the way to twist the knife Richard! :-)
Wow!
Sucks to be McGrath.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Dawkins writes to the Times about Alister McGrath |
12 Feb 2007 08:14:31 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:01:34 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
IT says here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/debate/letters/article1368831.ece
Sir, Alister McGrath (Faith, Feb 10) has now published two books with
my name in the title. If I seem “grumpy”, could it be because a
professor of theology is building a career riding on my back? It is
tempting to quote Yeats (“Was there ever dog that praised his fleas?”)
and leave it at that. I will, however, dignify his article with a
brief reply.
McGrath imagines that I would disagree with my hero Sir Peter Medawar
on The Limits of Science. On the contrary. I never tire of emphasising
how much we don’t know. The God Delusion ends in just such a theme.
Where do the laws of physics come from? How did the universe begin?
Scientists are working on these deep problems, honestly and patiently.
Eventually they may be solved. Or they may be insoluble. We don’t
know.
But whereas I and other scientists are humble enough to say we don’t
know, what of theologians like McGrath? He knows. He’s signed up to
the Nicene Creed. The universe was created by a very particular
supernatural intelligence who is actually three in one. Not four, not
two, but three. Christian doctrine is remarkably specific: not only
with cut-and-dried answers to the deep problems of the universe and
life, but about the divinity of Jesus, about sin and redemption,
heaven and hell, prayer and absolute morality. And yet McGrath has the
almighty gall to accuse me of a “glossy”, “quick fix”, naive faith
that science has all the answers.
It's a way of thinking that is alien to me - he prefers a certainty in
an unjustified presumption, than being honest about reality.
Other theologies contradict the Christian creed while matching it for
brash overconfidence based on zero evidence. McGrath presumably
rejects the polytheism of the Hindus, Olympians and Vikings. He does
not subscribe to voodoo, or to any of thousands of mutually
contradictory tribal beliefs. Is McGrath an “ideological fanatic”
because he doesn’t believe in Thor’s hammer? Of course not. Why, then,
does he suggest I am exactly that because I see no reason to believe
in the particular God whose existence he, lacking both evidence and
humility, positively asserts?
McGrath is a university professor, even if it is only of theology.
Which means one expects a certain amount of intelligence from him
instead of resorting to personal slanders as ad hominem excuses to
ignore reality.
What is it about Christianity that it makes so many people incapable
of discussing reality?
He gives a perfect example of why thinking people hold his kind of
religious people in such low esteem.
If he had lied about me like that I would not have been as restrained
as Dawkins.
Richard Dawkins, FRS, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public
Understanding of Science, University of Oxford
.
|
|
|
|

|
Related Articles |
|
|