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"J Young" |
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21 Sep 2006 12:13:47 AM |
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Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=27699&pid=1476
by Christa Byker
LAST WEEK Geraldine Ferraro,in all her would-have-been vice presidential
glory, spoke to a crowd of eager University students, staff and community
members. As a speaker for the Center for Politics series on Women in
Politics, Ferraro brought much enthusiasm for womens' equitable involvement
in policy making, business and all other sectors of a man's working world.
During the question and answer session, I asked Ferraro what role she sees
for women in the domestic sphere as they achieve yet greater heights of
equity in the public sphere. She suggested, among other things,
betterdaycare -- saying outright thatdaycare helps society.
Her answer wasn't surprising, but it is worth addressing. Citing examples
and anecdotes of all kinds of parents who care individually about the proper
raising of their children is easy. Many people are conscious of the time
their children spend in daycare and concerned with the quality of thedaycare
facilities their children attend. However, we have failed collectively to
examine and remedy the societal cost of part-time parenting. The horror
stories ofdaycare and the exorbitant cost frequently concern parents. Yet,
the solution isn't betterdaycare; rather, families should practice
self-sacrificial parenting and reduce the time their young children spend
away from the home.
While most of us have a few years to go before we consider even having
children, we must prepare ourselves with the notion that outsourcing the
responsibilities and duties of parenthood to some stranger in adaycare
facility is not the basis for strong family life or societal progress. As
women reach equitable positions in the work force there must be some
compromise or family life in America will continue to break down.
Unfortunately, women are not men. Many women feel guilty when working
outside the home and leaving young children with other adults or alone.
Ferraro herself said that, while a representative in the House, she had high
school aged children and made a commitment with her husband to go to most of
their school functions so that she "wouldn't have this guilt thing." Later
she went on to say, "If I had to make a decision politics or family. I'd
choose family." Other women would likely respond similarly if pressed, but
these statements of fidelity must be met with some amount of skepticism when
one considers that, according to a 2002 National Survey of America's
Families cited by the Beverly LaHaye Institute, "[In] 72.8 percent of
families where both parents worked and had children under age five someone
other than the parents care for the children."
Forty hour-plus weeks indaycare year -- round simply isn't healthy for young
children. Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of the Beverly LaHaye
Institute, reported, "We've known for years that the outcomes are
undesirable when children spend too much time indaycare. Regrettably,
though, the negative findings of the comprehensive studies are buried in the
small print. so that parents feel OK about putting their children in
full-timedaycare." To sacrifice the proper upbringing of a young child for
economic or political gain is utterly foolish. I don't care if I am the only
person on the planet that thinks children are more important than careers. A
serious amount of lip service is paid to the proper raising of children with
atrociously little commitment.
In a book called "There is No Place Like Work" Brian Robertson cites that,
"Daycare workers' tasks are more akin to crowd control than to the formation
of young minds." According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick, stressed
and aggressive. In worst case scenarios children have even been neglected
and died. Some parents do equally woeful jobs of raising their children in
the home, so we must come up with ways to teach parents to treat their
children better. For example, communities could offer parenting classes
which emphasize a standard of self-sacrificial parenting.
The problem with discussing problems such as these is that there are so many
different situations and a solution for one family may be disaster for
another. Furthermore, I mean not to operate on a white, middle class
standard. Every ethnic group from every socioeconomic background must make a
commitment to better raising their children with more parental involvement
and interaction. Many problems with education, behavioral disorders and
other social ills would be greatly alleviated if women -- and men -- would
realize and come to terms with the fact that one can have it all, but one
cannot have it all at the same time.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 01:32:31 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to
agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the
home.
Barefoot and pregnant, yeah, we get it.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 03:21:06 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to
agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the
home.
Barefoot and pregnant, yeah, we get it.
Ha! I don't friggin' think so! Grrrrrrrr! >:{
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 05:12:28 PM |
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An Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:13:47 -0400, J Young hat geschreibt:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
How did you get that message from the article? I think you are projecting
your prejudice on the author.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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21 Sep 2006 01:49:36 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
The only woman's right you accept is the right to do as you demand.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 06:19:50 AM |
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J Young schrieb:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Stop lying, you're not fooling anyone, *****.
but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the ho=
me.
Case closed: it took you one more line to prove what a hypocrite you
are.
BTW, J Young, are you a parent? Do you have a wife/girlfriend? Have you
ever had a relationship with someone?
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=3D27699&pid=3D1476
by Christa Byker
LAST WEEK Geraldine Ferraro,in all her would-have-been vice presidential
glory, spoke to a crowd of eager University students, staff and community
members. As a speaker for the Center for Politics series on Women in
Politics, Ferraro brought much enthusiasm for womens' equitable involveme=
nt
in policy making, business and all other sectors of a man's working world.
During the question and answer session, I asked Ferraro what role she sees
for women in the domestic sphere as they achieve yet greater heights of
equity in the public sphere. She suggested, among other things,
betterdaycare -- saying outright thatdaycare helps society.
Her answer wasn't surprising, but it is worth addressing. Citing examples
and anecdotes of all kinds of parents who care individually about the pro=
per
raising of their children is easy. Many people are conscious of the time
their children spend in daycare and concerned with the quality of thedayc=
are
facilities their children attend. However, we have failed collectively to
examine and remedy the societal cost of part-time parenting. The horror
stories ofdaycare and the exorbitant cost frequently concern parents. Yet,
the solution isn't betterdaycare; rather, families should practice
self-sacrificial parenting and reduce the time their young children spend
away from the home.
While most of us have a few years to go before we consider even having
children, we must prepare ourselves with the notion that outsourcing the
responsibilities and duties of parenthood to some stranger in adaycare
facility is not the basis for strong family life or societal progress. As
women reach equitable positions in the work force there must be some
compromise or family life in America will continue to break down.
Unfortunately, women are not men. Many women feel guilty when working
outside the home and leaving young children with other adults or alone.
Ferraro herself said that, while a representative in the House, she had h=
igh
school aged children and made a commitment with her husband to go to most=
of
their school functions so that she "wouldn't have this guilt thing." Later
she went on to say, "If I had to make a decision politics or family. I'd
choose family." Other women would likely respond similarly if pressed, but
these statements of fidelity must be met with some amount of skepticism w=
hen
one considers that, according to a 2002 National Survey of America's
Families cited by the Beverly LaHaye Institute, "[In] 72.8 percent of
families where both parents worked and had children under age five someone
other than the parents care for the children."
Forty hour-plus weeks indaycare year -- round simply isn't healthy for yo=
ung
children. Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of the Beverly LaHaye
Institute, reported, "We've known for years that the outcomes are
undesirable when children spend too much time indaycare. Regrettably,
though, the negative findings of the comprehensive studies are buried in =
the
small print. so that parents feel OK about putting their children in
full-timedaycare." To sacrifice the proper upbringing of a young child for
economic or political gain is utterly foolish. I don't care if I am the o=
nly
person on the planet that thinks children are more important than careers=
.. A
serious amount of lip service is paid to the proper raising of children w=
ith
atrociously little commitment.
In a book called "There is No Place Like Work" Brian Robertson cites that,
"Daycare workers' tasks are more akin to crowd control than to the format=
ion
of young minds." According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick, stres=
sed
and aggressive. In worst case scenarios children have even been neglected
and died. Some parents do equally woeful jobs of raising their children in
the home, so we must come up with ways to teach parents to treat their
children better. For example, communities could offer parenting classes
which emphasize a standard of self-sacrificial parenting.
The problem with discussing problems such as these is that there are so m=
any
different situations and a solution for one family may be disaster for
another. Furthermore, I mean not to operate on a white, middle class
standard. Every ethnic group from every socioeconomic background must mak=
e a
commitment to better raising their children with more parental involvement
and interaction. Many problems with education, behavioral disorders and
other social ills would be greatly alleviated if women -- and men -- would
realize and come to terms with the fact that one can have it all, but one
cannot have it all at the same time.
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 10:24:32 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158837590.908596.247040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
J Young schrieb:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Stop lying, you're not fooling anyone, *****.
but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the
home.
Case closed: it took you one more line to prove what a hypocrite you
are.
BTW, J Young, are you a parent? Do you have a wife/girlfriend? Have you
ever had a relationship with someone?
Why is he a hypocrite?
Do you support women's rights without responsibility?
In Brisbane recently, a 10 year old burned the house down while the mother
was at work.
On Tv a few days ago: People in Sydney and Melbourne are frightened to go to
a shopping centre in the afternoon as they are taken over by teenage gangs
after school. Kids who only got an empty house to go to, prefer to hang out
in gangs as a substitute for the Family.
Some women have to work but many put the plasma Tv before the best interest
of children and call it women's rights.
The UN declaration on the rights of a child states that a child has the
right to be loved by and cared for by the Mother. Governments are obliged to
financially support the mother if this is neccessary.
However, with the welfare to work program in the USA and Australia children
no longer have this right and women no longer have the right to stay at home
to care for her children.
In ten years time when they have all become criminals and drug addicts you
can tell me again about women's rights.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=27699&pid=1476
by Christa Byker
LAST WEEK Geraldine Ferraro,in all her would-have-been vice presidential
glory, spoke to a crowd of eager University students, staff and community
members. As a speaker for the Center for Politics series on Women in
Politics, Ferraro brought much enthusiasm for womens' equitable
involvement
in policy making, business and all other sectors of a man's working world.
During the question and answer session, I asked Ferraro what role she sees
for women in the domestic sphere as they achieve yet greater heights of
equity in the public sphere. She suggested, among other things,
betterdaycare -- saying outright thatdaycare helps society.
Her answer wasn't surprising, but it is worth addressing. Citing examples
and anecdotes of all kinds of parents who care individually about the
proper
raising of their children is easy. Many people are conscious of the time
their children spend in daycare and concerned with the quality of
thedaycare
facilities their children attend. However, we have failed collectively to
examine and remedy the societal cost of part-time parenting. The horror
stories ofdaycare and the exorbitant cost frequently concern parents. Yet,
the solution isn't betterdaycare; rather, families should practice
self-sacrificial parenting and reduce the time their young children spend
away from the home.
While most of us have a few years to go before we consider even having
children, we must prepare ourselves with the notion that outsourcing the
responsibilities and duties of parenthood to some stranger in adaycare
facility is not the basis for strong family life or societal progress. As
women reach equitable positions in the work force there must be some
compromise or family life in America will continue to break down.
Unfortunately, women are not men. Many women feel guilty when working
outside the home and leaving young children with other adults or alone.
Ferraro herself said that, while a representative in the House, she had
high
school aged children and made a commitment with her husband to go to most
of
their school functions so that she "wouldn't have this guilt thing." Later
she went on to say, "If I had to make a decision politics or family. I'd
choose family." Other women would likely respond similarly if pressed, but
these statements of fidelity must be met with some amount of skepticism
when
one considers that, according to a 2002 National Survey of America's
Families cited by the Beverly LaHaye Institute, "[In] 72.8 percent of
families where both parents worked and had children under age five someone
other than the parents care for the children."
Forty hour-plus weeks indaycare year -- round simply isn't healthy for
young
children. Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of the Beverly LaHaye
Institute, reported, "We've known for years that the outcomes are
undesirable when children spend too much time indaycare. Regrettably,
though, the negative findings of the comprehensive studies are buried in
the
small print. so that parents feel OK about putting their children in
full-timedaycare." To sacrifice the proper upbringing of a young child for
economic or political gain is utterly foolish. I don't care if I am the
only
person on the planet that thinks children are more important than careers.
A
serious amount of lip service is paid to the proper raising of children
with
atrociously little commitment.
In a book called "There is No Place Like Work" Brian Robertson cites that,
"Daycare workers' tasks are more akin to crowd control than to the
formation
of young minds." According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
stressed
and aggressive. In worst case scenarios children have even been neglected
and died. Some parents do equally woeful jobs of raising their children in
the home, so we must come up with ways to teach parents to treat their
children better. For example, communities could offer parenting classes
which emphasize a standard of self-sacrificial parenting.
The problem with discussing problems such as these is that there are so
many
different situations and a solution for one family may be disaster for
another. Furthermore, I mean not to operate on a white, middle class
standard. Every ethnic group from every socioeconomic background must make
a
commitment to better raising their children with more parental involvement
and interaction. Many problems with education, behavioral disorders and
other social ills would be greatly alleviated if women -- and men -- would
realize and come to terms with the fact that one can have it all, but one
cannot have it all at the same time.
--
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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21 Sep 2006 08:58:16 AM |
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Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Stop lying, you're not fooling anyone, *****.
but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
Case closed: it took you one more line to prove what a hypocrite you
are.
BTW, J Young, are you a parent? Do you have a wife/girlfriend? Have you
ever had a relationship with someone?
J Young is a known erotophobe, so the answer is no.
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| User: "LC" |
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21 Sep 2006 09:15:45 AM |
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"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote in message
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Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Stop lying, you're not fooling anyone, *****.
but I have to agree with the author; a child needs it's mother. A
mother's place is in the home.
Case closed: it took you one more line to prove what a hypocrite you
are.
BTW, J Young, are you a parent? Do you have a wife/girlfriend? Have you
ever had a relationship with someone?
J Young is a known erotophobe, so the answer is no.
Here's "J Young' posting on his prurient interests:
"I ain't a Jesus freak... I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.134 <AOL>
"anal stimulation with a ***** helps enhance the spanking experience."
From: (Jon Young),
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.spanking
Subject: best done with help
Date: 5 Oct 2003 18:00:43 -0700
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310051700.31b4eb95@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163 <AOL>
"Instead of funding wars overseas; why not fund us people who want to
spread a little love.NAMBLA is all about togetherness and comforting
our young people with guidance from an older generation Please help
us. I know the folks in these NG's can identify with our plight. We
are just very misunderstood; we get bad press, but we stand for love"
~ "J Young", posting via a proven sockpuppet.
Newsgroups:
alt.support.boy-lovers,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Federal funds for NAMBLA
Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:44:11 -0800
Message-ID: <5a858a1e.0403100944.676efbd7@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.202 <AOL>
LC~ And let's not even mention his repeated beastiality posts...
"you got your ***** handed to you in spades. Are you addicted to
failure?...IBen/JYoung would ***** up a wet dream."
From:
Message-ID: <1147387396.596917.220380@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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21 Sep 2006 06:05:58 PM |
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Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Stop lying, you're not fooling anyone, *****.
but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
Case closed: it took you one more line to prove what a hypocrite you
are.
BTW, J Young, are you a parent? Do you have a wife/girlfriend? Have you
ever had a relationship with someone?
Well, you can be pretty sure he's been in his mother's *****. Didn't
you know his god designed us to fall in love with our parents:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4261489.stm
Budikka
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| User: "Suzana" |
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21 Sep 2006 10:55:12 AM |
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J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights
Lol.........What a load of c....
Suzana
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21 Sep 2006 05:57:20 PM |
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J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
I won't hold my breath.
Out of curiosity, what does your message have to do with abortion? Are
you saying if a woman cannot stay home with the child she should abort
it?
While you pnder the impossible situations you've proven yourself so
expert at putting yourself into, let's ask ourselves what *your god*
has done to help raise our children, shall we?
Well, that's answered very easily: the cube root of diddly squat.
Look at the animal world. We see among a very large number of other
mammals the ability of the young to be very much their own master
almost from birth. For those which cannot hit the ground running, we
see in them the ability to keep still so they're disguised for extended
periods, or we see the inbuilt smarts not to do too many dumb things at
least.
Apart from that. most of them are born with a substantial number of
the mental tools they need to get by. For example, they tend not to
ingest poisons or to stray too far from Mom. Even the most retarded
developers among them are functional long before humans are.
But what of the pinnacle of this intelligent designer's creation? What
of humans?
Well apart from knowing how to breathe, we're totally helpless from the
get-go. Indeed, we're helpless to some extent or another for many
years. To begin with, we can't even speak to tell mommy if we're
hungry or where and how we're hurting. And we have no hope of
defending ourselves from adults who would hurt and abuse us. What kind
of a loving god would deliberately put children in such a helpless and
dangerous position?
Is this the best a divine designer could do? Let's discuss it shall
we?
Or you can run away as fast as your heels can carry you like you do
*every single time I challenge you*, and surface again elsewhere to
post another bigotted and/or hateful and/or stupid diatribe. After
all, it's the Christian thing to do in alt.atheism, isn't it?
Budikka
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| User: "Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!!" |
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21 Sep 2006 06:05:07 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study
of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
stressed
and aggressive.
My wife, for example, would never put a child in a daycare centre based
on that study.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Sep 2006 05:45:02 AM |
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"Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!!" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:1158879907.049398.55040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Budikka666 wrote:
J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to
agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the
home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study
of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
stressed
and aggressive.
My wife, for example, would never put a child in a daycare centre based
on that study.
Who gives a flying ***** what you and your retarded wife would do. There are
also studies that show that kids that go to daycare are more advanced and
more socially-adjusted than children that stay home with their mothers. Not
to mention they get their immunities built up. I have a nephew that spent
the first four years of his life home with his dad. Besides the fact that
he's socially retarded, he spent his first year of school constantly sick
after being exposed to other kids.
My kid's been in daycare since she was 4 months old and is doing fantastic.
YMMV.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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21 Sep 2006 11:31:46 PM |
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Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!! <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study
of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
That's because they associate with other children. Disease is often
contagious.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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21 Sep 2006 06:26:08 PM |
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Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!! wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study
of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
stressed
and aggressive.
My wife, for example, would never put a child in a daycare centre based
on that study.
People need to put children in day care based on the quality of the day
care, not on some study.
Your comment would carry more weight if you actually referenced the
study properly and preferably gave a URL to it or to discussions or
reports of it.
As it is, Pubmed lists no relevant study when I searched Am J Public
Health with keyword "daycare", so absent further information, your
"reference" remains dubious at best.
Budikka
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| User: "Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!!" |
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| Title: Re: J Young no substitute for a Smart Person |
21 Sep 2006 06:36:50 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Chris Assaf is going to be a father soon!!! wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
I'd be thrilled to debate that with you, formally, right here in this
thread. All you need are two things:
1. Material to support your claims
and
2. The guts to finally face me in a formal debate.
According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study
of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick,
stressed
and aggressive.
My wife, for example, would never put a child in a daycare centre based
on that study.
People need to put children in day care based on the quality of the day
care, not on some study.
Your comment would carry more weight if you actually referenced the
study properly and preferably gave a URL to it or to discussions or
reports of it.
As it is, Pubmed lists no relevant study when I searched Am J Public
Health with keyword "daycare", so absent further information, your
"reference" remains dubious at best.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1349981
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 08:16:29 PM |
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J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
Look at hominid evolution. The nuclear family home is a new invention.
DNA shows that Native Europeans evolved in villages of 300, Africans in
tribes of 75, other races somewhere in that range.
But whatever, genetic diversity was critical, so the elders and witches
raised the kids of the incompetent mothers cause the kids mite have some
resistance to cholera, dysentery, malaria, plague, or whatever.
There are still lotsa incompetent moms around, and keeping them at home
alone with their kids is a *BAD* idea. They need supervision. If you
have any suggestion on how to keep the stupid bitches from breeding, you
would do all of us a favor.
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| User: "" |
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21 Sep 2006 03:09:28 AM |
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J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
Tell ya what. If it ever again becomes possible to live on a single
income without being homeless, I'll get back to ya..
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "wcb" |
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21 Sep 2006 04:01:52 PM |
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J Young wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to
agree with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in
the home.
Depends on the parent.
--
You are a fluke of the Universe
You have no right to be here,
and whether you can hear it or not,
the Universe is laughing behind your back.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 09:25:50 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:13:47 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
Too bad you losers like you don't get to breed.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=27699&pid=1476
by Christa Byker
LAST WEEK Geraldine Ferraro,in all her would-have-been vice presidential
glory, spoke to a crowd of eager University students, staff and community
members. As a speaker for the Center for Politics series on Women in
Politics, Ferraro brought much enthusiasm for womens' equitable involvement
in policy making, business and all other sectors of a man's working world.
During the question and answer session, I asked Ferraro what role she sees
for women in the domestic sphere as they achieve yet greater heights of
equity in the public sphere. She suggested, among other things,
betterdaycare -- saying outright thatdaycare helps society.
Her answer wasn't surprising, but it is worth addressing. Citing examples
and anecdotes of all kinds of parents who care individually about the proper
raising of their children is easy. Many people are conscious of the time
their children spend in daycare and concerned with the quality of thedaycare
facilities their children attend. However, we have failed collectively to
examine and remedy the societal cost of part-time parenting. The horror
stories ofdaycare and the exorbitant cost frequently concern parents. Yet,
the solution isn't betterdaycare; rather, families should practice
self-sacrificial parenting and reduce the time their young children spend
away from the home.
While most of us have a few years to go before we consider even having
children, we must prepare ourselves with the notion that outsourcing the
responsibilities and duties of parenthood to some stranger in adaycare
facility is not the basis for strong family life or societal progress. As
women reach equitable positions in the work force there must be some
compromise or family life in America will continue to break down.
Unfortunately, women are not men. Many women feel guilty when working
outside the home and leaving young children with other adults or alone.
Ferraro herself said that, while a representative in the House, she had high
school aged children and made a commitment with her husband to go to most of
their school functions so that she "wouldn't have this guilt thing." Later
she went on to say, "If I had to make a decision politics or family. I'd
choose family." Other women would likely respond similarly if pressed, but
these statements of fidelity must be met with some amount of skepticism when
one considers that, according to a 2002 National Survey of America's
Families cited by the Beverly LaHaye Institute, "[In] 72.8 percent of
families where both parents worked and had children under age five someone
other than the parents care for the children."
Forty hour-plus weeks indaycare year -- round simply isn't healthy for young
children. Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of the Beverly LaHaye
Institute, reported, "We've known for years that the outcomes are
undesirable when children spend too much time indaycare. Regrettably,
though, the negative findings of the comprehensive studies are buried in the
small print. so that parents feel OK about putting their children in
full-timedaycare." To sacrifice the proper upbringing of a young child for
economic or political gain is utterly foolish. I don't care if I am the only
person on the planet that thinks children are more important than careers. A
serious amount of lip service is paid to the proper raising of children with
atrociously little commitment.
In a book called "There is No Place Like Work" Brian Robertson cites that,
"Daycare workers' tasks are more akin to crowd control than to the formation
of young minds." According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick, stressed
and aggressive. In worst case scenarios children have even been neglected
and died. Some parents do equally woeful jobs of raising their children in
the home, so we must come up with ways to teach parents to treat their
children better. For example, communities could offer parenting classes
which emphasize a standard of self-sacrificial parenting.
The problem with discussing problems such as these is that there are so many
different situations and a solution for one family may be disaster for
another. Furthermore, I mean not to operate on a white, middle class
standard. Every ethnic group from every socioeconomic background must make a
commitment to better raising their children with more parental involvement
and interaction. Many problems with education, behavioral disorders and
other social ills would be greatly alleviated if women -- and men -- would
realize and come to terms with the fact that one can have it all, but one
cannot have it all at the same time.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2683 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 10:48:47 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:13:47 -0400, in alt.atheism , "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> in
<y9-dnYSN_uFygo_YnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but I have to agree
with the author; a child needs it's mother. A mother's place is in the home.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=27699&pid=1476
by Christa Byker
LAST WEEK Geraldine Ferraro,in all her would-have-been vice presidential
glory, spoke to a crowd of eager University students, staff and community
members. As a speaker for the Center for Politics series on Women in
Politics, Ferraro brought much enthusiasm for womens' equitable involvement
in policy making, business and all other sectors of a man's working world.
During the question and answer session, I asked Ferraro what role she sees
for women in the domestic sphere as they achieve yet greater heights of
equity in the public sphere. She suggested, among other things,
betterdaycare -- saying outright thatdaycare helps society.
Her answer wasn't surprising, but it is worth addressing. Citing examples
and anecdotes of all kinds of parents who care individually about the proper
raising of their children is easy. Many people are conscious of the time
their children spend in daycare and concerned with the quality of thedaycare
facilities their children attend. However, we have failed collectively to
examine and remedy the societal cost of part-time parenting. The horror
stories ofdaycare and the exorbitant cost frequently concern parents. Yet,
the solution isn't betterdaycare; rather, families should practice
self-sacrificial parenting and reduce the time their young children spend
away from the home.
While most of us have a few years to go before we consider even having
children,
Ah, yes, those without children and without jobs are most capable to
tell others how to live their lives.
we must prepare ourselves with the notion that outsourcing the
responsibilities and duties of parenthood to some stranger in adaycare
facility is not the basis for strong family life or societal progress. As
women reach equitable positions in the work force there must be some
compromise or family life in America will continue to break down.
Unfortunately, women are not men. Many women feel guilty when working
outside the home and leaving young children with other adults or alone.
Wow, then those can make different decisions if they want to.
Ferraro herself said that, while a representative in the House, she had high
school aged children and made a commitment with her husband to go to most of
their school functions so that she "wouldn't have this guilt thing." Later
she went on to say, "If I had to make a decision politics or family. I'd
choose family." Other women would likely respond similarly if pressed, but
these statements of fidelity must be met with some amount of skepticism when
one considers that, according to a 2002 National Survey of America's
Families cited by the Beverly LaHaye Institute, "[In] 72.8 percent of
families where both parents worked and had children under age five someone
other than the parents care for the children."
Forty hour-plus weeks indaycare year -- round simply isn't healthy for young
children. Dr. Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of the Beverly LaHaye
Institute,
A Christian ministry.
reported, "We've known for years that the outcomes are
undesirable when children spend too much time indaycare. Regrettably,
though, the negative findings of the comprehensive studies are buried in the
small print. so that parents feel OK about putting their children in
full-timedaycare." To sacrifice the proper upbringing of a young child for
economic or political gain is utterly foolish. I don't care if I am the only
person on the planet that thinks children are more important than careers. A
serious amount of lip service is paid to the proper raising of children with
atrociously little commitment.
In a book called "There is No Place Like Work" Brian Robertson cites that,
"Daycare workers' tasks are more akin to crowd control than to the formation
of young minds." According to a study conducted by the American Journal of
Public Healthy titled, "Illness associated with childdaycare: a study of
incidence and cost," children indaycare are more likely to be sick, stressed
and aggressive. In worst case scenarios children have even been neglected
and died. Some parents do equally woeful jobs of raising their children in
the home, so we must come up with ways to teach parents to treat their
children better. For example, communities could offer parenting classes
which emphasize a standard of self-sacrificial parenting.
The problem with discussing problems such as these is that there are so many
different situations and a solution for one family may be disaster for
another. Furthermore, I mean not to operate on a white, middle class
standard. Every ethnic group from every socioeconomic background must make a
commitment to better raising their children with more parental involvement
and interaction. Many problems with education, behavioral disorders and
other social ills would be greatly alleviated if women -- and men -- would
realize and come to terms with the fact that one can have it all, but one
cannot have it all at the same time.
And so what? Take away day care?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Daycare: no substitute for parenting |
21 Sep 2006 08:59:26 AM |
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TaliBaptist loon "J Young" <> wrote in message
news:y9-dnYSN_uFygo_YnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
I have always been a strong supporter of women's rights but <I'm known as
a pathological liar>
Fixed it for you, "J".
Here's some examples of your "support":
"I didn't mean all women were sluts, just the ones who dismiss abstinence"
From: "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1103695184.184146.108650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
"This woman had alot of audacity interjecting her typically airheaded,female
opinions into matters that
were never her business to begin with.Thank God that when George W.
needs female input,he at least seeks a woman with some common sense;a
very rare commodity indeed."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404130836.f6fa868@posting.google.com>
"My experience with most women is that they cannot drive...if any other mode
of transport is possible
ladies, use it."
From: "J Young" <>
Message-ID: <X5Wdnfc3hb4GPJHZRVn-qw@giganews.com>
"women are an absolute terror on the road and should be
banned from driving in metropolitan areas...(they) should be confined to
driving in rural and suburban areas."
From: (J Young)
Message-ID: <9c2d0f9a.0409192026.24f0cc96@posting.google.com>
LC~ "J Young": confinined by his stupidity.
"JYoung/IBen is a loudmouth chickenshit who soils his britches at the sight
of his own shadow."
From:
Message-ID: <1155522832.755303.245960@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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